Lebron James.................

[Built4Life]

Go look at the replay from various angles so that you can see how much space he had. He was NOT close to the baseline. And there is no argument about having enough time. He had 4 seconds. That is an eternity from just outside of the 3 point line.

He was very close. Kobe was further to his right than he was. When he got the ball there were three defenders shadowing him with Kobe being the main defender. The didn't call a timeout so there was no chance for him to gather himself. Even if he got by Kobe he would have been so close to the baseline that he would have had to hoist a fade away three pointer.

I can see what you are saying, but he would have been doubled teamed if he kept going.

Like i said, it was an exhibition game and the players don't have any defined roles so it is hard to make decisions and space correctly during a botched play. If the coach drew up that play and he didn't execute then you could say something.

 

[Built4Life]

To be honest if this were a real game, the coach would have called time out as soon as soon as he saw the poor spacing.. that is if they had any left.(No Fab 5)

You have cats acting like it was a real game. There were probably three plays called in that game. It is just a glorified pickup game and they decide to play defense the last few minutes of the game but they aren't really playing defense. Dudes aren't even trying to play on the offensive end.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

You cant post someone five feet from the three point line and expect a high% shot. As far as trying to run by Kobe and Durant, well your head and sholder, and by doing so, it would neglect any possible passing, and as soon as LeBron makes the move, Westbrook would have stepped up an lend assistance....
Look at this picture again, thats texbook defense... Kobe is giving James the right (away from James players) while Durant is sealing the edge, forcing more to the right... Any ball player knows you can not put a a decant shot that far away so shooting on the move to your right is not an option... Also look at Westbrook, and how he is ready to help out If LeBron were to try to drive right..
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So doing something like this wasn't an option? (but going right instead of left)



By making a strong move to the right like that it leaves Melo wide open.

 

[Built4Life]

So doing something like this wasn't an option?

So you are comparing a play the entire team was running to a botched play with a bunch of players who don't play together. Also, they came out of a timeout. Oh brother!

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

So you are comparing a play the entire team was running to a botched play with a bunch of players who don't play together. Also, they came out of a timeout. Oh brother!

I'm not talking about the situation. I'm talking about the move Dirk made. Wasn't driving to his right similar to what Dirk did instead of the pass he made an option? And the set up was similar to the inbounds pass out of a timeout with 4 seconds left.

 

[Spectrum]

He was very close. Kobe was further to his right than he was.

Go look at the video from page 3. Lebron had 20-22 feet to his right...he was almost in the center of the court...

Listen, I have been one of the main supporters of Lebron on this board....but dude has to shake this off man. Passing in THAT situation is just inexcusable.

Dude hit like 5 straight shots leading up until that point and 4 threes in the 4th. Unless he gets a hard double or someone is clearly in a better position to score and he can get the ball to them, he has to look to create a shot for himself man... almost like he doesnt have to worry about missing the shot because he just wont take it...

 

[Built4Life]

Go look at the video from page 3. Lebron had 20-22 feet to his right...he was almost in the center of the court...

Listen, I have been one of the main supporters of Lebron on this board....but dude has to shake this off man. Passing in THAT situation is just inexcusable.

Dude hit like 5 straight shots leading up until that point and 4 threes in the 4th. Unless he gets a hard double or someone is clearly in a better position to score and he can get the ball to them, he has to look to create a shot for himself man... almost like he doesnt have to worry about missing the shot because he just wont take it...

He got the ball on the left side of the court. Everyone for the East was on the the left side of the court at that time with Howard being the closest to the middle.

I think he could have gotten to Howard because No one was clearly guarding him, but as I said before... it is an exhibition game. You can't critique it the same as a game that means something within the team concept.

 

[Built4Life]

I'm not talking about the situation. I'm talking about the move Dirk made. Wasn't driving to his right similar to what Dirk did instead of the pass he made an option? And the set up was similar to the inbounds pass out of a timeout with 4 seconds left.

The move and the situation go hand in hand. It was an out of bounds play. The play was drawn up to free him up. You cna't have one or the other. They are all related. if Dirk got the ball in that situation, he most likely would have been stuck too.

 

[Spectrum]

it is an exhibition game. You can't critique it the same as a game that means something within the team concept.

You can though as it is an exhibition game you think he would have been more inclined to take that shot as the stakes are so much lower. Despite this being his best year statistically, he has had a few late game flamouts this year where he just seems to tense up with the game on the line. I think he has heard so many people saying that he isnt clutch that he is starting to believe it.

 

[Built4Life]

You can though as it is an exhibition game you think he would have been more inclined to take that shot as the stakes are so much lower. Despite this being his best year statistically, he has had a few late game flamouts this year where he just seems to tense up with the game on the line. I think he has heard so many people saying that he isnt clutch that he is starting to believe it.

Let things play out. Here is the problem. He had that meltdown in Boston and Mavericks. he carried the Heat last year in the playoffs until the Finals. So based on his past performance you can give him an incomplete.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Jordan bitching out and passing the ball to white boys to win titles was inexcusable. He needed to hit every game winning shot!

 

[TheKingofVa]

Lebron is horrible in the clutch, he doesn't finish games. He is the classic front runner, best player in the NBA when the game isn't on the line.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Lebron is horrible in the clutch, he doesn't finish games. He is the classic front runner, best player in the NBA when the game isn't on the line.

He will end up with more rings than Jordan. And he wont have to sell his soul to do it, unlike Mike.

 

[BLACKLOOP]

He will end up with more rings than Jordan. And he wont have to sell his soul to do i, unlike Mike.

Dude ain't even got one yet..this is reaching a lil bit..nd am a lebron fan

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[KingTaharqa]

At age 27 neither did Mike.

 

[Spectrum]

Jordan bitching out and passing the ball to white boys to win titles was inexcusable. He needed to hit every game winning shot!

Come on man... dont go with the logical fallacies. No one is questioning him passing the ball. Sometimes that IS the correct decision to make. When jordan got double-teamed the best decision was to pass to his wide open teammates who were two of the best pure shooters in league history.

You cant compare that to Lebron throwing a horrible cross court pass when he had the lane to himself.

 

[TheKingofVa]

He will end up with more rings than Jordan. And he wont have to sell his soul to do it, unlike Mike.

Man his career is more than half way over and he has 0 rings. No way in the world he will get 6 because his athleticism will fade soon. Players who come straight out of HS see a steep decline around 32 (examples:KG, T Mac, Jermaine O'neal, etc...) So that gives Bron about 3 more peak years and 2 more years before a steep decline. No way he even wins 5 rings in that span. If he wins a ring it would be because he played on a stacked team and Wade closed the games out. So you can't even give him full props for that.

 

[BDR]

Still @ yall niggas acting as if this was a playoff or reg season game..

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Jordan bitching out and passing the ball to white boys to win titles was inexcusable. He needed to hit every game winning shot!

Yeah, but the defense automatically assumes that Jordan would take the game winning shot at the end because he does it so much. That is what left the aformentioned white boys open.

LeBron has just shied away from doing that in the last few years. He had no problem with that in Cleveland until his last year/year and a half there.

 

[BDR]

Man his career is more than half way over and he has 0 rings. No way in the world he will get 6 because his athleticism will fade soon. Players who come straight out of HS see a steep decline around 32 (examples:KG, T Mac, Jermaine O'neal, etc...) So that gives Bron about 3 more peak years and 2 more years before a steep decline. No way he even wins 5 rings in that span. If he wins a ring it would be because he played on a stacked team and Wade closed the games out. So you can't even give him full props for that.

And none of Mike or Kobe's teams were stacked?

 

[TheKingofVa]

At age 27 neither did Mike.

You can't go by age because MJ was a 21 year old rookie and Bron was an 19 year old one. Bron is in his 9th season, in MJ's 9th season he already had 3 rings. Also at 27 MJ did have a ring, they won in 90-91, the first ring of the first 3 peat.

 

[TheKingofVa]

And none of Mike or Kobe's teams were stacked?

None of Kobe or Mikes teams had 3 top 15 players on it. Neither Kobe or Mike left their teams because they couldn't get it done and teamed up with a top 3 player who already had a ring. That would be like if MJ left the Bulls and teamed up with Magic. Or if Kobe left the Lakers and teamed up with Tim Duncan.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Still @ yall niggas acting as if this was a playoff or reg season game..

They have a need to nitpick, to keep Jordan propped up, to keep Kobe propped up. Thing is, this cat basically said fuck tryna be MJ and doing things his way, im my own man, and its rubbed them the wrong way. Dudes want carbon copies of Jordan. Telling these kids to imitate a Grade A asshole/house nigga. He was a Great player but thats it. Ninja dont even got the most rings.Be like Bill Russell LeBron. Get 11 rings fuck 6.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Still @ yall niggas acting as if this was a playoff or reg season game..

Doesn't matter. All competitors hate to lose. Like the announcers said LeBron and Kobe hate to lose and take all games seriously. That's why Lebron was annoyed after the game.

 

[BLACKLOOP]

None of Kobe or Mikes teams had 3 top 15 players on it. Neither Kobe or Mike left their teams because they couldn't get it done and teamed up with a top 3 player who already had a ring. That would be like if MJ left the Bulls and teamed up with Magic. Or if Kobe left the Lakers and teamed up with Tim Duncan.

Ur not serious right... I know ur fucking not serious men....I think ur forgetting kobe bitching for a trade cpl years ago before Gasol came on board...fucking Kobe stans mayne

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[BDR]

None of Kobe or Mikes teams had 3 top 15 players on it. Neither Kobe or Mike left their teams because they couldn't get it done and teamed up with a top 3 player who already had a ring. That would be like if MJ left the Bulls and teamed up with Magic. Or if Kobe left the Lakers and teamed up with Tim Duncan.

So Odom and Gasol are not top 15 top 20 players?

Rodam, Kukoc, Pippen?

You think Miami was a stacked team last yr with wade bron and bosh? did you see the rest of that roster? old ass niggas... Miami went to the finals with 3 dudes

 

[TimRock]

So Odom and Gasol are not top 15 top 20 players?

Rodam, Kukoc, Pippen?

You think Miami was a stacked team last yr with wade bron and bosh? did you see the rest of that roster? old ass niggas... Miami went to the finals with 3 dudes

Odom is not even top 15 on Dallas.

 

[TheKingofVa]

Ur not serious right... I know ur fucking not serious men....I think ur forgetting kobe bitching for a trade cpl years ago before Gasol came on board...fucking Kobe stans mayne

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I am serious, Kobe asked for a trade after he already had 3 rings. That's a moot point, Lebron left to chase his 1st ring

 

[TheKingofVa]

So Odom and Gasol are not top 15 top 20 players?

Rodam, Kukoc, Pippen?

You think Miami was a stacked team last yr with wade bron and bosh? did you see the rest of that roster? old ass niggas... Miami went to the finals with 3 dudes

You consider Kukoc and Rodman a top 15 player? Remember there was a lot of talent in that era. I can list 15 players in that era better than them off the top of my head.

Pleayers better than Kukoc and Rodman in their era (90's)

Jordan
Shaq
Pippen
Drexler
Hakeem
D Rob
Ewing
Malone
Nique
Shawn Kemp
GP
Stockton
Chris Mullin
Tim Hardaway
Penny
Grant Hill
Mutumbo
Barkely
etc..



Gasol was a top 15 player but Odom wasn't. Plus Kobe didn't leave his team to team up with them. Kobe already had 3 rings

 

[FJP]

Durant's assignment at that point was to shadow Jame to prevent him from driving, and as soon as James stops, don't try to contest the shot, Kobe was there for that, but instead to jump to the closest player from the east..
Even if James were able to get the ball to Melo, Durant and his long ass arms would have been there to disrupt the shot...
I chalk this up to very good defense, still think the offense had poor spacing, but it is much easier to see this sitting home watching pictures, as opposed to being on the court and seeing it happen live.

Stop acting like Melo is some Hum Drum role player. He's one of if not the best scorer in the damn league. Not to mention he had a couple seconds, he could have hit Durant with a fake or a quick move. Let's not act like Durant is a great defender. And any shot Melo would have put up was better than passing the ball all the way across the damn court. Lebron is great but he CLEARLY fucked up

 

[KingTaharqa]

Kobe will never play in another NBA Finals. Unless he demands a trade to Miami. All you Kobe stans are about to become OKC and Bulls fans (again! Lol). You dont have the heart or loyalty to remain on a sinking ship like the Lakers. Enjoy watching LeBron and the Heat dominate the next half decade.

 

[Complex]

I didn't understand the Bosh pass

Dude has been hitting shots, and was wide open, and passed to a 4

 

[FJP]

None of Kobe or Mikes teams had 3 top 15 players on it. Neither Kobe or Mike left their teams because they couldn't get it done and teamed up with a top 3 player who already had a ring. That would be like if MJ left the Bulls and teamed up with Magic. Or if Kobe left the Lakers and teamed up with Tim Duncan.

So Kobe didn't beg for a trade? In his SPECIFIC demand he wanted to be dealt to a team that kept its star(s). Cause he didnt want to go to a gutted team......

 

[FJP]

You consider Kukoc and Rodman a top 15 player? Remember there was a lot of talent in that era. I can list 15 players in that era better than them off the top of my head.

Pleayers better than Kukoc and Rodman in their era (90's)

Jordan
Shaq
Pippen
Drexler
Hakeem
D Rob
Ewing
Malone
Nique
Shawn Kemp
GP
Stockton
Chris Mullin
Tim Hardaway
Penny
Grant Hill
Mutumbo
Barkely
etc..



Gasol was a top 15 player but Odom wasn't. Plus Kobe didn't leave his team to team up with them. Kobe already had 3 rings

Yea 3 rings with the most dominate force in league history

 

[MongoSlade23]

Only Lebron could generate this much discussion after a fucking all star game.