this is true, I know for a fact that I wouldn't do it. But feel like I could just walk away, and keep going. So by me leaving would still hurt by not knowing if I was alive or not .....
Know Anyone to Commit (or try) Suicide?
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this is true, I know for a fact that I wouldn't do it. But feel like I could just walk away, and keep going. So by me leaving would still hurt by not knowing if I was alive or not .....
Right. Which is why I can care and not care about someone at the same time.
I know you didn’t mean that statement to be broad, but I’m glad you made it just as a thought piece.
When I look at humans, and the people that are close to me, the only thing that separates the two is love.
Because as you stated, adults humans gets less empathy from me, but I also understand that adults can mentally be paralyzed in time.
Children’s problems will always start with the parents. With or without good intentions. I’m not smart enough to know when my good intentions are actually doing more harm than good, but I see this with humans often.
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I agree
However it could be seen just as bad to hide the cancer from your loved ones and die with them angry and hurt because you didn't feel you could share that with them.
These humans always gotta take the toughest route
Far too many. Suicide is the ultimate in selfish acts. But it underlines one fact: you never really know anybody.
Bro I gotta PM later cause I think I need another session.
A person dying of a terminal illness and worrying about how others feel about it is just an amazing human instinct to me.
When my dad was dying, he still asked me did I need anything in his final days. The crazy thing is, I would have told him no even if it wasn’t true. But I KNOW of people that have exploited those vulnerable moments to get what they wanted.
Man, do NOT get me started on people today.
I have been behaving for the most part. But these type of threads is what diversity and humanities is all about.
So why do humans use their personal life experiences as the truth to what other may be going through?
That’s wild to me as well. I used to do that. I used to judge people based on what I have experienced or equated it as some type of truth.
You’re absolutely right. We don’t really know, but yet we speak in terms like we do know. And we judge people because of it.
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We speak in huge generalities and base EVERYTHING on our own experiences as limited and skewed as they may be.
That's where all this personal truth bullsh*t started
I've always thought it was the total a t of selfishness also. Especially when Tony Dungy's son did it. My mind said this asshole kid has everything and he goes and breaks his father's heart.
But I understand now that I didn't understand everything. I still thing pulling yourself together is a factor in many cases.
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Some, most, of us do. But those who have had a spiritual awakening try very hard not to.
I can only speak from my experience but there may come a time when the pain is so great that suicide seems like a viable option. It's then that I would say people who don't suffer from severe mental problems pull back and say, wtf am I thinking, whereas people who do have those issues follow through. They listen to the voices. I'm fairly sure that anyone who has survived an attempt has said it was to escape pain - emotional, physical, mental.
That's the thing though...
When you at that point?
You are at your weakest most vulnerable most susceptible
So if you believe in the spiritual that's when dark forces go to work
Or got a bad support system? That's when they disappear or prey on you or push you in the wrong way.
Real talk
A member could read this thread and post about suicide thoughts
and all the good brothers like @Gazoo @4 Dimensional @godofwine just happened to all be offline
And some asshole starts going in heavy yelling them to just DO IT.
That moment of vulnerability ?
Exposed to the wrong person?
Could lead to some real negative stuff.
So I don't go to the selfish label because I don't know the person or their respective circle like that.
That comment can't be applied to all. Suicide is usually that indivuals decision to end the suffering they've either casued, are enduring do to medical conditions or mental anguish.
However to family members its looked at as a selfish act. But until you've heard someone cry out for "Jesus to take them because of their pain," you can`t really understand. This lady had a bed sore you could put a fist inside. I couldn't begin to understand that level of pain associated with a wound that size. Not many can, yet we judge. I used to do it myself, not any more.
You'll see it with the elderly where that person's mate has passed they've lost their mate, life is no longer fun for them. Can't eat the foods they like anymore, can't get around like they want to, you're now dependent upon others, it's a lot mentally.
Until you've experienced what that type life, its hard to fairly judge.
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My great grandpa (grandpa's dad on my father's side) took his life back in the 1940s. From what I gather he got ripped off something serious in a business or land deal. Left him nearly bankrupt in an already-struggling poor farming family. He fell into a deep depression and took his own life within a few months leaving behind a wife & 11 kids ( my grandpa was the eldest of them). Grandpa was in his late-teens at the time, but had long been out of school and working to help support the fam'. He had a 3rd grade education. 3 of the siblings are alive to this day, and 3 have passed within the past 5 years. Grandpa passed in 2006. Funny side note ... great grandma was apparently a REALLY tough lady. A hardened widow. Flat-out mean ... but the one person she liked was my dad (amongst all her eventual grandkids), lol. Heard some great stories about her, but never had a chance to meet her. She sounded like a real character.
Well, no, it's selfish because it's, well, I'll just post the definition.
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
Then by that definition we all selfish.
Everything we do effects others
We all gonna claim now all our acts are altruistic?
Even the best intentions can be PERCEIVED as selfish
And thinking of how someone dealing with their own pain in their way upon themselves effects US...
before thinking how it effects THEM?
Ain't that selfish?
that’s what I do now, at work every chance I get I watch the sun rises, sometimes I send my wife the pic, I chill more outside with the pets
Watchin our godson play, seein him try new food, showin him the plants, the many insects
Seein how he jus walks up to random kids, how pure their interactions are,
I’m more chill but seein my mom age so fast is frightenin
I feel that would be my final test in life, it without her
I’ve done enough, they say the same old shit
I jus get high and chill
The movie Drive My Car addresses this. Death is about the surviving people's struggle to move on without you. I'm sorry if it is considered selfish for going to kill myself, but I've been the most selfless person all my life. This is the one time I'm going to prioritize myself. People will move on without me, the world will keep spinning.
Unfortunately you're right about the world and people moving on. For those that love you, it will be very difficult and could take years to return to normal.
Two things. 1) You've got to find a reason to go on. There are reasons. Travel, goals, chicks. For me was partially revenge on my brother in law. He's a horrible person and has to pay. It's a reason.
2) Seek counseling. Hotlines, a minister, professional counselor. If the one you find doesn't work, go to another.
I got a call this morning about a friend of mine that died last night at 12:35AM Friday morning on January 28th! She had a photography business, laundromat, taught Zumba, crotchet and played the guitar. She died of ovarian cancer. Only 33. I had to hear her father crying on the phone at 9:00AM this morning. She would trade places with you.
Don't do it! Please.
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I was just gonna post this too.
Bro... you must have felt the disturbance in the force
Again to all my bgol brothers
reach out
we clown and joke
but if seriously need to talk you KNOW who can reach out to on here.
I know a couple of people that were into racial cannibalism, hurting their own people to benefit themselves take their lives.
I always thought they were murder staged, once people found out. They got the money or political opportunity but it did not bring them happiness plus they realized they were garbage.
I always thought they were murder staged, once people found out. They got the money or political opportunity but it did not bring them happiness plus they realized they were garbage.
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That shit is wild.
Jumped off a building though.
Man, I’ve been in some dark places in my mind before, but nothing even close to jump off the building dark.
nah, none!
if I did, I'd look at them crazy as fuck!
life is already short as we know it!
why shorten it more? Nothing is that bad!
if I did, I'd look at them crazy as fuck!
life is already short as we know it!
why shorten it more? Nothing is that bad!
Understood
So imagine what trauma that person was going through to do THAT?
That is why I am not quick to label people as selfish or cowardly.
don't know if it was posted, but I just
read a black politician in Maryland killed
himself.
read a black politician in Maryland killed
himself.
One of them was an black actor, they did cop propaganda for years, than seeing young black female get shot up in a no knock warrant and the white officer version of events was trusted because that is how they were portrayed in the movies he did.
The guilt overwhelmed and they had a sheet around their neck.
Haven't heard. Please post details.