Naw Son is right...... About one track. Q tip bit the break and the loop for the jazz from Pete rock. Pete Rock discusses it on a you tube video were its him and premiere are discussing there greatest production moments.
Just finished watching the ATCQ Documentary....
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Naw Son is right...... About one track. Q tip bit the break and the loop for the jazz from Pete rock. Pete Rock discusses it on a you tube video were its him and premiere are discussing there greatest production moments.
Dilla did the worst tribe album ever (beats, rhymes, and life)
They met on the MM tour. Tip put Dilla on.
After that he had an influence on everything Tip did from THEN.
WHich basically includes his solo stuff, and production work on other things.
So Tip influenced Dilla way before that.
hope so... the beginning was epic... then it got lazy
He says Pete Rock on the beat at the end of the song.
Bingo
I think they all influenced each other in some way with the production work. A lot of Dilla and Shaheeds beats consists of nice smoothed out compressed bass lines. If you ask me, they pioneered that kind of sound. Listening to all them records, that sound only came about when Dilla was involved.
Great documentary on one of the greatest and most influential groups of all-time.
Back in middle school/high school, Tribe was my favorite rap group hands-down. From the time that I heard "Left My Wallet..." and "Bonita Applebaum," I was a fan. Then when they dropped "Check the Rhime" & "We Got the Jazz" I went crazy!!! Just straight Fie!! Watching this documentary brought back a lot of memories from back in the early-mid nineties.
Low End Theory & Midnight Marauders were the soundtracks of my life at that time. Midnight Marauders is my favorite Tribe album and one of my favorites of all-time. On that album Tribe came full-circle. It felt like a more complete album (On a sidenote: Outkast would later do the same thing on their 3rd release "Aquemini")
I loved Tribe because I could relate to them moreso than the rest of the Native Tongues. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge fan of their click but Tribe were the ones that really stood out to me. Tribe wasn't too weird like De La nor were they extremely Black conscious like the JBs. They were right there in the middle. Not too mention they still had that street cred (without being macho and gangsta) to go along with it.
Honestly, when Tribe called it quits back in 98, I was relieved because after Midnight Marauders, their music went downhill bigtime. I hated the hell out of the Beats & Rhymes album. I still don't like it. I love Dilla but adding him to help produce didnt help at all. The Love Movement was a decent but it seemed forced.
Didn't know Q-Tip produced the first three albums. I thought him & Ali produced those joints even though the credits read "Produced by ATCQ." Man, Q-Tip really is a genius!! He could've easily took all of the credit but he didn't. Like he said in the documentary, "its all about the unit!!"
I really would like to see a documantary on the making of "Low End Theory" & "Midnight Marauders." That would be very interesting. Someone stated that they would like to see a "Native Tongue" documentary. Thats a good idea. After seeing this documentary, next up: a documentary on De La.
The fire in Tip's crib had a lot to do with their downfall... Tip lost A LOT OF BREAKS in that fire... Shit that really couldn't be replaced... after that, it was like he STOPPED making beats... I mean, even now, why haven't we heard Tip produced record?? that is sad if you ask me... The homie even now is stll one of the BEST producers to ever do it... Too bad he stopped producing...
the best thing about this movie was q-tip reminding me that i need this cold ass minnie riperton cut on my ipod ASAP!,,, this song was before my time, but this is some mellow ass player shit right here bro,,, & you can hear the ATCQ "lyrics to go" sample at the 3:09 to 3:18 mark
peace
Mya's Momma
Grew up listening to that song & forgot about that track until I saw it in the flick.
Like I said in the other thread, that was one of the more epic scenes in that flick for me & will probably convert that part alone to an mp3 to rock to it.
The shit gave me chills & got me Open watching that shit.
B Rhymes captured that feeling eloquently, telling Tip about himself & that track.
The guitar riff, echoed scream then the note
The shit is haunting.
Like Dave/Trugoy said,
What the fuck did that man use on CrooklynDodgers?
That dark shit was beyond gangster that laid the backdrop & soundscape helping to describe the grimey 90s.
The sample came to Life through the beat like how Minny (or whomever chopped it up)made it do what it doto make Cheeba shit on it.
TruIndeed & GoodLook, MadWun
I don't fuck with none of them chicks until they bring it like that!
peace
Mya's Momma
Grew up listening to that song & forgot about that track until I saw it in the flick.
Like I said in the other thread, that was one of the more epic scenes in that flick for me & will probably convert that part alone to an mp3 to rock to it.
The shit gave me chills & got me Open watching that shit.
B Rhymes captured that feeling eloquently, telling Tip about himself & that track.
The guitar riff, echoed scream then the note
The shit is haunting.
Like Dave/Trugoy said,
What the fuck did that man use on CrooklynDodgers?
That dark shit was beyond gangster that laid the backdrop & soundscape helping to describe the grimey 90s.
The sample came to Life through the beat like how Minny (or whomever chopped it up)made it do what it doto make Cheeba shit on it.
TruIndeed & GoodLook, MadWun
I don't fuck with none of them chicks until they bring it like that!
peace
after seeing this doc twice I agree with the OP.
Hold your head Q tip, you did nothing wrong beyond the regular shortcomings all of us have.
Phife, I feel, could have and should be taking better care of himself, but addiction is addiction.
I know he wants to eat better, and wishes he could get away with eating the same bullshit most of us do, but he falls short. I feel for the brother. But even with the affliction, he achieved a lot. Says a lot to the type of woman he chose as well, how she holds him down. Glad she was a match. My selfish wish is that he can find a way to take care of himself, and live on for many years so that I can the next generations can see what I grew up with.
Overall, I think they handled it as best they could. They all made mistakes here and there, but they never neglected to add that they love each other dearly.
I think this doc should come out for no other reason that it shows Black men in our real light. Strong, fragile, caring, creative- arrogant at times, but overall good people with many layers and dimensions.
This is why them and groups like them will always be my favorites.
Salute to ATCQ- legends in the game.
Hold your head Q tip, you did nothing wrong beyond the regular shortcomings all of us have.
Phife, I feel, could have and should be taking better care of himself, but addiction is addiction.
I know he wants to eat better, and wishes he could get away with eating the same bullshit most of us do, but he falls short. I feel for the brother. But even with the affliction, he achieved a lot. Says a lot to the type of woman he chose as well, how she holds him down. Glad she was a match. My selfish wish is that he can find a way to take care of himself, and live on for many years so that I can the next generations can see what I grew up with.
Overall, I think they handled it as best they could. They all made mistakes here and there, but they never neglected to add that they love each other dearly.
I think this doc should come out for no other reason that it shows Black men in our real light. Strong, fragile, caring, creative- arrogant at times, but overall good people with many layers and dimensions.
This is why them and groups like them will always be my favorites.
Salute to ATCQ- legends in the game.
The Love Movement was the worst album by far
correction- you're right. Didn't care much for Beats, RHymes, Life either.
I do think when Tip's house burnt it definitely set em back a bit. He started relying on Dilla's beats a bit much, and maybe the mix of them just wasn't as stellar as what they already had.
Dilla did do a good bit of Pharcydes "Labcabincalifornia" at that point as well, and though I didn't like it much back then, it proved to be a gem later to me.
Same with a FEW of the beats he did for Tribe, and maybe he was till finding himself. I dunno, but I hated it.
Beats, Rhymes you can see the division in the group and the quality went down. They still had some gems though.
Actually man, I never was in to Dilla like a lot of other underground heads, because I was always blamed him for Tribe going down.
That's why I can see the De La is better than Tribe argument, because they remained consistent and put out quality music. BR&L was spotty, and the only thing that saved The Love Movement for me was having a good copy of Scenario Remix on the bonus disk...because honestly that's the worst album I've ever heard by rappers I loved. Every two years I'll pull The Love Movement out to see if it really is that bad, and it has me going like a spades game, I'll try to squeeze out...one and a possible.
Actually man, I never was in to Dilla like a lot of other underground heads, because I was always blamed him for Tribe going down.
That's why I can see the De La is better than Tribe argument, because they remained consistent and put out quality music. BR&L was spotty, and the only thing that saved The Love Movement for me was having a good copy of Scenario Remix on the bonus disk...because honestly that's the worst album I've ever heard by rappers I loved. Every two years I'll pull The Love Movement out to see if it really is that bad, and it has me going like a spades game, I'll try to squeeze out...one and a possible.
The fire in Tip's crib had a lot to do with their downfall... Tip lost A LOT OF BREAKS in that fire... Shit that really couldn't be replaced... after that, it was like he STOPPED making beats... I mean, even now, why haven't we heard Tip produced record?? that is sad if you ask me... The homie even now is stll one of the BEST producers to ever do it... Too bad he stopped producing...
I get the impression you have many good stories to tell. Is it Vandamark?
I've been bumping this for years after hunting down the sample for this song.
Track starts at 3:57.
This post is funny because I felt the exact same way. The only difference is, during that time, I held Dilla partially at fault for the downfall of one of my favorite groups, but this track let me know that he would be somebody on his own one day. I had never heard no shit like this before and my mind was blown.
No, I didn't google because I don't have to.
Edit: I googled just for you...
"The Ummah was a music production collective, composed of members Q-Tip and Ali Shaheed Muhammad of A Tribe Called Quest, and the late Jay Dee (now known as J Dilla) of the Detroit-based group Slum Village. Occasional members included Raphael Saadiq, and D'Angelo. In addition to producing nearly the entirety of A Tribe Called Quest's fourth and fifth album, the Ummah provided backing tracks for a notable array of hip hop and contemporary R&B artists, including Busta Rhymes, Whitney Houston, Keith Murray, the Brand New Heavies, Janet Jackson, and Jon B. The group was so named because two of its members (Tip and Ali) are devout Muslims. The word "ummah" is Arabic for "community", "nation", or "brotherhood"."
Leave em alone fam...You are absolutely right tuckdog This is the most elementary shit real questers don't need wiki the ummah
Leave em alone fam...You are absolutely right tuckdog This is the most elementary shit real questers don't need wiki the ummah
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always assumed this is Dilla on the beat and always considered this the best Tribe/Dilla beat. IMHO Of Course.
Always thought this was top tier as well..
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always assumed this is Dilla on the beat and always considered this the best Tribe/Dilla beat. IMHO Of Course.
Always thought this was top tier as well..
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I'm sorry but Beats Rhymes Life was their worst album. I still hate that damn album!!! 
I bought it when it first dropped. It was a special edition copy that had a hologram/moving cover....still have it...that shyt looked cool as hell.
Anyway, I was so excited because their 1st single "1nce Again" was hot plus Tribe hadn't released an album in 3 years. Popped that shyt in the CD player (oh yeah, this was one of my first cds
) and boy was I dissappointed!!! Album was straight garbage.
I think its amazing how De La Soul has stayed together for over 20 years and still put out hot shyt. I swear, someone needs to get crackin' on a De La documentary ASAP! I remember seeing them perform at the Spit Kicker concert back in 2000 and the kids their didn't know any of their music except for "Oooh" feat. Redman because it was on the radio at the time Those dudes are highly under-rated.
I bought it when it first dropped. It was a special edition copy that had a hologram/moving cover....still have it...that shyt looked cool as hell. Anyway, I was so excited because their 1st single "1nce Again" was hot plus Tribe hadn't released an album in 3 years. Popped that shyt in the CD player (oh yeah, this was one of my first cds
) and boy was I dissappointed!!! Album was straight garbage. I think its amazing how De La Soul has stayed together for over 20 years and still put out hot shyt. I swear, someone needs to get crackin' on a De La documentary ASAP! I remember seeing them perform at the Spit Kicker concert back in 2000 and the kids their didn't know any of their music except for "Oooh" feat. Redman because it was on the radio at the time
Those dudes are highly under-rated.
Great documentary... a must see for any Tribe fan.
The fucked up part about all this though,is TCQ still has one album left on their record deal. I wonder what it would sound like in this times if they ever released it. If Phife and Qtip were getting along they could've released it a long time ago, i bet shit like this is what has Qtip pissed off.
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I'm sorry but Beats Rhymes Life was their worst album. I still hate that damn album!!!
Anyway, I was so excited because their 1st single "1nce Again" was hot plus Tribe hadn't released an album in 3 years. Popped that shyt in the CD player (oh yeah, this was one of my first cds
I think its amazing how De La Soul has stayed together for over 20 years and still put out hot shyt. I swear, someone needs to get crackin' on a De La documentary ASAP! I remember seeing them perform at the Spit Kicker concert back in 2000 and the kids their didn't know any of their music except for "Oooh" feat. Redman because it was on the radio at the time
I can't wait for Dela soul's documentary, that shit has to be good
I hope they never record again. It wouldn't be the same.
I can't wait for Dela soul's documentary, that shit has to be good
why
Dave and Pos aren't exactly full of personality
I don't want to see them for an hour and a half
I'm sorry but Beats Rhymes Life was their worst album. I still hate that damn album!!!
Anyway, I was so excited because their 1st single "1nce Again" was hot plus Tribe hadn't released an album in 3 years. Popped that shyt in the CD player (oh yeah, this was one of my first cds
I think its amazing how De La Soul has stayed together for over 20 years and still put out hot shyt. I swear, someone needs to get crackin' on a De La documentary ASAP! I remember seeing them perform at the Spit Kicker concert back in 2000 and the kids their didn't know any of their music except for "Oooh" feat. Redman because it was on the radio at the time
Hogwash
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