Just finished watching the ATCQ Documentary....

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....and the first thought I have is Q-Tip is buggin. The documentary does NOT paint him in a bad light.

The only gripes that Phife had with him is that Tip was a control freak who wanted to control all aspects of the group.

Now, that would seem wrong unless you pay attention to the first 45 minutes of the documentary. In it, Phife and Q-Tip both admit that initially, Phife was hard to get into the studio and was more concerned with hanging out and being reckless. Meanwhile, Q-Tip was busy making ALL of the beats and rhyming on every song for the first album.

Low End Theory comes around and Phife finally gets the idea that maybe he should spend more time in the studio, and goes on to have some of the most memorable verses on that album. While his presence was greater on that album, Tip was still the one crafting the album from finding samples, creating beats, writing his rhymes, and basically putting the album together.

All Phife had to do was write his rhymes and be in shape to perform and what does he do? He continually went on sugar binges, not taking care of himself, knowing that he's a diabetic, which led to him missing important performances.

I'm not going to go into too much detail out of respect for those that haven't watched the film, but most people in Tip's postion would have given up on Phife WAY before he did.

But the last thing I want to add is, Phife had a few rants in the film where he claimed Tip was selfish and pretty much treated the group as Q-Tip feat. A Tribe Called Quest. That is false and Phife should be ashamed of himself. I'm a diehard ATCQ fan, and I had no idea that Tip did almost all of the production on the first 3 albums until about 3 years ago. I didn't know because the credits always read: Produced by A Tribe Called Quest. Meaning that even though he did do ALL of the music, they were able to share in the production credit/money equally.

I understand why Tip is mad because a lot of the documentary does focus on Phife's struggles with diabetes, and to a person not really paying attention, they may feel sorry for him and think Tip is a horrible person. But, when you watch the movie and pay attention from beginning to end, any sensible person will understand that Tip is not a bad guy, he just wanted the hard work that he put in to ATCQ to be fully realized and appreciated. Not for himself, but for the group.
 
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i agree. when he said he had diabetes but insisted on hitting up vending machines
and doing what 19yr olds do, you know he wasn't focused on his health, music and fame.
it was a cool movie. i think the hype from mths ago was just that, hype.
 
I agree with most of what your saying, but Tip was wrong for the shit he did to Phife on stage at the Rock The Bells pointing him out and calling him out on the mic! Yeah Phife was wrong for the sugar binges and not following his diet. But if you know anyone with diabities SUGAR is just like a drug to them. Is it right for Phife to not follow his diet? No Was it wrong for Tip to put that out on stage? Yes! Great Doc though brought back a whole lot of great music memories!!
 
I just watched it too. Great stuff....Phife sounded a little bitter but I think his bad health had a lot to do with his frame of mind.
 
I agree with most of what your saying, but Tip was wrong for the shit he did to Phife on stage at the Rock The Bells pointing him out and calling him out on the mic!

Onpoint, I rewinded that part like 6 times to see where Phife was coming from and I still don't see it. I think he was being a little emotional.
 
i agree. when he said he had diabetes but insisted on hitting up vending machines
and doing what 19yr olds do, you know he wasn't focused on his health, music and fame.
it was a cool movie. i think the hype from mths ago was just that, hype.

:yes:
 
Downloaded it the other day

Since I'm not doing shit tonight after all, I guess I'll go ahead and watch it

I had actually thought about going to see it next month, but fuck it

Tip didn't make the beats Pete rock did and he jacked him.

That was one beat
 
I remember I used to think Ali Shaheed did the production with Tip, but then when I learned who the Ummah was(Raphael Saddiq, Poyser, D'Angelo, Q-Tip, Dilla) I realized he was basically just a DJ, like Jarobi was a hypeman

Dre basically did the same with Big Boi on their first album.
 
I remember I used to think Ali Shaheed did the production with Tip, but then when I learned who the Ummah was(Raphael Saddiq, Poyser, D'Angelo, Q-Tip, Dilla) I realized he was basically just a DJ, like Jarobi was a hypeman

Dre basically did the same with Big Boi on their first album.

I may be mistaken but I thought The Ummah consisted of only Ali Shaheed Muhammed, Q-Tip and J Dilla
 
Dre basically did the same with Big Boi on their first album.

Nah, the first 2 albums was all Organized Noize. If I'm not mistaken, Dre didn't start producing until Aquimini and even then it was under the name Earthtone3 or some shit which was Dre, Big, and Mr. DJ.
 
Nah, the first 2 albums was all Organized Noize. If I'm not mistaken, Dre didn't start producing until Aquimini and even then it was under the name Earthtone3 or some shit which was Dre, Big, and Mr. DJ.

I'm talking about writing, he wrote most of Big Boi's verses on the first album.

I know about the production.
 
Throughout the movie Phife kept saying he wanted Qtip to sit down with him and say what he had to say yet when he was mad at Tip for calling him out on stage, he pulled the silent treatment. IMO that was hypocritical on his part...
 
I'm talking about writing, he wrote most of Big Boi's verses on the first album.

I know about the production.

Oh, I've never heard that, and i'm going to need some documentation to back that one up sir. :cool: Big Boi was/is hard. :yes:
 
I may be mistaken but I thought The Ummah consisted of only Ali Shaheed Muhammed, Q-Tip and J Dilla

Naw, Saddiq, James Poyser and D'Angelo were also involved because they ran together.

From Wiki

Wiki said:
The Ummah was a music production collective, composed of members Q-Tip and Ali Shaheed Muhammad of A Tribe Called Quest, and the late Jay Dee (now known as J Dilla) of the Detroit-based group Slum Village. Occasional members included Raphael Saadiq, and D'Angelo.
 
Naw, Saddiq, James Poyser and D'Angelo were also involved because they ran together.

From Wiki

Nah, you're thinking about the Soulquarians. They didn't come together until the early 2000's.

The Ummah was Jay-Dee, Q-Tip, and Ali Shaheed Muhammed.

From my memory. :cool:
 
Oh, I've never heard that, and i'm going to need some documentation to back that one up sir. :cool: Big Boi was/is hard. :yes:

I've seen Big Boi say it before in interviews about how he was when he was young.

You don't have to believe it, but most groups have a dominant writer especially when they first start out.
 
Tip didn't make the beats Pete rock did and he jacked him.

Pete DID do "the Jazz" beat... TIP had that record and re-created it... The truth is... Pete... TIP... Large Professor... JUJU from the Beatnuts... Mr. Walt from BeatMinerz... Diamond D... all these dudes FUCKED with each other during a certain period time... They ALL went Record Shoppiing together and Shit like that...

TIP, PETE and LARGE were VERY TIGHT... but... They all did their OWN beats... In fact, Large helped TIP put together his FIRST pre-production set up... but TIP put together damn near all those albums...

Phife's BIGGEST mistake was moving to ATLANTA when he did... He went down there chasing tail... He needed to stay as close to his business as possible... Instead, he made the 'GREAT' exodus to the ATL... and that was the start of the ending... :smh:
 
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Nah, you're thinking about the Soulquarians. They didn't come together until the early 2000's.

The Ummah was Jay-Dee, Q-Tip, and Ali Shaheed Muhammed.

From my memory. :cool:

?uest, Talib, Erykah, Common.... :confused:

No, I'm not thinking of them :smh:
 
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