Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode
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Agreed. 50 dropped in 03, around that time hip hop was stagnant. That was when the " hip.hop is dead" saying jumped off. Now compare that too 98 -2000 DMX era and look at the albums released during that time
but when you talk about a run. 50 brought the streets back.
ja rule and nelly it wasnt easy to just step in and go diamond as street rapper
and mona was right state prop was competition but they just didnt pop
same for camron and dipset
The conversation was about competition. When GRDT dropped hip hop was stagnant no competition. As I said look at the albums that came out when X dropped back to back....he had competition. Pun, Mob Deep , Em, Outkast, Nas, Dre, Mos Def etc
Not at all..take it with a grain of salt because its Joe but he has said numerous times that he never wants to work for someone else ever again
streets never left
50 first project didn't step in and go diamond - that took a awhile -and 50 wasn't everywhere before the album dropped
and 50 dropped ONE smash single
50 didn't have enough bandwidth to do 2 multi-platinum albums in a year either
vs
- X dropped during a really hot time on the streets and clubs
he dropped when Bad Boy still owned NYC radio and most major markets
right after J's Hard Knock Life went platinum, and the album was working mostly because of this single
How many smashes did X drop or feature on in 1998 alone?
why?
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i was joking lol
One thing about DMX vs. 50 is that when 50 came out rap started becoming more regional as well. You had Nelly over here in St. Louis, 50 was dominating East coast, I want to say 03 and 04 is when that "snap finger music" started coming out in the south, Kanye was running the midwest.
With DMX, his sound was just raw and in yo face and he did have more competition. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, when Jay said that line "i can divide...1 album every 10 year" line on takeover, there were people that actually agreed with Jay on that. It was written and Nastramadus were not praised when it first came out. Not sure how people view it now, but I wouldn't really qualify Nas as having a "run".
GRODT was the largest debute album in rap at the time
what i meant is when x came he got rid of the shining suit era
when 50 came out ja and nelly was on top with nelly going diamond
50 brought gangsta rap back on top
Nelly was still popular though...i dont think st valentine day massacre was as good as Get Rich or Die Tryin though. Also "backpack rap" was coming into the mainstream
Nas is just different - but he did not have a run
LL had a run - Snoop had a run - Wu had a run - J had a small run etc
imo Nas came out at the toughest time - nyc 94 was crazier than 98 and the west had nationwide on lock
-still 94 was such a great year for hiphop music
also label politics - IMO Nas on Def Jam would have had a real run
but Sony/Columbia couldn't make the money on Nas projects like they could with other rappers
thanks to Large Professor and Search
Come to think of it X didn't have the Dre co sign and production neither.
Yeah also Nas dropped at the time when NY hip hop was only selling gold, took years for Illmatic to go platinum same with Jay's RD.
West Coast Snoop DS and Pac MATW were the only to platinum in 94
IWW wasn't appreciated until a year or two after release. I have yet to listen to Nastradamus in its entirety, that Nastradamus single is trash. You can tell the label forced him to make that to appeal to a wider audience a.k.a white folk
I went back and looked at Nas Discography and I had forgotten all about "I Am" between It Was Written and Nastradamus. the below is from wikipedia and sums it up perfectly. Admittedly, I still listen to If I ruled the world and the Street Dreams remix (with R. Kelly)
While It Was Written earned more positive notices from critics over time, its standing also suffered from comparisons to the acclaimed Illmatic. Nas's subsequent releases have continued to be weighed against his debut, despite all of them selling more copies. Against this standard, they have often been critically deemed as mediocre follow-ups. It Was Written was the first of Nas's albums to have been labeled as 'selling out' by fans of Illmatic, due to his crossover sensibilities and radio-friendly hits aimed at the pop charts. In addition, none of his following releases have been able to reach the sales success of It Was Written. The follow-up, I Am... (1999), fared almost as well as It Was Written, serving as Nas's only other album to reach double platinum status. After the releases of I Am... and Nastradamus (1999), which underwent considerable editing due to bootlegging of the recording sessions, many fans and critics feared that his career was deteriorating. Despite the chart-topping success of I Am..., hip hop audiences were not ready for the more prophetic themes of Nastradamus, as it only sold 232,000 copies by its first week (less than half of I Am...'s first-week figures).
By 2001, Illmatic and It Was Written were both selling at a rate of over 3,000 copies a week, while Nastradamus was earning an average of little more than 2,000 copies a week, despite its relative newness. Both I Am... and Nastradamus received further criticism for their commercially oriented sound. Reflecting this widespread perception in the hip hop community and adding to his ongoing feud with Jay-Z at the time, Jay-Z mocked him in the song "Takeover" (2001) for assuming a "Pablo Escobar" persona and having a "one hot album [Illmatic] every ten year average". Nas, however, made something of a comeback with his fifth album Stillmatic (2001) and the follow-up God's Son (2002), which both sold in excess of 1 million copies. Afterwards, his subsequent albums tended to receive more positive reviews, including the platinum-selling Street's Disciple (2004) and his untitled ninth album (2008).
This mfkr saud he was gonna have Game make a drop that said "Melyssa Ford doesn't drive a Honda Accord?!!" They can bleep and cut from his face all they want, but Game would only be referring to her.......
That fashion-ista mfkr is petty as fuck!!
Hahahaha
They've done things before...when joe first started to take the pod in a different direction and started doing the pods like HUMAN and down other avenues, him and CTG were clicking up. I've always said that Joe and CTG are one in the same: they both like chaos
But they're also too alike to co-exist.
The issue(s) in my opinion are:
Joe doesn't respect CTG for "coming up" being Wendy's sidekick. Ctg enjoyed all the perks at the time, exclusive parties, gifts, access/ proximity to celebrities/ fame..... for nearly a decade
Then to kick her and her husband's back in claiming he was mistreated, not paid properly and various other things.
And then on the new business side, CTG isna serial "partner." IHeart owns Black Effect, they've got him in a whole 1080 deal, publishing, audio and any TV-video appearances/ ventures.
Meanwhile Joe while coming up, under Webb and Nitty he never kicks their back in, even though he's not affiliated with them anymore and has admitted that they weren't always the best businessmen.
He's a staunch advocate for ownership and that has come with a lot of time invested / lost and some delayed rewards. And I think CTG doesn't appreciate the slights and digs for choosing a different way.
I think that if they genuinely were able to put those differences aside and meet on a common ground they could generate good content and really make crossroads in/ for the community.
I agree with all of this. IMO, when CTG went up there to Joe's pod and was talking to Rory and Mal about how Joe screws everything up, he didn't see THIS coming. I don't think CTG will ever see Joe a true peer on his level. You know how people what you to succeed, but they dont want you to do "better" than them? I think this is how CTG feels about Joe. It's interesting especially considering that they both have roots from the same area (SC) and are running NY black media. With that being said, I feel that Joe has learned a lot from CTG, directly and indirectly, throughout the years and I appreciate their hustle and grind even if I feel that you never really know how they truly feel. I think that Joe started the shift when Rory and Mal left and became more "Business Joe". Sort of like the "Mr. McMahon" character on WWE after Bret left.
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