Is Floyd top 5 of all time????

[Alaskanredman]

Ummm, I was stating SRL is a top ten WW of all time. So it is easier to look at him and his body of work as top 5 all time. PBF has a resume that does not touch SRL. And add he never dominated a weight class with talent that SRL did then it is extremely funny to put PBF in the same class.

Again my nigga you are dense... Sugar Ray has a great resume because their were better fighters fighting in his weight class that posed threats. If Floyd ran through those lower weight classes you would still be saying that he hasn't fought anybody, because I can't think of anyone who posed a threat like Hearns, Hagler, Duran or even Pryor who Leonard didn't fight. Without a real challenge it would be pointless, that why cats like yourself want to see him going higher in weight class... when last year you just wanted him to clean up the welter weight division.

Shane and Pac were big names and challenges regardless. Shane was made into an after thought when you picked him to win and you wanted him to fight Pac. Now your talking about the nigga's age and you want to see Pac KO him. Are you serious? You bitched about Floyd fighting people he could beat but you want Shane and Pac to fight because it would be a good KO for Pac? I don't understand that and do you not realize it would probably take a brick to knock out Shane. He brawled with Jr. middleweights and ate their shit like baby food, but Pac will KO Shane?

 

[Zeferino]

When he fought Judah and Hatton, they were "fresh".

I see there is a new list of guys he has to beat, two of which are jr middle/middleweights and one a guy who hasn't beaten anyone of note to date.
I love Paul Williams like he's a relative but Williams would not test his defense. If Carlos Quintana figured him out, how could Mayweather not?
If Floyd had fought and beaten Andre Berto or Manny Pacquiao by now, these same flawed criticisms would be lofted at him. Berto would be too young and green (he still is) and Manny did prove to be a legit welter until he beat Cotto, so he would have been too small.

It seems that some people will constantly move the measuring stick no matter what he does.

Judah was not fresh. Judah had already been knocked out by Kostya Tzyzu and was just coming off a lost to Baldomir, a bum, and he almost got knocked in that fight too. You call that fresh? Hatton was fresh but he wasn't even a welterweight and he was rocked to his toes previously at welter by a non puncher named Collazo.

Berto is not too young and green. Berto is an undefeated champion and he is in a position where he too has to defend his title and take on all comers. How could Mayweather be criticized for unifying belts? By the same token, it seems as if Mayweather's fans lower the measuring stick and just find reasons for this guy to not have to fight anyone.

There is no new list. All anyone asks of Mayweather is for him to fight the guys in his own damn division. He fought Mosley and that's a start but it was way overdue as he has been in the welterweight division for several years now.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Again my nigga you are dense... Sugar Ray has a great resume because their were better fighters fighting in his weight class that posed threats. If Floyd ran through those lower weight classes you would still be saying that he hasn't fought anybody, because I can't think of anyone who posed a threat like Hearns, Hagler, Duran or even Pryor who Leonard didn't fight. Without a real challenge it would be pointless, that why cats like yourself want to see him going higher in weight class... when last year you just wanted him to clean up the welter weight division.

Shane and Pac were big names and challenges regardless. Shane was made into an after thought when you picked him to win and you wanted him to fight Pac. Now your talking about the nigga's age and you want to see Pac KO him. Are you serious? You bitched about Floyd fighting people he could beat but you want Shane and Pac to fight because it would be a good KO for Pac? I don't understand that and do you not realize it would probably take a brick to knock out Shane. He brawled with Jr. middleweights and ate their shit like baby food, but Pac will KO Shane?

I never said shane was going to win, lmao. I said I wanted Shane to win because he would go toe to toe with Manny and that would be dope. I like action pack fight like the one I'm watching now. Froch vs Kessler. I like seeing guys dig down deep and going to battle. PBF fights are boring. That is not saying PBF sucks. Just his fights do.

Stop putting PBF and Sugar Ray in the same sentence. It just sounds stupid. I am retiring that comparsion. Because there is none. Also stop saying what you think I would say. Let me say it. That makes more sense to me.

 

[Spectrum]

Mosley was definitely outboxed but although he was not shot, he was definitely far past his prime. People got big on Mosley again after the Margarito fight but before that fight his slippage was being commented on regularly.

Ive always said the Margarito fight could have been deceptive. However, it wasnt. Shane was the same fighter he was in the Margarito fight. I was wondering if Shane was going to come out looking slow. He did not come out looking slow. I thought the layoff would have him come out stiff. He actually came out looking sharp to me. This wasnt a case of a fighter just coming out and looking aged overnight. For instance, RJJ is CONSIDERABLY slower than he was in his prime. Shane was not slower or lacking his power in this fight...nor was his footwork bad.

The only thing that I will say is that he looked unusually gassed in the middle rounds. But I need to watch the fight again..because maybe he caught a body shit that I missed...a solid body shot will make you looked really gassed. I know floyd caught him with a nasty body shot in the later rounds ( i believe round 9) but Im now thinking that maybe he caught him with one earlier because in rounds 4-6, you could tell that something was effectiving Shane.

 

[Spectrum]

Also, when faced with fighters with similar speed in Judah, Mosley, and even Corley, he has gotten rocked. He also seems very vulnerable to a jab of all punches. I think this shows that his defense, though tight, is overrated and not the "greatest defense of all time".

All great defensive fighters will get hit sometimes man. Sweat Pea got hit... shit..the best defensive fighter of all-time, Willie Pep, got hit. But those hits are very rare... the fact that you can count on your hand the amount of boxers who had landed solid power punches on Floyd is a testament to his defensive ability...because Ive only seen Mosley, Chop Chop, Castillo, and Zab Judah get him flush with power shots.

 

[Spectrum]

I I've always believed Mayweather could have stopped Oscar also had he simply stepped it up.


If he didn't have power, Mosley would have been a lot more eager to trade with him. The fact that Mosley, as good as his chin is, did not want to sit down and trade with Mayweather confirms that Mayweather can punch.

Naw homie... Oscar was never hurt in that fight. Oscar has a chin and fight time came in way bigger than Floyd. Floyd was smart not to exchange with Oscar because a left hook from Oscar means lights out.

Floyd definitely is not a power puncher. He isnt going to load up and one punch a fighter with a chin. However, he is extremely accurate and you are going to feel getting hit square on your face repeatedly. It wasnt that Shane was scared of his power as much as knowing that everytime he came in to exchange, he was connecting on at best one punch, and we getting hit twice on the counter... if he even managed to connect.

And even getting hit repeatedly by a puncher who isnt heavy-handed is going to wear you down after several rounds of it...you could see it around round 9 where Mosley caught about 3 hard straight rights.... not one of them was particular powerful...but the combination of the three flush straight rights had him wobbly and he almost buckled.

 

[Spectrum]

If people are tired of excuses being made for Mayweather's opponents after they lose, then he should fight people like: Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquiao, Andre Berto..

 

[Zeferino]

All great defensive fighters will get hit sometimes man. Sweat Pea got hit... shit..the best defensive fighter of all-time, Willie Pep, got hit. But those hits are very rare... the fact that you can count on your hand the amount of boxers who had landed solid power punches on Floyd is a testament to his defensive ability...because Ive only seen Mosley, Chop Chop, Castillo, and Zab Judah get him flush with power shots.

I have no problem with calling him "one" of the best defensive fighters to lace em up. I just don't agree with saying Mayweather has the greatest defense of all time. I think that there is a lot of unfinished business that he needs to take care of before that. If skills pay the bills and his defense is that good, I'd like to see it tested by a tall lanky non stop puncher like Paul Williams or even a guy like Martinez. Or how about him simply facing someone truly of his own weight division that's not old and not on the decline.

Again, Mayweather should get major credit for taking care of Mosley the way he did because old or not, Mosley was declared the man at welter after he took out Margarito. But in the end, Mayweather still fought a Mosley that is 38, 39 years old and far from his best years. Even Mayweather repeatedly said that Mosley lost 5 times already....tired of writing

 

[TJervey]

I read all of the responses on this Thread and it's a shame that the dislike for PBF really clouds judgement. As anyone who I have danced with knows, I am not a PBF advocate but I am a boxing fan and you cannot dispute the Dude's skillset. I don't get caught up in his boastful alter ego because if he wasn't that way pre-fight, we might be talking about a hundred thousand buys as opposed to over a million. Shane can't promote a PPV in his own house, so this fight needed a bad guy and PBF plays it to a tee.

As far as the fight, there is no way to dispute Shane being over trained, Dude went through two complete training camps in probably 6 months or so, had a 15 month layoff, and is 38... that being said, he still signed for the fight, showed up for the fight and fought, so I cannot take away from Floyd's performance due to this shit. Also, I do believe it was a calculated risk Floyd took, realizing that Dude could possible come in at less than 100%, but I don't believe even if he had a regular duration camp, etc. the result would have been much different. Sure it could have been closer, but PBF timing is sinister and not only did Shane maybe run out of gas, but those lead rights and counters took a lot out of him too...

I believe Floyd is the best fighter of the last 15 yrs, used to think it was RJJ but he really did get by on super human athletic ability and speed, Floyd gets by on smarts and adaptability, and some genius matchmaking, which I've come to realize is an art in itself.

He is definitely Top 10, it may be too late for him to crack the top 5 because he doesn't have the time or opponents available to afford him the types of fights to catapult him pass some of the fighters with better resumes...

 

[Zeferino]

Why not fight Andre Berto? If the guy is so easy, just take his belt and move on to the next guy. So what, now Mayweather shouldn't fight Berto because he's supposedly green? Berto has a belt. If he's green, that's his problem. If Mayweather continues to make excuses like this guy's too green, this guy's not popular, this guy has too many losses, this guy's undefeated but green, etc, then he'll continue as he has the past few years without dominating his own division.

I don't know about you, but I like to see undisputed champions. I think more title unifications are necessary.

 

[Zeferino]

He is definitely Top 10, it may be too late for him to crack the top 5 because he doesn't have the time or opponents available to afford him the types of fights to catapult him pass some of the fighters with better resumes...

Definitely Top 10 what?

 

[Spectrum]

Why not fight Andre Berto? If the guy is so easy, just take his belt and move on to the next guy.

I guess my issue is this. You are saying that Floyd should take more challenging fights like Sergio or Paul Williams. Why would Berto be a challenge... cats would then be criticizing him for taking on a fighter that couldnt challenge him. Floyd would pick Berto apart. I have no interest in see that fight at all. I dont consider Berto an elite welter and he certainly doesnt pose style problems for Floyd (like maybe a PW could) so what is the point. People would again start calling him out for cherry-picking.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Ive always said the Margarito fight could have been deceptive. However, it wasnt. Shane was the same fighter he was in the Margarito fight. I was wondering if Shane was going to come out looking slow. He did not come out looking slow. I thought the layoff would have him come out stiff. He actually came out looking sharp to me. This wasnt a case of a fighter just coming out and looking aged overnight. For instance, RJJ is CONSIDERABLY slower than he was in his prime. Shane was not slower or lacking his power in this fight...nor was his footwork bad.

The only thing that I will say is that he looked unusually gassed in the middle rounds. But I need to watch the fight again..because maybe he caught a body shit that I missed...a solid body shot will make you looked really gassed. I know floyd caught him with a nasty body shot in the later rounds ( i believe round 9) but Im now thinking that maybe he caught him with one earlier because in rounds 4-6, you could tell that something was effectiving Shane.

I think this got to be said about Shane even though the nigga isn't what he use to be. Shane past his prime is still a beast that should not be slept on in regards to other welter and jr. middle fighters. I think Floyd neutralized the nigga when he started touching Shane.

I think niggas are blaming Shane's conditioning but I agree that it was the punches made him inactive cause the nigga never stopped moving. He was feinting and flinching that whole fight, but he was scared of the counter punches.

 

[Zeferino]

Naw homie... Oscar was never hurt in that fight. Oscar has a chin and fight time came in way bigger than Floyd. Floyd was smart not to exchange with Oscar because a left hook from Oscar means lights out.

Floyd definitely is not a power puncher. He isnt going to load up and one punch a fighter with a chin. However, he is extremely accurate and you are going to feel getting hit square on your face repeatedly. It wasnt that Shane was scared of his power as much as knowing that everytime he came in to exchange, he was connecting on at best one punch, and we getting hit twice on the counter... if he even managed to connect.

And even getting hit repeatedly by a puncher who isnt heavy-handed is going to wear you down after several rounds of it...you could see it around round 9 where Mosley caught about 3 hard straight rights.... not one of them was particular powerful...but the combination of the three flush straight rights had him wobbly and he almost buckled.

Floyd never tried to take Oscar out. That doesn't mean he couldn't have. In my opinion, had he tried he could have. I felt that in the middle rounds of the fight where he landed right hands on Oscar that knocked him back with force. However, Floyd did not press for a knock out. The closest I've seen Mayweather come to trying to walk down a guy and get him out of there was the third round of the Mosley fight where he fought as if his pride was hurt. I was impressed by that.

I think Floyd has the power but not the temperament.

 

[Spectrum]

I have no problem with calling him "one" of the best defensive fighters to lace em up. I just don't agree with saying Mayweather has the greatest defense of all time.

I definitely dont think he is the greatest defensive fighter of all-time. He is one of the best. Although he has more technical defensive ability than that say Sweat Pea (with the shoulder roll, stance, etc), I cant call him a better defensive fighter than Sweat Pea as Swea Pea was faster and more elusive. Sweat Pea could stand in front of you with his gloves down (not moving his feet) and make you miss repeatedly. Sweat Pea did that shit to great fighters like Chavez, DLH in his prime...just making those cats swing for air...

He is definitely top ten defensive fighter of all time though...and at minimum.. in the 5-8 position.

 

[Spectrum]

Floyd never tried to take Oscar out. That doesn't mean he couldn't have. In my opinion, had he tried he could have. I felt that in the middle rounds of the fight where he landed right hands on Oscar that knocked him back with force. However, Floyd did not press for a knock out. The closest I've seen Mayweather come to trying to walk down a guy and get him out of there was the third round of the Mosley fight where he fought as if his pride was hurt. I was impressed by that.

I think Floyd has the power but not the temperament.

I think he could have knocked out Mosley in the late rounds. Like I said, there was a point in the 9th or 10th round where Mosley was really hurt and he legs were giving on him.

I have to disagree on the DLH fight though...there was never a time in that fight where Oscar was even remotely hurt. He got hit but never with anything that even remotely HURT him. DLH was visibly much bigger than Floyd and Floyd ate A LOT of jabs in the first 6 rounds...I really think he respected that left hook from DLH... DLH wasnt the shot, drained from coming down too much in weight fighter that fought Pacman..

 

[Spectrum]

I think niggas are blaming Shane's conditioning but I agree that it was the punches made him inactive cause the nigga never stopped moving. He was feinting and flinching that whole fight, but he was scared of the counter punches.

That is what I am saying...because if you look at his legs until the very late rounds, he was still moving a lot laterally and bouncing...he had the pop after her recovered from whatever slowed him down in the 4th and 5th....There were two punches that were killing him.... whenever he had Floyd on the ropes, Floyd was counter with a left hook and catch Shane every time...in the middle of the ring, he kept hitting Shane with a straight right... Floyd was just quicker to the punch...and it wasn because Shane was shot... Floyd was always quicker than Shane and Shane really hasnt had fights where his opponent was much quicker than him...

you could see it on his face.... he was THINKING...you can see when a create fighter is paralized by thinking...because his natural boxing ability cant get the job done.... he was thinking in plain terms... WHAT CAN I DO TO HIS THIS NIGGA WITHOUT CATCHING 1 OR 2 COUNTERPUNCHES EVERY TIME

 

[TJervey]

Definitely Top 10 what?

Top 10 All Time. Again, this is a subjective argument but I've had some exposure to the older fighters, and I grew up in the 80's generation and saw live the Leonard/Hagler, Hearn/Leonard, Duran, Pryor type of fighters, and base on what I've seen, I've got to give Floyd Top 10 status. The thing is, it is easy to diss him based on competition, etc. but also, you have to consider that some of the fighters we compare him to came from a more crude era with less advanced skills. To say that he wouldn't have been successful at minimum against these guys is short changing him. Sure, Armstrong held belts in 4 weight classes at the same time, Leonard and those guys fought wars, but the thing is, Floyd would have been difficult to hit, as well as he knows how to adapt. Do I think he would beat those guys, I'd have to say no because I don't believe he has the heart they did (i.e. Leonard coming back from a close eye, to turn into the hunter instead of the hunted and knock out Hearns type of heart). I do believe he would be a hell of a live underdog against Leonard and Hearns, but I would damn sure not be surprised if he beat both of them. As far as regardless of weight, I don't see him being better than Ali, because Ali was a freak of nature at heavy weight, was more of a fighter at heart, not just a boxer, and he was very good defensively when he wanted to be, but he could fight too. There hasn't been a heavyweight as graceful since.

 

[Zeferino]

I guess my issue is this. You are saying that Floyd should take more challenging fights like Sergio or Paul Williams. Why would Berto be a challenge... cats would then be criticizing him for taking on a fighter that couldnt challenge him. Floyd would pick Berto apart. I have no interest in see that fight at all. I dont consider Berto an elite welter and he certainly doesnt pose style problems for Floyd (like maybe a PW could) so what is the point. People would again start calling him out for cherry-picking.

I've never seen a champion criticized for ruling his division. Of course Mayweather is going to get criticize if he's offered Margarito on one hand and Baldomir on the other and he picks Baldomir. What do you expect the critics to think when he does stuff like this? Jones got major credit for unifying almost every belt at light heavy and beating almost every guy in the top ten of his division. Jones was P4P #1 and there was no doubt who was the man in his own weight class. It does make sense to be able to at least rule your own division.

There's a lot of reasons why Berto could be a challenge but if the fight never happens we'll never know. Berto certainly couldn't be less of a challenge than Mosley was. If Mayweather is so good that we must assume that no one in his division is worth fighting, then maybe he should just change divisions or retire. Otherwise, if he truly is the best he should have to prove it like every other great champ did.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I guess my issue is this. You are saying that Floyd should take more challenging fights like Sergio or Paul Williams. Why would Berto be a challenge... cats would then be criticizing him for taking on a fighter that couldnt challenge him. Floyd would pick Berto apart. I have no interest in see that fight at all. I dont consider Berto an elite welter and he certainly doesnt pose style problems for Floyd (like maybe a PW could) so what is the point. People would again start calling him out for cherry-picking.

exactly.... These niggas will never run out of opponents and excuses. If Floyd dominates the welter weight division he will still be looked at as picking easy fights when a few months ago everyone of these guys were saying Floyd needs to fight a real welter weight to prove himself. Shane was considered the best true welter weight and now he still has to prove himself cause Shane is too old....

This exactly what I said they would say a year ago if Shane got dominated. Most people had Floyd winning but no one wanted to say it would be showcase foe Floyd including myself....

 

[TJervey]

That is what I am saying...because if you look at his legs until the very late rounds, he was still moving a lot laterally and bouncing...he had the pop after her recovered from whatever slowed him down in the 4th and 5th....There were two punches that were killing him.... whenever he had Floyd on the ropes, Floyd was counter with a left hook and catch Shane every time...in the middle of the ring, he kept hitting Shane with a straight right... Floyd was just quicker to the punch...and it wasn because Shane was shot... Floyd was always quicker than Shane and Shane really hasnt had fights where his opponent was much quicker than him...

you could see it on his face.... he was THINKING...you can see when a create fighter is paralized by thinking...because his natural boxing ability cant get the job done.... he was thinking in plain terms... WHAT CAN I DO TO HIS THIS NIGGA WITHOUT CATCHING 1 OR 2 COUNTERPUNCHES EVERY TIME

I feel you but overtraining can also cause a fighter to be less than 100% in his reflexes, etc. Bouncing around doesn't mean he didn't over train, he's a professional athlete so overtraining doesn't mean collapsing, but it means that your thinking, reflexes, muscle memory, etc. could be affected. Add to the equation fighting a Dude like Floyd, reputation for disaster.

 

[Zeferino]

I get it. Mayweather is just so wonderful that he can rule his division without fighting the top guys in it. Asking him to fight the other champs and contenders in it is just hating and looking for excuses because he'll just beat them anyway so why bother. I guess he is really the master of defense.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I think he could have knocked out Mosley in the late rounds. Like I said, there was a point in the 9th or 10th round where Mosley was really hurt and he legs were giving on him.

I have to disagree on the DLH fight though...there was never a time in that fight where Oscar was even remotely hurt. He got hit but never with anything that even remotely HURT him. DLH was visibly much bigger than Floyd and Floyd ate A LOT of jabs in the first 6 rounds...I really think he respected that left hook from DLH... DLH wasnt the shot, drained from coming down too much in weight fighter that fought Pacman..

Mosley was getting hurt but at no time did I think he was going to drop... I think if Floyd went in there too aggressive in the late rounds, the nigga might have caught a third dose of what he caught in the second round.

 

[TJervey]

I get it. Mayweather is just so wonderful that he can rule his division without fighting the top guys in it. Asking him to fight the other champs and contenders in it is just hating and looking for excuses because he'll just beat them anyway so why bother. I guess he is really the master of defense.

If you peeped my post, I did mention that as a pre-req as to NOT consider Floyd Top 5. That being said, there is no way to honestly consider anyone else at WW besides Pac as a serious challenge for him after the showing against Mosley. PW has been fighting at 160, so has Martinez. Berto is good, but not yet a real challenge to Floyd. He was getting hit by Quintana, he basically over powered him. Also, to say Floyd has no power is foolish. He might not be knocking guys out with one punch power, but Dude sat down on some of his punches and Shane was clearly hurt. Again, I am not a fan of PBF, because I still believe he masterfully matches himself, but you cannot deny his skill set. That alone makes him special...

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Definitely Top 10 what?

ditto, lmao Seriously folks. He is so far from being an all time great it is insane. Comparing him to Ali, robinson, Leonard, and one of my personal favorites jack johnson and many others is a bad joke. A very bad joke.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Top 10 All Time. Again, this is a subjective argument but I've had some exposure to the older fighters, and I grew up in the 80's generation and saw live the Leonard/Hagler, Hearn/Leonard, Duran, Pryor type of fighters, and base on what I've seen, I've got to give Floyd Top 10 status. The thing is, it is easy to diss him based on competition, etc. but also, you have to consider that some of the fighters we compare him to came from a more crude era with less advanced skills. To say that he wouldn't have been successful at minimum against these guys is short changing him. Sure, Armstrong held belts in 4 weight classes at the same time, Leonard and those guys fought wars, but the thing is, Floyd would have been difficult to hit, as well as he knows how to adapt. Do I think he would beat those guys, I'd have to say no because I don't believe he has the heart they did (i.e. Leonard coming back from a close eye, to turn into the hunter instead of the hunted and knock out Hearns type of heart). I do believe he would be a hell of a live underdog against Leonard and Hearns, but I would damn sure not be surprised if he beat both of them. As far as regardless of weight, I don't see him being better than Ali, because Ali was a freak of nature at heavy weight, was more of a fighter at heart, not just a boxer, and he was very good defensively when he wanted to be, but he could fight too. There hasn't been a heavyweight as graceful since.

Real shit, I don't even know where to place Floyd but Leonard, Hearns and etc. are romanticized like Floyd couldn't fight in the same league based on the fact that this generation hasn't produce as many thorough niggas as there used to be back in their day.

 

[Alaskanredman]

If you peeped my post, I did mention that as a pre-req as to NOT consider Floyd Top 5. That being said, there is no way to honestly consider anyone else at WW besides Pac as a serious challenge for him after the showing against Mosley. PW has been fighting at 160, so has Martinez. Berto is good, but not yet a real challenge to Floyd. He was getting hit by Quintana, he basically over powered him. Also, to say Floyd has no power is foolish. He might not be knocking guys out with one punch power, but Dude sat down on some of his punches and Shane was clearly hurt. Again, I am not a fan of PBF, because I still believe he masterfully matches himself, but you cannot deny his skill set. That alone makes him special...

Fighting Berto is cool in my book but these niggas need to cut the shit like that'll make them give Floyd props. Manny is the only threat and only fight worth chasing at welterweight or jr. middleweight.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Real shit, I don't even know where to place Floyd but Leonard, Hearns and etc. are romanticized like Floyd couldn't fight in the same league based on the fact that this generation hasn't produce as many thorough niggas as there used to be back in their day.

lol, wow! that explains a lot. Look at the hall of fame fighter in hearns and leonard resume. Look at when they fought these big names. You pbf fans are funny. You mention chop chop like he was iran barkley or something. PBF is a great talent but you can't measure his greatness because he has not fought great fighters or fights. No matter how you try to spin it that is a fact. Name a great fight he has had against a hall of famer. The name the great fights the people you just mentioned that are being romanticized. lol, funny stuff on bgol.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Fighting Berto is cool in my book but these niggas need to cut the shit like that'll make them give Floyd props. Manny is the only threat and only fight worth chasing at welterweight or jr. middleweight.

manny is not going up to fight pbf at jr middleweight. why even mention jr middleweight and not say PWILL or SM?

 

[TJervey]

Real shit, I don't even know where to place Floyd but Leonard, Hearns and etc. are romanticized like Floyd couldn't fight in the same league based on the fact that this generation hasn't produce as many thorough niggas as there used to be back in their day.

It is because of this point that I can't give Floyd equal status, not to say he isn't as skilled, it's just that even if he'd fought all of the top guys available to him, he would still not have the pedigree they had in the 70's and 80's. I mean even a guy like Wilfredo Benitez would be top 5 or 10 PFP in this Era, and he got his ass handed to him. I think guys punish Floyd, a prime RJJ and a BHop for who they had available to fight against, unfortunately for Floyd, he hasn't allowed himself to be judge against fighting the best of his era (IN THEIR PRIME), which he can only fault himself for, but I cannot deny his skills, Floyd would be a bundle to handle in any Era.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

It is because of this point that I can't give Floyd equal status, not to say he isn't as skilled, it's just that even if he'd fought all of the top guys available to him, he would still not have the pedigree they had in the 70's and 80's. I mean even a guy like Wilfredo Benitez would be top 5 or 10 PFP in this Era, and he got his ass handed to him. I think guys punish Floyd, a prime RJJ and a BHop for who they had available to fight against, unfortunately for Floyd, he hasn't allowed himself to be judge against fighting the best of his era (IN THEIR PRIME), which he can only fault himself for, but I cannot deny his skills, Floyd would be a bundle to handle in any Era.

yeah! a post with some common sense. Props on you mentioning my first favorite fighter, Wilfredo Benitez. I cried when Leonard beat him. I can honestly say there are two fighters I hated Leonard and RJJ. Leonard because he beat everyone I liked and RJJ because he was overrated when he moved up to light heavy weight and got a universal pass for fighting bums.

 

[Alaskanredman]

manny is not going up to fight pbf at jr middleweight. why even mention jr middleweight and not say PWILL or SM?

I didn't say Sergio or P Will because I don't think the hype or money is there. Those would but good fights but I think Pac is the dude to beat. If we are going to focus on Floyd's resume, we also need to look at his opponent's resume and who has a better resume than Pac.

And I wasn't talking about Manny moving up, I was just talking about opponent in general

 

[Zeferino]

ditto, lmao Seriously folks. He is so far from being an all time great it is insane. Comparing him to Ali, robinson, Leonard, and one of my personal favorites jack johnson and many others is a bad joke. A very bad joke.

I think the Floyd vision will wear off after a few weeks and things will be put in their proper perspective. People are just very hyped about the fight right now.

 

[TJervey]

lol, wow! that explains a lot. Look at the hall of fame fighter in hearns and leonard resume. Look at when they fought these big names. You pbf fans are funny. You mention chop chop like he was iran barkley or something. PBF is a great talent but you can't measure his greatness because he has not fought great fighters or fights. No matter how you try to spin it that is a fact. Name a great fight he has had against a hall of famer. The name the great fights the people you just mentioned that are being romanticized. lol, funny stuff on bgol.

Dude, again I am not a Floyd fan but the point is pointless!!! That's like lessening Michael Jordan's career and championships because he didn't win them against the Celtic who won like 10 straight, or saying Karl Malone is not a HOFer because he didn't Play against Bill Russell, or Shaq isn't a HOFer because he didn't play against Wilt or Kareem, you can't blame a fighter because he didn't have those types of fighters to fight. Also, for the record, it is difficult to say who he has fought and who will be in the HOF because most of his contemporaries aren't eligible yet. IMO Oscar and Shane will be HOF, as well as Gatti. Laugh, but Gatti has had a similar career and impact as Jake LaMotta, and Rock Graziano, and both of them are in the HOF.

 

[Spectrum]

I've never seen a champion criticized for ruling his division. Of course Mayweather is going to get criticize if he's offered Margarito on one hand and Baldomir on the other and he picks Baldomir.

But this is completely and utter nonsense. Mosley put up an offer to fight both Margarito and Cotto and TOP RANK killed the deal. That is a fact. Margarito has always been overrated and he is exactly the type of fighter that Floyd would feast on all fight long in an easy UD. Come on man... lets not forget about the politics in boxing. That wasnt Leonard running from Pryor...this was Arun killing the fight.