I'm just not understanding...why can't Cris Carter get in da HOF?!?!?

Swann shouldnt be there. He's proof that the voters fuck up sometime. Dude was a kiss ass who benefited from being a media guy and politic's.

It took him 15 years to get in, and only upon considerable re-evaluation. Can't compare his numbers to the current crop. He was a big play receiver (averaged as many 19.7 Yards one year and was in double figures twice in TDs), who only played a very brief time (barely 7 full years). Then there's his playoff record.
 
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why does blunt feel the need to be in sports threads?

bitch just likes to try to start argument. if it is a black (especially a man) she is going to attack his character (unless it was a karl malone type dude/ black teabagger)
she know she has never watched a game in her life.
if cats would just ignore her she wouldn't get the attention she craves
 
Another example of Rice's dominance is his performance against Deion Sanders, considered by many as the best coverage cornerback of all-time. From 1989 to 1996, Rice and Sanders faced off ten times, with Rice compiling 60 receptions for 1,051 yards and 11 receiving touchdowns against Sanders' teams (this would project to approximately 96 receptions for 1682 yards and 18 touchdowns in 16 games). Rice's teams won six of the ten games. To Sanders credit, Deion had 4 interceptions for 58 yards and 0 touchdowns in those ten games. Rice played against Sanders' teams twelve times, but Sanders did not play in two of those games (once in 1992 and once in 1993).

Sanders got nothing but ABUSE from Rice.
 
Like I said man Irvin was the start of the WR that "beat up" the DB. Again you basing it on stats. Shit for that matter If Im not mistaken Joe Montana isnt top 5 in anything....yet he's widely considered the best ever. That doesnt mean shit.

Oh yes it does. Joe has the most Superbowl MVPs out of any player: 3

How do you think Alvin harper was able to get single coverage? Why do you think the middle was open for Novacek? Because 88 was being double teamed.

I don't know what games you were watchin, or if you are even old enough to remember. Irvin was not being double teamed. The nigga was slow. And looking at his lack luster borderline garbage stats, he wasn't worthy of a double team.

How was Alvin Harper catchin those balls and making big plays? hmmmm, could it have something to do with the FACT that he set the All Time High School High Jump record in Florida and was a 2 time SEC High Jump Champion in College?
 
And don't forget Jake Reed. Jake had 4 straight 1000 yard seasons.

I couldn't remember his name and didn't feel like looking. Moss definitely benefited from having those two on his side. Moss had one great season in NE, his first but has been ok since. so let's see... He had one great season without Carter and Reed on the field with him. When he had to be the man when Carter and Reed were gone hr couldn't hack it and bitched and whined to get out of Minnesota. This past season he was bitching and let Welker become the man all while still refusing to go over the middle.
 
I dont get the hate on Irvin...not going to repeat any of the stats because they have already been posted by you cats.. but Only Irvin and Rice consistently abused Deion Sanders because they were perfect route runners...
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Sanders got nothing but ABUSE from Rice.

Is that something to be ashamed of?

All that abuse early in his career didn't do anything but make him a better CB.
 
why does blunt feel the need to be in sports threads?

Because I know a shitload more than you about sports and wanna educate you. Stop crying (like a typical overmatched bully), and try to contribute something of value for a change.
 
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Is that something to be ashamed of?

All that abuse early in his career didn't do anything but make him a better CB.

Rice abused Sanders consistently, from beginning to the end. Deion is not even in the top 20 in picks.

You kats get his coverage abilities confused with his return skills. What Deion did AFTER the interception was amazing, but his cover skills weren't great at all.
 
Oh yes it does. Joe has the most Superbowl MVPs out of any player: 3



I don't know what games you were watchin, or if you are even old enough to remember. Irvin was not being double teamed. The nigga was slow. And looking at his lack luster borderline garbage stats, he wasn't worthy of a double team.

How was Alvin Harper catchin those balls and making big plays? hmmmm, could it have something to do with the FACT that he set the All Time High School High Jump record in Florida and was a 2 time SEC High Jump Champion in College?

I was watching the same games you apparently werent. Irvin got plenty of attention. And if Harper was so good......why wasnt he a #1? Why when he went to Tampa to be a #1.....you know the rest man...please stop, man stop.
 
I don't know what games you were watchin, or if you are even old enough to remember. Irvin was not being double teamed. The nigga was slow. And looking at his lack luster borderline garbage stats, he wasn't worthy of a double team.

This is the exact reason why he decided to become the across the middle receiver he became. He said that he realized just how slow he was when he got into the league, and he also realized that MANY receivers were scared of going across the middle, so that's where he decided to earn his keep.
 
Because I know a shitload more than you about sports and wanna educate you.

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Man, I heard some reporter the other day saying he wouldn't vote for Sharpe, if he had a vote, b/c he was just a "pass catcher". He never blocked or anything. While I agree, the man was a beast. And he leads all TE's in TD's. In my opinion, if 5 get in it's Deion, Curtis Martin, Marshall Faulk, Jerome Bettis, and Chris Carter. Sorry Sharpe. He would get in the year after next.


What is you talking about,you must of not seen too many Broncos games because I've seen Shannon block plenty of times especially when they had Terrell Davis.....I dont understand why people got this idea that he couldnt block....was he a passing tight end yes but he also blocked especially in Mike Shanahan system

... Chris Carter was the Vikings in the 90s before Moss came along...


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I'd call Chris Carter one of the ten best at his position. During the 90's you don't think he was one of the top three receivers?

He was a 8 time pro bowler. Plus what QB's did he have?

To state some more

Tim Brown was a 9 time pro bowler
Andre Reed was a 7 time pro bowler
Shannon Sharpe was a 8 time pro bowler
Art Monk was a 3 time pro bowler
Russ Grimm was a 4 time pro bowler




Never in my life that a tight end who won 3 Superbowls,2 quality teams,8 pro-bowls, and all the records at his position cant get into the Hall of Fame.........If they make Tony Gonzalez first ballot Im gonna be pissed :hmm:

The Vikings were putting up big numbers on offense prior to Moss.

Again, Jake Reed and Chris Cater were 2 receivers you HAD TO DOUBLE TEAM. Where does that leave Moss? In single coverage. He'll win that battle most of the time, unless you get physical with him (Moss is not physical at all), Revis proved that. Hell, Revis himself sad Moss was lazy.


I will say this I think Revis will be a good cornerback but talking trash about an aging receiver isnt gonna give you points in my book......I mean Moss can still ball but I will guarantee that he wouldnt open his mouth on a younger Moss.....especially if Moss would of had a legit quarterback for most of his career...



In 2 years Rod Smith better be on the first HOF ballot:

Rec: 849
Yards: 11389
TDs: 68
Superbowl wins: 2

And he better get in.


As much of a Bronco fan I am I dont think he's a Hall of Famer but he should be in the discussion though.

Put down the crack please sir. Curtis Martin is best player on that list. He and Deion should get in.

Sorry if you think Curtis Martin is better than Marshall Faulk then you need to stop watching football.......Im not saying Curtis Martin was a bad running back but you cant compare those two......Faulk was on another level when he played




But I do agree that Chris Carter should be in the Hall of Fame......I mean if you ask anyone who watched football in the 80's and early 90's and ask them who was the second best receiver most will say it was Chris Carter...........I dont understand why these writers dont put someone in the HOF just because they was assholes or they dont like the player.........that too me is fuckin stupid :smh::smh::smh::smh:


Art Modell should be in the HOF but he wont because of what happened here in Cleveland and its a fuckin shame....I think they should find some way to stop this stupidity....Too many players isnt being considered because these voters dont know what the fuck they are doing........just ask Art Monk about that


I believe they should add 2 more slots for the HOF.....just my opinion
 
Never in my life that a tight end who won 3 Superbowls,2 quality teams,8 pro-bowls, and all the records at his position cant get into the Hall of Fame.........If they make Tony Gonzalez first ballot Im gonna be pissed :hmm:

WTF??? You're dissing Gonzalez (who's gonna end up with around 1,200 catches as a TE, which is 50% more than Sharpe)??? There's no comparison.
 
NFL HOF is not about numbers. The Baseball HOF is SOLELY about numbers.

Neither statement is true.

BOTH Halls are about whatever individual voters want it to be about. The NFL writers (44 of them) argue it out before the final vote. The 500 baseball writers vote privately. Each voter has his reason for voting the way he does.

The NFL branch has been trying to catch up with defensive players in recent years, which is why some deserving (though not slam-dunk) receivers have been forced to wait.
 
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Honestly man I respect football voters for this. The Hall of Fames as a whole are getting too "crowded". Shit is becoming the "Hall of very Good". To me you have to dominant. Not just putting up stats for years. Thats not necessarily domination. Shit look at Drew Bledsoe and Kerry Collins. Both of those cats (if memory serves me right) are top 10 in yards and alot of other stats all time, but neither one of them will sniff the hall. Cris Carter was very good.. I wouldnt call him an all time great.

Carter never excelled in the playoffs, he never was "the" man on "the" team. To me a Hall of Famer is someone to be revered, someone who made a profound impact on the game. Example, Carter and Moss could have the same stats and Moss would get in over him just based on impact. Moss was "THE" WR in the NFL for multiple years. He impacted the game, his position like no one in a long time. And for that Moss will likely get in first ballot..

Basically this is my take on it, I wouldnt be mad if he got in, but I have no problem with him not making it.


I agree.Hall Of Fames in general are watered down.IMO you have to be THE GUY to get in.Rice was THE GUY,Barry Sanders was THE GUY,Moss was THE GUY,Singletary,Montana,Tim Brown,Deon...All of these guys were the most talked about players in every game.Opposing teams spent 90% of their time trying to shut them down.Some of these other guys were good and played in multiple Pro Bowls,but were necessarily HOF material.I think winning should be a factor,but not a BIG factor.Alot of times winning has little to do with a player but more the organization,system and of course team.IMO the "winning" thing gained momentum to let more white players shine.
 
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Never in my life that a tight end who won 3 Superbowls,2 quality teams,8 pro-bowls, and all the records at his position cant get into the Hall of Fame.........If they make Tony Gonzalez first ballot Im gonna be pissed :hmm:


I AGREE!!, its almost as if this group of writers were not even watching these guys actually play. dude won 3 RINGS, and hell in baltimore he damn near was the mvp with a crap qb


guess all those 1000yd backs, didnt benefit from sharpe blocking at all


gonzalez will have all the records, but imo he doesnt have shit on sharpe....especially once you factor in the way championships and his impact in those games
 
I agree.Hall Of Fames in general are watered down.IMO you have to be THE GUY to get in.Rice was THE GUY,Barry Sanders was THE GUY,Moss was THE GUY,Singletary,Montana,Tim Brown,Deon...All of these guys were the most talked about players in every game.Opposing teams spent 90% of their time trying to shut them down.Some of these other guys were good and played in multiple Pro Bowls,but were necessarily HOF material.I think winning should be a factor,but not a BIG factor.Alot of times winning has little to do with a player but more the organization,system and of course team.IMO the "winning" thing gained momentum to let more white players shine.

I think the winning thing is more so for the QB position.
 
I will say this I think Revis will be a good cornerback but talking trash about an aging receiver isnt gonna give you points in my book......I mean Moss can still ball but I will guarantee that he wouldnt open his mouth on a younger Moss.....especially if Moss would of had a legit quarterback for most of his career...

Moss wasn't this unstoppable force. He was too lazy to develop his game to become as unstoppable force (like Jerry Rice). Moss's weakness has always been lack of physicality. You clowns conveniently forget when he was on the Raiders and didn't, more so refused to do jack shit. Rice on the other hand made the most out of the situation when he went to the Raiders gave life to an old QB in Rich Gannon. So Revis would have had the same success with Moss 10 years ago.
 
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