man FJP if you respond to this idiocy than youre just as much of fool as he is
I cant lie man Im a debater I wanna crush that stupid ass argument so bad.
I'm just not understanding...why can't Cris Carter get in da HOF?!?!?
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I cant lie man Im a debater I wanna crush that stupid ass argument so bad.
man FJP if you respond to this idiocy than youre just as much of fool as he is
Cowboy fans just don't want to hear the truth! He didn't deserve to be in the Hall! The playoffs have nothing to do with getting in in the first place. There are plenty of players who got in that never played in the playoffs or never did much to get in. ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO TRY TO SAY THAT IRVING NUMBERS ARE MBETTER THAN AVERAGE?
i will ask you this question one more time
what kind of offense did Irvin play in?????
Alright fuck it....you baited me. Did you just say the playoffs have nothing to do with it?
Again...336 rec. 5,462yds 16.3ypc 51TDs Those are Lynn Swanns stats. Shit worst than eveyrbody in question. Yet Swann...first ballot. Because of POSTSEASON success...winning EVERYTHING. To get in with no postseason success a player has to be utterly dominant to the point you cant ignore...EXAMPLE Barry Sanders. Barry with a couple rings would probably be considered the greatest player ever. At the same time he was so dominant, he had to get in. His impact. The way he changed the entire gameplan of the other team...was hall worthy.
So dominant that they didn't win shit
how many CONFERENCE TITLE RINGS DOES CRIS CARTER HAVE??
Alright fuck it....you baited me. Did you just say the playoffs have nothing to do with it?
Again...336 rec. 5,462yds 16.3ypc 51TDs Those are Lynn Swanns stats. Shit worst than eveyrbody in question. Yet Swann...first ballot. Because of POSTSEASON success...winning EVERYTHING. To get in with no postseason success a player has to be utterly dominant to the point you cant ignore...EXAMPLE Barry Sanders. Barry with a couple rings would probably be considered the greatest player ever. At the same time he was so dominant, he had to get in. His impact. The way he changed the entire gameplan of the other team...was hall worthy.
Swann and the rest of the guys on those steeler teams got in solely because they were the first dinasty. I never thought that Swann should have been a HOF!!
The HAll is only about numbers!! Not playoff or superbowl wins! Solely what a player has done in his individual career. And I will say it as long as you do not wish to accept it but Irvings #'s were just average. He and Clark are almost identical in every category even down to the # of pro bowls (5) each and the # of 1st team all pro selections (1) each. They both have had playoff success and multiple rings, so if #'s are what get you in why isn't Clark even being considered?
WoW, I agree!!!! they did him dirty... u know he's pissed!
Fuck Cris Carter. Ever since he said on InsideThe NFL when it was on HBO that he should go into the HOF before Art Monk, I lose some respect for him.
Before all these cats started doing their thing, there was Art Monk!
and it took him that long to get in...make the Bama wait!!
Before all these cats started doing their thing, there was Art Monk!
and it took him that long to get in...make the Bama wait!!
The hall is NOT only about numbers, thats why you keep missing the damn point. At no point does it say that. The hall honors the greats who have given great contributions to the sport... Super Bowl wins are the biggest contribution a player can have outside of stats. Not just stats, what did your stats mean. Clark wont get in because he wasnt the preimminent WR threat on his own team, Monk was... Not one time did I say Irvin had exceptional numbers...but he was an exceptional contributor to an exceptional team.
Moss had a larger impact. Carter was definitely a better all around WR...However Moss was WAY more dominant at the position. Far more. Moss was the most feared player at his position for damn near half his career. Atleast Moss has gone to the Super Bowl. A player that is on a team that doesnt win means alot. Look at how marinos legacy is hindered by not winning.
Well ok man, you keep thinking that......while you wait for Gary Clark to get in the hall
Don't you realize that Moss was able to do what he did in Minn because he had Carter on the other side of him? Moss hasn't come close to doing what he did in Minn since. The Pats could have had me @ the wr spot and still gone to the superbowl. Moss was not the reason they got there. Didn't they get there with Troy Brown and some other no name wr? Moss won't get in the Hall! You know all they are gonna say is he didn't play hard every play and never duplicated the #'s he did when he had Carter on the field with him.
Irvin was a regular for 8 years. Over those 8 straight years he averaged 83 catches, 1,300 Yards (15.7 Avg.) and 6 TDs per year (while also winning Super Bowls). That's WAY above "average" for ANY receiver, nevermind a tough, possession type one.
Moss was the beneficiary of Chris Carter?????
so they double teamed Carter for years huh and just let randy run free???
child please!!!!!!!!!!1
and Moss hasnt done anything with Tom Brady huh???
dude just stop
youre funny as fuck
So Moss didnt break the Receiving TD record in 2007 on New England? No ONE player is the reason any team makes it to the Super Bowl. But when you contribute GREATLY to a great team, you reap the accolades. Bottom line is Moss has continued his great numbers well after Carter. Carter been gone since 2002 its 8 years later and Moss is still top 7-8. Moss has more than earned his keep.
And don't forget Jake Reed. Jake had 4 straight 1000 yard seasons.
I'm a HUGE Sanders fan, and sadly, I have to co sign this. Being that Irvin made his living across the middle, that was too much contact for Prime.
Just talked to a reporter from espn.com who use to come on my show and talk eagle's football and he told me that the reason Carter didn't get in is because Rice was on the ballot and he was definitely gonna be a 1st ballot inductee and they were only gonna pick one WR. Carter will go in next year.
Or what???
Irvin wasn't a perfect route runner. That nigga was "Captain Push-Off".
Receivers who ABUSED Deion (in no particular order):
Jerry Rice
John Taylor
Chris Carter
Andre Reed
Art Monk
Jake Reed
Don Bebe
Sterling Sharpe
Jame Lofton
There were at least a dozen receivers on his level (or superior) from his era, including Irving Fryar (851 Receptions, 12,750 Yards, 84 TDs). He can take a number and wait in line (forever).
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class of 2011:
M. Faulk
D. Sanders
T. Brown
C. Carter
C. Haley
+1 from the old-timers pool
thoughts?
M. Faulk
D. Sanders
T. Brown
C. Carter
C. Haley
+1 from the old-timers pool
thoughts?
Sanders and Faulk should be considered shoo-ins. The other 3 are well-deserving, but will have to battle it out with the other holdovers.
And you left out some things too. How many rings does Clark have?
Swann shouldnt be there. He's proof that the voters fuck up sometime. Dude was a kiss ass who benefited from being a media guy and politic's.
What kind of offense did Clark play in?
Not a shot in hell.
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