"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!" -Joe Biden @ Charlamagne tha God
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I don't mind white people being on here, if they have something positive to add to the conversation. I wouldn't hop on a neighborhood's Mom Like To Knit facebook group, and just talk shit to everyone there.
I agree that we are always behind the eight ball when it comes to one action: strategy.
And we have to stop acting like voting is the sh!t! It’s not.
In fact, it is the least political thing you can do for it is ONE action ONE day every two years.
We need to educate our people on the ENTIRE political process.
Our ancestors wanted us to be liberated. For what they knew at that time, the path appeared to be voting. The path to liberation has changed due to so much disinformation on the front end.
You ain’t sh!t, LOL!
Man, if you only work with Black people, you never really know us. You not going to our home, eating in our home, spending time in our worship spaces on a consistent basis, they just visitors, no matter how much of an ally they seem.
Bottom line: no white person in politics is ever going to right the wrongs of America and honor an African descended American agenda.
It’s a bit mor nuanced than that.
He is comparing himself to Trump but not comparing himself to where “the movement” of our community should be.
Neither choice benefits is. No presidential choice has benefited us.
We are choosing between two masters every 4 years and are too complacent to force a new system.
Joe don’t mean no harm, NUT, plenty of white people in America have said and done sh!t that did not mean no harm, yet here we are.
Period.
You know the deal. “He meant well.”
Period.
Yup. Hate gon’ show up to the polls though.
I concur with this strategy.
Thank you for coming out, GOD bless, and good night!
Straight, no chaser.
You just said a mouthful, Bruh.
Everybody talking about we can’t do 4 more years of Trump.
Really? Black people have been here since BEFORE the first president and they were all MORE racist than Trump, yet here we are.
This system has to be BURNED...DOWN and rebuilt.
It was NEVER, EVER built to include us. Got to make a system for us that takes full advantage of our communities.
I tell you what. Trump showed you who America always have been.
These people would have never surfaced, to remind us this is still our parents, grandparents, and ancestors America, if Hillary won the nomination.
We don’t want to admit it: Baby Boomers dropped the first ball and Gen X had to unlearn so much of their bullish!t giving the “impression” things had gotten better.
I understand why they did it, but it crippled us.
Vote with your WALLET! It is the only way to liberation.
Political power is WORTHLESS without economic power.
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Correction: Withholding your Vote... is NOT a demand.
It is not a demand because those very same people running for office.... WILL STILL GET ELECTED..... even if YOU (personally) NEVER show up to the polls on election day. That's how the voting process works.
The type of 'demand' (or result) you actually want to happen (or think will happen)... is 'shutting down ALL the voting machines... so that NOBODY ELSE can vote. Understand?
But that's never going to happen.
Ya'll are better off BOYCOTTING a certain industry... instead of not voting.
Do what MLK did. Start a "bus boycott" or some shit.
That would sooner result in "tangibles' & have a bigger impact than.... "not voting at all".
I don't know pimp, remember that dude that killed Jewish people in church a few years back? They would still be out there if Hillary had won.
My only concern is we don't know how many die-hard conservative gun touting cacs there are out there, even if Joe wins and most likely he will it's not like they'll disappear tomorrow morning. They'll continue to get frustrated by the "left" and cause problems...
This needs to be broken out into a separate thread and thoroughly discussed.
We concern ourselves with religious indoctrination and have a pretty good handle on its negative affects as far as this board goes for the past 25 years.
Political indoctrination, not so much.
In what way?
But we are.
My Dad and I talk a couple of times every week. He loves the Lord, football, and politics. I allow it. He’s my Pops.
Anyway, he turned 3 quarters of a century in July. Born slap dab in the middle of Jim Crow IN Alabama.
Let him tell it, it was bad. Not as bad as many places, but bad nonetheless. He uses the word to describe them the most as “low down.”
The lynchings. The burnings. The bombing. The signs.
He said it is different now, maybe worse, because we always saw it coming because you could be out with it like that then. Now, though, everything is baked into the system AND they are being out in the open with it on film and still don’t give a f*ck.
I myself will always believe the closer you get to the years of slavery, the worse it was. However, the gun has intensified and replaced the rope. Injustice is swift. Thanks to social media, you and I are surviving public lynchings. I don’t think we get that.
Just because we suffer “better” than we did during Jim Crow, doesn’t mean we are better off. With what we now have access to, we are much farther behind than we should be.
Man, I am with you, but buddy is right about self esteem.
We need to familiarize ourselves with Dr. Amos Wilson, Dr. Marimba Ani, Dr. Daniel Black, any and all prominent Black (child) psychologists and psychiatrists.
Man, that Eurocentric thought process was HERE when our ancestors got here. We have been raised under it for centuries. Eurocentric conditioning has been very effective.
I thank GOD everyday I am free. That I subscribe to spirituality and not religion. That I subscribe to a conscious mindset and not a religious mindset. I thank GOD I always questioned, and not enough of that, what didn’t make logical sense.
I say all that to say, Man, our minds are not suppose to make it out. Period. You have to be so strong and driven mentally to break those chains it is nothing short of miraculous.
We spend our lives, at different rates of speed, eliminating ourselves from white culture validation And if it affects anything, it affects the identity politics of voting.
This is the most important post in the thread.Nah, disagree, the 'disconnect' comes from the fact that there are some folks who may believe that "change".... and "reparations"... will most likely come from putting pressure on the establishment. Not from sitting out elections.
And the 2 types of PRESSURE I am talking about are...
1) Financial PRESSURE >>> that comes from organized nonviolent actions (like boycotts) like what MLK did.
2) Or Financial INFLUENCE >>> that comes from Lobbying to get what you want.
Here you go....
Look at The NAACP for example... they are the LARGEST, ORGANIZED (SPECIAL INTEREST) POLITICAL GROUP THAT LOBBIES ON BEHALF of the BLACK COMMUNITY.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2019&id=D000054075
Look at how much the NAACP spent on Lobbying efforts to enact change...... only $550k in 2019.
The reality is that big companies, labor unions, trade associations and other influential organizations spend billions of dollars each year to lobby Congress and federal agencies. Some special interests retain lobbying firms, while others have lobbyists working in-house.
Look at The National Association of Realtors, for example.
They are the #2 on this list of the "Biggest Spenders" on Lobbying.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-spenders
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ord-26-million-on-lobbying-amid-state-battles
Since 1998, the Realtors have spent WELL OVER $600 MILLION DOLLARS in Lobbying, trying to influence government policy.
Compare that number to the NAACP's efforts since 1998... the MOST that the NAACP has ever spent in a single year is LESS than $1 Million Dollars in lobbying.. which means that the NAACP has probably spent LESS than $12 Million Dollars (total) in Lobbying since 1998.
Over $600+ Million.... versus... Less than $12 Million.
Exactly who is going to be getting 'their calls answered' FIRST on Capital Hill??
Especially when the National Association of Realtors is just ONE 'special interest' group.
And there are literally THOUSANDS of 'special interest' groups that have Lobbyists working together.
So while all these other special interest groups are spending THAT kind of money to get their needs addressed.... exactly HOW does 'sitting out the election' begin to INFLUENCE anyone on Capital Hill to address your own issues? Hmm? Do tell.
One of the biggest problems is that some of ya'll are quick to DISMISS the black folks who realize that YES, "we need restorative justice through our government"... but we also recognize that SITTING ON YOUR ASS & NOT VOTING ACCOMPLISHES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TOWARD ANY OF THOSE OBJECTIVES & ISSUES THAT YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT.
It literally has the opposite effect when everyone else's vote is cast on Election Day... but not yours.
Very unfortunate.
You discussed how we should have been taught Civics in high school: Ninja, if you gonna teach me about voting then you need to teach me about lobbying.
You nailed it.
Even during the civil rights era, there was always a group acting as a fund to talk to the movement before we could even vote. We need think tanks fully funded to bully these politicians, period.
Everybody needs to watch Oliver Stone’s The Untold History of the United States.
Everybody needs to watch Get Me Roger Stone.
Just watch it.
Trust me...
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Reading through this thread is hilarious!
Did the term “coon” get a new definition in 2020?!
The coons are calling other people coons in here.
Shit’s confusing and funny at the same time.
Did the term “coon” get a new definition in 2020?!
The coons are calling other people coons in here.
Shit’s confusing and funny at the same time.
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Maybe joe was right.
Lmao
"just cause you question a side doesnt mean you support the other"
This is exactly the point I was trying to make to you in the Ice Cube thread.
Cedrick didn't exactly "trash" Biden but we all know he was being sly and undercutting him, challenging him. Rightfully so IMO.
UNTIL TRUMP and ALL HIS CRONIES and SYCOPHANTS AND FAMILY are EXCOMMUNICATED from the White House?
UNTIL HE is CHARGED FORMALLY OF ALL HIS CRIMES
AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS ARE CHASED BACK INTO THE SHADOWS?
UNTIL ALL THESE BLACK CELEBRITIES WHO SIDED WITH THE ENEMY ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?
UNTIL WE CONTINUE TO VOTE IN MID TERMS AND LOCAL ELECTIONS?
UNTIL WE HOLD THESE MEDIA OUTLETS, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS and CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE?
UNTIL THE DNC RECOGNIZE BLACK ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM
UNTIL HE is CHARGED FORMALLY OF ALL HIS CRIMES
AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS ARE CHASED BACK INTO THE SHADOWS?
UNTIL ALL THESE BLACK CELEBRITIES WHO SIDED WITH THE ENEMY ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?
UNTIL WE CONTINUE TO VOTE IN MID TERMS AND LOCAL ELECTIONS?
UNTIL WE HOLD THESE MEDIA OUTLETS, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS and CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE?
UNTIL THE DNC RECOGNIZE BLACK ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM
Shit in my opinion, all politicians are SNAKES. White or Black unless they putting in work like Marion Berry did....
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