Naaaah, I feel you in terms of your so-called different invocations, LOL... I just don't think what you have done with this thread fits the bill. So my question to you, on the converse, is do you believe your alternative invocations are valid just because you say that they are? The brother who DOES agree with you, at least partially, even said you have the duty to place your "alternative invocations" within a common context in order to have them appreciated and properly digested.
So...
For example...
If you wish to prove that the earth is either a "cylandrical disc" (and what the fuck is that? A cylander is a CYLANDER and a disc is a DISC --?????) or 2-dimentionally flat with the sun rotating around it or whatever? You have to first of all disassemble the conventionally accepted scientific consensus that the earth is an imperfect (oblong shaped) sphere that revolves around the sun like all other bodies in the solar system. Then you will have to prove how the model of the solar system you propose functions better than the accepted notions. I mean you started this thread questioning the lunar landing. Well, the entire aeronautical and nautical industries in modern times, ballistic weapons technology and so on are based upon the model of the earth and all of it's surrounding spheres (The earth is more than just "terra-forma", but the atmosphere, magnetosphere, etc, etc, etc...) being round.
I mean even with a lava lamp, you have a fluid material, bubbling inside of another fluid material. Where the former mentioned fluid material can be seen to function as like the protomaterial that forms the earth in the weightlessness, or relative weightlessness of the fluid in the lava lamp. It doesn't form a disc or a cylander. It forms in globs. This seems to be the universal format for maleable material floating within a relatively or completely weightless environment. Thus celestial bodies are some diverse form of a sphere, whether perfectly or imperfectly formed.
So what? Do you mean to imply that the earth is a DELIBERATE (only thousands years old) design created by a higher life form? Complete with ready made deceptions that would cause us lower life forms to be DECIEVED into thinking this devinely inspired, created craft comes off as and functions like a sphere? A more deliberate shape meant to imply something other than the perfection of a circle or sphere???
LOL...
Look, let me toss this out to you:
Why do YOU find it easier to believe that the controlling minority would expend SO many resources and effort into creating this deception? Instead of finding some way to make the supposed truth work for them? You have to labor yourself to prove this too.
HOWEVER, before doing so you propose that this minority of folk who taught YOU these ideas and theories you want us to believe. Okay? Is somehow innocent and only interested in spreading truth and understanding, in an effort to enlighten people, right? As opposed to being the conspiratorial scammers themselves?
Dude it is much more ECONOMICAL and frugal to fool a minority then it is to dupe a majority. People like to talk about conspiracies and hoaxes but I wonder what is your practical experience with the same. It's not that easy, really. All it takes is a small ratio of folks out of a given number to question and inspire a larger ratio into suspicion. Than eventually all hell breaks loose. It really isn't worth it. Not to say it doesn't happen, because it does. But for more practical and immediate rewards, not this shit you are proposing in this thread. Thus, ANOTHER burden of truth that rests on YOUR sholders: Explaining to us "sheep" why it is so important for us to continue believing in the institutional baseed deceptions you have presented to us...
Now conning and scamming a minority or smaller group is easier and more immediately rewarding. Thus religious con men and door to door scammers on other levels experience the level of success that they often do. It is much more rewarding and a thousand or so times more likely...
Don't challenge other people into questioning their beliefs until you are prepared to question your own dude...
THIS is where you fail and on multiple levels...
Or at lest that is what I would say, LOL...