If THIS aint a clear ADMISSION THE MOON LANDING WAS FAKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!

Lol, you had me going for a minute. Now I know even you dont believe in the theory you introduced us to. Hey its alright, there are lost of unexplained phenomena out there, no one has all the answers. Maybe our purpose here is to strive to find them all.
dog i was very serious. look.

You & I see the Horizon (curvature) at ground level and so does everyone grounded on the flat earth. According to scientists the Horizon would appear at a distance of 2.89 miles for an observers on the ground with eye-level at h = 5 ft 7. Flying in an airplane at 34,000 feet I should be able to capture that curvature with my camera lens. No-one has, no-one will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8775/bottomcq9.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9598/middlevs9.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3789/topwz9.jpg

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That leads to the idea that our 3-dimensional perspective of the universe might actually be 'fake'. We are actually in a finite universe, yet it appears infinite from our perspective.

How this universe would actually look to a 4-dimensional being is beyond our capability to fully comprehend, as we are not yet on a level where we can interact effectively with the 4th dimension, even though we are aware of it and are influenced by it (time/space).

http://www.pufoin.com/pufoin_perspective/ascension1.php


I do agree with this..
 
Temperature on Mars = 70 ºF -- Temperature on Venus = 872.6 ºF -- Earth is in between, HAHAHAHAHA, LOL, HAHAHAHAHA, ROTF, HAHAHAHAHA.

- VENUS: 108,200,000 km from Sun

- EARTH: 149,600,000 km from Sun

- MARS: 227,940,000 km from Sun

http://www.nineplanets.org/mars.html

MARS — Temperature: 21 ºC = 70 ºF

VENUS — Temperature: 467 ºC = 872.6 ºF

http://quest.nasa.gov/aero/planetary/mars.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus

Venus has an extremely dense atmosphere, which consists mainly of carbon dioxide and a small amount of nitrogen. The atmospheric mass is 93 times that of Earth's atmosphere while the pressure at the planet's surface is about 92 times that at Earth's surface—a pressure equivalent to that at a depth of nearly 1 kilometer under Earth's oceans. The density at the surface is 65 kg/m³ (6.5% that of water). The CO2-rich atmosphere, along with thick clouds of sulfur dioxide, generates the strongest greenhouse effect in the solar system, creating surface temperatures of over 460 °C (860 °F).[28] This makes Venus's surface hotter than Mercury's which has a minimum surface temperature of -220 °C and maximum surface temperature of 420 °C, even though Venus is nearly twice Mercury's distance from the Sun and receives only 25% of Mercury's solar irradiance.
 
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm


EXPERIMENT 1.

A boat, with a flag-staff, the top of the flag 5 feet above the surface of the water, was directed to sail from a place called "Welche's Dam" (a well-known ferry passage), to another called "Welney Bridge." These two points are six statute miles apart. The author, with a good telescope, went into the water; and with the eye about 8 inches above the surface, observed the receding boat during the whole period required to sail to Welney Bridge. The flag and the boat were distinctly visible throughout the whole distance! There could be no

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mistake as to the distance passed over, as the man in charge of the boat had instructions to lift one of his oars to the top of the arch the moment he reached the bridge. The experiment commenced about three o'clock in the afternoon of a summer's day, and the sun was shining brightly and nearly behind or against the boat during the whole of its passage. Every necessary condition had been fulfilled, and the result was to the last degree definite and satisfactory. The conclusion was unavoidable that the surface of the water for a length of six miles did not to any appreciable extent decline or curvate downwards from the line of sight. But if the earth is a globe, the surface of the six miles length of water would have been 6 feet higher in the centre than at the two extremities, as shown in diagram fig. 2; but as the telescope was only 8 inches above the





AIR INDIA ROUTE MAP

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/West_Asia/Air_India.shtml


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What i see or dont see in the horizon with a camera lens doesnt matter. The north and sourth pole (around the world, for you), have both been flown over and mapped out. And Ive never heard of a plane falling off the end of the world.
 
dog i was very serious. look.

You & I see the Horizon (curvature) at ground level and so does everyone grounded on the flat earth. According to scientists the Horizon would appear at a distance of 2.89 miles for an observers on the ground with eye-level at h = 5 ft 7. Flying in an airplane at 34,000 feet I should be able to capture that curvature with my camera lens. No-one has, no-one will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8775/bottomcq9.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9598/middlevs9.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3789/topwz9.jpg

nwkp5t.jpg

http://artsonearth.com/2008/08/beautiful-stunning-bridges-around-world.html

Verrazano-Narrows Bridge: Named after Giovanni da Verrazano, the first man to sail into New York Harbour, the Verrazano-Narrows bridge connects Brooklyn and Staten Island, and was the world’s longest suspension bridge upon completion in 1964. Each of the enormous towers weighs 27,000 tonnes, and they are further apart from one another at their tops than at their bases, as the 4,260ft distance between them forced construction to compensate for the earth’s curvature.
 
Gravity is a force that pulls an object towards a more massive object, it does not make objects "fall".

The waters of the ocean are pulled towards the Earth, which is why they don't "fall off".

There is no up or down in space, the gravitational force of the Earth keeps you on the ground no matter what part of the Earth you're on.

I don't know how it can be any simpler than that.
 
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za06.htm


EXPERIMENT 1.

A boat, with a flag-staff, the top of the flag 5 feet above the surface of the water, was directed to sail from a place called "Welche's Dam" (a well-known ferry passage), to another called "Welney Bridge." These two points are six statute miles apart. The author, with a good telescope, went into the water; and with the eye about 8 inches above the surface, observed the receding boat during the whole period required to sail to Welney Bridge. The flag and the boat were distinctly visible throughout the whole distance! There could be no

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mistake as to the distance passed over, as the man in charge of the boat had instructions to lift one of his oars to the top of the arch the moment he reached the bridge. The experiment commenced about three o'clock in the afternoon of a summer's day, and the sun was shining brightly and nearly behind or against the boat during the whole of its passage. Every necessary condition had been fulfilled, and the result was to the last degree definite and satisfactory. The conclusion was unavoidable that the surface of the water for a length of six miles did not to any appreciable extent decline or curvate downwards from the line of sight. But if the earth is a globe, the surface of the six miles length of water would have been 6 feet higher in the centre than at the two extremities, as shown in diagram fig. 2; but as the telescope was only 8 inches above the





AIR INDIA ROUTE MAP

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/West_Asia/Air_India.shtml


Air_India.gif

Could you please explain why you posted that map?

And i notice you keep avoiding a lot of good questions.
 
Why does Your Compass Points to the North Pole?

because its the Abyss that leads to the bottomless (gravity).

The bottomless is the greatest force of attraction and because the Abyss was designed at the center of a flat Earth to serve a purpose, your compass points to the center of the Earth. The needle of a compass will always pull towards this center, the so-called North pole, and the needle will always point downwards, here's why.

[true north is not at the same point on the earth as the magnetic north Pole which is where your compass points] http://www.ussartf.org/compass_basics.htm

Your compass doesn't point North, it points to the Abyss!

Science tells us that the North pole is magnetizes due to the following; the planet spins of her axis and produces this effect, others; its the hot, liquid, outer iron core of the Earth that creates this magnetic pull, I say "BULLSHIT!"

1)"Spinning in outer space?" In the "nothingness" will produce nothing, in fact, the poles of this hypothetical sphere will have the least of grounds moving or turning producing the least of anything suspended in an orbit of nothingness, and besides, what of the atmosphere that encompasses the whole globe, the poles under this umbrella will be no different then any other region of the sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole

2)Science also tells you that under the Ice Cap of the North pole is water running beneath it, "so where is the attraction coming from?" Not the ice, that's just solid water, no magnets there, not the water underneath it, that too is just water, and 3 miles deep at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is like the beach you walk on vacation, and don't tell me the hot, liquid, outer iron core on the ocean floor creates the cold condition above it, or the attraction!

http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor3.htm
 
Could you please explain why you posted that map?

And i notice you keep avoiding a lot of good questions.
hell no i'm not avoiding good questions, i'm not answering your irrelevant questions. "what is your purpose of posting this?" is not a relevant question to me. read the information and associate it with the debate. then ask me some pertinent questions. i don't have time to go back and forth with you anyway. you haven't said anything im interested in.
 
I present to you, the curvature of the Earth as viewed from a mountaintop...

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You say that the powers that be have to say the earth is sperical to preserve religion, but it was religion itself that persecuted anyone that said the earth was round and not the center of the universe...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of philosophers and astronomers still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth remains motionless at the centre of the universe.

After 1610, when he began supporting heliocentrism publicly, he met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and two of the latter eventually denounced him to the Roman Inquisition early in 1615. Although he was cleared of any offence at that time, the Catholic Church nevertheless condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" in February 1616,[8] and Galileo was warned to abandon his support for it—which he promised to do.

When he later defended his views in his most famous work, Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, published in 1632, he was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy," forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
 
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hell no i'm not avoiding good questions, i'm not answering your irrelevant questions. "what is your purpose of posting this?" is not a relevant question to me. read the information and associate it with the debate. then ask me some pertinent questions. i don't have time to go back and forth with you anyway. you haven't said anything im interested in.

And a simple question such as "do you fall off into space at the end of your bowl"? is not relevant enough for you?
 
Why does Your Compass Points to the North Pole?

because its the Abyss that leads to the bottomless (gravity).

The bottomless is the greatest force of attraction and because the Abyss was designed at the center of a flat Earth to serve a purpose, your compass points to the center of the Earth. The needle of a compass will always pull towards this center, the so-called North pole, and the needle will always point downwards, here's why.

[true north is not at the same point on the earth as the magnetic north Pole which is where your compass points] http://www.ussartf.org/compass_basics.htm

Your compass doesn't point North, it points to the Abyss!

Science tells us that the North pole is magnetizes due to the following; the planet spins of her axis and produces this effect, others; its the hot, liquid, outer iron core of the Earth that creates this magnetic pull, I say "BULLSHIT!"

1)"Spinning in outer space?" In the "nothingness" will produce nothing, in fact, the poles of this hypothetical sphere will have the least of grounds moving or turning producing the least of anything suspended in an orbit of nothingness, and besides, what of the atmosphere that encompasses the whole globe, the poles under this umbrella will be no different then any other region of the sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole

2)Science also tells you that under the Ice Cap of the North pole is water running beneath it, "so where is the attraction coming from?" Not the ice, that's just solid water, no magnets there, not the water underneath it, that too is just water, and 3 miles deep at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is like the beach you walk on vacation, and don't tell me the hot, liquid, outer iron core on the ocean floor creates the cold condition above it, or the attraction!

http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor3.htm

You don't believe there can be spinning in outer space but you believe the sun can constantly travel in a circle around the earth?


flatmap.jpg


This picture depicts the moon as farther away than the sun. How do you explain solar eclipses then. While you're at it, explain lunar eclipses.
 
Why does Your Compass Points to the North Pole?

because its the Abyss that leads to the bottomless (gravity).

The bottomless is the greatest force of attraction and because the Abyss was designed at the center of a flat Earth to serve a purpose, your compass points to the center of the Earth. The needle of a compass will always pull towards this center, the so-called North pole, and the needle will always point downwards, here's why.

[true north is not at the same point on the earth as the magnetic north Pole which is where your compass points] http://www.ussartf.org/compass_basics.htm

Your compass doesn't point North, it points to the Abyss!

Science tells us that the North pole is magnetizes due to the following; the planet spins of her axis and produces this effect, others; its the hot, liquid, outer iron core of the Earth that creates this magnetic pull, I say "BULLSHIT!"

1)"Spinning in outer space?" In the "nothingness" will produce nothing, in fact, the poles of this hypothetical sphere will have the least of grounds moving or turning producing the least of anything suspended in an orbit of nothingness, and besides, what of the atmosphere that encompasses the whole globe, the poles under this umbrella will be no different then any other region of the sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole

2)Science also tells you that under the Ice Cap of the North pole is water running beneath it, "so where is the attraction coming from?" Not the ice, that's just solid water, no magnets there, not the water underneath it, that too is just water, and 3 miles deep at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is like the beach you walk on vacation, and don't tell me the hot, liquid, outer iron core on the ocean floor creates the cold condition above it, or the attraction!

http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor3.htm

No science doesn't tell us the north pole is magnetized at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

The magnetic poles are the two positions on the Earth's surface where the magnetic field is entirely vertical. Another way of saying this is that the inclination of the Earth's field is 90° at the North Magnetic Pole and -90° at the South Magnetic Pole.

And did this dude say compasses point to the Abyss?
 
I told my homie, he's a touring musician and has flown all over the world. He laughed at the theory... I'll admit I dont know everything, I just want to "know" if it really really is flat!!:lol:

I had a homie that just got back from Western Australia a few months ago. He flew back and forth from L.A. I just got off the phone whith him and he said it took about 14 hours... Ya'll know im a avid pundit of all "fringe" information. I just want to be debunked so I can believe!!!:cool::eek::lol::dance:

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hell no i'm not avoiding good questions, i'm not answering your irrelevant questions. "what is your purpose of posting this?" is not a relevant question to me. read the information and associate it with the debate. then ask me some pertinent questions. i don't have time to go back and forth with you anyway. you haven't said anything im interested in.

I asked whether you believe that all planets are flat. that's not relevant?
 
http://www.physlink.com/Education/askExperts/ae535.cfm

Question

How can one prove that the world is round?

Asked by: Brenden Brewer

Answer

Earth from spaceNow that we have access to space, the easiest way to prove the Earth is spherical is to leave it and view it from a distance. Astronauts and space probes have done just that. Every picture of Earth ever taken shows only a circular shape, and the only geometric solid which looks like a circle from any direction is a sphere.

One of the oldest proofs of the Earth's shape, however, can be seen from the ground and occurs during every lunar eclipse. The geometry of a lunar eclipse has been known since ancient Greece. When a full Moon occurs in the plane of Earth's orbit, the Moon slowly moves through Earth's shadow. Every time that shadow is seen, its edge is round. Once again, the only solid that always projects a round shadow is a sphere.

Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A., Part-time Physics/Astronomy Instructor


This is a question that has been asked for many years, and there are some very intuitive, and some not-so-intuitive answers.

To start with... there's a horizon, meaning that the surface that one is observing from is not an infinite plane. On the clearest of days, the only restriction to one's range of sight is the horizon. There can be two explanations for this - one, that the Earth at some point just stops, as if you were looking off the edge of a table. The other is that the Earth is round. Hundreds of years ago, before the invention of the compass or sextant, precise navigation for ships was difficult, even with the stars. Ships that ventured past sight of land were often lost, and thus it was generally believed that the world simply *stopped* at the end of the horizon. With the invention of the compass, and improved map-making, people began to dare more, and with the return of Columbus from his trans-Atlantic voyage, the concept of the Earth as flat was shattered.

Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus. When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical. If the Earth were not round, whole hemispheres would have different atmospheric pressure and significantly different sea levels. Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round. These are just the arguments that don't require much physics knowledge to explain, there are others that are more technical, but I think that the simplest arguments are the best.

Answered by: Frank DiBonaventuro, B.S., Physics grad, The Citadel, Air Force officer


There are a multitude of methods in which any one can prove that the earth is a sphere. These are the most common.

You can launch a rocket to a high altitude and take pictures of the earth (which various government agencies and private groups have already done thousands of times in the past), but that isn't the most practical way. Pictures and videos taken by orbiting satellites and space stations are certainly the most definitive proof that the earth is a sphere.

But if you're not convinced, read on...

You can also observe, with binoculars, ships slowly 'sinking' below the horizon as it sails farther and farther out to the ocean, then watch them come back. They certainly didn't fall off the edge of the earth! You can also sail or fly around the world.

The Greeks discovered that the earth is round by observing lunar eclipses (i.e. when the earth blocks the sun from the moon, casting its round shadow on the moon's surface).

Another method is simultaneously measuring the length of the shadows cast by identical poles perpendicular to a flat surface that is tangential to the earth's radius at various, distant locations. If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface. (This was one of the earliest methods to determine the radius of the earth)

Also, keep in mind the 24 hour time zones. When it is noon in Hawaii, it is approximately midnight in the Middle East and vice versa. How can it be noon and midnight simultaneously? It is certainly impossible with a flat earth and a sun millions of times more massive.

If I were a billionaire and physically fit, then proving to you the earth is round would be no problem. I can just take you with me on the space shuttle and we'll watch with our own eyes the earth from the orbiting International Space Station.

I have heard from astronauts that there is no experience comparable as watching the earth from above.
 
hell no i'm not avoiding good questions, i'm not answering your irrelevant questions. "what is your purpose of posting this?" is not a relevant question to me. read the information and associate it with the debate. then ask me some pertinent questions. i don't have time to go back and forth with you anyway. you haven't said anything im interested in.

I asked whether you believe that all planets are flat. that's not relevant?



Wanting to know if all planets are flat/bowls is relevant tho. is this a planetary norm, or are we the exception to the "rule".
 
You do realize that their is video of Space Shuttles launching into space, videos from the space shuttle and on the ground.

You do realize that the space shuttle flies in orbit around the surface of the earth, and there is video of it.

You do realize that there is a space station where people of different countries have been there, some living there for > 30 days. And it is also in orbit around the earth, and they have pictures and video of the earth's surface. And, Russia was the first to have a Space Station.

You do realize that a compass in the southern hemisphere points to the south pole?

You do realize that the earth's orbit is not round, but elliptical?

How does GPS work if the earth is flat?

You do realize that water is a weightless enviornment, left undisturbed, goes into the shape of a sphere. You do realize that Jupiter is a "gas" planet and you see clouds in the shape of a sphere. You do realize that we have sent satellites into outer space and have looked back at the earth to show us a round earth.
 
Wanting to know if all planets are bowls i relevant tho. is this a planetary norm, or are we the exception to the "rule".

:lol:

Dude refuses to answer that, because he cant claim NASA is lying when anyone with a Telescope can look with their own eyes, and see that all other planets are:

1. Aren't cylinder/bowls/flat/ect
2. Are indeed Spheres
3. Rotate "In the Nothingness of Space"
 
You do realize that their is video of Space Shuttles launching into space, videos from the space shuttle and on the ground.

You do realize that the space shuttle flies in orbit around the surface of the earth, and there is video of it.

You do realize that there is a space station where people of different countries have been there, some living there for > 30 days. And it is also in orbit around the earth, and they have pictures and video of the earth's surface. And, Russia was the first to have a Space Station.

You do realize that a compass in the southern hemisphere points to the south pole?

You do realize that the earth's orbit is not round, but elliptical?

How does GPS work if the earth is flat?

You do realize that water is a weightless enviornment, left undisturbed, goes into the shape of a sphere. You do realize that Jupiter is a "gas" planet and you see clouds in the shape of a sphere. You do realize that we have sent satellites into outer space and have looked back at the earth to show us a round earth.

Not to mention from a gaia perspective all the fruits, vegetables and countless other natural organic things that take on or exibit in some way a circular or spiral motif. It would be be easier for me to believe that the earth was a spiral by looking at nature (Fibonacci sequence etc..) than flat.. very few things in nature are flat. why would the macrocosm be much different!!:confused:
 
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You do realize that their is video of Space Shuttles launching into space, videos from the space shuttle and on the ground.

You do realize that the space shuttle flies in orbit around the surface of the earth, and there is video of it.

You do realize that there is a space station where people of different countries have been there, some living there for > 30 days. And it is also in orbit around the earth, and they have pictures and video of the earth's surface. And, Russia was the first to have a Space Station.

You do realize that a compass in the southern hemisphere points to the south pole?

You do realize that the earth's orbit is not round, but elliptical?

How does GPS work if the earth is flat?

You do realize that water is a weightless enviornment, left undisturbed, goes into the shape of a sphere. You do realize that Jupiter is a "gas" planet and you see clouds in the shape of a sphere. You do realize that we have sent satellites into outer space and have looked back at the earth to show us a round earth.

No. He doesn't.
 
I found some of Dest's peoples

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0

Here are some highlights...


A1: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, rotate at a height of 3000 miles above sea level. As they are spotlights, they only illuminate certain places. This explains why there are nights and days on Earth.

A2: In James McIntyre's model, the sun and the moon are metallic discs. These discs are being held above the Earth by photoelectric effect. See: Photoelectric Suspension Theory.

The stars are at a height of 3100 miles above sea level, which is as far as from San Francisco to Boston.



Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, while others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.




Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A1: In the general model, you would become directly affected by Dark Energy as the Earth is, creating the illusion that you are standing next to the Earth.

A2: In James McIntyre's model, if you were to come into contact with the Universal Accelerator, which is functionally a physical object, you would consequently rise at an accelerating rate equal to that of the Earth. The local effect would be the appearance of just standing next to the Earth. Since nobody knows what the Universal Accelerator looks like, this might not even be distinguishable from just standing on more ground.



Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A1: In the general model, there is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south. Antarctica as a continent does not exist.



Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses and Moon Phases?"

A: A celestial body, known as the antimoon, passes between the sun and moon. This projects a shadow upon the moon.



Q: "How come the travel time by air from South America to New Zealand, via the polar route, is SHORTER than the travel time going North first and then South again?"

A: The airline pilots are guided by their GPS. Remember that satellites don't exist. The replacement data given from pseudolites deliberately throwing distorting all the paths to make it the flights take different times. The curvature of these paths can add or subtract great distances without the overall turning being obvious to someone traveling it.



Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.

PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF.



Q: "How come when I flush my toilet in the northern hemisphere it goes counterclockwise but I have this friend in Australia and when he flushes it goes clockwise?"

A: You're mistaken. On a round Earth, the Coriolis effect adds at most one (counter)clockwise rotation per day; fewer as you get closer to the equator. The water in your toilet/sink/bathtub/funnel spins much faster than that (probably at least once per minute, or 1440 times per day), so the additional/lost rotation from the Coriolis effect wouldn't be noticed.




Quote from: bridget on June 21, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
9/11 happened because the Government started getting a lot of questions why the horizon looks so flat from the WTC towers.
 
De-Streh. I 'm still trying to follow where you stand on this "flat" issue because people keep bringing it up (I've been on these beers for about two hours now - shit is getting fuzzy).

Please, is the Earth flat or no?

If it is, breakdown key points to sway the masses (as well as me).

I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RESEARCH SHIT (LIKE i WOULD NORMALLY DO) RIGHT NOW...

I've got your back on most shit, but right now I'm too hazy... SPELL IT OUT!
 
De-Streh. I feel ya...

For the record, there WAS a cold war...








... but it was concocted...









I think many more would understand where you're coming from if you improve your delivery (not saying mine is all that, but just saying).


You have a very heavy burden, because you see what most don't (due to school & programming). It's very easy to let your emotions hang out (because you'll begin to feel isolated, and will attempt to fight for your sanity).


Adjust your approach somewhat, and concentrate on what others may perceive in your words for more effectiveness.


Even I had a difficult time seeing what your take was (especially with the water/gravity thing)...



... but I understand now.



I'm no Guru or therapist, I'm just calling what I see. YOU ARE STILL RELEVANT, AND NEEDED...







IMPROVE YOUR DELIVERY, OR STAY READY FOR OPPOSITION (which will come anyway) AND REJECTION.






This is your path... (and mine as well).





Quovandxra and Mike123....






You two are knowledge BEASTS!!!!

gotta agree wit ya man
ur all over the place destrehan
i think i know what ur gettin at as far as gravity and water but the flat/bowl earth stuff i just dont follow
But alot of this stuff deserves its own threads
It seems ur excitement and impatience have u all over the place


oh yeah thanks for the compliment
sometimes i get alittle peak at whats in my subconscious
and it only seems right to share what i find:cool:

you're right 100% and i did mean that about the cold war, i know it "happened", but it was largely posturing. and i am still studying this planetary information myself and i didn't even intend to start the debate but i let my excitement about it get the best of me. the funny shit is how people forget that this world was considered "flat" from the gate, and it was changed to "round" by the same people who fought for control of the world and still maintain it. the reason behind it, i've already stated. one of the keys to understanding our existence lies in this secret.


http://ftp.fortunaty.net/com/sacred-texts/earth/za/za22.htm

The sun passes over the earth and returns to the same point in 24 hours. If in 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 56.5 seconds, it passes from the meridian of the Valencia end of the cable to that of its termination at Heart's Content, a distance of 1942 statute miles, how far will it travel in 24 hours? On making the calculation the answer is, 16,265 statute miles. This result is only three miles greater distance than that obtained by the first process.

Again in the Boston Post, for Oct. 30th, 1856, Lieut. Maury gives the following as the correct distances, in geographical miles, across the Atlantic by the various routes (circle sailing).




Nautical
Miles.





Statute
Miles.

Philadelphia to Liverpool


3000


=


3500

New York "


2880


=


3360

Boston "


2720


=


3173

New York to Southampton


2980


=


3476

" to Glasgow


2800


=


3266

Boston to Galway


2520


=


2940

Newfoundland to Galway


1730


=


2018

Boston to Belfast


2620


=


3056

If we take the distance (given in the above table) between Liverpool and New York as 3360 statute miles, and calculate as in the last case, we find a nearly similar result, making allowance for the detour round the south or north of Ireland.

"The difference of time between London and New York

p. 93

which the use of the electric cable makes a matter of some consequence, has latterly been ascertained afresh. It is 4 hours, 55 minutes, 18.95 seconds." 1

The results of these several methods are so nearly alike that the distance 16,262 statute miles may safely be taken as the approximate circumference of the earth at the latitude of Valencia.

If the distance from Valencia to the Cape of Good Hope, or to Cape Horn, had ever been actually measured, not calculated, the circumference of the earth at these points could, of course, be readily ascertained. We cannot admit as evidence the calculated length of a degree of latitude, because this is an amount connected with the theory of the earth's rotundity; which has been proved to be false. We must therefore take known distances between places far south of Valencia, where latitude and longitude have also been carefully observed. In the Australian Almanack for 1871, page 126 2, the distance from Auckland (New Zealand), to Sydney, is given as 1315 miles, nautical measure, which is equal to 1534 statute miles. At page 118 of the Australian Almanack for 1859, Captain Stokes, H.M.S. Acheron, communicates the latitude of Auckland as 36° 50´ 05″, S., and longitude 174° 50´ 40″, E.; latitude of Sydney, 33° 51´ 45″, S., and longitude 151° 16´ 15″, E. The difference in longitude, or time distance, is 23° 34´ 25″, calculating as in the case of Valencia to Newfoundland,

p. 94

we find that as 23° 34´ 25″ represents 1534 statute miles, 360° will give 23,400 statute miles as the circumference of the earth at the latitude of Sydney, Auckland, and the Cape of Good Hope. Hence the radius or distance from the centre of the north to the above places is, in round numbers, 3720 statute miles. Calculating in the same way, we find that from Sydney to the Cape of Good Hope is fully 8600 statute miles.


i'm not all that familiar wit all the sailin stuff
i dont even fuck wit cruise ships lol
but i think iget what ur sayin
theres too close a correlation between the distances for the earth to be a sphere, or something like that.....

but not to throw a monkey wrench in things but does any of this nautical stuff u posted take in to account ocean currents ( just below the surface ), the winds on the sea, the mode of transport used, routes taken, etc

theres a few other variables i'm leavin out but i'm too sleepy to remember


Argument Three - The impossibilities of holding unsecured objects in place on a curved surface

1) Staying on top

Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

2) Falling off

As we begin to make this argument, we acknowledge beforehand that we are aware of the property of matter known as friction. Yes, we realize that whenever two surfaces are held together by any force there will be a static frictional force that will resist any motion by either surface in any direction other than parallel to the force. The example we are using is an extreme situation, and would involve the object in question to travel a considerable distance (tens of degrees of latitude) from the "top" of the planet.

Using the "round Earth" theory, setting an object on the earth would be like setting grains of sand on a beach ball. Certainly a few grains would stay - right around the top, the surface is nearly horizontal - but when you stray too far from the absolute top of the ball, the grains of sand start sliding off and falling onto the ground. The Earth, if round, should behave in exactly the same fashion. Because the top is a very localized region on a sphere, if the Earth were in fact round, there would be only a very small area of land that would be at all inhabitable. Stray to the outside fringes of the "safe zone", and you start walking at a tilt. The further out you go, the more you slant, until your very survival is determined by the tread on your boots. Reach a certain point, and you slide off the face of the planet entirely. Obviously, something is wrong.

In order to avoid the aforementioned scenario, (which obviously is inaccurate, as you very rarely hear of people falling off the face of the planet) we are forced to assume that, in the "round Earth" theory, there would be a gravitational field radiating from the center of the planet. All objects, be they rocks, insects, humans, or other planets would have, under Efimovich's theory, have a gravitational "charge" that would, under a certain alignment, cause them to be attracted to the center of the Earth. Unfortunately, like a magnet in a stronger magnetic field, it would undoubtedly require a long time to re-align an object's gravitational charge, were this the case. And so we go to argument four, which deals with difficulties in having different "downs" for different people.

theres no up or down in space
the theory u use to explain why objects would stay put on a curved/bowl earth would work just as well on a spherical earth.


here is no indication that the early Egyptians attempted to offer explanations, other than mythical poetic, for the movements of the heavenly bodies. An early Egyptian conception was that the universe is a rectangular box. The Earth is slightly concave and sits at the bottom of the box. The sky is the top of the box, and it is supported by the peaks of four mountains located at the corners of the flat Earth. A river flows around the Earth, and carries the boat of the sun god. There was a belief that the universe came into existence from the primordial chaos of the waters, and that the heavens, Earth, and other natural objects and forces were personalized as gods. Nut, the sky goddess, arched over the flat earth with her four limbs supporting her.

Shu, god of air, lifted Nut with his two hands. Nut gives birth to the stars every evening. In some depictions of Nut, astronomical tables of star risings are tattooed on her body. There apparently were no attempts (other than mythological) to explain the motion of the heavenly bodies, even though accurate observations were made.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cach...perate+in+flat+earth&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

U gotta be careful when it comes to knowledge from the ancients, especial egypt. Everything with them was code and metaphor. and the same goes for most other ancient societies. Dont let the excitement of new knowledge blind u

I'm talking about the edge. If the planet is flat there must be an edge like there are in the pictures you posted as "evidence". if someone travels in a straight line, he/she would eventually come to the edge of the world and eventually fall off.

heres onna dem variables i forgot about
people who do alot of travelin cant really be keepin the secret
and if large chunks of the world are in on the flat/bowl earth secret
and all it takes to be in is to the some flyin around
then is this really being concealed?




Do you also acknowledge the hollow earth theory? If so how does that intertwine with this? do the giants live on the "outside" of the bowl? whats on the other "under"side of the bowl?

Hollow_Earth.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPY1oumwu6c

why u have to go an do that
i'm tryin to get to sleep before the sun comes up

yall gonna make me go diggin in my old bookmarks.....

How did this thread become about the earth!! :lol:


ya know:lol:

since i said i'd find my copy of the vid here it is
 
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