If Sade Adu was not half white.......

Sade never sung a song as beautiful as this, or as beautifully,
and yet Mpongo Love lived and died and none of you cared
to know about her....

 
........If the merit of the music was the issue, there are a lot more
African women who are better at that...but you would never listen
to them; they do not have white features
Not so sure about that...

I love this song.



And this is what Bahamadia looks like:

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Not so sure about that...

I love this song.



And this is what Bahamadia looks like:

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Does Sade sing Hip Hop?

If not, how is this a factor in this equation..

And someone actually had the nerve to talk
about terrible production... You cannot hear
what she is saying; it seems there are horns
in the background, and there is a poorly played
bass guitar, drums played in that "tap...tap...
tap" way black Americans play drums...
I mean the whole thing is bereft of richness
 
You either did not read a word that I wrote or you're just sticking to your little stupid troll agenda as usual.
Honestly, you should just stick to dick watching. African musicians don't need your sorry shit.


Translation= she looks white, we are going to identify with her; even if
she comes from Africa where there are better female musicians we
ignore as a rule
 
Since some of you appear to be confused about what a great
band is, let me demostrate. This mama Tshala Muana and
her band Destiny Mutuashi. Please watch all 9:45 minutes of
this classic song, Dinanga, before you say anything else.


 
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specifically talking about sade, this thread is bullshit.

people don't like sade because she's half white, people like her because of the music.


which is in part due to her band which as a whole is called SADE.


You getting side eyes for this. :hmm:
You do not anything about music. For example, how many
strings are on a 6 string Gibson guitar?
 
You either did not read a word that I wrote or you're just sticking to your little stupid troll agenda as usual.
Honestly, you should just stick to dick watching. African musicians don't need your sorry shit.
We were having a civil debate, until ignorant people like you came
in and tried to disseminate bullshit
 
Does Sade sing Hip Hop?

If not, how is this a factor in this equation..

And someone actually had the nerve to talk
about terrible production... You cannot hear
what she is saying; it seems there are horns
in the background, and there is a poorly played
bass guitar, drums played in that "tap...tap...
tap" way black Americans play drums...
I mean the whole thing is bereft of richness

The focus of your argument was Sade would not have been a success if she didn't have Eurocentric features. I countered that I liked Sade for the band not the face on the package. Then I provided an example of an Afrocentric artist with the same band and commented on how I liked that song. Its not the genre. Its not how the person looks. Its the BAND!!!! Now as far as the quality of the playing, I'm not a musician. It sounds good to my untrained ears because of the mood and tone of the music. That's what matters to me. There could be a three headed lizard singing lead, I'd still like it because I'm looking past aesthetics and concentrating on creativity. Now we're in the subjective zone and everyone hears something different. This is where your argument loses steam. I can't tell you what sounds good and you can't tell me either. So at this impasse is where we'll stay.
 
The focus of your argument was Sade would not have been a success if she didn't have Eurocentric features. I countered that I liked Sade for the band not the face on the package. Then I provided an example of an Afrocentric artist with the same band and commented on how I liked that song. Its not the genre. Its not how the person looks. Its the BAND!!!! Now as far as the quality of the playing, I'm not a musician. It sounds good to my untrained ears because of the mood and tone of the music. That's what matters to me. There could be a three headed lizard singing lead, I'd still like it because I'm looking past aesthetics and concentrating on creativity. Now we're in the subjective zone and everyone hears something different. This is where your argument loses steam. I can't tell you what sounds good and you can't tell me either. So at this impasse is where we'll stay.
My argument is that Sade is successful among black Americans because
she looks half white. There is no other group of people who idolise that
woman
 
My argument is that Sade is successful among black Americans because
she looks half white. There is no other group of people who idolise that
woman
Hasn't she always been a success in England as well? Based on these stats I'd say people all over the world liked her.

Studio albums[edit]
List of studio albums, with selected chart positions and certifications
Title Album details Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales thresholds)
UK
[1]
AUS
[2]
AUT
[3]
CAN
[4]
GER
[5]
NED
[6]
NOR SWE SWI US
[7]
US R&B
Diamond Life

2 6 1 7 1 1 20 18 1 5 3
Promise
  • Released: 9 November 1985
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, LP, cassette
1 9 6 — 2 1 6 4 1 1 1
  • AUS: Platinum[8]
  • CAN: 2× Platinum[9]
  • FRA: Platinum[10]
  • GER: Platinum[11]
  • US: 4× Platinum[13]
  • UK: 2× Platinum[14]
Stronger Than Pride
  • Released: 8 May 1988
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, LP, cassette
3 11 6 — 4 1 7 2 2 7 3
Love Deluxe
  • Released: 1 November 1992
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, LP, cassette
10 13 11 — 14 10 — 7 6 3 2
  • AUS: Platinum[8]
  • CAN: Platinum[9]
  • FRA: Platinum[10]
  • GER: Gold[11]
  • NLD: Gold[12]
  • SWE: Gold
  • SWI: Gold
  • US: 4× Platinum[13]
  • UK: Platinum
Lovers Rock
  • Released: 14 November 2000
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, LP, cassette
18 28 5 13 4 20 5 2 6 3 2
  • AUS: Gold[15]
  • AUT: Gold
  • CAN: 2× Platinum[16]
  • GER: Platinum[11]
  • NLD: Gold[12]
  • SWE: Platinum
  • SWI: Gold
  • US: 3× Platinum[13]
  • UK: Platinum[14]
Soldier of Love
4 4 2 1 2 2 7 1 1 1 1
  • AUT: Gold
  • CAN: Platinum[17]
  • FRA: 2× Platinum
  • GER: Gold[11]
  • SWE: Gold
  • SWI: Platinum
  • US: Platinum[18]
  • UK: Gold[14]
"—" denotes releases that did not chart
Live albums[edit]
List of live albums, with selected chart positions and certifications
Year Title Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales thresholds)
UK
[1]
AUS
[2]
AUT
[3]
FRA
[19]
GER
[5]
NOR SWE SWI US
[7]
US R&B
2002 Lovers Live
  • Live album
  • Released: 5 February 2002
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, DVD
51 — 40 36 41 25 50 27 10 5
2012 Bring Me Home: Live 2011
  • Live album/DVD
  • Released: 22 May 2012
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD, DVD
3[20] — 1[21] 1[22] 15 — 3 1 1 —
"—" denotes releases that did not chart
Each chart position of Bring Me Home: Live 2011 is respective of each country's Music Video or Music DVD Chart.

Compilation albums[edit]
List of compilation albums, with selected chart positions and certifications
Year Title Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales thresholds)
UK
[1]
AUS
[2]
AUT
[3]
FRA
[19]
GER
[5]
NOR SWE SWI US
[7]
US R&B
1994 The Best of Sade
  • Greatest hits album
  • Released: 12 November 1994
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: CD
6 23 9 140 15 12 7 11 9 7
2011 The Ultimate Collection
  • Compilation album
  • Released: 3 May 2011
  • Label: Epic
  • Formats: 2CD, DVD
8 35 22 23 17 19 6 11 7 2
"—" denotes releases that did not chart
Extended plays[edit]
Year Title
1989 Solid Gold Series — Sade
1992 Remix Deluxe
  • Released only in Japan
Singles[edit]
List of singles with selected chart positions, showing year released and album name
Year Single Peak chart positions Album
UK
[1]
AUS
[2]
FRA
[19]
GER
[23]
IRE
[24]
NED
[6]
NZ
[25]
US
[26]
US R&B
[27]
US AC
 
brother, I respect you for trying to big up african artists. But, as a general rule isn't it going to be harder for artists singing non english songs to have a consistent impact in the USA? Not a one hit crossover, but a lasting english language career. I don't think it's at all about Sade being light skinned, but about the quality of her music, that amazing band, and her lyrics. They still resonate with people many years after they were originally published. The stuff you are posting may be great, but the sound isn't something that resonates well here. You can't get mad at all of black america because african music isn't being played at the club or at some progressive church. You know, the kind where the young choir leader gets a song and changes the lyrics to christian verses "You wont find me in the club, bottle full of bub, i'll be all up in the church singing of god's love..." type songs
 
brother, I respect you for trying to big up african artists. But, as a general rule isn't it going to be harder for artists singing non english songs to have a consistent impact in the USA? Not a one hit crossover, but a lasting english language career. I don't think it's at all about Sade being light skinned, but about the quality of her music, that amazing band, and her lyrics. They still resonate with people many years after they were originally published. The stuff you are posting may be great, but the sound isn't something that resonates well here. You can't get mad at all of black america because african music isn't being played at the club or at some progressive church. You know, the kind where the young choir leader gets a song and changes the lyrics to christian verses "You wont find me in the club, bottle full of bub, i'll be all up in the church singing of god's love..." type songs
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brother, I respect you for trying to big up african artists. But, as a general rule isn't it going to be harder for artists singing non english songs to have a consistent impact in the USA? Not a one hit crossover, but a lasting english language career. I don't think it's at all about Sade being light skinned, but about the quality of her music, that amazing band, and her lyrics. They still resonate with people many years after they were originally published. The stuff you are posting may be great, but the sound isn't something that resonates well here. You can't get mad at all of black america because african music isn't being played at the club or at some progressive church. You know, the kind where the young choir leader gets a song and changes the lyrics to christian verses "You wont find me in the club, bottle full of bub, i'll be all up in the church singing of god's love..." type songs
^^ THis. :yes: You beat me by about 1 minute.

Sade drops classics... IN ENGLISH. :yes:
All these videos that Zinga is posting in this thread... sounds like they are speaking in multiple / different African dialects. :rolleyes:

Black Americans DO NOT speak ANY of those languages. :smh:

So he shouldn't get upset.... if his 'taste' in music isn't widely accepted..... when American folks cannot even UNDERSTAND what the fuck people are singing about on them tracks. :rolleyes:

People want to hear / understand / and most importantly... RELATE to the words. :yes:

Last time I checked... Sade doesn't just drop purely 'instrumental' versions only of her records. :rolleyes:
Folks can relate to her 'themes', album 'concepts'... and especially her 'words'. :yes:

That's WHY she doesn't have to be 'the best' singer.
That's WHY it's not about her 'skin tone' either.

People 'feel' her music. And the 'mood' it creates. :yes:
Her sound / band ALWAYS creates a certain vibe. :yes:
And that's all her fans need / or want. :yes:
That's what they PAY for. :yes:

Hell, even the Neptunes remixed Sade's material and it was just as "John Blaze" as the original. :yes:




By Your Side / Sade

You think I'd leave your side, baby
You know me better than that
Think I'd leave you down when you're down on your knees
I wouldn't do that

I'll tell you you're right when you're wrong
And if only you could see into me
Oh, when you're cold
I'll be there, hold you tight to me
When you're on my outside, baby, and you can't get in
I will show you, you're so much better than you know

When you're lost
You're alone and you can't get back again
I'll find you, darling, and I'll bring you home

And if you want to cry
I am here to dry your eyes
And in no time, you'll be fine

You think I'd leave your side, baby
You know me better than that
Think I'd leave you down when you're down on your knees
I wouldn't do that

I'll tell you you're right when you're wrong
And if only you could see into me

Oh, when you're cold
I'll be there, hold you tight to me

Oh, when you're low
I'll be there by your side, baby

Oh, when you're cold
I'll be there, hold you tight to me

Oh, when you're low
I'll be there by your side, baby
 
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Is it possible that those who are not half-white never received the
support and acclaim that has enabled Sade to last for 30 years?

(Ms Tshala Muana has been doing it for 40 years by the
way, working her way up from being a dancer for the Ms
Abeti Massikini**)
Is her music internationally known? I've never heard of her. Does her music compare to Sade's? I'm just asking. There are plenty of great artists out there who never get the acclaim or success others do. I'm not an 'artist' but I'm a musician and have been playing professionally since the mid 70's. No one knows me but my community. As for the half-white thing......there's plenty of artists who are not mixed who have made it internationally.
 
Sade was accepted by Black folks from day One. Below is an interview with Donnie Simpson from BET Video Soul from 1984. Her 1st album was less than a year old.

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The most I have ever spent on a concert was $187 per ticket. The wife and I went to she Ms Sade in Orlando and we were a mile away from the stage. That was several years ago.

No regrets.
 
This woman who is not a musician has more range and versatility in her
voice than Sade Adu who sings in an even monotone. If Sade was not half
white, black America would not worship her. That is the truth



Ironically enough some people will still deny that light skinned privilege exists


No real disagreement.

Black America doesn't control any entertainment industry. White folks prefer their black entertainers with a large portion of white-likeness.

From Lena Horne to Drake.

From Dorothy Dandridge to Halle Berry.

Black folks are just along for the ride.

Until Blacks create their own platform the standard will never change unfortunately :smh:

Reminds me of a comment that Terrence Trent Darby once made about Seals first album. He said that he was shocked that it put up the numbers it did, because Blacks his complexion don't pull that off often.
 
No one worshipped Sade. We like her music. But her voice without that music though:itsawrap:
I guess that's why "we" like Bob Marley also. Not his music right? aannnnddd WHO IS THAT
HALF WHITE AFRICAN IN YOUR PROFILE
"bruh"?
 
Man. No disrespect to the African artists you posted. I listened, but just wasn't feeling it. Now this on the other hand :yes:
 
brother, I respect you for trying to big up african artists. But, as a general rule isn't it going to be harder for artists singing non english songs to have a consistent impact in the USA?

This is a good point. I remember back in 2003 there was a big movement, people trying to get Reggaeton to catch on in the US, but it never popped due to this very reason (language barrier).
 
Sade is a sexy, sultry singer with a awesome band, that is her recipe for global success, you don't have to shit on Sade to introduce other less known vocalists.

I could care less if she was black as the ace of spades or white as the driven snow.

 
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greater to sade how? listen there's rap artists technically more skilled than whodini but whodini made music that will on forever. now the artist you post might be a better singer. that doesn't mean she makes better music than sade. do this particular artist have 30 odd years of history to go against sade? if your argument is she's a better singer cool or make better songs your opinon. but don't come up in here saying if sade wasn't half white. shit if bob wasn't half white.... dude is their music good? neyo gave a good example of this for a female artist. if she wants to go the beyonce route then you have to get your body right. if she wants to go the jill scott route she would be cool. i can't find the video but it's on youtube somewhere.
 
If Sade was not half-white, none of you would be talking about her
You just tried to dismiss his entire post which had relevant information in it by saying that we wouldn't be talking about Sade if she wasn't half white. Who cares if she is or isn't? She can sing. I've watched the vids you posted and she can hold a melody as well but to be honest with you I didn't understand the words. So for you to compare an African singer who sings in Swahili (I'm assuming) to an American singing in English that's a bit unfair. what are we supposed to base it off of???
 
If Sade was not half-white, none of you would be talking about her
I disagree. I never thought of her as half white until it was brought up in her biography. Same with Prince and the DeBarge family. Race has nothing to do with it.
 
Sade's success has less to do with the way she looks and sings but more to do the creative quality of her band. They are the true talent. Anyone can stand out front and sing those songs. Its the music that was written and produced that made me stand up and take notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetback_(band)

I disagree. I've heard plenty of female singers sing her songs and none capture the essence she brings to them. There are a few Sade tribute bands out there. The bands are very good but the singers lack that 'voice'!
 
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