Has Steph Curry surpassed Lebron and can he reach goat status?

[Amajorfucup]

Man. Be objective. How many players have you seen be this dominant? And extrapolate this out over a few more years? He wouldn't be in the argument?

Dude, hes had ONE SEASON where he has played on an all world level. ONE. And hes 27 years old

If we're talking about trajectory and career numbers extrapolation... Go transpose his to those of others in the GOAT and elite conversations and note their numbers before the age of 27. This guy doesnt even fucking register!!!!

Man this is insane. You niggas make me out to be this raging SC hater but clearly thats needed to offset the copious amounts bullshit you guys pile on in the form of hype for this pale face fuck.

 

[therealjondoe]

Right cause pippen isn't a top 50 player and took the Blazers to the conference finals and Rodman had absolutely no pedigree or success without Jordan. .

Ron harper was a better player than majority of this warriors team

Shit pippen led that same Jordan less team damn near to ring.
Rodman is an all time great defender/rebounder

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That's last night....

Klay has a 30 point quarter this year.

Klay steps up then he will pass it to him klay just been playing smedium
Once klay plays like he's capable he'll always defer.

 

[RED]

Steph is easily on the way to being the GOAT shooter of all time, but not the GOAT of all time, not until he gets more hardware and is consistent over time. Jordan will continue to be the GOAT overall because of his impact on the game and his success at the PEAK of DEFENSIVE BASKETBALL...and is the thing that makes him the GOAT over Bill Russell who has more hardware. Until the NBA returns to its defensive peak other players will pale in comparison, so even if the Jordan era fans "die off" you cant deny that defense has fallen far from where it was and therefore the game is a bit weaker as a result. Don't get me wrong Curry hits some amazing shots and has to fight like hell to get open, but until you get put on your ass and feel like the opposing team is out to take your head off its a different game. What has changed between this year and last year that this GS team can win so much?

Curry has also impacted the game in a big way but negatively, he is causing an entire generation to focus on taking the crazy shots he takes and that will destroy the fundamentals of team basketball for the foreseeable future, go to any park or gym and watch the youngins play and you'll see his poor influence.

 

[2 ONE 3]

Steph is easily on the way to being the GOAT shooter of all time, but not the GOAT of all time, not until he gets more hardware and is consistent over time. Jordan will continue to be the GOAT overall because of his impact on the game and his success at the PEAK of DEFENSIVE BASKETBALL...and is the thing that makes him the GOAT over Bill Russell who has more hardware. Until the NBA returns to its defensive peak other players will pale in comparison, so even if the Jordan era fans "die off" you cant deny that defense has fallen far from where it was and therefore the game is a bit weaker as a result. Don't get me wrong Curry hits some amazing shots and has to fight like hell to get open, but until you get put on your ass and feel like the opposing team is out to take your head off its a different game. What has changed between this year and last year that this GS team can win so much?

Curry has also impacted the game in a big way but negatively, he is causing an entire generation to focus on taking the crazy shots he takes and that will destroy the fundamentals of team basketball for the foreseeable future, go to any park or gym and watch the youngins play and you'll see his poor influence.

I gotta agree with the impact on the game. Every kid these days thinks they Steph....Mid Range has become a lost art

It's either shooting long ass 3s or penetrating to the hole.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Shit pippen led that same Jordan less team damn near to ring.
Rodman is an all time great defender/rebounder

Right.

My thing is who knows what he'll be bUT
Don't prop up his role players to be all world outside of klay and green which is 3 not a full roster of crazy ppl everyone wanted

Don't compare him to dudes without rings and multiple MVPs

That's all

I have no idea what he'll be.
What he is, is, the 2nd best player in the nba right now and he's just getting started

 

[Rudey]

if curry fell off bigtime nobody would be calling him the goat..nobody would say they'll take him over magic or oscar...juss let the kid play and we'll see how he'll do in the future.. 2 yrs ago nobody would've made this thread so let's see if 2 yrs from now will he at least deserve 1

Curry doesn't even win the championship this year yet and look what people start to discuss.

Kobe retired and Lebron is a season vet. People are searching for that new guy to compare him to MJ.

 

[Spectrum]

Dude, hes had ONE SEASON where he has played on an all world level. ONE. .

I think his production last year, winning an nba title last season, and also winning nba MVP is a good enough qualifier to say two dominant back to back season.
This season in particular has just be one of the greatest seasons any play has ever had if he caps it off with a title.

So my question is... what does he have to do? Is it just a matter of just doing what he's done the last two seasons for more seasons? If his current production dominant enough?

I'm asking questions.

 

[Spectrum]

Shit pippen led that same Jordan less team damn near to ring.

Pippen won ONE playoff series, boss.. ONE. How is winning on playoff season damn near winning a ring? They didnt even make the conference finals. Thats like saying Lillard almost lead portland to a ring.

 

[Spectrum]

Steph is easily on the way to being the GOAT shooter of all time, but not the GOAT of all time, not until he gets more hardware and is consistent over time. .

Your answer is YES then..because I clearly qualified is it just a matter of doing what he's doing now for more seasons.

I also didn't say GOAT. I said one of the GOATs .

 

[Amajorfucup]

I think his production last year, winning an nba title last season, and also winning nba MVP is a good enough qualifier to say two dominant back to back season.

Nah. Last year his numbers were 23 7 4... Nothing to warrant GOAT thread. And the more we see of this team (with and without him) the more we see its a group effort (not to minimize his worth or greatness but to contextualize it as it pertains to GOAT discussions).

ONE SEASON.. and not until age 27. Nobody else in the GOAT convo has that lull.

So my question is... what does he have to do? Is it just a matter of just doing what he's done the last two seasons for more seasons? If his current production dominant enough?

Ummm yea. Isnt that the true determiner of all time greatness? Sustainability and longevity. Derrick Rose says hi. shaddy had him in the Hall Of Fame four years ago.

I'm asking questions.

Nah. You know what you doing..

spectrum<<<<

 

[Amajorfucup]

Curry doesn't even win the championship this year yet and look what people start to discuss.

Before OP changed his name, he would enter a thread like this and post the same reply you just did.

Now he making the threads...

 

[therealjondoe]

Pippen won ONE playoff series, boss.. ONE. How is winning on playoff season damn near winning a ring? They didnt even make the conference finals. Thats like saying Lillard almost lead portland to a ring.

55 win team and a call away from the confrence finals. The point was Jordan had great teammates too

 

[Spectrum]

Ummm yea. Isnt that the true determiner of all time greatness? Sustainability and longevity.

D. Rose hasnt even played in an NBA Finals.

But again.. if he does what he's done over the next 2 seasons for 4-5 more years, would that put him in the conversation.

I'm dead serious. I want to know how people are judging the guy.

I was disgusted w/ the top players of all time list that came out (earlier this year) and they had him over Zeke. However, it's pretty clear that he's going to grow into the ranking and end up better than Zeke.

 

[2 ONE 3]

Why is anyone mentioning D. Rose?


Dude has no seat at this table smh

 

[theteacher]

he's getting his game up there... They have a good team.

 

[Spectrum]

Before OP changed his name, he would enter a thread like this and post the same reply you just did.

Now he making the threads...

Naw man. It's time to start qualifying what we're seeing.

Youve been watching ball since 1940 so you know we're seeing something remarkable.

I'm asking if he continues to what he's doing now, would it be enough?

Or if there something else he needs to do with his current game?

Another poster said he needed to become a better two-way player. That's a good point. At the same time, it could be a Randy Moss thing. Randy
Moss didn't run the full route tree, but he didn't need to .

 

[Spectrum]

The point was Jordan had great teammates too

You could make the argument Jordan had better teammates. Rodman and Pippen are certainly better than Klay and Greene. I don't see how that negatively impacts Curry though.

 

[Amajorfucup]

D. Rose hasnt even played in an NBA Finals.

Not the fucking point. Thats a team accomplishment. And if he didnt run into a bulldozer with a prime Bron, Bosh, Wade (3 hall of famers) he does. They had him out there with a fucking Loul Deng...

Dude has no seat at this table smh

And as of today, neither does Curry.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Youve been watching ball since 1940 so you know we're seeing something remarkable.

This is also why i know you need to pump the fucking brakes you young piece of shit!!!!

ONE SEASON!!!!!

eewwll>>>>>>> spectrum

 

[2 ONE 3]

Curry won a chip last season...

Curry scored 40pts...17 in OT to lead his team to the win

AFTER missing 3 weeks of full contact basketball....


Curry is that dude

 

[Spectrum]

Before

Do you think Lebron is still the best player in the NBA? I started off the season with Lebron as still #1. I'm not even saying I've changed that position, but Curry is making me question if there needs to be a re-ranking.

Where do you rank Curry?

I'm not trolling man. I'm really trying to wrap my mind around this little shaddy-sized muthafucka dominating the game from long range.... and he's definitely dominating the game right now.

 

[Spectrum]

Curry won a chip last season...

Curry scored 40pts...17 in OT to lead his team to the win

AFTER missing 3 weeks of full contact basketball....


Curry is that dude

So I'm wondering at what point does he become the best player in the league to people.. or do people think he's purely the best shooter or best scorer in the league?

I'm on record (this season too) with getting at dude about his defense and other things... but I'm starting to wonder if it even matters.. it doesnt matter on this warriors team for sure because he doesn't need to carry any real defensive load.

 

[jack walsh13]

Cavs are peaking at the right time. If they play their best ball, they can beat GS.

How they gonna stop those 3's man. You just have to pray them niggas miss.

 

[Spectrum]

ONE SEASON!!!!!

So to go back to my original question. If he does this for 4-5 more seasons, would that be enough for you?

That's what I was asking in the first place.. would 5 more seasons of playing like THIS put him in the conversation to you.

 

[RoadRage]

I think its apples and oranges that can be highlighted in these points.. When they played last year in the finals, LeBron looked like the best player on the court 90% of the time and that was playing on a broken down team, next when Curry was out the Warriors looked and played exactly the way they did when he was in even when he is on the bench there is very little or any drop off..
Now if James were to go down the way Curry did there is no way they win more than one game vs a team like the Pistons...

 

[SpiritualPorn]

how bout he do this at least 8 straight more yrs than u can put him in the talks... nigs get injured everyday b and lots of really good players has had short careers or their levels of talent fell because of them grant hill, t-mac juss to name 2

This is where I am with this
I'm just going to stay in the moment and enjoy the hell out of what I am seeing.

 

[Mr. Met]

Stop the madness. Steph ain't carrying mediocre teams like Lebron does.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Do you think Lebron is still the best player in the NBA? I started off the season with Lebron as still #1. I'm not even saying I've changed that position, but Curry is making me question if there needs to be a re-ranking.

All jokes aside, have you not been in the sports threads the last 5 months? Thats been my entire point. Lebron is ABSOLUTELY the best player in the game. Put him on any team and they are a contender (save the sixers). There isnt a player in the league we can say that about. I stated before SC got hurt last month that his team would win playoff games and series without him. Cavs cant win a game of connect four with all black checkers without Bron.

Lebron James is the only current player in the NBA who should be involved in GOAT conversations. Forcing a 27 year old albino with ONE SEASON of elite play under his belt is blasphemous.

The fact Lebron James finished third in MVP voting is an abomination imo. A flat out joke.

Curry is top 5. I can make argument for anywhere from 2-4.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

I think its apples and oranges that can be highlighted in these points.. When they played last year in the finals, LeBron looked like the best player on the court 90% of the time and that was playing on a broken down team, next when Curry was out the Warriors looked and played exactly the way they did when he was in even when he is on the bench there is very little or any drop off..
Now if James were to go down the way Curry did there is no way they win more than one game vs a team like the Pistons...

Exactly

 

[Spectrum]

All jokes aside, have you not been in the sports threads the last 5 months? Thats been my entire point. Lebron is ABSOLUTELY the best player in the game. Put him on any team and they are a contender (save the sixers). There isnt a player in the league we can say that about. I stated before SC got hurt last month that his team would win playoff games and series without him. Cavs cant win a game of connect four with all black checkers without Bron.

Lebron James is the only current player in the NBA who should be involved in GOAT conversations. Forcing a 27 year old albino with ONE SEASON of elite play under his belt is blasphemous.

The fact Lebron James finished third in MVP voting is an abomination imo. A flat out joke.

Curry is top 5. I can make argument for anywhere from 2-4.

I actually haven't been in the sports threads as much.

Ok. I'm with it. I'm straight up asking people.

Earlier this season, I was going in on Curry over all the props.... I've been saying he was the greatest shooter of all time for a while but leaving it at that.. but this dude is embarrassing people out there now.

So for year, even this season is not THAT big of a deal (just one in a list of really great seasons by individual players)? Got it. Just trying to see where people are ranking it.

 

[Amajorfucup]

I actually haven't been in the sports threads as much.

Ok. I'm with it. I'm straight up asking people.

Earlier this season, I was going in on Curry over all the props.... I've been saying he was the greatest shooter of all time for a while but leaving it at that.. but this dude is embarrassing people out there now.

So for year, even this season is not THAT big of a deal (just one in a list of really great seasons by individual players)? Got it. Just trying to see where people are ranking it.

And the other thing, we dont even know what we're looking at yet. It could very well be a statistical outlier OR it could be the beginning of a steady prime. As a team, these guys are just ahead of the curve man.. They look like the *evolution of the game.. and if thats the case we have to fit Currys achievement within that framework.. In support of this perspective is how the continue seamlessly when he isnt in... We just need time to fully contextualize what we are watching. As of today tho, its ONE SEASON.

* the other side of them being the evolution is it also possibly being a basketball version of wildcat (on steroids).. where the league adjusts/catches up in a year or two. Mike D'antoni 2.0

 

[tallblacknyc]

55 win team and a call away from the confrence finals. The point was Jordan had great teammates too

kukoc wasn't on the first 3 championship teams..pippen got him the yr after jordan left..so technically it wasn't the same exact team jordan won his first 3 rings with..people keep bringing up rodman like he was there for 6 rings..no he was there for the 2nd 3 peat..the first had jordan and a sf who only average 20 or more points in 1 of the first 3 championship yrs and a bunch of other players that couldn't even average 15 points a game...yepppp so 2 out of 3 chips there was only 1 person who scored more than 20 points which was jordan himself and 1 out of 3 where pippen was actually able to drop 20..all 3 of those first rings had no playerrrrrr who could score 15 or more as an 3rd option..yep the 3rd highest scorer was horace grant who couldn't average 15 a game..that was jordan squad folks

 

[Spectrum]

And the other thing, we dont even know what we're looking at yet. It could very well be a statistical outlier OR it could be the beginning of a steady prime.

Yep. Agreed. That's what I'm asking the question. We won't know until we see how it plays out, but I'm asking trying to figure out how we qualify what he's done this season. His offensive production is crazy but it's not just that to me.. I've just seen too many games where he's dominated late to win the game.

Hard to imagine he's shooting will decline so I'm willing to bank this is the new normal for him though... close to 400 (3s) made per year during his prime considering the warriors can keep the core of this team together

 

[Coldchi]

Curry is the best shooter i've ever fuckin seen. Lebron is an all around better player.....im sure he could average a triple double every season if he wanted to.
Dude is on the verge of going to his 7th straight NBA Final.....of course he didnt win em all.....but that is a feat in itself.