He got cooked them too. I was Zeke regularly cook him.
Steals aren't an indicator of a player being a good one on one defender. You can rack up hella steals and be a bad defender.. Allen Iverson is another example.
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He got cooked them too. I was Zeke regularly cook him.
Steals aren't an indicator of a player being a good one on one defender. You can rack up hella steals and be a bad defender.. Allen Iverson is another example.
To be honest, even if Stephen Curry accomplishes every goal people set for him, he will never be considered the GOAT. I look at it like how people (primary white) revere Babe Ruth. No matter if a current or future baseball player eclipse the HR record or any other record, they will never be considered better than Babe.
When it is all said and done, Stephen Curry will probably become a future hall of famer, break many records, barring any injures, and be talked about ad nauseum how he is this or that, but there will be ALWAYS be naysayers who can't put anyone past Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and/or some player who played back during the Jim Crow/Civil Rights Era.
When it is all said and done, Stephen Curry will probably become a future hall of famer, break many records, barring any injures, and be talked about ad nauseum how he is this or that, but there will be ALWAYS be naysayers who can't put anyone past Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and/or some player who played back during the Jim Crow/Civil Rights Era.
I see the NBA hype machine is in perfect working condition. He been playin at this level a couple seasons and we already talkin GOAT status? Hes an amazing shooter, a good playmaker - ONE of the best players in the league currently but I dont think any player who primarily plays on one side of the ball solely will ever be the GOAT. And in this case I think the team he has around him allows him to flourish like this, my question is will he even be able to maintain the current level hes playin at in a couple years once that team starts getting broken up.
He the shit right now tho
He the shit right now tho
^^^ Exactly.
Stockton was also 5x All Defense 2nd team.
But we supposed to believe that he couldn't stay in front of Chris Paul, or Steph Curry.
Defensive rebounding is no indicator of your defensive ability as offensive rebounding is no indicator of your offensive ability. Rodman was a horrible offensive player but one of the best offensive rebounders of all time. Stop. You're confused.
I think some of your guys are functionally retarded or can't read.
The question is not "is Steph one of the all-time greats?". The question is "if he plays like this for a few more seasons, would he quality of one of the greatest of all times". The shit is stated multiple times in the original post.
The question is not "is Steph one of the all-time greats?". The question is "if he plays like this for a few more seasons, would he quality of one of the greatest of all times". The shit is stated multiple times in the original post.
Well first I'm not in this goat shit conversation I'm on record with how I feel about it. And with who I think is the best player in the nba.
I believe that's the huge disconnect between us right now.
I've never seen you give rose any slack
And you are now
You are bugging.
Defensive rebounding limits your opponents to 'one and done' situations.
Rodman is a hall of fame-level NBA defender.
PRIMARILY for his ability to 'rebound defensively'.
Not for his ability to block shots. But the main problem is that you are looking at one single aspect (like defensive rebounding) while ignoring all the other aspects of defense.
Rodman is a hall of fame level NBA defender.
Like I said. I think some of you guys struggle with both reading and reading comprehension.
Rodman was a great offensive rebounder (one of the greatest of all time). He was a way below average offensive player. There is a distinction between the two and that's the clearest example of it. They are mutually exclusive.
He was both a great defensive player and a great defensive rebounder. They are mutually exclusive. He was a below average offensive player but a great offensive rebounder. Simple to understand.
But your lack of understanding is what you're making the leap from "getting steals" to being a great defensive player. Again, Allen Iverson racked up a ton of steals but was often a defensive liability.
bills, im not giving him any slack. Im merely using his greatness as an example of perhaps needing to slow down with anointing players after one (or two) great seasons. I even offered a similar thread and a similar post from me 6 years ago saying similar things as it pertained to Rose v. AI.
"spectrum"
stated Rose never made a finals. I responded by saying he faced a road block of 3 prime hall of famers.. a top 4 all time two guard and a top 10 all time player.... And he was out there with Loul Deng in the conference finals. Not sure how thats giving him slack fam.
Funny how you go on this rant about having them mature discussion or what-have-you, but you're the one whenever a discussion goes beyond 3 post you drift into the juvenile name-calling and rhetoric. Say what you gotta say bro but I wasn't disrespectful to you I came at you, now you have a valid point my comparison was rookie year vs rookie year. But again you need to chill out man you really sound very insecure that when someone gives you a little resistance you get desperate and start bitching. It's like your brain scrambles and you panic. Again I didn't call you any names I didn't come at you disrespectfully but there you go. So at this point fuck you...
^^^ Complete bullshit.
All of this.Two questions....
1 - Was Rodman a better DEFENDER? Or OFFENSIVE Player? (We all know the answer to this)
2 - if he was a better DEFENDER... Was it because he blocked a lot of shots?
Or because he was a monster on the defensive glass and limited teams to 'one and done' situations?
So once again, you give me bad information, present me with outright lies, and when i again am forced to address and correct you, you say im immature and insecure and desperate??
Ok my man. God bless.
so if a guy continues to shoot 400 3's per yr, win scoring titles every yr, and lead the league in steals, win more mvp's, and possible more titles??? wouldn't that be obvious that people would put him in the top tier..that's not a question u would ask if there was an obvious answer to it.. it's obvious u prob didn't want the question to be that easy..that's why people are answering it the way they are
It's a basic logic puzzle.
Learn about when something can be mutually exclusive.
Can you be both an excellent offensive rebounder and "offensively-challenged" as a player.?
Once you wrap your mind around that, you'll start to figure out why doing ONE thing on one side of the court doesn't necessarily make you a complete player on one side of the court. Thus, racking up steals doesnt mean you're also a good defensive player. Again, the clearest example of that is Magic Johnson leading the league multiple times in steals yet not making the defensive once.. not even 3rd defensive team. He was an average defensive player at best.
Work yourself through that. There is no argument here.
In his Rookie year, Magic averaged 3.0 steals per game during the ENTIRE Playoffs.
Steph Curry has NEVER done that.
Not in the Regular Season, nor in the Playoffs.
Magic played all 5 positions and led the entire league in Steals …. plus was one the BEST (defensive) rebounders in the ENTIRE league… ALL in the SAME YEAR.
Meanwhile, ya’ll here talking about…
- “Defense is mostly a team concept”
- “Steals don’t matter. They don’t equate to good defense”
Ya’ll got it fucked up.
When you are doing ALL OF THIS SHIT….
- Playing ALL 5 positions....
- While leading the whole league in STEALS...
- While ranking as one of the Top 10-15 players in the whole league in REBOUNDING….
…. all at the SAME DAMN TIME time……… THEN YES…. IT MATTERS.
Magic Johnson Playoff Steals (in his prime)
1979-80 Magic had 3.1 steals per game, during the playoffs
1980-81 Magic had 2.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
1981-82 Magic had 2.9 steals per game, during the playoffs
1982-83 Magic had 2.3 steals per game, during the playoffs
Magic averaged 1.9 steals per game, during the playoffs, for his Career
Steph Curry Playoff Steals (in his prime)
2012-13 Steph had 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
2013-14 Steph had 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
2014-15 Steph had 1.9 steals per game, during the playoffs
2015-16 Steph had 1.3 steals per game, during the playoffs
Steph averages 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs, for his Career
During their PRIME YEARS, Steph is not as good as Magic was…. as a defender.
Plus, Johnson led the league in steals per game for two consecutive regular seasons.
1980-81 he averaged 3.4 steals per game
1981-82 he averaged 2.6 steals per game
Miss me with that “Steals don’t count because Defense is mostly a team concept” nonsense.
Hakeem Olajuwon is the NBA All-Time Leader in Blocked Shots.
Not the Houston Rockets.
John Stockton is the NBA All-Time Leader in Steals.
Not the Utah Jazz.
Steph is a good player, but overall Magic was a better defender than Curry is, at the same points in their careers.
And the numbers don’t lie.
Numbers are misleading. Marbury averaged 20 & 8 but those numbers were empty. Iverson led the league in steals but bu his gambling it put him out of defensive position which allowed for his man to beat him often. As I have said before, Magic was never known as a defensive player. Steals do not equate to actual defense just as block shots don't either. Mourning used to go for every shot, but then he realized that he didn't need to do that in order to play great defense.
I subscribe to the position that he didn't play like old man Charley Rosen. Still... Magic is the most versatile player the NBA has ever had.
so how many pg's in the current game better than stockton, zeke, magic, kj, timmy, mark jackson, j kid??
I'm not concerned about that little fella, people screw up. It happens every day. I just have sympathetic feelings for people with the level of insecurity you 10 the show so yes God bless me and hopefully he'll bless you too that you can get through that mental block you have. PeaceSo once again, you give me bad information, present me with outright lies, and when i again am forced to address and correct you, you say im immature and insecure and desperate??
Ok my man. God bless.
It won't be broken up the core is signed
Keep wishing tho.
And you guys have it backwards that's the most troubling part.
The team doesn't allow him he allows the team.
Draymond can score 9 points and it's ok.
Klay can get all the easy shots in the world
How many wide open shots do people get because he's on the court?
Barnes hit that 3 because curry was on the court his defender said fuck that.
You leave klay Thompson open because curry is on the court.
How many walk in layups does draymond need to get off the pick and roll because the defenders will never go under a screen and the screener guy will never show and then go back to the other man before we start respecting his impact?
I've seen people in this very thread (in other threads) saying that the Warriors weren't that much worse when he's not playing. It's a legitimate question. There is also consistent pushback on his ability as a defender. It's a legitimate question. Do people think someone being productive in this specific way (as primarily a shooter) can make a legitimate claim as the game's best player. You still have former NBA player until recently calling is gimmick ball. You have former nba player (who had teams that didn't make it to the finals) not only saying that Curry wouldnt have lasted in previous eras, they're saying they would easily sweep this team.
This is legitimate shit to ask. I'm trying to qualify what people believe is greatness.
Agreed. with all of that... but with Magic not being a defensive player but with also being the most versatile player the NBA has ever had. Shit, if you said he was the GOAT, you could make a legitimate argument for it.
bills, im not giving him any slack. Im merely using his greatness as an example of perhaps needing to slow down with anointing players after one (or two) great seasons. I even offered a similar thread and a similar post from me 6 years ago saying similar things as it pertained to Rose v. AI.
"spectrum"
Not used to you saying anything remotely positive about rose.
Rose was your original curry
greatness can mean various things..they would easily put him into the best shooter, 3 point maker, 1 of the best all around scorers talk..that's if he had like 7 more yrs like this 1
Curry is starting to feel like a Randy Moss type of player to me. Randy didn't run the full route tree.. he wasn't running through tackles...wasn't an imposing physical player, etc... but it didn't matter. He was so good at a couple of things, that he completely changed the way you had to defend. Literally, offensive coordinates had to throw out the play book.
So I'm trying to see what else do we need to see from Curry? Does he need to be a better defender? Do we need to see him up his assists? What do we need to see from him?
So I'm trying to see what else do we need to see from Curry? Does he need to be a better defender? Do we need to see him up his assists? What do we need to see from him?
Somebody get this nigga a tissue.
That's what I'm asking people. I'm cool with any answer.
Do people feel like he's going to be the greatest shooter of all time and that's it? I'm asking what do people think the ceiling is on this kid?
You completely DODGED the question about Rodman. And responded with more bullshit about irrelevant 'mutually exclusive' nonsense.
It was simple.
Was he a BETTER offensive.., or defensive player? And why?
But since you cannot stop lying to yourself about that simple answer... Lemme help you out.
I said that Magic was a better DEFENSIVE player than Curry because...
- He led the league in Steals.. AND...
- Was a Top 10 Defensive Rebounder... AT THE SAME TIME.
Magic gave you steals, stops & rebounds... Every night.
That's what makes him BETTER at DEFENSE than Curry. Point. Blank. Period.
Plus he could guard all 5 positions.
So yeah, keep lying to yourself about who is a better overall defender because someone can dribble past Magic on the perimeter.
Just my two cents.
First cent: Takes a long time for goat status. Ask David Thompson and Penny Hardaway and others. He's only had two great years.
Second cent: Lebron. You can put him at any position to guard. If his shot is off he still impacts the games outcome with passing, rebounds, steals, running, defense and versatility. Truly one of.the best time of all time.
First cent: Takes a long time for goat status. Ask David Thompson and Penny Hardaway and others. He's only had two great years.
Second cent: Lebron. You can put him at any position to guard. If his shot is off he still impacts the games outcome with passing, rebounds, steals, running, defense and versatility. Truly one of.the best time of all time.
For Those Of Us Who Live In The Reality-Based World
JORDAN Is The GOAT of the modern era of the NBA
UNDISPUTED
steph still has training wheels on his bike, Jordan was cruising in a jet at Mach 1.2
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Somebody get this psychotic clown a psychiatrist or some stronger meds!
And while you're at it post links to the vet for the Hall of Fame inductions for Lloyd Daniels, Sam Bowie, Penny Hardaway, etc. Based on your dumb ass logic all of them AND Greg Oden should be in the HOF... Some of the stupidest shit Ive evwr heard... But it makes sense for a mildly retarded overly medicated senile ass nigga to say stupid shit and cape for the borderline handicapped!
You completely DODGED the question about Rodman. And responded with more bullshit about irrelevant 'mutually exclusive' nonsense.
You're one of the functional retards. I tried to make it very simple for you. Other have as well.
You're not get anything beyond this question below until you answer it.
"Can you be both an excellent offensive rebounder and "offensively-challenged" as a player.?"
This is what is 1 + 1. If you don't come back with 2.. I'm not talking math with you.
Nuccas is literally in here saying: 'steals, defensive rebounds and blocked shots' do not indicate that you are a good NBA defender.
So what's left then?
There is no stat for 'getting your ankles broken'.
What DOES indicate that you are a good defensive player?
Fitting into a 'team defense system', huh?
This shit is Priceless.
So what's left then?
There is no stat for 'getting your ankles broken'.
What DOES indicate that you are a good defensive player?
Fitting into a 'team defense system', huh?
This shit is Priceless.
Nah you cant say that because quite a few players got hurt and didnt reach their potential...For Those Of Us Who Live In The Reality-Based World
JORDAN Is The GOAT of the modern era of the NBA
UNDISPUTED
steph still has training wheels on his bike, Jordan was cruising in a jet at Mach 1.2
Hey dumbass, the answer is YES.
Rodman was an excellent offensive rebounder but not a great scorer... In the NBA.
However, Dennis Rodman was a great scorer when he was in College.
(He averaged 25 ppg + 16 rpg)Now go back and re-read what I wrote.
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