Has Steph Curry supplanted LeBron as the 'Best Player in the World?' (CP Alert)

[Amajorfucup]

If he played his best basketball.... he peaked!

Nah. Thats not how it works. Sorry.

Again, Rose at 22 absolutely shits on SC at 22. The point being, let it play out before we start GOAT discussions.

 

[BDR]

Yep. You don't see that happen often on the court man. It was that same type of thing. I've been watching ball for a long ass time and only seen that a handful of times over the last 2-3 decades.

True definition of being shook daddy

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

grant hill got 2 ncaa championships, rookie of the yr, various all stars than injured... drose had rookie of the yr mvp.. u said steph level??? steph was on none of their level 2 yrs ago or so early in his career... if you take away these last 2 yrs curry level isn't 1 most nba players would chase..what did he do b4 2yrs ago on any level??? that's my point.. he got 2 good yrs in.. if he got injured today he'd be terrel davis.. he wasn't known for his greatness early on like grant hill or drose..both could've done more but they got injured..samething could happen to your boy curry..than all this cheatcode talk would end and the next bandwagon would be jumped on .. he got a ring but not the ring mvp..let the kid breath and do a lil more b4 goat talk is brought up

I stopped reading at 2 ncaa championships

Ok let's do the dumb shit curry got Davidson to the elite 8 with a bunch of bums

Let's just go full retard on it

He showed he can carry a team like lebron like he did in college on the Davidson team with dudes who work at Champs sports right now

 

[tallblacknyc]

would anybody pick terrel davis over barry sanders as their running back??? would anybody pick terrel davis over jim brown as their running back?? would anybody pick kurt warner over joe montana as their qb?? would anybody pick kurt warner over peyton manning as their qb??? steph is terrel davis/kurt warner this guy got 2 good yrs in and nigs is trying to put him in the same category with alltime greats.. most people would look at you like a dumbass comparing kurt warner with montana or terrel davis with barry/jim brown..that's how these steph talks are

 

[silentking]

Different players play different. Kareem, Magic, Jordan...they all had different games but were consistently excellent doing what they did. In that respect, Curry is playing better than Lebron right now in terms of both doing what they do at the best levels. But.....Bron has been doing it better for longer and Curry has some work to put in to surpass LBJ's body of work. If he keeps doing what he's doing and they keep winning, the question will answer itself.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I stopped reading at 2 ncaa championships

Ok let's do the dumb shit curry got Davidson to the elite 8 with a bunch of bums

Let's just go full retard on it

He showed he can carry a team like lebron like he did in college on the Davidson team with dudes who work at Champs sports right now

still didn't do more than hill and rose at an early stage..he wasn't on their level until 2 yrs ago...he has 730 days of hypness/greatness b4 that zilch..could his 2yrs of greatness be a fad or is it everlasting only time will tell..i wish the kid best of luck but even he would say don't put me in them talks until at least another decade of work

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Curry has to get Finals mvp to solidify that he's better than Lebron.

He has to have 2 more seasons like this to enter into the Jordan conversation.

He is well on his way, but he's not quite there yet. Let's keep this in perspective. Two seasons ago no one would have thought it possible that he could ever be better than Lebron, arguably the best forward to ever play the game. Now he's two series away from it.

That little yellow man is special.

He's not in any conversation at this point
But I will not let niggas shit on what he is,doing like it's no big deal


HE is being criticized because his gm put pieces made up of players nobody else wanted into a winner

Steph himself wasn't the 1 overall pick

The Timberwolves drafted 2 guards before him in the same draft.

Klay Thompson wasn't a number one pick

Draymond green was picked in the 2nd round
Let's stop pretending these dudes were slam dunk choices or that there was a bidding war for sean Livingston and Barbosa

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You sure you wanna do this? Let me know before i proceed.

I shit on Rose winning MVP over Lebron... Same thing im doing now. I said Rose's mvp teammates were superior than Brons mvp teammates the prior season.

So you never dissed rose for not getting past lebron when they should have or could have? I'm not arguing mvp I'm talking about that aspect of it.
.

 

[BDR]

he gets his steals playing the passing lane mostly. Meaning his team's defense sets him up for cherry picks. Holler when he gets then all from man on man and not playing the lanes in zone.

So you think defense is just playing one on one? Here you go..

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

still didn't do more than hill and rose at an early stage..he wasn't on their level until 2 yrs ago

Hill is an all time great. Fine

Rose is not in the same conversation as curry you're disrespecting curry period.

Better at younger only means something if their careers stopped it's called a trajectory.

Rose was way better than curry at 22

Now at 27 rose shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph as him.
Period
Any argument otherwise is flat out dishonest their careers are not on the same paths.
Period

 

[Spectrum]

Different players play different. Kareem, Magic, Jordan...they all had different games but were consistently excellent doing what they did. In that respect, Curry is playing better than Lebron right now in terms of both doing what they do at the best levels. But.....Bron has been doing it better for longer and Curry has some work to put in to surpass LBJ's body of work. If he keeps doing what he's doing and they keep winning, the question will answer itself.

Thank you for answer the damn question!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Funny how Dudes keep saying Curry had only 2 great years, when D Rose only had ONE! Curry has broken the 3 pt made record, HIS OWN I might add, 3 of the past 4 years, so he's been the best shooter in the league for a minute. He has captivated the league WITH HIS PLAY like no one has ever done, and the year and is a back to back MVP. Not sure when it became facts that a ROY award trumps and MVP award. Got me over hear laughing my ass off acting like D Rose was a 25-10 Dude his whole Career!

Plus... all this talk about ROY, lets look at their rookie #s:

Rose: 16.3 ppg - 3.8 rbs - 6.1 ast - 47.5% fg - 22.2% 3p
Curry: 17.5 ppg - 4.5 rbs - 5.9 ast - 46.2% fg - 43.7 3p

Rose wasn't even statistically the best rookie in his class... So.... someone explain to me again how Rose was so much better than Curry as a rookie?!?!?!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Lebron is the best player in the nba
Curry I'd second and then there's a huge gap to get to number 3.

Curry has the cake made. A ring 2 MVPs they are back in the conference finals so that proves last year wasn't a fluke already.

All this is icing because there's nothing you can do but intentionally hurt him.

That's it.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

idk what yall talking bout, but dell better get his bitch!

mama curry had 1 to many! getting loose as a goose!

gringing on the devil next to her, smh!

 

[unknownsoldier]

Steve Kerr knew what he was doing when he passed on the Knicks dumpster fire. As Alvin Gentry said while wearing the goggles in the champagne shower last year, Mike D'Antoni has been vindicated. Kerr knew what he had in that roster & it begins with Steph. He knew they could play enough defense with the team Jackson was putting together. Implement D'Antoni's offense & you have an offense weapon that can mimic Nash, but exceed him because he's a superior shooter & defender. Nash, Felton, Lin, Dragic, & now Steph have all eaten in that system. It makes average players good, good ones great, & the best one into an all world player.

 

[2 ONE 3]

This dumb ass nigga thinks ROY > MVP


The fact that dude is still caping for D.Rose is mind boggling


Like I said, Bills said, IT IS WHAT IT IS said:

Steph & D.Rose are on two completely different career paths


One continues to elevate

The others remains stagnant / regressing

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Nah. Thats not how it works. Sorry.

Again, Rose at 22 absolutely shits on SC at 22. The point being, let it play out before we start GOAT discussions.

To YOU... thats because it supports whatever argument you are trying to make Bruh. If it doesn't work that way, point out to me which players, who had their careers disrupted early by injury, are considered all time greats based on their potential. For every maybe ONE you can find, I can find you 3 that don't...

Rose will be judged just like most every other player, by what he accomplished on the court. And his BEST statistical season, or team accomplishment season pales in comparison to what Steph has done... ON EVERY Level...

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

This dumb ass nigga thinks ROY > MVP


The fact that dude is still caping for D.Rose is mind boggling


Like I said, Bills said, IT IS WHAT IT IS said:

Steph & D.Rose are on two completely different career paths


One continues to elevate

The others remains stagnant / regressing

But Curry had better ROY numbers than Rose though... That's whats truly hilarious about that whole argument!

 

[2 ONE 3]

But Curry had better ROY numbers than Rose though... That's whats truly hilarious about that whole argument!

 

[tallblacknyc]

Hill is an all time great. Fine

Rose is not in the same conversation as curry you're disrespecting curry period.

Better at younger only means something if their careers stopped it's called a trajectory.

Rose was way better than curry at 22

Now at 27 rose shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph as him.
Period
Any argument otherwise is flat out dishonest their careers are not on the same paths.
Period

i mention drose name as a player who started off great and was heading for great things only to have his career cut short due to injuries..he will never be the same again..i said lets not give curry the goat talk yet cause his career could be cut short juss like rose..that's how and why i brought up drose name originally...someway/somehow people came in this thread and started shitting on rose like the nig didn't accompolish nothing or he wasn't 1 of the top guards in the league at some point..i wasn't trying to compare him and curry game juss trying to say guards who had lots of potential who got fucked over by the injury bug..hopefully curry don't get that or game dry up..let him get more yrs in first b4 goat talk

 

[Amajorfucup]

So you never dissed rose for not getting past lebron when they should have or could have? I'm not arguing mvp I'm talking about that aspect of it.
.

Outside of shit talking the midget and his "pooh" shit? Fuck no. My reference to his team was that it was better than the teams Bron won MVP with in cleveland... And regardless, how is it even debatable that he brought a spoon to a gun fight in that miami team? Not sure what your point is bro.

Heres the entire thread from that series... Have fun:

http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...lls-vs-heat-eastern-conference-finals.588058/

And heres a thread 6 years ago of niggas doing the same shit with Rose as they are with SC now.. But instead of GOAT it was AI... My response to you niggas then about the same got dam shit...

You sound like a certified fool. Even putting Rose's first two and 4/5ths of a season (he hasnt even played 3 full years yet) against a hall of famers entire career is beyond moronic. Doing so only shows how completely removed away from reality you are. As for you question about playing better or at a higher level, we can pretty much go and grab any year AI was in philly. When viewed in context and factoring in the pieces that AI was surrounded with its laughable to mention the two. And if you really want to get fly go grab AI's 2000/01 philly team and match it up against Rose current roster. Rose team is loaded with young talent while AI drug a roster filled with steaming hot shit to a NBA finals appearance. No comparison.

The entire argument is ludicrous.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Dude!?!?!?!?

Rose: 16.3 ppg - 3.8 rbs - 6.1 ast - 47.5% fg - 22.2% 3p
Curry: 17.5 ppg - 4.5 rbs - 5.9 ast - 46.2% fg - 43.7 3p

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Outside of shit talking the midget and his "pooh" shit? Fuck no. My reference to his team was that it was better than the teams Bron won MVP with in cleveland... And regardless, how is it even debatable that he brought a spoon to a gun fight in that miami team? Not sure what your point is bro.

Heres the entire thread from that series... Have fun:

http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...lls-vs-heat-eastern-conference-finals.588058/

And heres a thread 6 years ago of niggas doing the same shit with Rose as they are with SC now.. But instead of GOAT it was AI... My response to you niggas then about the same got dam shit...

Rose didn't win the Chip or Back to back MVPs, nor lead his team to the greatest regular season in history, nor break the 3p FGs made in a season record 3 out of 4 years, nor did he.....

Unfortunately you are wrong Bruh... A few highlight spin dribbles, dunks and athletic shit does not equate to the same level of anything, and D Rose wasn't even CLOSE to as popular or respected as Curry currently is... so....

You're wrong on that count chief... Sorry

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

i mention drose name as a player who started off great and was heading for great things only to have his career cut short due to injuries..he will never be the same again..i said lets not give curry the goat talk yet cause his career could be cut short juss like rose..that's how and why i brought up drose name originally...someway/somehow people came in this thread and started shitting on rose like the nig didn't accompolish nothing or he wasn't 1 of the top guards in the league at some point..i wasn't trying to compare him and curry game juss trying to say guards who had lots of potential who got fucked over by the injury bug..hopefully curry don't get that or game dry up..let him get more yrs in first b4 goat talk

But like I said he's 27. That time has passed this is just where he is.

If not for slipping on the cac slime he would have played

 

[grownazzblakman]

I already said he was versatile. He wasn't a good defender at all 5 positions though. Magic was slow laterally on defense. He would get cooked on the perimeter by fast players.

Steals leader doesnt mean much, boss. Curry was the steals leader this season

Magic was never known for his defense and steals don't necessarily equate to good defense considering defense is mostly a team concept.

In his Rookie year, Magic averaged 3.0 steals per game during the ENTIRE Playoffs.
Steph Curry has NEVER done that.

Not in the Regular Season, nor in the Playoffs.

Magic played all 5 positions and led the entire league in Steals …. plus was one the BEST (defensive) rebounders in the ENTIRE league… ALL in the SAME YEAR.

Meanwhile, ya’ll here talking about…

- “Defense is mostly a team concept”
- “Steals don’t matter. They don’t equate to good defense”

Ya’ll got it fucked up.

When you are doing ALL OF THIS SHIT….

- Playing ALL 5 positions....
- While leading the whole league in STEALS...
- While ranking as one of the Top 10-15 players in the whole league in REBOUNDING….

…. all at the SAME DAMN TIME time……… THEN YES…. IT MATTERS.

Magic Johnson Playoff Steals (in his prime)

1979-80 Magic had 3.1 steals per game, during the playoffs
1980-81 Magic had 2.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
1981-82 Magic had 2.9 steals per game, during the playoffs
1982-83 Magic had 2.3 steals per game, during the playoffs
Magic averaged 1.9 steals per game, during the playoffs, for his Career


Steph Curry Playoff Steals (in his prime)

2012-13 Steph had 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
2013-14 Steph had 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs
2014-15 Steph had 1.9 steals per game, during the playoffs
2015-16 Steph had 1.3 steals per game, during the playoffs
Steph averages 1.7 steals per game, during the playoffs, for his Career


During their PRIME YEARS, Steph is not as good as Magic was…. as a defender.


Plus, Johnson led the league in steals per game for two consecutive regular seasons.

1980-81 he averaged 3.4 steals per game
1981-82 he averaged 2.6 steals per game

Miss me with that “Steals don’t count because Defense is mostly a team concept” nonsense.


Hakeem Olajuwon is the NBA All-Time Leader in Blocked Shots.
Not the Houston Rockets.

John Stockton is the NBA All-Time Leader in Steals.
Not the Utah Jazz.

Steph is a good player, but overall Magic was a better defender than Curry is, at the same points in their careers.
And the numbers don’t lie.

 

[Amajorfucup]

To YOU... thats because it supports whatever argument you are trying to make Bruh.

No, its not about me. Its an objective analysis of a players career. If you suffer debilitating injuries at 22 then you never reach your peak as a player. No one labels that as your peak. You sound very uninformed. Sincerely.

Again, my points arent debatable. Rose at 22 shits on SC at 22. And its far too early to enter Steph into a GOAT conversation. Sorry.

 

[2 ONE 3]

this nigga said cac slime

 

[tallblacknyc]

This dumb ass nigga thinks ROY > MVP


The fact that dude is still caping for D.Rose is mind boggling


Like I said, Bills said, IT IS WHAT IT IS said:

Steph & D.Rose are on two completely different career paths


One continues to elevate

The others remains stagnant / regressing

nah ur the dumb ass nig cause i brought up drose name originally for the fact that he was 1 of the players who had mad potential who career got cut short due to injury..i was saying hopefully curry don't have that same situation happen and dat b4 we start saying goat let him play for several more yrs..u came in all defensive and switch the whole damn meaning why i said drose name.. than it became a who was better..other people got the concept u didn't cause the brain cells wasn't all the way together

 

[Spectrum]

Magic played all 5 positions and led the entire league in Steals …. plus was one the BEST (defensive) rebounders in the ENTIRE league… ALL in the SAME YEAR.

Meanwhile, ya’ll here talking about…

- “Defense is mostly a team concept”
- “Steals don’t matter. They don’t equate to good defense”

Stockton is the all time steals leader. He would get cooked by practically any starting PG in the league right now. Iverson often was a steals leader and he was a horrible one on one defender. Steals is not a good sole indicator of defensive ability. Stop.

Magic Johnson was an average defender who gave you versatility because of his size. Magic never made the all defensive team. ..not even 3rd defensive team.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

No, its not about me. Its an objective analysis of a players career. If you suffer debilitating injuries at 22 then you never reach your peak as a player. No one labels that as your peak. You sound very uninformed. Sincerely.

Again, my points arent debatable. Rose at 22 shits on SC at 22. And its far too early to enter Steph into a GOAT conversation. Sorry.

I just posted a comparison of them for their 22 year old seasons... and again, you're theory is failing bruh. Curry had a better season at 22 than Rose did.

Also, The basic way to analyze a players career is based on what they accomplished, not what people believe or have an opinion of what they could have been. Shit, if thats the case, Lloyd Daniels should be considered one of the Best SFs of all time, if he didn't have a drug problem, etc. C'mon on Big Guy, you know better than that...

So, at 22, can you please explain what makes Rose so much better than Curry...

Rose: 16.3 ppg - 3.8 rbs - 6.1 ast - 47.5% fg - 22.2% 3p
Curry: 17.5 ppg - 4.5 rbs - 5.9 ast - 46.2% fg - 43.7 3p

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

 

[Amajorfucup]

I just posted a comparison of them for their 22 year old seasons... and again, you're theory is failing bruh. Curry had a better season at 22 than Rose did.

So, at 22, can you please explain what makes Rose so much better than Curry...

Rose: 16.3 ppg - 3.8 rbs - 6.1 ast - 47.5% fg - 22.2% 3p
Curry: 17.5 ppg - 4.5 rbs - 5.9 ast - 46.2% fg - 43.7 3p

Yea... this is why its hard to take you seriously bro. I try to engage you on some serious shit but then you go do shit like this and it results in me telling you how fucking stupid you are. Imma tell you like i tell my nephews man... Recheck your work son.. Your math is off.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Stockton is the all time steals leader. He would get cooked by practically any starting PG in the league right now. Iverson often was a steals leader and he was a horrible one on one defender. Steals is not a good sole indicator of defensive ability. Stop.

Magic Johnson was an average defender who gave you versatility because of his size. Magic never made the all defensive team. ..not even 3rd defensive team.

stockton played against hall of famer pg's and better pg's overall so what makes u think he'd get cooked by today lesser pg's

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

The sports world has a short attention span these days so quick to want to crown someone a goat....from Lebron to Curry... Tom Brady to Aaron Rodgers.....Mike Trout to Bryce Harper....slow down

 

[grownazzblakman]

Stockton is the all time steals leader. He would get cooked by practically any starting PG in the league right now. Iverson often was a steals leader and he was a horrible one on one defender. Steals is not a good sole indicator of defensive ability. Stop.

I didn't say sole indicator. You did.

Magic was like top 10 in DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING at the very same time he Led he the league in STEALS... During back to back seasons. :yes

He was getting steals & stops & crashing the boards. The only thing he didn't do on defense was block shots into the cheap seats.

But too many of y'all are concerned with using 'one-on-one' defense as your 'measuring stick' of whether or not someone plays good d.

The only thing that counts to some of y'all is being a lockdown 'one-on-one' defender.

And if someone can get past you on a dribble move...