We won't know but we can guess.
Needing to guard him from every spot on the floor doesn't change no matter what is on the front of the uniform
Has Steph Curry supplanted LeBron as the 'Best Player in the World?' (CP Alert)
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We won't know but we can guess.
Needing to guard him from every spot on the floor doesn't change no matter what is on the front of the uniform
Ok. So you're saying he had the better individual season this year, but Lebron is the still the better overall player because he's a more complete player. That was my argument early in the season.
I have another question for you. Curry can likely never be the type of complete player that Lebron is.. mainly because of size. He just can't do some of the things that Lebron can (vice versa too).. so the question is.. is it possible or Curry to be a better player? If he improved his defense and also upped his assists, would it even be possible for him to be a more complete player than Lebron... like is it weighted to where his offensive prowess can override some of his limitations?
He did that last night! Lmao
Klay Thompson went nuts because steph curry was on the court.
Thompson is on fire and you can't leave steph you have to let klay score 30 points thru 3 quarters because you can't let steph get going.
Thompson literally was not scoring in that game when he was on the court and steph wasn't that's what literally happened.
So this gets to a bigger question.. is there a ceiling on small players?
I remember when people used to say that Zeke would have been the best player in the league is has 6 inches taller (obviously that would have changed his game though too so it's a flawed argument) but is there is ceiling on little guys because they can't dominate in the same way on both sides of the floor that a bigger player can.
When I said Jordan wasn't "Jordan", I meant Jordan wasn't the GOAT his first few years in the league. Jordan worked on his game throughout his career and became much better than he was his first couple of years.
No because the argument will be lebron can guard 1 thru 5 when it's physically impossible for curry to do it and it will always be the talking point nobody will say "well he's short " they'll say so what lebron can do it and they're right.
If the nigga wins 6 titles
They will still say it's the system it's the 2nd round draft picks it's the journeymen reserves that allow him to be great.
Not the fact that he has ressurected their careers
I believe for many people there is a ceiling for small players.
So 50 years from now? Lol maybe for some but it's simple for me. I need to see a decade snapshot. All this greatest talk for two seasons is crazy. He's injury prone too. Way too early
But as of right now, he's the man
Post them fuck ass 22 year old stats you pulled out your ass again and then lets discuss who the senile one is..
That's why I lol at gene cause he really think a Cavs /GS finals is going 7 games
Only advantage Cavs got is at the SF in Bron that's it.. Everywhere else GS got them by a mile..
I already see the cavs gameplay they gonna rotate Thompson and Frye at the 5.. Bogut guard Thompson and Mo buckets on Frye cause Frye ain't putting that ball on the floor he just gonna stay outside and spot up and another counter to that is Kerr gonna put Green on anyone Lue put at the center
Klay gonna put JR on lock and love is a horrible defender
Then you got Livingston coming off the bench.. Deli going to get raped in the post...
Only play makers on the Cavs is Bron and Kyrie.. GS got bout 8-9
Add the experience of being in the finals before and winning a chip..
Don't be surprised that over in 5 games
Everyone has a different perspective on best player (or more complete player), etc.
That's why I'm asking the question. Because if the criteria is weighted more towards versatility, then small guards are always going to be excluded. They have limits on who they can defend and also limits as to where they can have an impact on the floor (post play,defensive rebounding, etc).
I'm of the opinion that versatility can but doesn't necessarily make you better. Lebron is a more versatile defender than Kawhi Leonard but Leonard is the better defender.
So let's say Curry upped his defensive and started making the defensive team, would it still be impossible because he simply could never have the same type of impact as bigger players?
Might take that long
I mean by then the Jordan stans who act like Jordan never missed shot won't be alive .
Until then any comparisons are blasphemous
I think folk having a hard time processing what they are actually witnessing... Everyone is use to the big physically imposing player throughout the years that would dominate the game.. Steph been ascending upward in play since he came into the league even aside from the ankle injuries he's gotten better every year it's just nobody ain't notice until last year lol
But Steph ain't nothing new in regards to his size.. Zeke, AI, Tim Hardaway etc every Earl Boykins at 5'5 dropped 40 a few times on mofos
However nobody except for one player(Jordan) has defenses scared as fuck when on the floor.. This nigga Curry is automatic from beyond that 3pt line.. He can get to the rack at will and split double teams like its nothing
he's surpassed lebron right now but overall body of work lebron will have him beat. lebron been consistent since he got in the league steph just got really popular last year. lebron if he stays consistent could be the all time leader in points scored when he retires plus dude literally is a franchise changer
Post them fuck ass 22 year old stats you pulled out your ass again and then lets discuss who the senile one is..
Leave me alone...
He hasn't had a major injury in what, 4 seasons now, and only had one season where he lost major games to injury so... how is that injury phone again?
yep
Steph is a like a streaky shooting muthafucka that gets hot every fucking game.
It's like merging AI with Ray Allen but the merger ends up with better handles than AI and a better shot than Allen
What we learned when he went down is just how stacked that GS team is. Usually, when Lebron goes down, his teams go to complete shit. Lebron led his championship team in points, rebounds, and assists. It's crazy how he can dominate all aspects of the game.
Which is scary as fuck.Steph is a like a streaky shooting muthafucka that gets hot every fucking game.
It's like merging AI with Ray Allen but the merger ends up with better handles than AI and a better shot than Allen
Gene, all due respect, but I've been asking for a while now, how exactly is GS stacked again? What makes them stacked? I seriously would like to know bruh, so since you made the contention, I'm asking you...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/lebron-james-steph-curry-nba-mvp-comments-cavs
This season has been a weird one for LeBron James. After looking like he would finally guide the Cleveland Cavaliers to their long-awaited NBA Championship last year, his team was outclassed by Golden State in the finals. Then, this season, LeBron watched as Steph Curry led the Warriors to an incredible, historic season.
Curry walked away as the first unanimous MVP in NBA history this week, and after being asked about it on Wednesday night, LeBron came back with a curious response:
“I think sometimes the word ‘valuable’ or best player of the year, you can have different results.”
He continued:
“Look at Steph’s numbers. He averaged 30, he led the league in steals, he was 90-50-40 (shooting percentages from the free-throw line, field and 3-pointers), and they won 73 (games). So, I don’t, do you have any debate over that, really, when it comes to that award? But when you talk about most ‘valuable’ then you can have a different conversation, so, take nothing away from him, he’s definitely deserving of that award, for sure.”
It’s important to note that LeBron isn’t incorrect. Statistically speaking, Curry has been the best player in the NBA this season, but evaluating value does require a different conversation. Take Curry off the Warriors and they still have a solid chance of winning the NBA title. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they’d be working to sneak into the playoffs. Steph may have been the better player, but in that landscape, can you really say he’s more valuable to his team than LeBron?
It’s not an overtly strange thought process. What’s weird is that LeBron actually actually felt the need to say it.
It’s been a recurring theme this season, too. His passive-aggressive tweets. His flirtations with leaving. His praising of opponents. Now, his theorizing on the word “valuable.”
Playing on a team has always meant more to LeBron than winning. He wants to win (obviously) but he also wants to form bonds with his teammates. He wants to create memories, and more than anything else, he wants to be the guy driving things forward. Not in a Kobe Bryant, hog-the-ball-and-take-a-million-shots-a-game type of way. He’s happy to spread the ball around and help others shine, but he also wants people to know that he’s the guy spreading the ball around and making other people shine.
That’s what’s driving him insane about Steph Curry this season. Fans are at the point now where they expect LeBron to be LeBron, but they look at Steph and are utterly and completely astonished. After years of King James’s rule, Steph is securing himself on the throne of basketball’s new era.
LeBron does these things for attention. He’s a thin-skinned superstar that needs to be praised at all times. Instead staying quiet and using Steph’s MVP for more motivation, he’s busy standing in the corner and waving his hands, finding subtle ways for people to tell him how great he is.
This season has been a weird one for LeBron James. After looking like he would finally guide the Cleveland Cavaliers to their long-awaited NBA Championship last year, his team was outclassed by Golden State in the finals. Then, this season, LeBron watched as Steph Curry led the Warriors to an incredible, historic season.
Curry walked away as the first unanimous MVP in NBA history this week, and after being asked about it on Wednesday night, LeBron came back with a curious response:
“I think sometimes the word ‘valuable’ or best player of the year, you can have different results.”
He continued:
“Look at Steph’s numbers. He averaged 30, he led the league in steals, he was 90-50-40 (shooting percentages from the free-throw line, field and 3-pointers), and they won 73 (games). So, I don’t, do you have any debate over that, really, when it comes to that award? But when you talk about most ‘valuable’ then you can have a different conversation, so, take nothing away from him, he’s definitely deserving of that award, for sure.”
It’s important to note that LeBron isn’t incorrect. Statistically speaking, Curry has been the best player in the NBA this season, but evaluating value does require a different conversation. Take Curry off the Warriors and they still have a solid chance of winning the NBA title. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they’d be working to sneak into the playoffs. Steph may have been the better player, but in that landscape, can you really say he’s more valuable to his team than LeBron?
It’s not an overtly strange thought process. What’s weird is that LeBron actually actually felt the need to say it.
It’s been a recurring theme this season, too. His passive-aggressive tweets. His flirtations with leaving. His praising of opponents. Now, his theorizing on the word “valuable.”
Playing on a team has always meant more to LeBron than winning. He wants to win (obviously) but he also wants to form bonds with his teammates. He wants to create memories, and more than anything else, he wants to be the guy driving things forward. Not in a Kobe Bryant, hog-the-ball-and-take-a-million-shots-a-game type of way. He’s happy to spread the ball around and help others shine, but he also wants people to know that he’s the guy spreading the ball around and making other people shine.
That’s what’s driving him insane about Steph Curry this season. Fans are at the point now where they expect LeBron to be LeBron, but they look at Steph and are utterly and completely astonished. After years of King James’s rule, Steph is securing himself on the throne of basketball’s new era.
LeBron does these things for attention. He’s a thin-skinned superstar that needs to be praised at all times. Instead staying quiet and using Steph’s MVP for more motivation, he’s busy standing in the corner and waving his hands, finding subtle ways for people to tell him how great he is.
It's not so much that they are stacked with superstar talent. Curry is the only superstar on the team.
But they do have two other all stars and all surrounding role players fit in their system, so they get to maximize their potential. No one is asked to do something they can't do and no one is wasted.
Think about it, last year it was Iguodala who won the finals MVP. That's the true sign of a complete team.
Overall if you take Curry out it still looks like they finish top 5 or 6 in the West.
They are not stacked.
We learned that the gm put together a team.
Iggy Barbosa Livingston Clark Barnes bogut are not max deal players
Let's stop the nonsense. It's not stacked they work together good as a team none of the players that they didnt draft were coveted in free agency not 1.
So is that a stacked team, or a great coach who implemented an amazing system?
And with him 73 wins which is the point.
Don't penalize curry because his gm did his job
All those key reserves on this team were available for cheap everywhere else none were a big signing not 1. They got signed and the immediate thought was "well hopefully they can contribute "
I wish Lebron would stop giving interviews. These simple minded fools dont deserve it. Everybody is always trying to psychoanalize him and pretend that they are "reporting news". It's tired.
Didn't Steph lead the leauge in steals?
There's a big difference between Steph Curry & Magic Johnson, as far as 'defense' goes...
Because Magic could DEFEND all 5 positions.
He played BOTH sides of the ball, at every spot.
Not just offense alone.
2x NBA Playoffs steals leader (1980, 1982)
2x NBA Playoffs total steals leader (1980, 1983)
Curry cannot DEFEND power forwards & centers (down in the paint) like Magic could.
I'm not penalize him or minimizing his greatness.
He is already the 2nd best PG of all time to me.
I just talked about his teammates. And I didn't even get into how well coached they are.
Curry is a better Shooter.... That's about it.
Yep. His whole argument was null and void from the very beginning.
So if he never played another game, he's already second to Magic (assuming he's your number 1)?
It depends on how you define "stacked" in basketball terms. As it pertains to the individual talents, they are not stacked, but the collection of talents make them a stacked team.
But I prefer the term "complete" in regards to the Warriors.
Cue Cam'Ron
Yes, He did.
Steph lead the league in steals.But it's not the steals ALONE that make the difference.
This is the big FACT that Spectrum refuses to accept. Which makes all his dumbass responses so worthless.
There were 23 teams in the league.
Magic led the league in steals.... AND... He was grabbing MORE Defensive Rebounds than half the Centers and Power Forwards in the league at the same time.
Curry is not doing that.
And could never do that.
THAT's the big difference.
Then add on the fact that Magic could DEFEND all 5 spots on the floor.
See what I mean?
Spectrum keeps harping on steals alone.
Or rebounding alone.
GTFOH
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