Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[TimRock]

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

thats a good theory

 

[yaBoi]

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

 

[sharkbait28]

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

Read all the books and NEVER considered this..... thanks for sharing. Your 'speculation' rings true.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

Wow. THAT would be CRAZY!!

Thanks for the insight.
Good to know.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

good theory

 

[45mm]

I read the books so i wont give it away to anybody. but there is alot of good insight in this thread. Alot of you guys have been dead on with some of your theories.

I still say you guys need to read the books.

 

[Flawless]

if you have read the books please don't post any fucking spoilers because most of us haven't read them, we are just going off what we have seen in the series.

 

[Mr MajestiK]

yea i was ready to ride on the wooden horses through the poison sea for homie

 

[LSN]

I haven't read the books yet (I'll read the first when this season ends) but fro what I do know I can't. Imagine them completely following the book especially in regards to deaths that I've heard occur. TV and books are 2 different things and people tend to get attached to characters on shows, that would be risky IMO

Ya that's one reason why The Walkng Dead got ruined for me...a character or two that should've died survived

 

[LSN]

Jesus Christ I fuckin hate you but that's a sound ass theory especially w/ the series title

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

 

[Mt. Yukon]

damn man poor ned i hope they dont do anything to his daughters

The younger daughter is cool, the older one can get buck 50ed.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

nah i understand her motives, i just think it was stupid to do.
she wants justice for her baby and i understand it. but there is a way you can get it without basically sending the families to war immediately and abandoning all your other children and getting your husband fucked up and forced to face the consequences of your actions because he is a noble man.

she could have come to him and said look this is what it is, and trust he would do right, because he would. he puts family above all else, so if he knew then he'd take action the correct way instead of finding out about shit from other people.

Right it was an emotional decision from an emotional person. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and address it when the opportunity presents itself. Thats a big crime to accuse someone of with no concrete proof, especially given who he is... Sometimes chicks need to stay in the backround and let the man use logic to solve the situation.

 

[keone]

You really need to read the books man. It will suck you in and you'll see there is more to Tyrion than just fucking and drinking. That little mutha fucka is cunning as hell.

you can see it on the show

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Right it was an emotional decision from an emotional person. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and address it when the opportunity presents itself. Thats a big crime to accuse someone of with no concrete proof, especially given who he is... Sometimes chicks need to stay in the backround and let the man use logic to solve the situation.

we saw who did it but they didn't so judging purely from them, how do you run with the evidence they had?
the dagger was given to them and the guy that told them who it belonged to, is now currently double crossing ned because he wants his wife for himself

shit is idiotic.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

we saw who did it but they didn't so judging purely from them, how do you run with the evidence they had?
the dagger was given to them and the guy that told them who it belonged to, is now currently double crossing ned because he wants his wife for himself

shit is idiotic.

You notice that Petyr told that story to that one chick that was from Winterfell...

The one thing I wonder is why Petyr said it was Tyrion's dagger.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Right it was an emotional decision from an emotional person. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and address it when the opportunity presents itself. Thats a big crime to accuse someone of with no concrete proof, especially given who he is... Sometimes chicks need to stay in the backround and let the man use logic to solve the situation.

lol Ya'll acting like she had this all planned. She left King's Landing to go back HOME. At an Inn on the way back lil man just happened to pop in there. She is accusing dude. She didn't kill him. She had every right to take him for a crime she believed he committed. She didn't KNOW her sister was batshit crazy. All any of them is that shit is going down that they don't know about. When she told Ned what was happening he didn't tell her NOT to do anything.

Ya'll buggin lol

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

You notice that Petyr told that story to that one chick that was from Winterfell...

The one thing I wonder is why Petyr said it was Tyrion's dagger.

Tyrion said it was his dagger.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

lol Ya'll acting like she had this all planned. She left King's Landing to go back HOME. At an Inn on the way back lil man just happened to pop in there. She is accusing dude. She didn't kill him. She had every right to take him for a crime she believed he committed. She didn't KNOW her sister was batshit crazy. All any of them is that shit is going down that they don't know about. When she told Ned what was happening he didn't tell her NOT to do anything.

Ya'll buggin lol

but that's exactly the point though
she didn't have a plan, so her doing the shit on the fly basically got her husband stabbed up and her family and homeland in peril
her sister and all of that has nothing to do with it. that just goes into it not making sense and not thinking things through.
so because he didn't say "hey don't just randomly cause an international mess and kidnap him without any real proof and take him far away, while me and the girls are here and are easy targets and could easily get killed" that means she doesn't have the common sense to think that? she had no right to do it cause she's not the one paying for it
she needed to fall back and let her husband lead, know her place and let him handle it .
now her husband has to cover for some shit and say it was his command and him take the fall for all of it when he didn't have to

she acted reckless and now they pay

the husband dug deeper investigated and not only got the queen to give the verbal proof that he needed but also got her to admit the prince wasn't even roberts son

now who's course of action made the most sense? especially considering that after all of that, she ended up having to let the gimp go free because he won his freedom through the trial process, now what? the gimp is on his way back home, and has something against the stark family....she arrested the WRONG MAN, the queen now knows that ned knows her secret and is gonna try and get him killed, and she STILL has no justice for anything that's happened...
stop making excuses for her, she fucked up

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You notice that Petyr told that story to that one chick that was from Winterfell...

The one thing I wonder is why Petyr said it was Tyrion's dagger.

yup i noticed it, i knew it from their interactions when she first came back, ned looked like i know you want my woman and i fucked you up before and ill do it again, which is why she pleaded with him and told him he was a friend...another stupid decision listening to her, when in reality he wasn't. she was on some oh he's over it and he's just a friend...when clearly he wasn't over it and he wanted her...which was clear to ned which is why he acted the way he did.

 

[Cant Get Right]

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One thing that should be better next year, and I expect will effect the direwolves directly is that the CGI team is being upped from 6 for Season 1 (not including the credits, which were done by an outside contractor) to over 30 for Season 2. And I believe the plan is go fully CGI for the direwolves in Season 2. Using the real animals just hasn't worked out for them the way they hoped.

I was really disappointed when Robb fought the wildings to save Bran, Summer and Grey Wind were supposed to be there wrecking shop.

 

[Jae]

but that's exactly the point though
she didn't have a plan, so her doing the shit on the fly basically got her husband stabbed up and her family and homeland in peril
her sister and all of that has nothing to do with it. that just goes into it not making sense and not thinking things through.
so because he didn't say "hey don't just randomly cause an international mess and kidnap him without any real proof and take him far away, while me and the girls are here and are easy targets and could easily get killed" that means she doesn't have the common sense to think that? she had no right to do it cause she's not the one paying for it
she needed to fall back and let her husband lead, know her place and let him handle it .
now her husband has to cover for some shit and say it was his command and him take the fall for all of it when he didn't have to

she acted reckless and now they pay

the husband dug deeper investigated and not only got the queen to give the verbal proof that he needed but also got her to admit the prince wasn't even roberts son

now who's course of action made the most sense? especially considering that after all of that, she ended up having to let the gimp go free because he won his freedom through the trial process, now what? the gimp is on his way back home, and has something against the stark family....she arrested the WRONG MAN, the queen now knows that ned knows her secret and is gonna try and get him killed, and she STILL has no justice for anything that's happened...
stop making excuses for her, she fucked up

basically

 

[michant2]

I was really disappointed when Robb fought the wildings to save Bran, Summer and Grey Wind were supposed to be there wrecking shop.

That scene didn't have the effect that it should have had since the direwolves weren't there. The writers were able to salvage it with giving us more character development with Greyjoy, but it would have been nice to have had the direwolves tearing out throats. I know they were probably having issues with getting the wolves to cooperate, but still.

 

[dawilleyone]

Ya I barely started the book...I'm on the 3rd entry...the little girl I think...but when reading the part where they found the direwolf slain I remember them being described as big

Keep in mind they are newborn when found. So this first season they only need to get as big as an adult dog.

BTW are you all catching the constant symbolism around the Sigils and animals in the show?

Direwolf (sigil of house stark) killed by a Stag (Sigil of house Baratheon) but survives long enough to give birth to 6 pups (6 stark children)

Stag (Baratheon) being gutted and and dressed by Lord Tywin (Lion of Lannister) while King Robert (stag sigil) is gutted by a boar while hunting drunk. Who was constantly making sure his cup was full. Jamie's cousin Lancel (a fuckn Lannister)

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

but that's exactly the point though
she didn't have a plan, so her doing the shit on the fly basically got her husband stabbed up and her family and homeland in peril
her sister and all of that has nothing to do with it. that just goes into it not making sense and not thinking things through.
so because he didn't say "hey don't just randomly cause an international mess and kidnap him without any real proof and take him far away, while me and the girls are here and are easy targets and could easily get killed" that means she doesn't have the common sense to think that? she had no right to do it cause she's not the one paying for it
she needed to fall back and let her husband lead, know her place and let him handle it .
now her husband has to cover for some shit and say it was his command and him take the fall for all of it when he didn't have to

she acted reckless and now they pay

the husband dug deeper investigated and not only got the queen to give the verbal proof that he needed but also got her to admit the prince wasn't even roberts son

now who's course of action made the most sense? especially considering that after all of that, she ended up having to let the gimp go free because he won his freedom through the trial process, now what? the gimp is on his way back home, and has something against the stark family....she arrested the WRONG MAN, the queen now knows that ned knows her secret and is gonna try and get him killed, and she STILL has no justice for anything that's happened...
stop making excuses for her, she fucked up

c/s


I remember Robert saying he didnt trust the Lannisters because their was so many of them at Kings Landing

Catelyn put Ned in a fucked up situation knowing full well the Lannister's wasnt gonna sit back and let her kidnap Tyrion....Like I said Ned should of brought this situation to Robert's attention but I think he didnt want it to be a burden on him..

yup i noticed it, i knew it from their interactions when she first came back, ned looked like i know you want my woman and i fucked you up before and ill do it again, which is why she pleaded with him and told him he was a friend...another stupid decision listening to her, when in reality he wasn't. she was on some oh he's over it and he's just a friend...when clearly he wasn't over it and he wanted her...which was clear to ned which is why he acted the way he did.

That was Ned's biggest mistake for trusting Petyr,if I knew some dude was still in love with my wife I wouldnt take his word at all.....

 

[dawilleyone]

Wow. THAT would be CRAZY!!

Thanks for the insight.
Good to know.

I have read the first three books, and Martin sill has yet to reveal Jon Snow's mother. So what I am going to write is not a spoiler it is speculation. As a matter of fact there are whole websites dedicated to theorizing who his mother is.

When Jon Snow is described he is always described as looking like a true Stark and son of the North. So we know that at least one parent is a Stark. Ned treats Jon as if he was his own son, but most bastards are discarded.

My theory is that Rhaegar Targaryen, the Crown Prince, kidnapped Lyanna and they were secretly lovers and that while he had her at the Tower of Joy she gave birth to Jon Snow. Ned went to the Tower with Howland Reed and several men. I think Ned found Lyanna dying after she had just given birth. She made Ned promise to keep the baby safe. Ned knew that all Targaryens were being slaughtered and he wasn't going to allow that to happen to his sister's child especially after make the promise. Ned and Howland Reed are the only survivors of the rescue attempt and thus the only ones who know Jon's parentage. If Robert knew that Jon Snow was a child of a Targaryen especially one that he assumed kidnapped and raped Lyanna, the love of his life, he would cut off Jon's head without a thought. Jon is effectively the rightful heir to the throne. I think the title of the series A Song of Ice and Fire, means a story about Jon and Daenerys. When all is said and done, they are going to battle each other at some point for the throne. I think that Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised. IMHO

That is the most popular theory to Jon's lineage. amongst peeps who have been reading the series from the beginning. Its called the R+L=J theory lol

If everything in that theory is accurate Jon would still not be the rightful heir unless Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. Otherwise Jon is still just a bastard (even if his lineage is nobile on both sides).

Also, who says that Jon and Daenerys have to battle each other???????

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

but that's exactly the point though
she didn't have a plan, so her doing the shit on the fly basically got her husband stabbed up and her family and homeland in peril
her sister and all of that has nothing to do with it. that just goes into it not making sense and not thinking things through.
so because he didn't say "hey don't just randomly cause an international mess and kidnap him without any real proof and take him far away, while me and the girls are here and are easy targets and could easily get killed" that means she doesn't have the common sense to think that? she had no right to do it cause she's not the one paying for it
she needed to fall back and let her husband lead, know her place and let him handle it .
now her husband has to cover for some shit and say it was his command and him take the fall for all of it when he didn't have to

she acted reckless and now they pay

the husband dug deeper investigated and not only got the queen to give the verbal proof that he needed but also got her to admit the prince wasn't even roberts son

now who's course of action made the most sense? especially considering that after all of that, she ended up having to let the gimp go free because he won his freedom through the trial process, now what? the gimp is on his way back home, and has something against the stark family....she arrested the WRONG MAN, the queen now knows that ned knows her secret and is gonna try and get him killed, and she STILL has no justice for anything that's happened...
stop making excuses for her, she fucked up

Welcome to LIFE. Sometimes stuff doesn't go as planned. Sometimes stuff doesn't happen with reason. It just HAPPENS. You make and take the opportunity of what's given to you when it's given. Everybody knows that. Hell our boy Ned didn't have a plan either. His whole time in King's Landing has been pretty much "winging it". That's how life goes.

There was no fallback...because he wasn't there. This is what they call...a JUDGEMENT CALL. Sometimes judgement calls aren't good, sometimes they go bad. Her husband got stabbed up because Jaime wanted to be a bad man and attack the King's Hand in the King's city. Which to ME and apparently since he went on the RUN is illegal to do.

She made the right call originally. Ned would've done the same thing. I doubt he would've taken the imp to the Eyrie but still. Capturing him was the right move.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

That scene didn't have the effect that it should have had since the direwolves weren't there. The writers were able to salvage it with giving us more character development with Greyjoy, but it would have been nice to have had the direwolves tearing out throats. I know they were probably having issues with getting the wolves to cooperate, but still.

Whaaaaat you mean they passed up a chance to sport the wolves!?!

BULL! I love those wolves! lol Why does Snow's wolf look all tiny tho?

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

That is the most popular theory to Jon's lineage. amongst peeps who have been reading the series from the beginning. Its called the R+L=J theory lol

If everything in that theory is accurate Jon would still not be the rightful heir unless Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. Otherwise Jon is still just a bastard (even if his lineage is nobile on both sides).

Also, who says that Jon and Daenerys have to battle each other???????

Unneccasary hint givin ass.

I was thinking that myself. I don't believe Daenerys and the Starks would have any beef with each other really. The Starks don't want to rule. But they damn sure don't want the Lannisters to have control, especially after what happened with the little one. And what i suspect is going to happen with Ned. I think it'd make the story better for Jon and Daenerys to ally....And then together they could kill off the Lannisters from the north and the south.

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Welcome to LIFE. Sometimes stuff doesn't go as planned. Sometimes stuff doesn't happen with reason. It just HAPPENS. You make and take the opportunity of what's given to you when it's given. Everybody knows that. Hell our boy Ned didn't have a plan either. His whole time in King's Landing has been pretty much "winging it". That's how life goes.

There was no fallback...because he wasn't there. This is what they call...a JUDGEMENT CALL. Sometimes judgement calls aren't good, sometimes they go bad. Her husband got stabbed up because Jaime wanted to be a bad man and attack the King's Hand in the King's city. Which to ME and apparently since he went on the RUN is illegal to do.

She made the right call originally. Ned would've done the same thing. I doubt he would've taken the imp to the Eyrie but still. Capturing him was the right move.

Ned didnt want to be the King's Hand in the first place,the only reason why he took it was because he's the only person that Robert can trust and he went there to investigate who murdered Jon Arryn because he was a father figure to him and Robert.....He didnt know Cateyln would do some dumb shit as kidnap Tyrion on her way to Winterfell so I dont understand where you get the idea saying Ned had no plan...


As for Catelyn how can you say that's life when she should of known by kidnapping one of family member from the most powerful family in Westros....The Lannister's isnt the type of family to allow anyone to ruin their reputation...This is like saying someone kidnapping a child from a powerful family and not expect no consequences...

Catelyn made Ned's job alot harder than it should be especially when he's trying to find who killed Jon Arryn...

 

[dawilleyone]

Ned didnt want to be the King's Hand in the first place,the only reason why he took it was because he's the only person that Robert can trust and he went there to investigate who murdered Jon Arryn because he was a father figure to him and Robert.....He didnt know Cateyln would do some dumb shit as kidnap Tyrion on her way to Winterfell so I dont understand where you get the idea saying Ned had no plan...


As for Catelyn how can you say that's life when she should of known by kidnapping one of family member from the most powerful family in Westros....The Lannister's isnt the type of family to allow anyone to ruin their reputation...This is like saying someone kidnapping a child from a powerful family and not expect no consequences...

Catelyn made Ned's job alot harder than it should be especially when he's trying to find who killed Jon Arryn...

couple of things to consider here. For one thing Catelyn really believed that Tyrion was responsible for hiring the person who tried to kill Brand.

If you remember she didn't jump up right away and confront Tyrion when he first came in the Inn, she tried to hide. Once Tyrion called her out, I think she panicked out of fear for her own safety and Brands. She then realized she had the opportunity to get the person who she believed killed her son under custody and took that chance.

Keep in mind Cat doesn't really know why Brand was pushed out the window in the first place, she only knows that someone tried to kill him after her survived the fall. She's making a connection between the two events which is logical but inaccurate.

One of the things about Catelyn in the story is that her concern for her children trumps ALL other concerns (including honor, the law, what makes sense). You'll see that play out all the way through the books/series.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

if you have read the books please don't post any fucking spoilers because most of us haven't read them, we are just going off what we have seen in the series.

Co-sign, YOU FUCKS!

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Welcome to LIFE. Sometimes stuff doesn't go as planned. Sometimes stuff doesn't happen with reason. It just HAPPENS. You make and take the opportunity of what's given to you when it's given. Everybody knows that. Hell our boy Ned didn't have a plan either. His whole time in King's Landing has been pretty much "winging it". That's how life goes.

really? welcome to life that's the best you can do?
nah that's not it at all im sorry but that just doesn't make sense. when everything you do is important and potentially life threatening you have have moer to go off of than taking the opportunity cause its there. cause there are always consequences for your actions WELCOME TO LIFE
his whole time in kings landing wasn't winging it until his wife put him in a fucked up situation that he didn't plan for and he had to scramble to stay alive and save his family
consequences of her actions that were unnecessary and reckless. that is not how life goes, you don't just randomly do shit that potentially gets your family killed cause you saw the opportunity to do it that makes no sense.

There was no fallback...because he wasn't there. This is what they call...a JUDGEMENT CALL. Sometimes judgement calls aren't good, sometimes they go bad. Her husband got stabbed up because Jaime wanted to be a bad man and attack the King's Hand in the King's city. Which to ME and apparently since he went on the RUN is illegal to do.

no he got stabbed up because she took his brother. if she doesn't kidnap his brother, none of his men die and he doesn't have a limp and a cane right now simple as that. did you forget what the entire confrontation was about? he ran up on him and asked him why he took his brother (he didn't but he had to cover for it since saying my wife did this dumb shit wouldn't fly and wouldn't be "noble") and then proceeded to get into it and many men have died cause of her actions ALREADY
again a price she doesn't have to pay.... how many more will die because she just went with it? what if her husband had gotten killed then...then what? her judgment call would be ok too then?

She made the right call originally. Ned would've done the same thing. I doubt he would've taken the imp to the Eyrie but still. Capturing him was the right move.

capturing him was entirely the wrong move ESPECIALLY SINCE WE KNOW HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
why do you keep forgetting this? he had nothing to do with it and it made even less sense to kidnap him cause he recognized her in the tavern...
ned would have done what he did, investigated plotted found out the truth of who was behind it and what was the motive AND THEN came to it to robert and got it handled. ROBERT TRUSTED NED
do you see? ned shitted on robert and said fuck being the kings hand because they're trying to kill the girl and her child... any other man would be put to death because of it....ned just gets his place back and told don't let it happen again... ned gets to be protector of the realm from the king himself because he trusted him so... so if ned came to him with the facts robert would have acted accordingly

instead her making a "judgement call" "welcome to life" sort of action robbed him of the chance to handle things properly. and totally ruined everything that could have been


stop making excuses for her
it wasn't right on any level no matter how you try and rationalize it


basically what you're saying in defending her is, people can do whatever they want to do on the fly have it affect their families and loved ones and the others just have to deal with it and fight for their lives...and its ok cause it was their call even though they are in no immediate danger or peril but their actions have put everyone they live in it big time...

 

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That was Ned's biggest mistake for trusting Petyr,if I knew some dude was still in love with my wife I wouldnt take his word at all.....

he didn't trust him at all
his instinct was to leave dude alone and to just not fuck with him at all

but guess who pleaded for him to trust him and to deal with him and everything was ok "he's just a friend"? that's right you guessed it
mrs wreck less ima do what i want to and if my family dies because of it so be it

 

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couple of things to consider here. For one thing Catelyn really believed that Tyrion was responsible for hiring the person who tried to kill Brand.

If you remember she didn't jump up right away and confront Tyrion when he first came in the Inn, she tried to hide. Once Tyrion called her out, I think she panicked out of fear for her own safety and Brands. She then realized she had the opportunity to get the person who she believed killed her son under custody and took that chance.

Keep in mind Cat doesn't really know why Brand was pushed out the window in the first place, she only knows that someone tried to kill him after her survived the fall. She's making a connection between the two events which is logical but inaccurate.

One of the things about Catelyn in the story is that her concern for her children trumps ALL other concerns (including honor, the law, what makes sense). You'll see that play out all the way through the books/series.

i understand that but it still doesnt excuse it
she could
have gotten her daughters killed over her son
then what would that be?
its not about honor its about what makes sense
she tried to hide, and he recognized her so he said hey wassup.
she should have said wassup and kept it moving
her being careless and crazy arrested him wrongly
while her husband found out who really did it..

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

couple of things to consider here. For one thing Catelyn really believed that Tyrion was responsible for hiring the person who tried to kill Brand.

If you remember she didn't jump up right away and confront Tyrion when he first came in the Inn, she tried to hide. Once Tyrion called her out, I think she panicked out of fear for her own safety and Brands. She then realized she had the opportunity to get the person who she believed killed her son under custody and took that chance.

Keep in mind Cat doesn't really know why Brand was pushed out the window in the first place, she only knows that someone tried to kill him after her survived the fall. She's making a connection between the two events which is logical but inaccurate.

One of the things about Catelyn in the story is that her concern for her children trumps ALL other concerns (including honor, the law, what makes sense). You'll see that play out all the way through the books/series.

As ANY mother should. And probably will. And the reason why men marry us is for this reason as well. lol Let a muthafucka hurt 1 of my the planet ain't big enough for you to hide from me.

And any man who marries a woman who's dedicated to her family knows this as well. Just like i'm willing to BET Ned does. Like i said...it was a judgement call in the moment. He'd have done the same thing