I shouldn't have watched that trailer. Now April can't get here fast enough
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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I can't lie, I would wife emilia clarke
I think the use of the word consecutive means it’s gonna stay in one episode.^^^This... but after all these years of seeing how Game of Thrones gets down... I predict the ‘whole battle’ not take place in 1 single episode.
It will probably go about 20 minutes in one episode... end with a CRAZY cliffhanger... then pick right back up, right smack “in the middle of the action” in the very next episode.
With EVEN MORE spectacular stuff happening.
Unless it’s the very last episode of the whole series, that is. If it was the very last episode... then I could see it all happening in a single episode.
When she's got the Dany look going speaking high valyrian she's 1 of the sexiest ever
They would still be waiting on season 4-5 if they had to wait on GRRM
GRRM said the ending will be the same but books and show go different routes
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-thrones-season-8-begins-150028121.html
I think you have to watch all seven seasons to understand the true importance of his death and the knowledge he took to the grave with him.
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Ehhh... and so it would be like Star Wars in the sense of not being in chronological order, since the 2 spin offs will be prequels... i would prefer it chronologically but hey who am i
Yeah, she's waaay behind the 8 ball, because Littlefinget was just getting started. She will have her "Oh DAMN" moment in due time
I really hope they dont short change us on the length of the episodes..
- Season 8 Episode 1 - 54 minutes
- Season 8 Episode 2 - 58 minutes
- Season 8 Episode 3 - 60 minutes
- Season 8 Episode 4 - 78 minutes
- Season 8 Episode 5 - 80 minutes
- Season 8 Episode 6 - 80 minutes
https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/03/11/game-of-thrones-season-8-episodes-runtimes-reportedly-revealed
Game Of Thrones is doing what its source material couldn’t: Coming to an end
Zack Handlen
Thursday 6:00am
Filed to:GAME OF THRONES
The characters from one of the novel covers looks on to the show's final season
Photo: Game Of Thrones (HBO/Helen Sloan)
Eight years after the release of A Dance With Dragons, the fifth book in George R.R. Martin’s A Song Of Ice And Fire remains its last. Martin has been promising the follow-up, The Winds Of Winter, to readers almost since he finished Dance, but in the time since, the questions and answers have taken on a certain rote quality. A Song Of Ice And Fire is popular; Game of Thrones, the TV adaptation of the novels, even more so. That means there will always been an audience eager for news, regardless of whether or not that news has actual merit. Publishing rumors and hearsay about Winds’ progress has become something of a cottage industry online, and it seems like every few months there’s some new sign that the book might finally be finished. He’s feeling optimistic! He’s gotten through a tough patch! He has a special cabin in the mountains where he does all his best work!
Zack Handlen
Thursday 6:00am
Filed to:GAME OF THRONES
The characters from one of the novel covers looks on to the show's final season
Photo: Game Of Thrones (HBO/Helen Sloan)
Eight years after the release of A Dance With Dragons, the fifth book in George R.R. Martin’s A Song Of Ice And Fire remains its last. Martin has been promising the follow-up, The Winds Of Winter, to readers almost since he finished Dance, but in the time since, the questions and answers have taken on a certain rote quality. A Song Of Ice And Fire is popular; Game of Thrones, the TV adaptation of the novels, even more so. That means there will always been an audience eager for news, regardless of whether or not that news has actual merit. Publishing rumors and hearsay about Winds’ progress has become something of a cottage industry online, and it seems like every few months there’s some new sign that the book might finally be finished. He’s feeling optimistic! He’s gotten through a tough patch! He has a special cabin in the mountains where he does all his best work!
Strip away the hype, though, and it’s easy to see that Martin is still saying more or less what he’s always been saying. The novel is hard work, he’s still at it, fingers crossed, etc. And that’s not hard to believe. With each volume in the series, Martin had raised the stakes, adding characters and subplots to a narrative that was already straining to keep pace by book four. Trying to pay off all that set-up and reach a satisfying conclusion without being able to go back and tweak earlier volumes was, I wrote at the time, almost impossible.
As the years have passed since A Dance With Dragons hit shelves, the fervor for a sequel has died down, while Game Of Thrones has risen ascendant. The show only gets more popular with each passing season; the seventh-season finale brought in 12.1 million viewers, a high point for the series thus far. Given that this April marks the premiere of Game Of Throne’s eighth and final season, it’s not surprising that HBO is planning a spin-off, with a prequel series set thousands of years before the original show. There’s a definite hunger for more A Song Of Ice And Fire content, but while Martin himself has published several prequel novellas, as well as the pre-ASOIF history Fire & Blood, it looks like these days, most people are turning to the show for satisfaction.
This is where things get tricky. Game Of Thrones started as an adaptation of A Song Of Ice And Fire, even taking its name from the series’ first book. For the first four seasons, it largely followed in Martin’s footsteps, making moderate changes but on the whole sticking to the story of the original work. Then, some time around season five, the show went past where Martin had written. Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss consulted with the author on his plans for the what came next, and there’s no obvious sign (like, say, Martin calling foul in an interview) that they’ve ignored his designs. But those designs could only encompass so much, and no matter how faithful they ostensibly are, having the adaptation reach a conclusion before the source material does robs that source material of at least some of its vitality. The sad fact is, Game Of Thrones is going to decide the fate of Westeros long before The Winds Of Winterever hits print.
Both Martin and the showrunners have operated under the polite fiction that this doesn’t make Winds (or the even less likely concluding volume, A Dream Of Spring) less relevant and necessary. In a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly promoting the release of season eight, Benioff made it a point to explain that there are “differences” between the show and Martin’s plans, enough to ensure that fans of A Song Of Ice And Fire will still be able to experience the final books “fresh.” Just what those differences are, and whether or not they go against the grain of the ending Martin has planned for the series from the beginning, remains to be seen.
It’s a nice gesture, at least, albeit one with a potential to backfire. While Game Of Thrones has only gotten more popular over time, fans (and some critics) have taken the show to task for moving away from the brutal anything-goes nature of the first few seasons and into a more conventional fantasy structure as it nears its conclusion. Nothing has quite matched the shock of season three’s “Red Wedding” set piece, and while that’s probably for the best (a show that keeps grinding through its cast solely to generate dramatic heat is eventually going to run out of live meat), seeing traditional heroes and heroines like Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen take center stage seems, to some, like a betrayal of what made GOT special in the first place. Because these changes seemed to come around the time the show outpaced Martin’s writing, the showrunners have become easy targets for what went “wrong.”
I asked Myles McNutt, who writes The A.V. Club’s “Expert” Game Of Thrones recaps, what he thought of the complaints. He told me:
“My general feeling on this is that Thrones is doing what a TV show does when it’s ending: trimming down story, removing pieces from the board, simplifying conflict. And this is what Martin has shown himself fundamentally unwilling to do as of yet. And so while I ultimately take the showrunners at their word that big picture story ideas are things Martin has given them fair warning on, there’s an efficiency to the show now that we’ve never seen Martin be capable of, which does create a very different feel.”
That suggests something of a reversal: Game Of Thrones isn’t just telling the rest of Martin’s story before he can finish it himself; the show is doing it better than he could. Whether or not that proves to be true, most of the apparent changes are things that were inherent in the text from the start. Martin introduced the White Walker threat in the prologue of the very first book in the series. They were always intended as the end-game threat, to add context and tension to the constant political intrigue and scrambling of the main storylines. As the lords and ladies of the various kingdoms struggled for the throne, the fighting keeps them from realizing the real danger until it’s practically at their doorstep.
It’s a clever device and a good hook to pull in readers. The problem is, it’s a setup that can only really end one of two ways. Either the humans realize the threat before it’s too late, banding together and holding back the monsters and defeating them once and for all; or they don’t, the monsters win, and everyone dies. The latter is a bummer, but it’s still perfectly viable—up to a point. A single book, hell, even a trilogy of books, could probably get away with a downbeat ending. But five books and counting? (Or eight seasons, if you prefer.) It’s hard to imagine satisfying anyone if you spent millions of words and over two decades solely to tell us “people suck, and then get eaten.”
So this was always going to eventually turn into a grand struggle for the fate of humanity, good versus evil, light versus dark, the living versus the not-exactly. Maybe the real problem is that Martin (and the show adapting his work) was just too good at all the political intrigue that was ultimately going to prove to be more or less besides the point. The novels were at their strongest not when they were dealing with supernatural threats, but when they showed the consequences of short-sighted thinking and corruption in a brutal world. You don’t need White Walkers and dragons in a land where trusting the wrong person (or not trusting the right one) could end with your head on a spike. Not to mention the fact that the Walkers, while they make for impressive visuals, don’t have an ounce of the nuance of the Lannisters. Hell, even The Mountain has more depth.
Really, Game Of Thrones hasn’t ruined A Song Of Ice And Fire so much as it has brought the series to its inevitable conclusion. It remains to be seen if that conclusion will make everyone happy or not (spoiler: probably not), but regardless, it will be an ending. If Martin ever finishes books six and seven, it will be in a world that has largely moved on from that version of his tale. And while that seems a bit sad, it might also be for the best for the writer. If the reason Martin has been struggling so long to finish his work is because of his concerns over living up to expectations, it’s possible that being rid of those expectations might allow him the creative freedom he needs to see things through. It might also rob him of whatever impetus to finish he has left. Only time will tell. Fans will at least get an ending, even if it’s not necessarily the ending they wanted. Given how things so often go in the Seven Kingdoms, that’s not entirely inappropriate
As the years have passed since A Dance With Dragons hit shelves, the fervor for a sequel has died down, while Game Of Thrones has risen ascendant. The show only gets more popular with each passing season; the seventh-season finale brought in 12.1 million viewers, a high point for the series thus far. Given that this April marks the premiere of Game Of Throne’s eighth and final season, it’s not surprising that HBO is planning a spin-off, with a prequel series set thousands of years before the original show. There’s a definite hunger for more A Song Of Ice And Fire content, but while Martin himself has published several prequel novellas, as well as the pre-ASOIF history Fire & Blood, it looks like these days, most people are turning to the show for satisfaction.
This is where things get tricky. Game Of Thrones started as an adaptation of A Song Of Ice And Fire, even taking its name from the series’ first book. For the first four seasons, it largely followed in Martin’s footsteps, making moderate changes but on the whole sticking to the story of the original work. Then, some time around season five, the show went past where Martin had written. Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss consulted with the author on his plans for the what came next, and there’s no obvious sign (like, say, Martin calling foul in an interview) that they’ve ignored his designs. But those designs could only encompass so much, and no matter how faithful they ostensibly are, having the adaptation reach a conclusion before the source material does robs that source material of at least some of its vitality. The sad fact is, Game Of Thrones is going to decide the fate of Westeros long before The Winds Of Winterever hits print.
Both Martin and the showrunners have operated under the polite fiction that this doesn’t make Winds (or the even less likely concluding volume, A Dream Of Spring) less relevant and necessary. In a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly promoting the release of season eight, Benioff made it a point to explain that there are “differences” between the show and Martin’s plans, enough to ensure that fans of A Song Of Ice And Fire will still be able to experience the final books “fresh.” Just what those differences are, and whether or not they go against the grain of the ending Martin has planned for the series from the beginning, remains to be seen.
It’s a nice gesture, at least, albeit one with a potential to backfire. While Game Of Thrones has only gotten more popular over time, fans (and some critics) have taken the show to task for moving away from the brutal anything-goes nature of the first few seasons and into a more conventional fantasy structure as it nears its conclusion. Nothing has quite matched the shock of season three’s “Red Wedding” set piece, and while that’s probably for the best (a show that keeps grinding through its cast solely to generate dramatic heat is eventually going to run out of live meat), seeing traditional heroes and heroines like Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen take center stage seems, to some, like a betrayal of what made GOT special in the first place. Because these changes seemed to come around the time the show outpaced Martin’s writing, the showrunners have become easy targets for what went “wrong.”
I asked Myles McNutt, who writes The A.V. Club’s “Expert” Game Of Thrones recaps, what he thought of the complaints. He told me:
“My general feeling on this is that Thrones is doing what a TV show does when it’s ending: trimming down story, removing pieces from the board, simplifying conflict. And this is what Martin has shown himself fundamentally unwilling to do as of yet. And so while I ultimately take the showrunners at their word that big picture story ideas are things Martin has given them fair warning on, there’s an efficiency to the show now that we’ve never seen Martin be capable of, which does create a very different feel.”
That suggests something of a reversal: Game Of Thrones isn’t just telling the rest of Martin’s story before he can finish it himself; the show is doing it better than he could. Whether or not that proves to be true, most of the apparent changes are things that were inherent in the text from the start. Martin introduced the White Walker threat in the prologue of the very first book in the series. They were always intended as the end-game threat, to add context and tension to the constant political intrigue and scrambling of the main storylines. As the lords and ladies of the various kingdoms struggled for the throne, the fighting keeps them from realizing the real danger until it’s practically at their doorstep.
It’s a clever device and a good hook to pull in readers. The problem is, it’s a setup that can only really end one of two ways. Either the humans realize the threat before it’s too late, banding together and holding back the monsters and defeating them once and for all; or they don’t, the monsters win, and everyone dies. The latter is a bummer, but it’s still perfectly viable—up to a point. A single book, hell, even a trilogy of books, could probably get away with a downbeat ending. But five books and counting? (Or eight seasons, if you prefer.) It’s hard to imagine satisfying anyone if you spent millions of words and over two decades solely to tell us “people suck, and then get eaten.”
So this was always going to eventually turn into a grand struggle for the fate of humanity, good versus evil, light versus dark, the living versus the not-exactly. Maybe the real problem is that Martin (and the show adapting his work) was just too good at all the political intrigue that was ultimately going to prove to be more or less besides the point. The novels were at their strongest not when they were dealing with supernatural threats, but when they showed the consequences of short-sighted thinking and corruption in a brutal world. You don’t need White Walkers and dragons in a land where trusting the wrong person (or not trusting the right one) could end with your head on a spike. Not to mention the fact that the Walkers, while they make for impressive visuals, don’t have an ounce of the nuance of the Lannisters. Hell, even The Mountain has more depth.
Really, Game Of Thrones hasn’t ruined A Song Of Ice And Fire so much as it has brought the series to its inevitable conclusion. It remains to be seen if that conclusion will make everyone happy or not (spoiler: probably not), but regardless, it will be an ending. If Martin ever finishes books six and seven, it will be in a world that has largely moved on from that version of his tale. And while that seems a bit sad, it might also be for the best for the writer. If the reason Martin has been struggling so long to finish his work is because of his concerns over living up to expectations, it’s possible that being rid of those expectations might allow him the creative freedom he needs to see things through. It might also rob him of whatever impetus to finish he has left. Only time will tell. Fans will at least get an ending, even if it’s not necessarily the ending they wanted. Given how things so often go in the Seven Kingdoms, that’s not entirely inappropriate
