I like him with Spinks. A light punching, defensive fighter, who's seen better days. He can make some money and get some nice wins at this division. If Williams and Martinez stay at middle, Cotto can do really well at jr. I can see him fighting Cintron before the year is out.
Foreman vs Cotto
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My only problem with Jones is that he was fucking up some words but he is knowledgeable and entertaining so he gets the Sir Charles pass on that one.
I agree with you on the Foreman issue even though I like to see a fight ended with a punch. Foreman was taking unnecessary damage, and he couldn't defend himself really. Foreman was saving face and showing heart by wanting to stay in it but his corner did the right thing (at first) to throw in the towel. In reality I blame Foreman's corner though.... The Ref asked what happened and they changed their story
For what reason I don't know: Foreman was losing, hurt and vulnerable, but on top of that he doesn't have the knock out power to make the difference.
I like Cintron better because it setups a link/comparison to Williams and Martinez.
You sound disappointed fam. That I'm not embarrassed about thinking that George Foreman is still fighting. But I've no idea. And really don't care. Like I said, was just making convo, but apparently it's some form of entertainment for you chaps, so I'll let you have at it.
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Fam, you don't have to explain shit!?!?! All of us fuck up but you've got to know on BGOL once you do some shit like this (and c'mon Bro, your post was funny as fuck!!!), the BGOL Buzzards are gonna start hovering around your carcass and attack!!! Sheiittt, I've been Jammed on a couple of issues and had to Detox from BGOL for a couple of Days (Just search for any Mayweather/ Manny Pac Thread) Its all good, you have become a BGOL legend with that damn post though!!!! Stay Up!!
Not a problem bruh BGOL buzzards never fray me in the least bit. That's not why I come here anyway. I cannot care less who is impressed by, offended by, amused by or whatever else by my statements. Man enough to admit I didn't know the fighter's in question, mainly because I haven't paid attention to boxing in YEARS. But I ain't got shit to prove to anyone here. My only concern is to try to keep the discussion alive on the SPORTS board, that's all I care about. Since the discussions are so few and far between (unless of course we discuss basketball)
I think it would be a more physical and entertaining fight but from the aspect of Cotto's people wanting to pace him slowly in a new division, Spinks makes more sense.
I'm always disappointed when men can't be men and just take a rightfully earned "L" and keep it moving. No justifications, no excuses. But it's never that serious for me to continue on with it. This is a Boxing thread and we don't need help keeping the conversations and threads going. All we need is a interesting fight and we take it from there. Appreciate the help though.
I think it would be a more physical and entertaining fight but from the aspect of Cotto's people wanting to pace him slowly in a new division, Spinks makes more sense.
I'm always disappointed when men can't be men and just take a rightfully earned "L" and keep it moving. No justifications, no excuses. But it's never that serious for me to continue on with it. This is a Boxing thread and we don't need help keeping the conversations and threads going. All we need is a interesting fight and we take it from there. Appreciate the help though.
I agree totally with the Spinks statement, though I've always thought that Cintron is a guy who'll wilt under the type of pressure that Cotto would bring. But if they're trying to "rehab" Cotto, Spinks makes much more sense since he doesn't have half the power Cintron does. And btw, some cats just don't know when to take an 8 count. Getting knocked down and trying to jump right back up is always a mistake.
I agree totally with the Spinks statement, though I've always thought that Cintron is a guy who'll wilt under the type of pressure that Cotto would bring. But if they're trying to "rehab" Cotto, Spinks makes much more sense since he doesn't have half the power Cintron does. And btw, some cats just don't know when to take an 8 count. Getting knocked down and trying to jump right back up is always a mistake.
He got all Zab Judah on us
.Agreed on Cintron as well. The best thing he could happen with the recent Williams fight was what happened. Now he can cash in and get another fight, if not now then he can jump in in case Williams and Martinez don't fight by year's end.
If Williams and Martinez stay at middleweight, Cotto could really control the jr. middleweight division.
I agree totally with the Spinks statement, though I've always thought that Cintron is a guy who'll wilt under the type of pressure that Cotto would bring. But if they're trying to "rehab" Cotto, Spinks makes much more sense since he doesn't have half the power Cintron does. And btw, some cats just don't know when to take an 8 count. Getting knocked down and trying to jump right back up is always a mistake.
If he fights Spinks it should be this year or very earlier next year, then an Angulo or a Cintron and then a Williams or Martinez. I think if he goes too slow getting back into this thing it will make people lose faith in Cotto... He can't fight softies forever. I like him but he needs to prove himself and fighting Spinks or Foreman type fighters doesn't do much to convince people that his career isn't over.
I disagree, nobody in and around his weight class has had a tougher schedule the last 5 years, if anyone has earned the right to take it slow and fight a few nobodies, it's Cotto. It's not like he's had Floyd's schedule the past few years...
He needs to keep fighting bigger challenges now that he took out Mosley, if not Pacman then Martinez AND Williams.
I disagree, nobody in and around his weight class has had a tougher schedule the last 5 years, if anyone has earned the right to take it slow and fight a few nobodies, it's Cotto. It's not like he's had Floyd's schedule the past few years...
Cotto had a tough schedule because he took tough fights when should have had softies. He can only blame himself. After he lost to Margarito he should have taken on a bum then fought Clottey. After that shitty performance he should have fought another mid level fighter and so on. People wrote Cotto off because he had a rough lost, a suspect win and brutal beatdown,,,back to back to back. If it was spaced out with some decent wins it would not be so bad. Even now people are saying the fight with Foreman didn't prove shit and Cotto is still finished. To be honest if Cotto looks good against an Angulo and/or Cintron then I think people will start looking at him like a top dog again.
Wow, I agree with some shit u say and some I don't. Since when is it a nicca "fault" that he fights the tuffest dudes out in his division. I remember that shit used to get u something called respect. Floyd fights maaaad cream puff niccas before fighting Old ass Shane and he gets mad more props than Cotto. Something is wrong. Why should he go fight soft cream puff ass niccas when the only way to prove u are one of the best is to fight the very best, I don't understand. Nicca gets mad respect from me, much more respect than say Floyd who picks opponents he knows he can beat and Pacman who has Freddie Roach calculating every possible opponent and wanting to go in the ring with every possible advantage over his opponents. This is partially why the game of boxing is so fucked up. A guy like Paul Williams can't by a fight even though he'll fight anyone but dudes like Floyd or Pac can get all the bread they demand AND the kudos for fighting softer comp.
BTW something I need to say - Ain't no kind of Ali in Floyd - this Pac fight should of been signed sealed and delivered already. He says he's greater than Ali but I'll tell you what Ali would've told Pac. He would've told Pac to make sure and take a nice big dose of PED's the night before the fight, he would've told him to cheat all he want that it wouldn't make any difference, and then bust that ass the night of the fight. Floyd was great against Shane but that niccas more mouth than greatness. Pac is half to blame as well but Floyd is the guy with every natural advantage and shouldn't even be worried that Pac is taking anything if he's as great as he claims. Neither one in my book is as worthy of as much respect as Cotto, even though Miguel could never beat either.
Cotto did take a "easy" fight after Margarito, the Michael Jennings fight. Then he fought Clottey. He had a tough schedule but he had to have one, just like Margarito and Shane Mosley. Everyone knew Floyd Mayweather was coming back and they wanted to be in the top position to get that fight. Cotto fucked up by agreeing to the Pacquiao fight, first at 140 and then so soon after the Clottey fight.
If he can beat up, not just win, Angulo or Cintron, I think it would only be right to say he's back to being a top fighter.
I said "top fighter", I've never thought he was "elite" and he's never done anything to make me reconsider.
I see what you're saying but Miguel, at this point, as to work harder to get where Floyd and Pac are (I've been saying the same thing about Roach's gamesmanship forever and nobody ever listens to me. Glad to see someone else see it). They worked hard to get to the top and now if they want to fight once or twice a year for double digit millions, they've earned that (with wins and savvy marketing/great gamesmanship). Both of those guys came up through multiple divisions, fighting top fighters in each on Boxing After Dark and then World Championship Boxing to be million buy ppv sellers. Miguel has to prove he can do that and he's failed in major televised fights more times than not. He didn't choose the hard road, that's the only one for him if he wants to make the big money.
I hear what you're saying.
Here we go again with that "two reasonable adults" shit. Where's Zeferino when we need him?
Here we go again with that "two reasonable adults" shit. Where's Zeferino when we need him?
In the other thread talking about female MMA fighters and double penetrations
Sorry, I was at work, just didn't have time to take the bait.In the other thread talking about female MMA fighters and double penetrations
I saw that and I swear I was hoping dp was some mma term I hadn't heard. That dude is incredible sometimes.
I saw that and I swear I was hoping dp was some mma term I hadn't heard. That dude is incredible sometimes.
If you think about it, most of the women that are able to hold their own in a DP appear to be in tremendous physical shape. Mondragon is apparently on to something and I wouldn't be surprised if American trainers like Emmanuel Steward started implementing some of these techniques.
I saw that and I swear I was hoping dp was some mma term I hadn't heard. That dude is incredible sometimes.
I swear to God Im going to just fucking die one of these days on this muthafucka....im fucking literally crying
Runaway is cool with me...Im not really lauching at Runaway..just the overall thread.. I havent laughed that hard in a long fucking time man.. Merce77 almost fucked killed me with that pic man...lolol... I expect this kind of shit on the main board....but this caught me off guard over here...
Dude, what the fuck are you saying, Steward doesn't have any female fighters that I know of, so.........
Dude, what the fuck are you saying, Steward doesn't have any female fighters that I know of, so.........
Yeah, but you can work the male fighters into shape by getting them to do eight round DP's on random chicks hired for training purposes. Actually, as a trainer you could train two fighters at the same time this way. Hit two birds with one stone. Think about it.
I'm not knocking Cotto for taking tough fights. I'm just saying most fighters would pace themselves differently after getting seriously hurt. At the pace Cotto was going... he was starting to look like Jermaine Taylor, but I don't want him to go the other route were he only fight bums or light punchers. I would like him to take De La Hoya's recent approach of fighting some wack opponents and them mixing it up.
I forgot about Jennings but still after looking like shit with Clottey he had no business fighting Pac. I agree... Cotto is still a money-making force, BUT my main thing is how long are we accept him fighting C level fighters before we say he's just staying afloat. He at least has to throw in the B level fighters of that division within the next year and half.
I think you made my point better than I did. At some point soon Cotto wants to get back into the mix of things. He wants to erase those loses from people's memories and headline PPV's. Fighting Spinks just isn't going to get him closer to that goal. He's in a good division for him because there is a large gap talent-wise between the rising stars an the top guys. Angulo/Cintron are both beatable for Cotto and those wins will catapult his value in the boxing world. If I was controlling his career I would have him fight Cintron and then Angulo if he does well against Cintron... if not I would put him in there with Spinks.
C'Mon Merc you gotta cut this shit out with these damn Animals Man!!!!
Fucking my house up Nicca, my wife was coming downstairs to show me a new dress she just brought JUST as I was reading this shit and I broke out laughing and she thought I was laughing at her!!!!
C'Mon Merc you gotta cut this shit out with these damn Animals Man!!!!
Fucking my house up Nicca, my wife was coming downstairs to show me a new dress she just brought JUST as I was reading this shit and I broke out laughing and she thought I was laughing at her!!!!
Damm fam I ain't mean to get u in trouble with the missus.
And I can see why you wouldn't wanna explain that shit either, dp's, colombians, frightened dogs, I feel you....
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I hear you, he should've been mixing it up all along, instead of tough fight after tough fight. I think right now he needs a Cory Spinks or a Luis Collazo who's a moderate puncher with good boxing skills who's also made the move recently to Jr. Middle. I think before he takes on a puncher he needs a fight with a sharp skilled opponent so he an Emmanuel can work out whatever kinks he still needs to work through. His confidence looked pretty good against Foreman but with only 8ko's, Yuri never posed a threat punch wise. Collazo would be a step up in skills but not a huge step up in power like fighting Cintron or Angulo. As a matter of fact I think him vs Collazo could make some cake at the MSG gate or Yankee Stadium if they market it right since Collazo is also Puerto Rican and from Brooklyn. If Cotto is able to stop or convincingly beat Collazo, then I'd like to see him take on Angulo or Cintron, or if the PBF fight falls through, Pacman at 154.
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