Foreman vs Cotto

[Upgrade Dave]

Yeah, but you can work the male fighters into shape by getting them to do eight round DP's on random chicks hired for training purposes. Actually, as a trainer you could train two fighters at the same time this way. Hit two birds with one stone. Think about it.

WTF is wrong with you?You've always been a wild dude but this shit right here, this shit right here nikka, is on another level.
What do you snort/drink/smoke before you cut on your computer? Stop. Now.

I think you made my point better than I did. At some point soon Cotto wants to get back into the mix of things. He wants to erase those loses from people's memories and headline PPV's. Fighting Spinks just isn't going to get him closer to that goal. He's in a good division for him because there is a large gap talent-wise between the rising stars an the top guys. Angulo/Cintron are both beatable for Cotto and those wins will catapult his value in the boxing world. If I was controlling his career I would have him fight Cintron and then Angulo if he does well against Cintron... if not I would put him in there with Spinks.

But he should fight Angulo, then Cintron since Kermit did beat Ang.

If that was a pit, it might have been the one to give Michael Vick herpes.

I hear you, he should've been mixing it up all along, instead of tough fight after tough fight. I think right now he needs a Cory Spinks or a Luis Collazo who's a moderate puncher with good boxing skills who's also made the move recently to Jr. Middle. I think before he takes on a puncher he needs a fight with a sharp skilled opponent so he an Emmanuel can work out whatever kinks he still needs to work through. His confidence looked pretty good against Foreman but with only 8ko's, Yuri never posed a threat punch wise. Collazo would be a step up in skills but not a huge step up in power like fighting Cintron or Angulo. As a matter of fact I think him vs Collazo could make some cake at the MSG gate or Yankee Stadium if they market it right since Collazo is also Puerto Rican and from Brooklyn. If Cotto is able to stop or convincingly beat Collazo, then I'd like to see him take on Angulo or Cintron, or if the PBF fight falls through, Pacman at 154.

Cotto/Collazo in NY could be a ticket seller and a good fight to boot.

You really see Pacman at 154? I don't doubt he'd fight Cotto again for his new title but it would probably be at a nice catchweight of 147 (he did fight him for a welterweight title at 140).

 

[merce77]

WTF is wrong with you?You've always been a wild dude but this shit right here, this shit right here nikka, is on another level.
What do you snort/drink/smoke before you cut on your computer? Stop. Now.




But he should fight Angulo, then Cintron since Kermit did beat Ang.




If that was a pit, it might have been the one to give Michael Vick herpes.





Cotto/Collazo in NY could be a ticket seller and a good fight to boot.

You really see Pacman at 154? I don't doubt he'd fight Cotto again for his new title but it would probably be at a nice catchweight of 147 (he did fight him for a welterweight title at 140).

Well the rumor with Pac started a few weeks ago and Arum said it would be at 154 to give Pac a chance to win a title at his eighth weight class. Supposedly Emmanuel interjected that it would HAVE to be at 154 and that it would be a very different fight at that weight and with him in Miguel's corner. But With Roach and Arum there pulling strings, who can tell at this point.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Well the rumor with Pac started a few weeks ago and Arum said it would be at 154 to give Pac a chance to win a title at his eighth weight class. Supposedly Emmanuel interjected that it would HAVE to be at 154 and that it would be a very different fight at that weight and with him in Miguel's corner. But With Roach and Arum there pulling strings, who can tell at this point.

Emmanuel Steward is a BIG believer and proponent of fighters fighting in the weight class. He is not a fan of catchweights and I doubt Cotto would get caught with the same okey-doke twice with Steward in his corner.

Now if they is some...parting of the ways, I'll say, between Cotto and Steward, I fully expect that fight to happen and at a ridiculous catchweight.

 

[merce77]

Emmanuel Steward is a BIG believer and proponent of fighters fighting in the weight class. He is not a fan of catchweights and I doubt Cotto would get caught with the same okey-doke twice with Steward in his corner.

Now if they is some...parting of the ways, I'll say, between Cotto and Steward, I fully expect that fight to happen and at a ridiculous catchweight.

I agree, if Emmanuel sticks around, I doubt they'll be able to pull an Erik Morales on him and have Cotto at the weigh in looking like a malnourished greyhound.

 

[Alaskanredman]

But he should fight Angulo, then Cintron since Kermit did beat Ang.

Cotto/Collazo in NY could be a ticket seller and a good fight to boot.

You really see Pacman at 154? I don't doubt he'd fight Cotto again for his new title but it would probably be at a nice catchweight of 147 (he did fight him for a welterweight title at 140).

I might see this differently than you guys, but the question in my mind is whether Cotto is a beaten fighter mentally. I know he can box but can he handle getting rocked again? Can he stick to boxing the plan that Manny comes up with or will he fold? The only reason I went in the order of Cintron than Angulo is cause we don't know what he would do if he gets chin check by Angulo. Cintron has power but Angulo seems to be the biggest puncher in that division. Cotto should be able to out box either one of them but I would look at Angulo as the big test because has that one hitter quitter power.

Collazo would also be a good test for Cotto. Collazo is very underrated, but we all know that.

Pac will not move up and it is pointless for him to fight Cotto. I don't think Cotto wants any part of that and it wouldn't be another notch on Pac's belt.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Well the rumor with Pac started a few weeks ago and Arum said it would be at 154 to give Pac a chance to win a title at his eighth weight class. Supposedly Emmanuel interjected that it would HAVE to be at 154 and that it would be a very different fight at that weight and with him in Miguel's corner. But With Roach and Arum there pulling strings, who can tell at this point.

Pac and Arum have to be shitting me. take the damn tests.... This nigga will run out of a division from the biggest fight in boxing and fight a guy he already destroyed

 

[Zeferino]

WTF is wrong with you?You've always been a wild dude but this shit right here, this shit right here nikka, is on another level.
What do you snort/drink/smoke before you cut on your computer? Stop. Now.



If that was a pit, it might have been the one to give Michael Vick herpes.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I might see this differently than you guys, but the question in my mind is whether Cotto is a beaten fighter mentally. I know he can box but can he handle getting rocked again? Can he stick to boxing the plan that Manny comes up with or will he fold? The only reason I went in the order of Cintron than Angulo is cause we don't know what he would do if he gets chin check by Angulo. Cintron has power but Angulo seems to be the biggest puncher in that division. Cotto should be able to out box either one of them but I would look at Angulo as the big test because has that one hitter quitter power.

Collazo would also be a good test for Cotto. Collazo is very underrated, but we all know that.

Pac will not move up and it is pointless for him to fight Cotto. I don't think Cotto wants any part of that and it wouldn't be another notch on Pac's belt.

The problem with Angulo being a threat is how relatively slow he is. Unlike Cintron, Alfredo would be a sitting duck for the quicker Miguel Cotto. Cintron can move better than Angulo and hit harder than Collazo and Spinks. I would pick Cotto over all of them but Kermit Cintron is the biggest threat.
Looking at the names I just typed, that's a decent division. Not a lot of stars but decent to good fighters that would make interesting fights. Add Foreman and you have a pretty deep jr. middleweight division.

 

[Bxlegend]

The problem with Angulo being a threat is how relatively slow he is. Unlike Cintron, Alfredo would be a sitting duck for the quicker Miguel Cotto. Cintron can move better than Angulo and hit harder than Collazo and Spinks. I would pick Cotto over all of them but Kermit Cintron is the biggest threat.
Looking at the names I just typed, that's a decent division. Not a lot of stars but decent to good fighters that would make interesting fights. Add Foreman and you have a pretty deep jr. middleweight division.

I agree with the point of some interesting fights, but this is not a good division. Only two of the fighters mentioned are actual Jr middles and they both have taken losses to cats that moved up. And Spinks? I would turn the channel to watch any of these fighters match up, but most of these I'd watch Friday night or late saturday night on Showtime.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I agree with the point of some interesting fights, but this is not a good division. Only two of the fighters mentioned are actual Jr middles and they both have taken losses to cats that moved up. And Spinks? I would turn the channel to watch any of these fighters match up, but most of these I'd watch Friday night or late saturday night on Showtime.

Hey, there's not an elite fighter in the bunch but most of the better ones are only 2-3 loss guys and the guy who becomes top dog will have had to fight to get there. Williams and Martinez being part time jrs. hurt the division but either of them can come back at any time for the right money. It's much more likely than Williams going back to welterweight or thinking Mayweather is moving up to jr. middle. Sometimes you have to take what's there.

Shit, it's still deeper than middleweight.

 

[Bxlegend]

Hey, there's not an elite fighter in the bunch but most of the better ones are only 2-3 loss guys and the guy who becomes top dog will have had to fight to get there. Williams and Martinez being part time jrs. hurt the division but either of them can come back at any time for the right money. It's much more likely than Williams going back to welterweight or thinking Mayweather is moving up to jr. middle. Sometimes you have to take what's there.

Shit, it's still deeper than middleweight.

Right now LW, WW, and Super-middle are the deepest, relevant weight classes to me right now. Even though I can see your point of really good match ups at Jr. might make it the most interesting class at this point, at least for the true boxing fans. I don't want PBF to move up though, and I like the idea of Williams at 160 fighting Martinez

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Right now LW, WW, and Super-middle are the deepest, relevant weight classes to me right now. Even though I can see your point of really good match ups at Jr. might make it the most interesting class at this point, at least for the true boxing fans. I don't want PBF to move up though, and I like the idea of Williams at 160 fighting Martinez

I don't see any depth at welter anymore. It's really become a two fighter division and if they ever fight, both of them will retire with no one to take their place. The best hope for the welterweight division is some of the top guys in jr. welter and super lightweight coming up.

 

[merce77]

I don't see any depth at welter anymore. It's really become a two fighter division and if they ever fight, both of them will retire with no one to take their place. The best hope for the welterweight division is some of the top guys in jr. welter and super lightweight coming up.

Thats what I was going to say, how is welter weight deep, with only Pac and Floyd at welter. Berto is supposed to be moving down to 140, Cotto and Collazo have moved to Jr. Middle and Shane is really not a force anymore. Jr. Middle has more depth than welter.

 

[Bxlegend]

Thats what I was going to say, how is welter weight deep, with only Pac and Floyd at welter. Berto is supposed to be moving down to 140, Cotto and Collazo have moved to Jr. Middle and Shane is really not a force anymore. Jr. Middle has more depth than welter.

Dave was correct and I should've said Jr WW. My bad. 147 is definitely a shallow pool

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Thats what I was going to say, how is welter weight deep, with only Pac and Floyd at welter. Berto is supposed to be moving down to 140, Cotto and Collazo have moved to Jr. Middle and Shane is really not a force anymore. Jr. Middle has more depth than welter.

Berto's moving down? Hadn't heard that. I don't know if that's a good move at all. With Shane ebbing and Floyd and Pac revolving around each other, he should stay at welter, keep winning and hope he can get either if they can't make the fight again. Him moving down would be him trying to gain a strength advantage over naturally smalller guys. He looks like he would have to cut at least 10 lbs of muscle to make 140.

Dave was correct and I should've said Jr WW. My bad. 147 is definitely a shallow pool

I actually meant to include jr. welter earlier. Very deep and with a good mix of young bulls and young vets.

On the jr. middle front, James Kirkland will be out of prison on Oct. 2. If he can get his momentum and form back AND keep improving, that kid will be a beast.

 

[merce77]

Berto's moving down? Hadn't heard that. I don't know if that's a good move at all. With Shane ebbing and Floyd and Pac revolving around each other, he should stay at welter, keep winning and hope he can get either if they can't make the fight again. Him moving down would be him trying to gain a strength advantage over naturally smalller guys. He looks like he would have to cut at least 10 lbs of muscle to make 140.




I actually meant to include jr. welter earlier. Very deep and with a good mix of young bulls and young vets.

On the jr. middle front, James Kirkland will be out of prison on Oct. 2. If he can get his momentum and form back AND keep improving, that kid will be a beast.

Yep, that's what I heard anyway, he said something about him feeling much more comfortable at 140.

Anyway, man just when Floyd won me back over as a fan, he pulls this shit, I'm starting to believe this nicca is actually afraid to fight Pac, you guys can specualte and give him the benefit of the doubt but actions speak louder than everything. He should just say - "I don't wanna fight Pac because I might lose."

 

[merce77]

I'm sick of hearing about these 2 "champions". There are some really good fights about to happen, fuck these 2 niccas until they get in the ring, for real. Oh, do you guys know if Kirkland will be campaigning at Jr. Middle or Middle? That's one dude Cotto, Williams and the rest of them niccas should avoid, that kid is a monster in the making.

 

[Zeferino]

I'm sick of hearing about these 2 "champions". There are some really good fights about to happen, fuck these 2 niccas until they get in the ring, for real. Oh, do you guys know if Kirkland will be campaigning at Jr. Middle or Middle? That's one dude Cotto, Williams and the rest of them niccas should avoid, that kid is a monster in the making.

Kirkland is good but his defense has holes and he gets rocked too often and has been dropped a few times. Regardless, he does roar back to usually stop his opponents. I think the first guy that can stay with him without getting hurt will beat him. In other words, I think Kirkland vs Angulo would be a potential classic.

 

[merce77]

Kirkland is good but his defense has holes and he gets rocked too often and has been dropped a few times. Regardless, he does roar back to usually stop his opponents. I think the first guy that can stay with him without getting hurt will beat him. In other words, I think Kirkland vs Angulo would be a potential classic.

You might be right. That could be a classic brawl. Kirkland definitely has deficiencies but I like his power and iron will. That's a combo that even the slickest of boxers find hard to surmount. Angulo and Kirkland could be a war though. I see Kirkland taking it imho.

 

[Alaskanredman]

The problem with Angulo being a threat is how relatively slow he is. Unlike Cintron, Alfredo would be a sitting duck for the quicker Miguel Cotto. Cintron can move better than Angulo and hit harder than Collazo and Spinks. I would pick Cotto over all of them but Kermit Cintron is the biggest threat.
Looking at the names I just typed, that's a decent division. Not a lot of stars but decent to good fighters that would make interesting fights. Add Foreman and you have a pretty deep jr. middleweight division.

I don't disagree.... Cintron is the better fighter, but he is sometimey like a motherfucker. Angulo is the heaviest punch. The other element is star power. HBO is intent on hyping Angulo.... and more people like Angulo then Cintron's iffy ass. IF boxing was logical Paul Williams would have been rematching Martinez and not fighting Cintron in that clusterfuck of a fight when Cintron loss to Martinez. In really Cotto is in the best position in that division. He can go Angulo, Cintron, Collazo, Williams, and then Martinez...if he wants to be the man.

 

[merce77]

I don't disagree.... Cintron is the better fighter, but he is sometimey like a motherfucker. Angulo is the heaviest punch. The other element is star power. HBO is intent on hyping Angulo.... and more people like Angulo then Cintron's iffy ass. IF boxing was logical Paul Williams would have been rematching Martinez and not fighting Cintron in that clusterfuck of a fight when Cintron loss to Martinez. In really Cotto is in the best position in that division. He can go Angulo, Cintron, Collazo, Williams, and then Martinez...if he wants to be the man.

Cotto wouldn't duck any of those guys but that's not saying he'd match up well with all of them. The only guy I can't see him beating on that list is Williams, and Martinez is a big ? as well because of his hand speed and lateral movement. Size really isn't a factor with Cotto unless you're talking about PW, that match would be a nightmare for Miguel. I could see him struggling just to land in the double digits unless PW fights stupid and tries to stay inside and fight like he's Cotto's size.

 

[Alaskanredman]

You might be right. That could be a classic brawl. Kirkland definitely has deficiencies but I like his power and iron will. That's a combo that even the slickest of boxers find hard to surmount. Angulo and Kirkland could be a war though. I see Kirkland taking it imho.

I agree... Angulo is in a tough position because he would get beat by most of the C to A level fighters in that division. Every match he gets his only option is to land something big.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Cotto wouldn't duck any of those guys but that's not saying he'd match up well with all of them. The only guy I can't see him beating on that list is Williams, and Martinez is a big ? as well because of his hand speed and lateral movement. Size really isn't a factor with Cotto unless you're talking about PW, that match would be a nightmare for Miguel. I could see him struggling just to land in the double digits unless PW fights stupid and tries to stay inside and fight like he's Cotto's size.

I agree I don't think he'll beat PW but Williams hasn't been looking that good recently so I would not be shocked if P Will gets the fucked end of an upset soon.

I can't see Cotto beating Martinez at this point. Cotto from a few years ago had a chance.

I think Collazo vs Cotto would be a decent fight too.

 

[merce77]

I agree I don't think he'll beat PW but Williams hasn't been looking that good recently so I would not be shocked if P Will gets the fucked end of an upset soon.

I can't see Cotto beating Martinez at this point. Cotto from a few years ago had a chance.

I think Collazo vs Cotto would be a decent fight too.

I see it a lil bit differently. Martinez not having an amateur career means he makes certain mistakes that a faster smaller more agressive guy like Cotto (who is well schooled)might be able to expose. He fights with his hands down ALOT, he gets a bit cocky and throws his combos a bit squared up and flatfooted which is a mistake against the wrong fighter. Plus Cotto's underrated jab and timing could be a problem for him.
PW by contrast is a big pressure fighter/volume puncher. The kind that could keep Cotto backpedaling, which is when he tends to get caught with big shots. Now if PW negates his own reach and natural advantages(which he did against Sergio), I could see Cotto putting him on the seat of his pants during an exchange since he throws the shorter harder punches and seems to have found a new weapon with the uppercut. Or Cotto could end up with some nice skinny ribs to play target practice with. But I would favor either of those guys over Cotto right now.

And I think Collazo/Cotto would be a hell of a fight. Collazo's chin and heart and not to mention his skills are very underrated, he took some great shots from the power punching Berto. And he's a southpaw. Which adds another dimension to an already interesting matchup.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Yep, that's what I heard anyway, he said something about him feeling much more comfortable at 140.

Anyway, man just when Floyd won me back over as a fan, he pulls this shit, I'm starting to believe this nicca is actually afraid to fight Pac, you guys can specualte and give him the benefit of the doubt but actions speak louder than everything. He should just say - "I don't wanna fight Pac because I might lose."

Floyd's bullshitting. They have an agreement to hold all negotiations in secret so this is his way of getting around that and keep his face and name on websites. I take nothing he says seriously until shit is signed and sealed.
But I'm overtired of talking about a fight that might never happen when there are a lot of good fights scheduled or in a real planning stage.

Kirkland is good but his defense has holes and he gets rocked too often and has been dropped a few times. Regardless, he does roar back to usually stop his opponents. I think the first guy that can stay with him without getting hurt will beat him. In other words, I think Kirkland vs Angulo would be a potential classic.

Kirkland/Angulo would be a hard fought brawl in a phone booth. Kirkland should edge him but he'd get hit and Angulo winning wouldn't be an upset.

I don't disagree.... Cintron is the better fighter, but he is sometimey like a motherfucker. Angulo is the heaviest punch. The other element is star power. HBO is intent on hyping Angulo.... and more people like Angulo then Cintron's iffy ass. IF boxing was logical Paul Williams would have been rematching Martinez and not fighting Cintron in that clusterfuck of a fight when Cintron loss to Martinez. In really Cotto is in the best position in that division. He can go Angulo, Cintron, Collazo, Williams, and then Martinez...if he wants to be the man.

Cintron was given a gift over Martinez when they fought.
Agreed on almost all other points. I don't think Angulo is a bigger star than Cintron yet but HBO is obviously trying to make him one. Getting beat by Cintron slowed but not stopped his momentum.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

With Arum wanting to host an event in the new Meadowlands when it opens, Cotto/Collazo would sell seats in NY/NJ.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I see it a lil bit differently. Martinez not having an amateur career means he makes certain mistakes that a faster smaller more agressive guy like Cotto (who is well schooled)might be able to expose. He fights with his hands down ALOT, he gets a bit cocky and throws his combos a bit squared up and flatfooted which is a mistake against the wrong fighter. Plus Cotto's underrated jab and timing could be a problem for him.
PW by contrast is a big pressure fighter/volume puncher. The kind that could keep Cotto backpedaling, which is when he tends to get caught with big shots. Now if PW negates his own reach and natural advantages(which he did against Sergio), I could see Cotto putting him on the seat of his pants during an exchange since he throws the shorter harder punches and seems to have found a new weapon with the uppercut. Or Cotto could end up with some nice skinny ribs to play target practice with. But I would favor either of those guys over Cotto right now.

And I think Collazo/Cotto would be a hell of a fight. Collazo's chin and heart and not to mention his skills are very underrated, he took some great shots from the power punching Berto. And he's a southpaw. Which adds another dimension to an already interesting matchup.

I see your point on all of that.

On a different note, why does HBO try to fuck us with Marquez/Diaz II on PPV? I am very interested in how Marquez looks, and the are forcing my hand... veetle, sopcast or justintv will have my business in July.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I see your point on all of that.

On a different note, why does HBO try to fuck us with Marquez/Diaz II on PPV? I am very interested in how Marquez looks, and the are forcing my hand... veetle, sopcast or justintv will have my business in July.

I was asking about that a while ago. WTF is that about, HBO? Both of these dudes lost their last fights badly. At least with JMM, I'd pay to see him beat Ricky Hatton's ass but why put a clear WCB fight on ppv? Expect poor numbers outside Texas.
I'm not even going to veetle that shit. I'll catch the replay the next week.

 

[merce77]

I was asking about that a while ago. WTF is that about, HBO? Both of these dudes lost their last fights badly. At least with JMM, I'd pay to see him beat Ricky Hatton's ass but why put a clear WCB fight on ppv? Expect poor numbers outside Texas.
I'm not even going to veetle that shit. I'll catch the replay the next week.

Marquez gets a pass from me, he should have never been in the ring with Floyd at welter but he still looked better than Shane. Diaz has looked shitty since getting ko'd and I don't see what he could do differently to not get ko'd against Marquez again. Juan will just let him punch himself out again and take him apart slowly like he did the 1st fight, he's too much of a fighter for Diaz, different class. But he can always get old overnight.

 

[Spectrum]

 

[Alaskanredman]

I was asking about that a while ago. WTF is that about, HBO? Both of these dudes lost their last fights badly. At least with JMM, I'd pay to see him beat Ricky Hatton's ass but why put a clear WCB fight on ppv? Expect poor numbers outside Texas.
I'm not even going to veetle that shit. I'll catch the replay the next week.

I know they are popular with Hispanics but come on.... they wouldn't even buy this. I know a lot of people want to give JMM a pass, but Diaz got beat twice and rocked by the the softest puncher out there.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Marquez gets a pass from me, he should have never been in the ring with Floyd at welter but he still looked better than Shane. Diaz has looked shitty since getting ko'd and I don't see what he could do differently to not get ko'd against Marquez again. Juan will just let him punch himself out again and take him apart slowly like he did the 1st fight, he's too much of a fighter for Diaz, different class. But he can always get old overnight.

I can ride with all that. Unless he's just aged and deteriorated drastically, he should win and relatively easy fight. It would be cool if this was a WCB show but for a ppv, it's pure fuckery and a robbery. They must have already had the date set up with the ppv companies and whatever fight they wanted must not have worked out. That's the only excuse I can think of.

I know they are popular with Hispanics but come on.... they wouldn't even buy this. I know a lot of people want to give JMM a pass, but Diaz got beat twice and rocked by the the softest puncher out there.

I know, right. This will be lucky to to Jones-Hopkins numbers.

 

[merce77]

I can ride with all that. Unless he's just aged and deteriorated drastically, he should win and relatively easy fight. It would be cool if this was a WCB show but for a ppv, it's pure fuckery and a robbery. They must have already had the date set up with the ppv companies and whatever fight they wanted must not have worked out. That's the only excuse I can think of.




I know, right. This will be lucky to to Jones-Hopkins numbers.

True, good point, it's a summer date too so they probably had a big fight lined up that fell through, who could it have been though?

 

[merce77]

I know they are popular with Hispanics but come on.... they wouldn't even buy this. I know a lot of people want to give JMM a pass, but Diaz got beat twice and rocked by the the softest puncher out there.

I'm afro-rican and I would pay a bartender to change the channel to pro golf instead of that shit. Don't forget it was FOTY though, those fights always end up rematching. No excuses though, this shit should be on HBO After Dark. Still I also wanna see how Casamayor and Guzman matchup, that's a fight I've wanted to see for years, I just wish those guys weren't a step away from the old folks home.

 

[TJervey]

I'm afro-rican and I would pay a bartender to change the channel to pro golf instead of that shit. Don't forget it was FOTY though, those fights always end up rematching. No excuses though, this shit should be on HBO After Dark. Still I also wanna see how Casamayor and Guzman matchup, that's a fight I've wanted to see for years, I just wish those guys weren't a step away from the old folks home.

I actually see Guzman and Casamayor as an excellent fight. Even though I view both as a little past their shelf life, with their similar skillsets, and the decline of both has been pretty even, I have to call this a pick em fight. I think the biggest concern is conditioning with both of them, which would cause the fight to become a counter punching bore.

As far as Marquez, even though I believe he was mis managed in pursuing the fight with Floyd, I still see as a viable fighter, but I'll be damned if I'm paying to watch him fight Diaz. Diaz both have not look too good in their last major fights, and honestly, at this point, Marquez is getting older and has slipped a bit, and the loss to Floyd, while it is no shame to lose to Floyd, the way he lost has taken a bit of luster off of his shine. And Diaz, I like his heart, but it's not really that good of a matchup for me.