Dudes neva get it till its to late.Reason why we got a president that has got tha blood of over 6,000 innocent people (9/11 + Iraq combined US death toll) on his hands now.smokedacane said:
for all you 9/11 conspiracy "theorists"
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Shattered to pieces. You know how fragile a plane wing is? Where is the wreckage from the Plane that crashed into the everglades in Florida??? Remember that? There was no major wreckage. So whats your point? Do you niggas think a plane is built out of a black box? They are fragile means of transportation.DaAssWatcher said:
YOU TALK ALL THIS SHIT BUT YET YOU PRODUCE ZERO EVIDENCE A 757 CRASHED INTO THA PENTAGON.Dr. Truth said:
Mrfreddygoodbud said:you just have to be a fuckin retard not to see the writing on the wall
how can you ignore the fact that bush is best friends with the bin laden family.
the biggest enemy of the united states since hitler, this bin laden guy, and yet bush is bed mates with his immediate family, the same family that funds him.
then you have the dick chaney haliburton connection after, haliburton hijacks no bid contracts, at the expense of american taxpayers, and what do they do, after they clean up on tax payers money and make a killing in iraq...
they take their operation out of america... you have to be retarded not to see the much larger scheme of things..... like what was haliburtons bottom line before chaney, whats their bottom line before honest america caught on to their shananigans.
you have 8 billion taxpayers dollars, missing in cold hard fucking cash, just dissappeard, and nobody has any answers....
you have to be an idiot NOT to see the writing on the wall.
whether you want to realize it or not, those that lack the ability to see the whole picuture, are the lubricants, that allow the rest of the country to get fucked by the parasitic elite....
they make it so easy for them.....
How the fuck a plane going to crash into the pentagon, and they can recover a student fucking id.
but the friggen blackbox, cant be found, dude do you know what it will take to dissolve a fucking blackbox, that shyt survives the worst plane crashes...
but they could find a student i.d.....
I am just saying without idiots, and limited thinking motherfuckers who lack the ablity to see the whole picture, we would have never had bush voters.
so I would like to take this time to say, fuck you that voted for bush and continue to play the suckers game.
fuck you good and long!!!!!
C/S Smoke and Mirrors, Smoke and Mirrors
Dr. Truth said:
I'm done with this guy
the 757 is used to indicate its make and model and its size
EDUCATE yourself now here!
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/
WHERE is the plane guy????
can you even answer that????
what you don't believe me? ask a european everybody makes that generalisation... if you checked more of my previous posts you would see clearly that i have stated that i study in toronto... i do it ALL the time i think.. are you from holland or something?mrjody said:
im not a liar and especially not on a message board
EVIDENCE OF PLANE CRASHES.
NOW EVIDENCE FROM YOUR PENTAGON CRASH DR.TRUTH.
NOW EVIDENCE FROM YOUR PENTAGON CRASH DR.TRUTH.
bigirl said:you are in law school. all lawyers are liars. you just lied.
This guy is getting beating in this thread
sitai said:
You're not getting beaten by ignorance, you're getting beaten by facts and logic. Don't confuse them with one another because you haven't offered any compelling info
^^^im actually looking for a source on the intricate workings of communications between the fbi, cia and the government and then i'll be done
and i don't mean to sound obnoxious (wrong spelling probably) but most educated people I know laugh at what you consider "facts and logic"
i am just looking for something that will help me explain my final point in a way that you would understand me...
and i don't mean to sound obnoxious (wrong spelling probably) but most educated people I know laugh at what you consider "facts and logic"
i am just looking for something that will help me explain my final point in a way that you would understand me...
smokedacane said:
Yea a Boeing's engine is noisy too...
I have one question tho... wouldn't the pentagon have like a million security camera's to have at least captured something ???(im exaggerating but..)
I saw a vid on youtube but that shit is too small to b a plane and looked like a fuckin missile
D
dannyroman
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2 1/2 HRS. AND STILL NO EXPLANATION FROM THE THREAD STARTER 
ANYWAY WUTS BEEN UP MRJODY? DID YOU GET MY PM FROM THE OTHER DAY?
ANYWAY WUTS BEEN UP MRJODY? DID YOU GET MY PM FROM THE OTHER DAY?
first let me say i am not going into depth of all the claims because
1 some are just flat out unverified statements aka fabrications
2 since no1 wanted to be specific i had to be general because some theories actually disagree with others!!
thats why i asked you to be specific... there's about 100 different theories you know!!
i'm simply going to give a brief outline of the main theories and what i think about it. and why i believe this entire hoax would be impossible
You say that explosives brought down the Twin Towers, but the impact of the Boeing 767s damaged support columns and steel floor trusses, causing the inward collapse of perimeter columns, which pulled floors straight down. A misquote of a demolition expert propagated the explosives theory. Seismic spikes, caused by debris hitting the ground, were recorded 10 sec. after each tower started to fall.
You claim WTC 7 also contained explosives since fire alone has never felled a modern skyscraper. Authorities have delayed releasing a WTC 7 report to hide the truth.
World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. some i even heard some say that there was a confession from the building owner who said he "pulled" it.(more rumours)
This is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall!!!!! As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7.
A few critical elements including damage on the south face, unusual structural design to accommodate a Con Edison substation, extreme weight bearing on floors, and long-burning diesel fuel leaked from large emergency generators--compromised WTC 7's structural integrity.
You claim a missile or smaller plane not Flight 77 struck the Pentagon because the size of two were too small to have been made by a 757, which has a wingspan of nearly 125 ft. w
How do you explain how witnesses saw the 757 hit the Pentagon. The plane lost its wings when one hit the ground and the other slammed into the building's west wall before the Boeing's fuselage tore a 75-ft. hole in the outermost Ring E. The jet's landing gear caused the 12-ft. hole in inner Ring C. But to question Flight 77's demise is to question the fate of the 64 people onboard; the remains of all but one have been identified.
Seriously though how do you account for the 100’s of people who saw it fly passed them towards the pentagon? How do you account for the people at the scene who say they saw it? This one part of the hoax alone would require the cooperation of 100’s of people!!
Some also say fighter jets within range of the hijacked planes must have been under orders to stand down, since none from the 28 Air Force bases in the area was scrambled, but there are seven alert sites on the U.S. mainland, each with two active aircraft, that can scramble fighters. The 9/11 commission concluded that F-15s were scrambled within 6 min. of notification of the hijacking of Boston's Flight 11. Because hijackers had dismantled the planes' transponders, the F-15s could not identify the endangered aircraft.
For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C
I won't argue that the U.S. government does not engage in brutal, murderous skulduggery from time to time. But the notion that the U.S. government either detected the attacks but allowed them to occur, or, worse, conspired to kill thousands of Americans to launch a war-for-oil in Afghanistan is absurd.
So let's start with a broad question: would U.S. officials be capable of such a foul deed? Capable -- as in able to pull it off and willing to do so. Simply put, the spies and special agents are not good enough, evil enough, or gutsy enough to mount this operation. That conclusion is based partly on, dare I say it, common sense, but also on years spent covering national security matters.
My main reason to be sceptical from the start is the complexity of how you would pull off such hoax. Not so much as citizens are concerned but government officials, FBI, CIA and organisations such as these have hiarachical structures. They generally tend to work well that way… the opposite goes for communication between the various organisations. My point is to execute the simultaneous destruction of the two towers, a piece of the Pentagon, and four airplanes and make it appear as if it all was done by another party -- is far beyond the skill level of U.S. intelligence. It would require dozens (or scores or hundreds) of individuals to attempt such a scheme. They would have to work together, and trust one another not to blow their part or reveal the conspiracy. They would hail from an assortment of agencies (CIA, FBI, INS, Customs, State, FAA, NTSB, DOD, etc.)
Anyone with the most basic understanding of how government functions (or does not function) realizes that the various bureaucracies of Washington particularly those of the national security "community" do not work well together. Even covering up advance knowledge would require an extensive plot. If there truly had been intelligence reports predicting the 9/11 attacks, these reports would have circulated through intelligence and policymaking circles before the folks at the top decided to smother them for geopolitical gain. That would make for a unwieldy conspiracy of silence. And in either scenario -- planning the attacks or permitting them to occur everyone who participated in the conspiracy would have to be sure that all the other plotters would stay quiet.
“Conspiracy theories may seem more nuisance than problem. But they do compete with reality for attention. There is plenty to be outraged over without becoming obsessed with X Files-like nonsense. Few will argue that mistakes were made… There are always national security misdeeds to be mad about. They may not be as cinematic in nature as a plot in which shady, unidentified U.S. officials scheme to blow up the World Trade Towers to gain control of an oil pipeline in Central Asia. But dozens of dead Hondurans or twenty or so Afghans wrongly killed ought to provoke anger and protest. In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame in comparison. (What's a few dead in Central America, compared to thousands in New York City? Why worry about Negroponte, when unidentified U.S. officials are slaughtering American civilians to trigger war?)
Perhaps there's a Pentagon or CIA office that churns out this material. Its mission: distract people from the real wrongdoing. Now there's a conspiracy theory worth exploring. Doesn't it make sense? Doesn't it all fit together? I challenge anyone to disprove it”
please take the time to read this and preferably respond
1 some are just flat out unverified statements aka fabrications
2 since no1 wanted to be specific i had to be general because some theories actually disagree with others!!
thats why i asked you to be specific... there's about 100 different theories you know!!
i'm simply going to give a brief outline of the main theories and what i think about it. and why i believe this entire hoax would be impossible
You say that explosives brought down the Twin Towers, but the impact of the Boeing 767s damaged support columns and steel floor trusses, causing the inward collapse of perimeter columns, which pulled floors straight down. A misquote of a demolition expert propagated the explosives theory. Seismic spikes, caused by debris hitting the ground, were recorded 10 sec. after each tower started to fall.
You claim WTC 7 also contained explosives since fire alone has never felled a modern skyscraper. Authorities have delayed releasing a WTC 7 report to hide the truth.
World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn't hit by airliners and only had a few fires. some i even heard some say that there was a confession from the building owner who said he "pulled" it.(more rumours)
This is deceptive because while building 7 wasn't hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall!!!!! As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7.
A few critical elements including damage on the south face, unusual structural design to accommodate a Con Edison substation, extreme weight bearing on floors, and long-burning diesel fuel leaked from large emergency generators--compromised WTC 7's structural integrity.
You claim a missile or smaller plane not Flight 77 struck the Pentagon because the size of two were too small to have been made by a 757, which has a wingspan of nearly 125 ft. w
How do you explain how witnesses saw the 757 hit the Pentagon. The plane lost its wings when one hit the ground and the other slammed into the building's west wall before the Boeing's fuselage tore a 75-ft. hole in the outermost Ring E. The jet's landing gear caused the 12-ft. hole in inner Ring C. But to question Flight 77's demise is to question the fate of the 64 people onboard; the remains of all but one have been identified.
Seriously though how do you account for the 100’s of people who saw it fly passed them towards the pentagon? How do you account for the people at the scene who say they saw it? This one part of the hoax alone would require the cooperation of 100’s of people!!
Some also say fighter jets within range of the hijacked planes must have been under orders to stand down, since none from the 28 Air Force bases in the area was scrambled, but there are seven alert sites on the U.S. mainland, each with two active aircraft, that can scramble fighters. The 9/11 commission concluded that F-15s were scrambled within 6 min. of notification of the hijacking of Boston's Flight 11. Because hijackers had dismantled the planes' transponders, the F-15s could not identify the endangered aircraft.
For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C
I won't argue that the U.S. government does not engage in brutal, murderous skulduggery from time to time. But the notion that the U.S. government either detected the attacks but allowed them to occur, or, worse, conspired to kill thousands of Americans to launch a war-for-oil in Afghanistan is absurd.
So let's start with a broad question: would U.S. officials be capable of such a foul deed? Capable -- as in able to pull it off and willing to do so. Simply put, the spies and special agents are not good enough, evil enough, or gutsy enough to mount this operation. That conclusion is based partly on, dare I say it, common sense, but also on years spent covering national security matters.
My main reason to be sceptical from the start is the complexity of how you would pull off such hoax. Not so much as citizens are concerned but government officials, FBI, CIA and organisations such as these have hiarachical structures. They generally tend to work well that way… the opposite goes for communication between the various organisations. My point is to execute the simultaneous destruction of the two towers, a piece of the Pentagon, and four airplanes and make it appear as if it all was done by another party -- is far beyond the skill level of U.S. intelligence. It would require dozens (or scores or hundreds) of individuals to attempt such a scheme. They would have to work together, and trust one another not to blow their part or reveal the conspiracy. They would hail from an assortment of agencies (CIA, FBI, INS, Customs, State, FAA, NTSB, DOD, etc.)
Anyone with the most basic understanding of how government functions (or does not function) realizes that the various bureaucracies of Washington particularly those of the national security "community" do not work well together. Even covering up advance knowledge would require an extensive plot. If there truly had been intelligence reports predicting the 9/11 attacks, these reports would have circulated through intelligence and policymaking circles before the folks at the top decided to smother them for geopolitical gain. That would make for a unwieldy conspiracy of silence. And in either scenario -- planning the attacks or permitting them to occur everyone who participated in the conspiracy would have to be sure that all the other plotters would stay quiet.
“Conspiracy theories may seem more nuisance than problem. But they do compete with reality for attention. There is plenty to be outraged over without becoming obsessed with X Files-like nonsense. Few will argue that mistakes were made… There are always national security misdeeds to be mad about. They may not be as cinematic in nature as a plot in which shady, unidentified U.S. officials scheme to blow up the World Trade Towers to gain control of an oil pipeline in Central Asia. But dozens of dead Hondurans or twenty or so Afghans wrongly killed ought to provoke anger and protest. In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame in comparison. (What's a few dead in Central America, compared to thousands in New York City? Why worry about Negroponte, when unidentified U.S. officials are slaughtering American civilians to trigger war?)
Perhaps there's a Pentagon or CIA office that churns out this material. Its mission: distract people from the real wrongdoing. Now there's a conspiracy theory worth exploring. Doesn't it make sense? Doesn't it all fit together? I challenge anyone to disprove it”
please take the time to read this and preferably respond
dannyroman said:2 1/2 HRS. AND STILL NO EXPLANATION FROM THE THREAD STARTER
ANYWAY WUTS BEEN UP MRJODY? DID YOU GET MY PM FROM THE OTHER DAY?
Yes sir, I did.
I am not easily impressed by "up and coming" rap artist,
So listen when I say this:
THAT DUDE IS PRETTY DAMNED GOOD!!!
dannyroman said:2 1/2 HRS. AND STILL NO EXPLANATION FROM THE THREAD STARTER
ANYWAY WUTS BEEN UP MRJODY? DID YOU GET MY PM FROM THE OTHER DAY?
i just posted it!!
can you really complain im doing this while trying to study for my exams 2 hours isn't long at all..
yo i want responses i did'nt do that shit for nothing...
i don't need you to agree but i would like you notice that logic in my beliefs on 9/11. Ignorance is not what brought me to this point...
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one of my co-workers was a pilot in the military.
his biggest thing about the pentagon "plane" crash is that it is VERY, VERY, VERY HARD to fly a plane of that size at that strike elevation.
he said even the BEST pilots in the world can't fly that low, that fast and that accurately-not in the best weather with the best navigational tools.
and y'all think a bunch of idiots from caves in afghanistan could do it?
where is the black box?
where is the wreckage?
where is the videotape?
bottom line: without 9-11, there would be no iraq invasion.
there are more contractors in iraq than soldiers.
oil companies are making yearly profits every QUARTER.
defense contractors are making more money than EVER before.
"mission accomplished."
his biggest thing about the pentagon "plane" crash is that it is VERY, VERY, VERY HARD to fly a plane of that size at that strike elevation.
he said even the BEST pilots in the world can't fly that low, that fast and that accurately-not in the best weather with the best navigational tools.
and y'all think a bunch of idiots from caves in afghanistan could do it?
where is the black box?
where is the wreckage?
where is the videotape?
bottom line: without 9-11, there would be no iraq invasion.
there are more contractors in iraq than soldiers.
oil companies are making yearly profits every QUARTER.
defense contractors are making more money than EVER before.
"mission accomplished."
sitai said:
bigirl said:
Thank you, for belonging to the race of logical thinkers!!!
DaAssWatcher said:
damn how old are you?
this is the reason i did'nt want to respond
as for the above post by blakmouth
you did not discuss any of the topics i put forward
"idiots from caves" huh? typical american bigoted remark, but don't worry its not your fault...
they studied at universities abroad... they went to flight school they were dedicated and filled with hatred and probably quite intelligent (but crazy)
i'm guessing me being a spearchucking idiot from a hut your not going to be inclined to believe anything i say anyways...
when did i ever say certain groups weren't profiting from the war?
you did'nt analyise everything i said firstly
second i did not spend three hours on it... im studying at the same time, took aq break to eat, took a shower my landlord came for rent...etc
and thirdly you clearly do not have basic understanding of how these agencies work... i have limited but still first hand knowledge of how impossible this would be for them to execute this. you simplify the arguments to an elementary level
as for a witness statement you know those arent to hard to find but if i brought you one you would obviously question its credibility to suit yourself... but we both know these people exist and that they are on record
since you think i'm a liar i won't bother with details but my aunt's collegue saw it
second i did not spend three hours on it... im studying at the same time, took aq break to eat, took a shower my landlord came for rent...etc
and thirdly you clearly do not have basic understanding of how these agencies work... i have limited but still first hand knowledge of how impossible this would be for them to execute this. you simplify the arguments to an elementary level
as for a witness statement you know those arent to hard to find but if i brought you one you would obviously question its credibility to suit yourself... but we both know these people exist and that they are on record
since you think i'm a liar i won't bother with details but my aunt's collegue saw it
sitai said:
Agreed. Thats why is not working...
All you are doing is regurgitating what the media and people involved have told you.
If your agruments can be disproven in an "elementery" fashion,
what does that tell you?
Besides, I asked you a few questions. Answer them.
No, YOU clearly do not have basic understanding about how these agencies work nor the fact that they are all merely puppets for those who control them like the Bilederbergs, Masons, Vatican, Jesuits, Club of Rome, etc...sitai said:
OOOOOOH what a reputable witness:your aunts colleague
mrjody said:
what? you don't even understand what i'm trying to say do you?
give me a ballpark figure of how many individuals you think would have insider knowledge about the hoax... how many of them would be involved? 10,000?
why hasn't any their been people from the inside coming forward?
bigirl said:No, YOU clearly do not have basic understanding about how these agencies work nor the fact that they are all merely puppets for those who control them like the Bilederbergs, Masons, Vatican, Jesuits, Club of Rome, etc...
OOOOOOH what a reputable witness:your aunts colleague
^^^i wasn't using her as a defense for you guys...
puppets? you are very ignorant, and have watched one to many documentaries.. try reading books.. SEVERAL
i did'nt realise how hardcore the conspiracies were amongst AA's on this website, i'll bet alot of you don't believe in the holocaust either
They caught tha dude on tape who owned tha propety around ground zero and he first said that he allowed tha Wtc 7 to be brought down by demolishon.Then when another person was interviwing him he said he didn;'t know how wtc 7 came down.Tha story was quickly swept under tha rug.sitai said:
Now introducing something called evidence something you and your homie dr truth don't seem to have.
[RM]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=WTC+7&hl=en[/RM]
sitai said:
You obviously have no idea how THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA works, do you?
Being an outsider that is understandable.
People HAVE come forward.
You call them sheep.
The first responders (Police and Fire) are the ones who reported hearing "explosions in cadence", like a controlled demolition.
Civilians who escaped the collapse from INSIDE the buildings report
the same timed explosions.
Are they not credible to you?
It wouldnt take more than a room full of people to come up with the "cover story". All of which have made financial gain.
Do you know what the phrase "plausible deniability" means?
I dont think 9/11 was a hoax.
Planes DID hit the towers.
After that our views of what happend diverge.
Can you post proof of what you say?
Or, is speculation and conjecture all you have to offer?
This is the USA. YOU HAVE NO IDEA....
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