IF Berto had skills....but he really doesn't. But I don't remember anybody on BGOL saying that before the fight, nobody picked Ortiz to win, including me.
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IF Berto had skills....but he really doesn't. But I don't remember anybody on BGOL saying that before the fight, nobody picked Ortiz to win, including me.
Rightfully so and if you mentioned Ortiz... I would have done the same maybe worse.
True, but we all said if he didn't improve he was going to have problems when a real challenge comes. I didn't see it in Ortiz, but Berto was believing his own hype. You could tell half way through there fight that Berto had no clue what to do next and his corner didn't either.
I look at it this way, either has a better chance of beating Floyd than either Marquez or Mosley had.
Hence him being spoonfed crap for the past couple years.
Pretty much...thats why his camp is GARBAGE!
May will dominate one of may's best skills is controling the pace...he is excellent at that he will dictate the pace and take his shots with lilttle risk.....
BTW off topic whats behind your S/N you're from Alaska bruh?
Maybe... we will see what Ortiz has in him, but I see a blow out in his future.
Pretty much...thats why his camp is GARBAGE!
May will dominate one of may's best skills is controling the pace...he is excellent at that he will dictate the pace and take his shots with lilttle risk.....
BTW off topic whats behind your S/N you're from Alaska bruh?
My moms was in the Airforce so I lived in Alaska as a kid and I have red hair so when I moved to NY... Redman was hot. Thus, Alaskan Redman was my nickname for years and some how not matter where I moved people came up with the same shit.
Khan would be my first choice..even Bradly might be interesting (style wise)altho i feel he's a bit smaller. Bradly might out work Floyd if they fought.
So Floyd should fight junior welters... interesting. All I hear is Floyd fights small guys to have the advantage... I would assume that's why he didn't go that route. Fighting a smaller skilled fighters is looked down on while fighting big bums is praised.
real talk....if he didn't fight Ortiz....Bradley would have been his next obvious choice....
Ortiz is a decent fight....IMO...
Dude's logic is weak. Both Bradley and Khan are coming off lackluster so-so performances. Ortiz last fight was a candidate for fight of the year. Floyd made the right choice. As for Bradley outworking Floyd?!?!?
Bradley sells 0 tickets and has a very small following, if it wasn't Ortiz it would have been Khan.
now that think about yeah maybe you're right fam..... but Khan has a fight with Zab next month wasn't going to happen....but real talk if he wasn't fighting probably Floyd would have offered him the fight...
Bradley is not known to the casuals but he holds belts and is pretty highly ranked at 140 and overall....
I think he would have tried to sell that fight if he couldn't get Ortiz...next HBO hype machine is behind Floyd they would have made it happen....
Yeah but Khan is being banked on as one of if not their biggest future star. And Floyd/Khan was being talked about since last year when the 2 were going back and forth on twitter. Man if only Bradley had power, he'd be a fuckin problem.
Dude's logic is weak. Both Bradley and Khan are coming off lackluster so-so performances. Ortiz last fight was a candidate for fight of the year. Floyd made the right choice. As for Bradley outworking Floyd?!?!?
I wasn't going to say anything about that.
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If there was any fight for Mayweather to fight in my opinion. It was Khan. He could have derailed Freddie's number 2 student and beat the person who is the best in that division. I am looking to see how PBF does.
One win over Berto doesn't make him a threat to PBF. But if he has his head on who knows.
One win over Berto doesn't make him a threat to PBF. But if he has his head on who knows.
Khan's the most talented dude in that division. I agree. Maybe he hasn't proven that he's the best yet, but as far as physical talent and potential, I'd go with Khan over the other guys.
I can agree with that. I just know that I wouldn't put either Zab, Ortiz, or Bradley over Khan right now.
Since Ortiz was just called out for being on PEDS and PBF is trying to change boxing. I wonder if we are going to have this issue come up for this fight.
I thought Khan WAS a welter...are u sayin he's a Junior Welter?
if only Bradley had power, he'd be a fuckin problem.. BINGO!
I'f you wasn't then why say THIS? Don't Start man...Don't.. we don't need any instigating Bs so chill.I wasn't going to say anything about that.
Hold up..what did u just write? wait weren't you the same merece77 that called MY logic weak when i said MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD HAVE BEEN Khan? So what now your changing your story? OR is it your Logic is weaker than mine? But wait..you agree with me? so both our logic is weak oh wait maybe you just like quoting ME and not others here that said the same damn thing I said about Khan? Do YOU even know what your trying to say? Your confused is that it? How is it you just refered to my logic being weak. and that Both Bradley and Khan are coming off lackluster so-so performances." But THEN you come right back a few post later and say "Khan's the most talented dude in that division.I agree. Maybe he hasn't proven that he's the best yet, but as far as physical talent and potential, I'd go with Khan over the other guys. i almost wanna call you a CLOWN for that but i won't say anything this time.
All true, not disputing.
But the point was, and it's a valid point, he's a much more live underdog than anyone Pacquiao has fought in years.
He shouldn't win and most likely won't but you can ask Bernard Hopkins about Jermain Taylor: big, strong, and young can sometimes be enough on any given night.
I too C/S about him being a much more live underdog than anyone Pacquiao has fought in years.And as long as the fight continues (IMO) he has a punchers chance of doing something unexpected.
Dude, this is the most over used statement on the boxing threads!! It's easy to say this now, after Manny has dominated a fighter, hind site is always 20/20.... Before Manny fought Margarito, even though he was the favorite, there was talk about how much bigger Margarito was than Manny, etc. but once he dominated, he was washed up... Before he fought Clottey, there was talk that Clottey might give him trouble because of his style, defense, etc. once Manny dominated him, he was a shell and used up... When Manny dominated Shane, there were who threads set up to try to pick a part his performance, when in reality he dominated Shane worse than Floyd did, BUT, the excuse is, either Shane is washed up OR Floyd softened him up for Manny, etc. (Like Floyd is THAT type of fighter and puncher?!?!?
) it goes on and on. Ortiz has ONE big win over a Berto whom many have said was overrated and a one dimensional fighter, NOW he the best (not that you've said it, but it has been said here) challenge at welterweight?!?!? No doubt he presents his challenges, but if Manny was to have fought and dominated him, you guys would have said he is too young, raw, cherry picking, etc.... but let Floyd dominate him, and there will be talk of a ticker tape parade!!?!?!All and all, my contention is still Floyd and Manny BOTH are bullshit artist when it comes to this sort of deceptive match making... I'm just objective enough to call bullshit when I see it, and not looking for little minor comparative factors that really aren't as profound as some of you try to make them to be, just to trump up one fighters choices over another....
I firmly believe, this will continue to be Floyds cycle, pick up a few million here and there to offset his financial issues, but he nor Manny are in a rush if ever to fight each other... at the end of the day, BOTH of them will be laughing all the way to the bank, while those of us looking at this situation with Rose colored glasses will be left to ponder a 'what if' that truly doesn't exists...
His problem will be if Mayweather sticks to his script and starts pulling ahead in the 3rd round, slipping and catching punches, does Ortiz get frustrated? While I wasn't sure about his heart with Berto, that was his kind of fight. Mayweather is not Berto and won't fight an Ortiz fight no matter how much Ortiz tries to push it.
What?
Bruh, nobody seriously gave Clottey or Margarito even a puncher's chance against Pacquiao so I don't know where you saw all this. The only people that even let those thoughts pass through their minds were people who don't really follow boxing or worked for Top Rank (and that includes media people who go into sell mode as a fight gets closer, even if they shit on the fight when it was announced).
If Manny had fought him (btw, stop telling people what they would have done in a hypothetical, again, that's looking for an argument that doesn't exist), I would be praising him for fightinig a real challenge as opposed to everyone he's fought since JMM. Ortiz would be an even bigger threat to Pacquiao because of the style matchup which is probably why he's not fighting Pac.
In this thread, there was talk of preferring to see May fight Khan or Bradley but some of those were guys who have complained that Mayweather only fights smaller guys.
If Mayweather dominates Ortiz, he'll get the props for beating up a younger, bigger, stronger guy but it will still be a case of him doing what he's supposed to do.
damn there not going to let ortiz at least milk a couple title defenses to build his name first...this smells like they're cashing him out