wmjj47 said:Never that!!! Kobe can't take the place of the greatest NBA player MJ!!! When you are playing ball and you make a move to the basket, you don't say "KOBE!!!"
You say, "JORDAN!!!" then you hit that jumpshot!!!
Actually,I say
Julius!!
FLASHBACK THREAD 2007: At Kobe's present output can he overtake MJ as best player in the NBA by the end
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Actually,I say
at tobe's present output can he overtake jeff grayer?
ruben patterson gave himself that name while he was playing for the fakers. that's ONE dude. ONE. and he gave himself the nickname.
more myth building nonsense. gilbert arenas got (actually bought) this nickname from his teammate, brendan haywood, who began using it as an expression.
WHAT???
LordSinister said:
ruben patterson gave himself that name while he was playing for the fakers. that's ONE dude. ONE. and he gave himself the nickname.
LordSinister said:
more myth building nonsense. gilbert arenas got (actually bought) this nickname from his teammate, brendan haywood, who began using it as an expression.
LordSinister said:
WHAT???
Cuzz, I forgot what thread it was, but you said something about cats being stupid, generally from Los Angeles and Laker fans!
And he and the team named himself kobe stopper. Bowen, Bell, Christy all used to claim that shit too. Not the name, but the job. 
Oh, one more question homie? What's your team?
And he and the team named himself kobe stopper. Bowen, Bell, Christy all used to claim that shit too.
Not the name, but the job. Oh, one more question homie? What's your team?
LordSinister said:
you must've been half sleep from a late night at school. i was talking about armenians. ARMENIANS. glueguy responded and that caught your eye.
LordSinister said:
the answer is the same place it's been posted for MONTHS. on the SPORTS board. just do a search with my name, it's still sitting there.
Naw cuzz, the jig is up!!
Anyway, the shit Kobe did to Portland was on a level just as high, if not higher than anything I ever saw Jordan do.
Anyway, the shit Kobe did to Portland was on a level just as high, if not higher than anything I ever saw Jordan do.
I say kobe is better at this point of his career, and I never liked kobe, but I will give it to him, he can flat out play.
First off the league has much more talent, they get it from all over the world, for most of jordans career it was just local, now we have a 6 billion people talent pool.
Plus its harder for kobe to build players up, with the "me first hip hop" generation, muthafuckas will play hard for a contract then sit down.
Jordan did more for the league, and is responsible for kobe, I mean kobe took jordans game and enhanced it a tad.
The fadeaway is lethal, and that is jordans fucking move. His jumper is money.
The man is only 28 years old and if he takes care of himself has 10 more years of top play, like malone and stockton did.
I hated kobe, but now I see he is a fucking beast.
And no the new thing is to coast through the regular season and save your energy for the PLAYOFFS.
People are seeing its better to have FRESH legs then HOMECOURT, so I think kobe has a ring or 2 left in him in 10 years.
First off the league has much more talent, they get it from all over the world, for most of jordans career it was just local, now we have a 6 billion people talent pool.
Plus its harder for kobe to build players up, with the "me first hip hop" generation, muthafuckas will play hard for a contract then sit down.
Jordan did more for the league, and is responsible for kobe, I mean kobe took jordans game and enhanced it a tad.
The fadeaway is lethal, and that is jordans fucking move. His jumper is money.
The man is only 28 years old and if he takes care of himself has 10 more years of top play, like malone and stockton did.
I hated kobe, but now I see he is a fucking beast.
And no the new thing is to coast through the regular season and save your energy for the PLAYOFFS.
People are seeing its better to have FRESH legs then HOMECOURT, so I think kobe has a ring or 2 left in him in 10 years.
I love to see the youngins get all bent out of shape and cant think of anything else but to be insulting but no Im talking about position cause shaq isnt a number 2 option outside of the paint. Again Kobe is playing in an era where the game sucks, talent isnt molded anymore. Where the rules have changed more than a couple of times to give near 200 games and allow shooting guards to reach 80 pt games.Nobody said:
Detroit is the only "team" that resembles the teams that played in that era where defense truly ruled games and it was battle from start to finish.
76er, Boston, Knicks,Bulls,Cavs, pacers, Pistons,Spurs,Jazz,nuggets, mavs,Rockets,Lakers blazers and seattle were strong above 500 teams. Defense played a big role .MJ rose above that talent pool. Then Mj came back when magic ,phoenix, charlotte came into the picture ,their names outshines any talent in this era.
Its just my opinion,no hate on dude but man Bball was better back then, I dont even watch bball anymore. I used to watch everyday.
Relax its a discussion, unless kobes your brother?
I'm not a Kobe fan nor am I a Kobe basher. I honestly believe that kobe will not be considered the greatest of all time but he will be on par with MJ statwise. Three more rings is very possible, breaking the career scoring mark is very possible etc. And all you Kobe haters fail to realize that jordan rarely held his opponents best player, Pippen did that. Phil jackson or Laker management isn't trying to build what MJ had to be successful.
1. A vicious on ball defender(Pippen)
2. A spot up shooter(Kerr-Paxson)
3. A rebounding PF(H. Grant-Rodman)
4. A center that can pass well enough in the triagle O(Cartwright-Longley,Wennington,Perdue )
5. A PG with enough common sense to run the show when needed(Harper-Armstrong)
Transplant MJ in this current Lakers situation and he'll have some problems too.
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1. A vicious on ball defender(Pippen)
2. A spot up shooter(Kerr-Paxson)
3. A rebounding PF(H. Grant-Rodman)
4. A center that can pass well enough in the triagle O(Cartwright-Longley,Wennington,Perdue
)5. A PG with enough common sense to run the show when needed(Harper-Armstrong)
Transplant MJ in this current Lakers situation and he'll have some problems too.
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trekei said:
the fact of the matter is you compared Shaq/Kobe to Cartwright/Jordan, in a lame attempt to draw a Center/Sg comparison to say that Kobe won his titles with Shaq as his center, when Jordan won his with Cartwright, implying that that is what makes Jordan better than Kobe.
How about I say Shaq won his titles with Rick Fox has his small forward while Jordan had all time great Scottie Pippen, and imply that Shaq is better than Jordan because he had the lesser player as a teammate at the three?
You see, people try to shit on the league now, but overall the product is BETTER now, it allows for more parity in the league with the addition of the salary cap. You cannot put all the blame on the players, it's MUCH harder to put together a team. Also, Jordan blew up at a time where the other top teams were heading downward. Magic and Bird were on their way out the league, and Jordan didn't have to face zone defenses (which was known as the illegal defense in the 80s) which makes the game harder for perimeter players
This is not even an argument...there is no way in hell KB24 will overtake MJ23 as the GOAT. All the reason have mainly been covered here, but in KB24's years in the L, he has played NO WHERE NEAR the level of competition Money Mike played night in and night out, at least from '84 till about '96-97. There are MAYBE 4 or 5 top level teams in the L right now (Dallas, Phoenix, Detroit, San Antonio, Miami); while the GOAT was around you had at least 9 or 10 (Detroit, Seattle, LAL, Portland, Houston, NYK, Philly, Indiana from '92-'98, Utah). The level of competition in the 'L' nowadays is at it's weakest that I can remember; yeah you have some great individual players, but FEW TEAMS that can have a star or two and role players that can compliment them.
you can't be serious; the league sucks nowadays, the conference balance is all fucked up (and I'm aware that Detroit and Miami have won titles in the last 3 years); the west shits on the East; hell, the 5th best team in the West would be 2nd best in the East right now, and I love the Eastern Conference, but for the last few regular seasons its been like the damn NL West in baseball; but shooting in the L has been terrible, scoring is down from the 80's and 90's....nah, I dont think it's better, but that's just me.
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you can't be serious; the league sucks nowadays, the conference balance is all fucked up (and I'm aware that Detroit and Miami have won titles in the last 3 years); the west shits on the East; hell, the 5th best team in the West would be 2nd best in the East right now, and I love the Eastern Conference, but for the last few regular seasons its been like the damn NL West in baseball; but shooting in the L has been terrible, scoring is down from the 80's and 90's....nah, I dont think it's better, but that's just me.
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cold-n-cocky said:
Co-sign 100%
I'm an NBA fan & this is the first year that I haven't been really paying attention. I have never missed watching an All-Star game until this year. The league is weak as hell right now & the Commish is making it str8 bitch-made. There is nothing on the level of what you used to see in watching Chi/NY or Chi/Det in the late 80's/early 90's. Those games on Sunday afternoons were events. Shit is weak now & since the NBA moved to ABC even the quality of the telecasts has taken a nose dive.
Nobody said:
Let me see.. you take an era where a dude had to be better all around (no zone defenses to bail out scoring primadonnas that only wanna play on one end of the floor) and you say TODAY's NBA is better? GTFOH
There are plenty of cats in todays league with talent, but you also have an influx of HS stars (that pretty much says it all). Todays NBA is a bastardized version of the game of ..shit only 15 years ago.
Cats back in the day considered it an insult to play zone once you got in the league, thats like an NFL team in all seriousness trying to run Nebraska's old option offense. Today the zone is a necessity because too many players only know how to play offense (thats what happens when a greedy ass league and greedy ass ownership can't wait for the next great one to develop in the college ranks).
It's not many cats that can guard Kobe now, just like there weren't many cats that could guard MJ then.. but comparing todays league with the league of Jordans era....c'mon youngin..do ya homework before you give ya presentation in class.
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kkiddmd said:
Hell yeah it would. The edge would always go to MJ but Kobe would come closer to beating him than Pat Ewing, Reggie Miller, or Karl Malone did in their prime.
I dont think Kobe is better than Mike but its not like its a blasphemous discussion. Lots of people just go along with common opinion, like its wrong to challenge Mike. Kobe had Shaq for his rings but Jordan had Pippen. And as a Bulls fan I'll admit, dude is right Jordan didnt win shit when the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers were strong. Neither of those teams really competed again when the Bulls came on strong and it was mainly because they were too old.
And another thing I will admit is that I seriously dont think the Bulls could have beat the 01 Lakers with Kobe and Shaq and peaking...but who knows. Mike is great but nobodies greatness is unchallengable, Mike was the greatest player in what most consider the NBA's prime but you can say he was the definitive greatness ever. Like Walt Frazier said and I quote...."I dont know how people say Jordan is the greatest, he doesnt have the most points, Kareem does, he doesnt have the most rings Russell does, and he wasnt the most prolific scorer: Wilt was."..People like to carry on like drones but that shit makes alot of sense.
And another thing I will admit is that I seriously dont think the Bulls could have beat the 01 Lakers with Kobe and Shaq and peaking...but who knows. Mike is great but nobodies greatness is unchallengable, Mike was the greatest player in what most consider the NBA's prime but you can say he was the definitive greatness ever. Like Walt Frazier said and I quote...."I dont know how people say Jordan is the greatest, he doesnt have the most points, Kareem does, he doesnt have the most rings Russell does, and he wasnt the most prolific scorer: Wilt was."..People like to carry on like drones but that shit makes alot of sense.
No comparison the NBA is watered down nowadays. You can't even play solid defense anymore without it being a foul. Jordan played when the NBA was really the NBA how many times did the Pistons whip his ass when he went to the hole. What about the Knicks and the Jordan Rules. Kobe is a great player but him and Nash are products of a watered down NBA. There is not one player in the nba today who is mentally tough enough to endure what Jordan did in the 90's and still lead his team to six championships.
Is this the same Kobe who gave up on his teammates in the playoffs last year against Phoenix? No comparison
Is this the same Kobe who gave up on his teammates in the playoffs last year against Phoenix? No comparison
lac said:
co-sign like a motherfucker....i realize it's a different era, but like you said, gone are the days when cats had to endure any punishment driving down the lane to score, let alone get a foul called. I'd love to see KB24, McGrady, and Wade (and to me D. Wade is the fuckin' truth) last through 82+ driving against Ewing, Xavier McDaniel, Oakley, Mason, a young Mutumbo, Rick Mahorn, Laimbeer, etc.). Hell, Ron Artest, crazy as he is, would have LOVED and thrived MORE in the 80's and 90's NBA.
Stern has the game so fucked up now cats cant even LOOK at the refs funny w/o getting T'ed up; the whole one game suspension after 16 T's in a season or whatever it is is fuckin ridiculous. Niggas can't throw a bow w/o a fuckin suspension; hell, I remember back in '94 when Derrick Harper and Jo Jo English got to scrapin' RIGHT IN FRONT OF STERN during a Knicks/Bulls playoff game; each got at MOST 2 games......shit would be 1/4 of a season now.......nah cuz....but back to discussion.....KB24 will be top 10....but can gain CRAZY ground on the whole MJ/KB debate IF he can win another title w/o Shaq O'Neal.
Yep, I think he already has!!! We put Jordan on a pedestal because it's more of a nostalgic thing. Now that we R older we tend 2 criticize thing more intensely. If Kobe was in Jordan's time and Jordan was now......we'd be saying that Jordan could never live up 2 Kobe!!!!Also think about the rules of the game now, the rule are aloooootttt harder now, and Kobe still kicks azz!!!
Another thing that gets me is that when people talk about the competition Jordan played against in the 80's compared to Kobes...but Jordan didnt win shit against that great competition. Like I said Im a bulls fan but Jordan didnt exactly beat any great teams. The Pistons and Lakers were past their prime. And the Celtics were already dead when the Bulls came up. Yes MJ came up in a better era but he didnt win shit against that era.
Kobe cant even get out the 1st round, this is blasphemy. Kobe's basically doing now what niggas like AI & T-Mac been doin for the past 10 years, scoring a bunch of points and not winning shit. D Wade is living proof that you could've put any star SG on them Lakers teams with Shaq and won rings.
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cold-n-cocky said:
Cosign
With Kobe's temperament, I couldn't imagine if he had to go through the physical challenges that Mike did with Det/NY/Mia. Mike had to actually bulk up to overcome what was being thrown at him. Like dude said, Kobe hasn't seen the likes of the X Man, Mason's & Oakley's on the reg. Kobe is great but naw.
FJP, you can continue to say the Bulls didn't play great teams but those 3 teams that you mention aren't the only 3 great teams in any given season during the NBA's history. That Chicago/NY series was like a Finals & every Finals had the Bulls against a team that could've beat the Bulls except for 90/91 against LA. I've seen you post that you're late twenties & I don't expect you to fully remember what they did during those runs.
I mean I can give you a list of greats who never got the chance to realize being a World Champion. It's utterly rediculous. You cannot say the same about Kobe. Who did they stop from getting a chapionship? Barkley? Ewing? Malone? Stockton? Kemp? Miller? Price? Mourning (at the time)? Throw some names out. Utah & San Antonio went through them in the playoffs. Those muthafuckas got swept in 98. Hell, the Bulls never were really even losing 1 game in the first round during those championship years. I don't know if you remember the Chicago/Washington series early during the Bulls second three-peat, but that young team could've caught and shocked an experienced team. In fact, the Bulls won that series 3-0 but the tone was more like 3-2. Scottie also hurt his back during a fall but the greatness of those two took care of business as they always had.
During those runs the Bulls faced way more adversity on the way to their championships than the Lakers did. I'm talking about going down 0-2 to a solid NY team, having Mike with the flu during a crucial game to Utah. Pippen a fucked up back where if they had lost that game we'd been looking at a game 7 in Utah with Pippen having a fucked up back. I can list many others but you should get the point. I have yet to see Kobe produce as Mike did in the game against Utah where he had 38 points playing with the flu. This muthafucka had to be literally carried off the court by Pippen. Muthafucka was so raw he had the Bulls do everything while he provided the scoring. In fact, Pippen was humbled and apologetic that Mike had to have that type of game in his condition for them to win. In other words until I see Kobe prove that he can be that type of player, he will never be able to dethrone MJ as the GOAT.
blaQue Ice said:Yep, I think he already has!!! We put Jordan on a pedestal because it's more of a nostalgic thing. Now that we R older we tend 2 criticize thing more intensely. If Kobe was in Jordan's time and Jordan was now......we'd be saying that Jordan could never live up 2 Kobe!!!!Also think about the rules of the game now, the rule are aloooootttt harder now, and Kobe still kicks azz!!!
Brah,
Get off of Fanasy Island. What world are you living in to say that today's rules are more difficult. You have to offer one ounce of proof. The reason for many rule changes is to amp up the scoring and make the NBA less physical. I was watching a game yesterday, and there was a flagrant foul called on Dampier. That would have been a normal foul back in the late 80's to mid nineties. I've siad before, you put a Derke Harper on a Steve nash,a nd he wouldnt run around the court freely as he does now. The league is weaker. Point Blank. Period.
What puts Jordan above so many other players is his heart/passion/fire, mental toughness, and his willingness to work on his weaknesses.
Kobe is what, 28. He has a good eight or nine years left barring no injuries.
Maybe he can change peoples opinions in that time, as far as his comparison to Jordan. I believe he will have to change himself in order to do that.
Kobe is what, 28. He has a good eight or nine years left barring no injuries.
Maybe he can change peoples opinions in that time, as far as his comparison to Jordan. I believe he will have to change himself in order to do that.
Blaq said:Cosign
With Kobe's temperament, I couldn't imagine if he had to go through the physical challenges that Mike did with Det/NY/Mia. Mike had to actually bulk up to overcome what was being thrown at him. Like dude said, Kobe hasn't seen the likes of the X Man, Mason's & Oakley's on the reg. Kobe is great but naw.
FJP, you can continue to say the Bulls didn't play great teams but those 3 teams that you mention aren't the only 3 great teams in any given season during the NBA's history. That Chicago/NY series was like a Finals & every Finals had the Bulls against a team that could've beat the Bulls except for 90/91 against LA. I've seen you post that you're late twenties & I don't expect you to fully remember what they did during those runs.
I mean I can give you a list of greats who never got the chance to realize being a World Champion. It's utterly rediculous. You cannot say the same about Kobe. Who did they stop from getting a chapionship? Barkley? Ewing? Malone? Stockton? Kemp? Miller? Price? Mourning (at the time)? Throw some names out. Utah & San Antonio went through them in the playoffs. Those muthafuckas got swept in 98. Hell, the Bulls never were really even losing 1 game in the first round during those championship years. I don't know if you remember the Chicago/Washington series early during the Bulls second three-peat, but that young team could've caught and shocked an experienced team. In fact, the Bulls won that series 3-0 but the tone was more like 3-2. Scottie also hurt his back during a fall but the greatness of those two took care of business as they always had.
During those runs the Bulls faced way more adversity on the way to their championships than the Lakers did. I'm talking about going down 0-2 to a solid NY team, having Mike with the flu during a crucial game to Utah. Pippen a fucked up back where if they had lost that game we'd been looking at a game 7 in Utah with Pippen having a fucked up back. I can list many others but you should get the point. I have yet to see Kobe produce as Mike did in the game against Utah where he had 38 points playing with the flu. This muthafucka had to be literally carried off the court by Pippen. Muthafucka was so raw he had the Bulls do everything while he provided the scoring. In fact, Pippen was humbled and apologetic that Mike had to have that type of game in his condition for them to win. In other words until I see Kobe prove that he can be that type of player, he will never be able to dethrone MJ as the GOAT.
Never said The Bulls didnt play great teams. But to be honest until the 88-89 seasons Jordan did the same shit Kobe is doing now, Scoring a bunch of points but still losing to superior competition. Its amazing to me how people always credit Kobes success to Shaq and then turn around act like Mike won something without Pippen. This is only Kobes 2nd year of being the man. It took mike 7 years to find the right player/chemistry to win it all.
You talk about the Knicks and no adversity, I really think the Spurs teams the lakers beat would have beat the Knicks. Dont get me wrong the bulls were great but you have to admit they had great timing on their side. Be honest on a man to man level take The Bulls BEST championship team which ever you want to chose....And be honest do you think their run would have been as great if it started in 81 instead of 91?......
I'm sick and fucking tired of these motherfucking brainless L.A. Lakers fans talkiing about "oh fucking Kobe this" and "of fucking Kobe" that.
Read this carefully people and watch the damn bouncing ball people.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON IN OUR LIFETIME PEOPLE. BY THE TIME WE SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON AT LEAST WE WILL BE COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY. BY THE TIME WE SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON WE WILL PROBABLY BE IN SOME DAMN NURSING HOME LOOKING SENILE AND POSSIBLY HAVE ALZHEIMERS
Kobe thinks....that is right...thinks he is Michael Jordon. Believe me Kobe ain't no damn Michel Jordon. The man can play for damn 30,000 fucking years and he still won't get withing 1000 miles of what Michael Jordon did for the Bulls or the motherfucking NBA people.
Finally...
I hate....get that...HATE the damn L.A. Lakers.
Bryant will surpass Jordon in his career?
Motherfucker...please. Don't ask fucking stupid as questions like that. Get a fucking life man!!!
Read this carefully people and watch the damn bouncing ball people.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON IN OUR LIFETIME PEOPLE. BY THE TIME WE SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON AT LEAST WE WILL BE COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY. BY THE TIME WE SEE ANOTHER PLAYER LIKE MICHAEL JORDON WE WILL PROBABLY BE IN SOME DAMN NURSING HOME LOOKING SENILE AND POSSIBLY HAVE ALZHEIMERS
Kobe thinks....that is right...thinks he is Michael Jordon. Believe me Kobe ain't no damn Michel Jordon. The man can play for damn 30,000 fucking years and he still won't get withing 1000 miles of what Michael Jordon did for the Bulls or the motherfucking NBA people.
Finally...
I hate....get that...HATE the damn L.A. Lakers.
Bryant will surpass Jordon in his career?
Motherfucker...please. Don't ask fucking stupid as questions like that. Get a fucking life man!!!
FJP said:
Just for the convo, here's my top championship teams of my lifetime:
87-88 LAL
96-97 Chicago
83-84 Boston
86-87 LAL
91-92 Chicago
88-89 Detroit
84-85 LAL
95-96 Chicago
02-03 SAS
And if the Bulls run had started in '81 instead of '91, they still would have won at least 3 titles IMO; hell in '86 Jordan came back from the broken foot during the regular season and damn near beat Boston by HIMSELF in the playoffs. During that 10 year span ('81-'91) Chicago would have been good for 3. The real question is, which Chicago team, the '90-'93 squad with Cartwright, Paxson, Grant, Levingston, Scott Williams, Craig Hodges....or the '95-'98 squad with Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, Longley, Bucheler and Wennington? My vote is for '90-'93....IMO
FJP said:
First i'd like to say that having debates with kats like you makes BGOL all G. Both kats really seem to believe what they're saying and not just typing on some hating type bs shit.
But naw, I don't credit how good Kobe is to Shaq. That's Cranrab & Xfactor. I have always argued pro-Kobe. I just don't think he's better than Mike. I think with good reason as far as the stats & accomplishments are concerned. I also attribute Mike's winning in Chicago to Pippen as well, but like Kobe, not for his greatness as a player.
For a team to be as successful as those two teams were, you have to have at least 2 great players. So you'll never see me marginalize what Scottie meant to Chicago. He was the biggest reason the Bulls started to win titles. Mike had been ready prior to Pippen coming into his own as a great player.
As far as that Spurs team beating the 92 Knicks, I don't know about that one. I think that particular team would've been too physical for that San Antonio team. Had the Knicks gotten to the Finals that year, Ewing would've had a ring. They should've beaten Chicago that year.
What you accuse some of us of doing in speaking on Jordan's legend, the same can be said about the 3 teams that you mention when speaking on their runs. Boston, LA, Philly & even Detroit were all great teams. Looking at the make-up of those teams what stands out to me is they were deep. From that standpoint i'd have to ride with them. Then looking at the 3 man core of Jordan, Pippen & Rodman and what they brought to the table both offensively & defensively would make me reevaluate. The 3 best in the game at what they did & just as smart & more athletic/physical would have made for a great series with any of those teams. As i've always said, I do think that LA had the best team (all around) that i've ever seen.
Also, to add upon Kobe's second year of being the man theory. Dude is a vet as his second year of being the man. He came straight into the league. Jordan's second year of being the man was him in his seccond year not after he had honed his skills. It would just be plain wrong to pull up Kobe's stats from his 2nd year where he'd gotten real pt & put them against Mike's, so I won't even do that. That would put things into perspective alot more.
The only reason Kobe is good is because he had Shaq covering his ass.
When Shaq left the Lakers, what happened to the Lakers? They went downhill. Oh yeah, they gave crybaby Kobe what he wanted. Kobe wanted to be "the man", want the ball all the time and wanted the entire team play the way he wants to play. No, no, he didn't care about Phil Jackson's playing stragety. If Phil Jackson's playing stragety was not "Kobe approved", Kobe will be on television doing tantrums like the immature bitch he is.
Fuck Kobe. When the Lakers get to the playoffs, if they get to the playoffs, I expect the Lakers to fizzle out by the second round of NBA playoffs.
Just watch!!!
When Shaq left the Lakers, what happened to the Lakers? They went downhill. Oh yeah, they gave crybaby Kobe what he wanted. Kobe wanted to be "the man", want the ball all the time and wanted the entire team play the way he wants to play. No, no, he didn't care about Phil Jackson's playing stragety. If Phil Jackson's playing stragety was not "Kobe approved", Kobe will be on television doing tantrums like the immature bitch he is.
Fuck Kobe. When the Lakers get to the playoffs, if they get to the playoffs, I expect the Lakers to fizzle out by the second round of NBA playoffs.
Just watch!!!
Man. Every time this cats scores a bunch of points..this MJ shit comes up. Jordan evalated his game during the playoffs and specifically during the finals. What did Kobe do in the playoffs last year...he tanked the game 7. He did not miss shots..he decided to passively watch the game and take 1 shot in the second half and watch his team get booted. He showed his leadership abilities then.You have to be brain dead to compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan. Kobe is struggling to keep his team in the fucking playoffs. He is not playing for titles..be is playing just to make the playoffs ever since Shaq left. Regarding the titles he has attained. Any man with an understanding of basketball easily understood that Kobe was apart of the SUPPORTING cast on the Laker teams that won titles. If you switch his name with any other shooting guard/forward of similar playing ability those teams continue win titles just as they did. He was apart of the support:Horry, Fisher, Kobe etc. This was not some type of 2 man wrecking crew..that was Shaq's team. Those teams won and lost and Shaq's back. As Kobe began to get more clock and take more shots..the decline in winning percentage began. When Kobe wins at least one title as the leader of his time...come back. In all likelihood..Kobe will probably never make it back to the finals. For all you kids talking about eras and talent. There were more top 50 players of all time during Jordan's era than any other. You can run a list of top 50 who did not get Titles just because of Jordan..great teams who did not win title just because Jordan and the bulls denied them.
what the fuck has Kobe done since Shaq lefted? All he has done is score points.. He has not improved his team one bit. He does not understand how to actively make this teammates fit into the system. He does not understand how to contol the offensive tempo..get your teammates involved early and often..and then score late in quarters and dominate 4th quarters.which was a Jordan motto. Get your teammates involved and dominate the ball when necessary. Kobe so thorougly dominates the offense that other players are not allowed to get into any offensive flow. There is a myth that he needs to score 40 points a night in order for the Lakers to win..but when you look as their winning percentage..when he takes less than 23 shots..their winning percentage rises greatly... however, he still has not figured that out because he has no basketball IQ..he plays on talent alone. His mental awareness of the game has no evolved..that is the biggest problem in his game right now. He has not involved beyond the physical side of the game.
I can even understand the Magic Johnson argument (although Magic says Jordan was teh GOAT) or even the Russell Argument because of the amount of titles he won, etc..
but this Kobe bullshit. Kobe will be LUCKY if he gets voted into the top 50 of all time when he finishes his career..lucky..even regards to being the GOAT..put the fucking rocks down... Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc are a level much ABOVE players like Kobe. Not only did the all have the ability to score..the made their players better...understood the psychology of basketball and competition..and regularly elevated their games in the playoffs when it really mattered.
what the fuck has Kobe done since Shaq lefted? All he has done is score points.. He has not improved his team one bit. He does not understand how to actively make this teammates fit into the system. He does not understand how to contol the offensive tempo..get your teammates involved early and often..and then score late in quarters and dominate 4th quarters.which was a Jordan motto. Get your teammates involved and dominate the ball when necessary. Kobe so thorougly dominates the offense that other players are not allowed to get into any offensive flow. There is a myth that he needs to score 40 points a night in order for the Lakers to win..but when you look as their winning percentage..when he takes less than 23 shots..their winning percentage rises greatly... however, he still has not figured that out because he has no basketball IQ..he plays on talent alone. His mental awareness of the game has no evolved..that is the biggest problem in his game right now. He has not involved beyond the physical side of the game.
I can even understand the Magic Johnson argument (although Magic says Jordan was teh GOAT) or even the Russell Argument because of the amount of titles he won, etc..
but this Kobe bullshit. Kobe will be LUCKY if he gets voted into the top 50 of all time when he finishes his career..lucky..even regards to being the GOAT..put the fucking rocks down... Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc are a level much ABOVE players like Kobe. Not only did the all have the ability to score..the made their players better...understood the psychology of basketball and competition..and regularly elevated their games in the playoffs when it really mattered.
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