Discussion: FARGO on FX @10pm Update: Season 5 w/ John Hamm

Fargo makes sure that everything is so interwoven

I'd be shocked if it wasn't

I'm still waiting for more aliens




Indeed.

On a side note ... with shows like Fargo, definitely find the captions/subtitles helpful given the large amount of cast members. Remembering peoples' names or when locations are mentioned, etc.

Found that helpful with Zerozerozero too ... as there were plenty of cast across New Orleans, Mexico, Senegal, Italy & Mali.
 
Deafy REALLY though Loy was calling that cop to HELP him?

Loy can't have people thinking he snitch

Didn't think he sent dude to kill them ALL though.

Can't believe he messed up and let her run out like that.
 
Calling out the mormon hypocrisy
YEAH that part. This take place in 1950 they were barely letting black people in their church. Still looked at them with the curse of HAM and had us classified as lower and not able to obtain their like highest level of salvation. When your teachings as a religion sees me as less man get the fuck out of here....

I get the root cause is because the religion was founded in America where the other religions were before the race construct had taken on it's modern form. For those religions a lot of them came up in areas where lots of different type of people existed in the same area. So they may have had an issue from people from "fill in the blank" or even all of these people are dark but it was not today's race structure but Mormonism came into being after the construct existed and in America. So as human's do you know it became enshrined in their teachings...
 
Still trying to figure out if Loy's son becomes Mike Milligan later in life (close ties w/ Rabbi Milligan and all).
Calling out the mormon hypocrisy
I absolutely believe his Son somehow betrays him, rolls with the Rabbi and becomes Mike Milligan.
Notice how Loy says the EXACT line to the Mormon that Mike Milligan says to another cop in the future:

"Pretty unfriendly, actually. But it's the way you're unfriendly. How you're so polite about it. Like you're doing me a favor."

Yeah, he got that from his Dad. :yes:
 
I absolutely believe his Son somehow betrays him, rolls with the Rabbi and becomes Mike Milligan.
Notice how Loy says the EXACT line to the Mormon that Mike Milligan says to another cop in the future:

"Pretty unfriendly, actually. But it's the way you're unfriendly. How you're so polite about it. Like you're doing me a favor."

Yeah, he got that from his Dad. :yes:

‘Fargo’ May Have Just Confirmed That Mike Milligan Fan Theory
By Kayla Cobb @kaylcobb Oct 26, 2020 at 11:30am

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Decider Streamline: 11/13/20



This season Fargo is diving into origin stories, and it’s doing them right. “Camp Elegance” all but confirmed what fans have suspected since Episode

1. And if those wild guesses are correct, Mike Milligan’s beginnings were just as unsettling and confusing as the man himself. Spoilers ahead.
It all started with a name. Fargo Season 4’s first episode introduced an Irish gang known as the Milligan Concern. Immediately, that last name set astute fans on edge. Mike Milligan (Bokeem Woodbine) was the name of Season 2’s most dynamic villain and one of the most memorable characters in all of Fargo history. Since Fargo loves throwbacks and confusing timelines more than the MCU, that Milligan connection instantly left fans wondering: did Loy Cannon’s son Satchel (Rodney L. Jones III) grow up to become Mike Milligan?
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Season 4 has yet to confirm whether or not Satchel is really Mike Milligan, but the evidence is pretty overpowering. Satchel was traded by his father Loy Cannon (Chris Rock) as part of a Kansas City tradition between rival gangs. That would mean he was a kid who has grown up in not just one but two crime families. Then there’s Rabbi Milligan (Ben Whishaw). Throughout this season Rabbi has been Satchel’s only friend. If things were to go south it would make sense that Satchel would align himself with the man who’s always by his side looking out for him rather than the father who traded him. But the biggest clue about this sure-to-be-true fan theory happens in Episode 6.
Photo: FX
After the Cannon Limited kidnapped Gaetano Fadda (Salvatore Esposito), Josto Fadda (Jason Schwartzman) gave the order that would change this war forever. He ordered one of his men to kill Satchel, knowing that this murder would result in his brother’s death and the escalation of the Fadda family’s war with the Cannons. But before Satchel could be murdered, Rabbi stepped in and shot his possible killer. He then pulled Satchel aside and gave him a choice. He could align himself with the Fadda family, his own family, or he could run.
“I never got to choose. A child soldier, that’s what they made me,” Rabbi tells Satchel. “But that’s not going to happen to you. Understand?”
At this point all we know is that Satchel is on the run with Rabbi Milligan. But take a step back and reflect on Satchel’s story so far. Here’s a kid who was traded by his own father as part of a business deal and forced to live with his family’s enemies. In this horrible world he only has one ally, a near-silent and grumpy Irish man trapped to live among an Italian mob.
In many ways Rabbi is a version of Satchel’s possible futures. As a child Rabbi was traded twice, once to a Jewish gang and once to an Italian one. If Satchel chooses to follow in Rabbi’s footsteps the first time the older man was traded, he’s destined to betray the Faddas and return to his family. Once that’s happened he’ll be home but the illusion of home will forever be broken, shattered by the knowledge his own parents treated him as a gambling chip. If he follows Rabbi’s second trade, he’ll murder his own family in cold blood. Satchel may feel vindicated for a short while, but that “victory” will always feel hollow. On this path he will always be a lonely outsider in a gang already on the fringes of society.
Yet instead of sealing his fate, Rabbi gave Satchel a third option. Though it meant risking his own life he gave this child the option to run and carve his own destiny. That more than any last name or knowledgable look screams Mike Milligan.

quotes-fargo-210.jpg


This episode also gives a nod to one of the most important figures in Mike Milligan’s life. While Josto was meeting with the representative from New York, one of the men was introduced as Joe Bulo. In Season 2 Joe Bulo (Brad Garrett) was the front man for the northern expansion of the Kansas City crime syndicate. He was all about turning crime into a more capitalistic affair, like a Walmart. But he was also Mike Milligan’s longtime mentor and friend, the person who convinced the hitman that playing by the rules and rising to the top were worth the effort.

These chance meetings and heartbreaking moments perfectly fit into who Mike Milligan becomes. They position him as a growing crime kingpin while referencing the high-brow literature Milligan is shown loving, like Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle. But more importantly Satchel’s time with Rabbi never over-explains this probable future fan favorite. Their scenes together are characterized by heavy looks and knowing, quick nods that get the point across yet still hide secrets. At least that’s the case up until the one moment it mattered most, the sacrifice that will certainly endanger Rabbi Milligan’s life and change Satchel Cannon forever. We still have no idea how this season is going to end. But for all of this pain and sacrifice Satchel taking on the last name of his one friend seems like a pretty fair trade.
 
Another clue? Bokeem Woodbine kinda alluded to it back in 2016 even though Noah probably hadn't even thought about Season 4 yet. Bokeem told HelloGiggles,

"Mike wasn’t from Kansas City, he was from somewhere up North, where he had family. And circumstances brought him to Kansas City. Some things happened while he was in Kansas City and he displayed a certain aptitude for being able to do things that might benefit people in the Kansas City syndicate. He was vetted and recruited. And he’d been working there for a few years until the events that take place in Fargo."

It's unclear where the Cannons and Cannon Limited are originally from (we do know they're not Missouri natives), and things *did* happen to Satchel/Mike while he was in Kansas City, so Bokeem's backstory for his character might just check out.


 
‘Fargo’ May Have Just Confirmed That Mike Milligan Fan Theory
By Kayla Cobb @kaylcobb Oct 26, 2020 at 11:30am

satchel-1604259234941.png

Decider Streamline: 11/13/20



This season Fargo is diving into origin stories, and it’s doing them right. “Camp Elegance” all but confirmed what fans have suspected since Episode

1. And if those wild guesses are correct, Mike Milligan’s beginnings were just as unsettling and confusing as the man himself. Spoilers ahead.
It all started with a name. Fargo Season 4’s first episode introduced an Irish gang known as the Milligan Concern. Immediately, that last name set astute fans on edge. Mike Milligan (Bokeem Woodbine) was the name of Season 2’s most dynamic villain and one of the most memorable characters in all of Fargo history. Since Fargo loves throwbacks and confusing timelines more than the MCU, that Milligan connection instantly left fans wondering: did Loy Cannon’s son Satchel (Rodney L. Jones III) grow up to become Mike Milligan?
ADVERTISEMENT


Season 4 has yet to confirm whether or not Satchel is really Mike Milligan, but the evidence is pretty overpowering. Satchel was traded by his father Loy Cannon (Chris Rock) as part of a Kansas City tradition between rival gangs. That would mean he was a kid who has grown up in not just one but two crime families. Then there’s Rabbi Milligan (Ben Whishaw). Throughout this season Rabbi has been Satchel’s only friend. If things were to go south it would make sense that Satchel would align himself with the man who’s always by his side looking out for him rather than the father who traded him. But the biggest clue about this sure-to-be-true fan theory happens in Episode 6.
Photo: FX
After the Cannon Limited kidnapped Gaetano Fadda (Salvatore Esposito), Josto Fadda (Jason Schwartzman) gave the order that would change this war forever. He ordered one of his men to kill Satchel, knowing that this murder would result in his brother’s death and the escalation of the Fadda family’s war with the Cannons. But before Satchel could be murdered, Rabbi stepped in and shot his possible killer. He then pulled Satchel aside and gave him a choice. He could align himself with the Fadda family, his own family, or he could run.
“I never got to choose. A child soldier, that’s what they made me,” Rabbi tells Satchel. “But that’s not going to happen to you. Understand?”
At this point all we know is that Satchel is on the run with Rabbi Milligan. But take a step back and reflect on Satchel’s story so far. Here’s a kid who was traded by his own father as part of a business deal and forced to live with his family’s enemies. In this horrible world he only has one ally, a near-silent and grumpy Irish man trapped to live among an Italian mob.
In many ways Rabbi is a version of Satchel’s possible futures. As a child Rabbi was traded twice, once to a Jewish gang and once to an Italian one. If Satchel chooses to follow in Rabbi’s footsteps the first time the older man was traded, he’s destined to betray the Faddas and return to his family. Once that’s happened he’ll be home but the illusion of home will forever be broken, shattered by the knowledge his own parents treated him as a gambling chip. If he follows Rabbi’s second trade, he’ll murder his own family in cold blood. Satchel may feel vindicated for a short while, but that “victory” will always feel hollow. On this path he will always be a lonely outsider in a gang already on the fringes of society.
Yet instead of sealing his fate, Rabbi gave Satchel a third option. Though it meant risking his own life he gave this child the option to run and carve his own destiny. That more than any last name or knowledgable look screams Mike Milligan.

quotes-fargo-210.jpg


This episode also gives a nod to one of the most important figures in Mike Milligan’s life. While Josto was meeting with the representative from New York, one of the men was introduced as Joe Bulo. In Season 2 Joe Bulo (Brad Garrett) was the front man for the northern expansion of the Kansas City crime syndicate. He was all about turning crime into a more capitalistic affair, like a Walmart. But he was also Mike Milligan’s longtime mentor and friend, the person who convinced the hitman that playing by the rules and rising to the top were worth the effort.

These chance meetings and heartbreaking moments perfectly fit into who Mike Milligan becomes. They position him as a growing crime kingpin while referencing the high-brow literature Milligan is shown loving, like Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle. But more importantly Satchel’s time with Rabbi never over-explains this probable future fan favorite. Their scenes together are characterized by heavy looks and knowing, quick nods that get the point across yet still hide secrets. At least that’s the case up until the one moment it mattered most, the sacrifice that will certainly endanger Rabbi Milligan’s life and change Satchel Cannon forever. We still have no idea how this season is going to end. But for all of this pain and sacrifice Satchel taking on the last name of his one friend seems like a pretty fair trade.

Holy shit...I was just sayin that would be dope if that was

Bokeems characters back story..

I forgot his name was mike Milligan

Fargo tells some gotdam great stories

Hope stays on for more seasons
 
I absolutely believe his Son somehow betrays him, rolls with the Rabbi and becomes Mike Milligan.
Notice how Loy says the EXACT line to the Mormon that Mike Milligan says to another cop in the future:

"Pretty unfriendly, actually. But it's the way you're unfriendly. How you're so polite about it. Like you're doing me a favor."

Yeah, he got that from his Dad. :yes:


Agreed. Loved seeing that on the most recent episode as I recalled the dialogue from Milligan in season 2. The “I like you” part as well when Milligan and the Kitchen brothers were being
confronted in that scene.

Sent the Mike Milligan compilation clip on Youtube to some fam’ the other day.


:thumbsup: :cheers:
 
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What aliens....tho


Call back to the end of the second season, if I recall correctly.

Also, some of the recapper/podcasters have been saying that Lorne Malvo and Oraetta Mayflower have otherworldly powers about them. Getting away with plenty of murder and evil. Often being one step ahead of the law. Plenty of malicious intent. Seems like Mayflower’s preparing to leave town
now after that botched attempt on Dr. Harvard’s life with the poisoned goods.
 
Holy shit...I was just sayin that would be dope if that was

Bokeems characters back story..

I forgot his name was mike Milligan

Fargo tells some gotdam great stories

Hope stays on for more seasons


On the 1st episode of this season, when Rabbi Milligan’s character was mentioned I was like oh shit, and the wheels were turning. Considering how great a role Mike Milligan was for Woodbine a few seasons back. And with Loy Cannon’s son being paired with Rabbi, was trying to piece together the timelines and approximate age(s). Mike
Milligan being in his 30s or early-40s or so later on, etc.
 
I think I remember some shit in season two......
Call back to the end of the second season, if I recall correctly.

Also, some of the recapper/podcasters have been saying that Lorne Malvo and Oraetta Mayflower have otherworldly powers about them. Getting away with plenty of murder and evil. Often being one step ahead of the law. Plenty of malicious intent. Seems like Mayflower’s preparing to leave town
now after that botched attempt on Dr. Harvard’s life with the poisoned goods.


Also Gloria? the automatic doors never saw her?
 
Call back to the end of the second season, if I recall correctly.

Also, some of the recapper/podcasters have been saying that Lorne Malvo and Oraetta Mayflower have otherworldly powers about them. Getting away with plenty of murder and evil. Often being one step ahead of the law. Plenty of malicious intent. Seems like Mayflower’s preparing to leave town
now after that botched attempt on Dr. Harvard’s life with the poisoned goods.

yea I slightly recall that in season two....

and Oreatta didnt she fiqure out the girl sent the letter to her new employer, thus putting the nail in her coffin if her poison victim makes a full recovery....

bruh the actin in this shit is always off the chain, chris rock is holding his own nicely... even tho some scenes I seen the ol comedien chris come out and I almost broke out and laughed

almost....lookin forward to the last two episodes..
 
Call back to the end of the second season, if I recall correctly.

Also, some of the recapper/podcasters have been saying that Lorne Malvo and Oraetta Mayflower have otherworldly powers about them. Getting away with plenty of murder and evil. Often being one step ahead of the law. Plenty of malicious intent. Seems like Mayflower’s preparing to leave town
now after that botched attempt on Dr. Harvard’s life with the poisoned goods.

Oh most definitely Malvo had sone deal with the devil demon sh*t going on

Definitely
 
yea I slightly recall that in season two....

and Oreatta didnt she fiqure out the girl sent the letter to her new employer, thus putting the nail in her coffin if her poison victim makes a full recovery....

bruh the actin in this shit is always off the chain, chris rock is holding his own nicely... even tho some scenes I seen the ol comedien chris come out and I almost broke out and laughed

almost....lookin forward to the last two episodes..


Check out that Milligan compilation clip on youtube. It’s a great refresher on many of the best scenes in season 2. It’s about 13 minutes. Loved the tension in that confrontation clip with Ted Danson too. Kitchen Bros flipping him the bird simultaneously, haha!
 
Oh most definitely Malvo had sone deal with the devil demon sh*t going on

Definitely


Agreed. Malvo with his diminuative nature but quietly ominous presence. Whereas Mayflower with her weird, herky jerky gait and movements. Almost looks like they speed up the camera to 1.5x speed when she quickly walks down a hallway, or across the street as she has in the past. Watch out, Ethelrida and family. Nurse is a serial killer.
 
Agreed. Malvo with his diminuative nature but quietly ominous presence. Whereas Mayflower with her weird, herky jerky gait and movements. Almost looks like they speed up the camera to 1.5x speed when she quickly walks down a hallway, or across the street as she has in the past. Watch out, Ethelrida and family. Nurse is a serial killer.

Malvo had LEGIT scenes where it was some type of demotic force HELPING him along
 
Agreed. Malvo with his diminuative nature but quietly ominous presence. Whereas Mayflower with her weird, herky jerky gait and movements. Almost looks like they speed up the camera to 1.5x speed when she quickly walks down a hallway, or across the street as she has in the past. Watch out, Ethelrida and family. Nurse is a serial killer.

Nurse is just off her nut crazy as f*ck

and that little girl should KNOW enough not to send a handwritten letter like that.
 
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