Canelo, Morales Eye Mayweather as Pacquiao Plays Out

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It is an interesting match up but Martinez would also have to be an aggressor instead of counter puncher to boot...:smh: Then through his reckless defense he is going to try and land a luck shot...:smh: Its possible but I see a whole lot of problems for Martinez.

It's going to take a mother fucker who is stupid fast.

I know it sounds crazy but James Kirkland has the perfect style to give Floyd nightmares, plus size and big power. I think Floyd would have to be on his bicycle all night and WHEN James finally bulls his way in - problems. Not saying Floyd couldn't beat him, but I could see huge problems for him, especially if James walks through his punches.
 

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I know it sounds crazy but James Kirkland has the perfect style to give Floyd nightmares, plus size and big power. I think Floyd would have to be on his bicycle all night and WHEN James finally bulls his way in - problems. Not saying Floyd couldn't beat him, but I could see huge problems for him, especially if James walks through his punches.

I can see that.
 

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I can see that.

Either that or it might look like James Toney vs Iran Barkley with the much smaller man taking the larger, more powerful, but much less skilled man apart. But I could definitely see it going the other way though too....I'd rather see Canelo/Kirkland right now though.:yes:
 

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I know it sounds crazy but James Kirkland has the perfect style to give Floyd nightmares, plus size and big power. I think Floyd would have to be on his bicycle all night and WHEN James finally bulls his way in - problems. Not saying Floyd couldn't beat him, but I could see huge problems for him, especially if James walks through his punches.

He has the physical tools and showed incredible heart in his last fight. I think the thing with fighting PBF is you can't be discouraged. I think PBF ways for you to show that you are frustrated. And when that happens fighters tend to slip up. Wolfe won't let that happen. At least I don't think she will.
 

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Either that or it might look like James Toney vs Iran Barkley with the much smaller man taking the larger, more powerful, but much less skilled man apart. But I could definitely see it going the other way though too....I'd rather see Canelo/Kirkland right now though.:yes:

Yeah GBP needs to jump on that. A lot of hurt Mexicans over Angulo's destruction so having their new golden boy take him on sounds like money to me. Plus it is a good fight.

While you bullshitting though, Kirkland could cause problems for Martinez which is another fight that I'm confused about why it isn't happening.
 

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Yeah GBP needs to jump on that. A lot of hurt Mexicans over Angulo's destruction so having their new golden boy take him on sounds like money to me. Plus it is a good fight.

While you bullshitting though, Kirkland could cause problems for Martinez which is another fight that I'm confused about why it isn't happening.

Good point. He needs a lil more polish though. He leaves himself open while rushing in and we saw what happened to Paul Williams.
 

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Good point. He needs a lil more polish though. He leaves himself open while rushing in and we saw what happened to Paul Williams.

Which is another why it should happening cause Kirkland looks real tough now. If Martinez were to knock the life out of Kirkland like he did to Williams a lot of people will take notice. On the other side of the coin if Kirkland's pressure makes it tough for Martinez like some of the rounds in Williams v Martinez I and then on top of that you add the bombs that Kirkland throws...:dunno:
 

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Which is another why it should happening cause Kirkland looks real tough now. If Martinez were to knock the life out of Kirkland like he did to Williams a lot of people will take notice. On the other side of the coin if Kirkland's pressure makes it tough for Martinez like some of the rounds in Williams v Martinez I and then on top of that you add the bombs that Kirkland throws...:dunno:

:yes:It would be a good fight. Whoever wins it would be sitting on top of 154.
 

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Ok gotchu. You may be right, mostly all Floyd's opponents make that face around the 11th rd. They have that "this is pointless" look on their grill.:lol:

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Mayweather opponents though process by the 11th rd
"Every time I try to hit him, he blocks it and hits me and this muhfucka keep trying to tell me some old bullshit that's getting me lit up."


:smh: I don't know on what planet Ruiz is a great champion, but you can discredit the worthiness of a fighter like Ortiz, who became champ by beating a good champion.

I know. Ortiz, finally fighting at his correct weight, beat a solid and legitimate champion in an exciting fight and was the top welterweight (not named Mayweather or Pacquiao, one who's too inactive and the other's not a real welter) in the world. But he's unworthy while Ruiz is a great champion. That is the absolute first time I've heard anyone describe him that way. Just when I think Buk is just an overly critical, if not analytical guy, he says some shit like that.

Any champ that defends his belt against whoever they throw in front on them deserves to be considered a great champ. Ortiz quit, then got beaten by Peterson. Afterwards put on a great show with Berto then collapsed mentally cause he wasn't ready for the big show. But somehow you think little of a two time heavyweight champ that had a pretty good trilogy with holyfield. But then think highly of Ortiz. Who proved everything I said how he didn't deserve the fight with pbf somehow worthy of praise and a shot. Funny.

Going by your logic, Ortiz is a great champion too. He fought whoever they put in front of him as well, including dangerous fights with guys who were match up nightmares like Peterson, Maidana, and Floyd Mayweather.
It's not about thinking highly of Ortiz, he's no more than a good fighter, not even close to great but he's at least on the level of John Ruiz.
The trilogy with Holyfield was decent at best. Pretty good is overstating it and having three close fights with Holyfield at that time of his career is nothing to brag about.

Hey, do you think PBF's resume is better than Tyson's? Do you think PBF actually stepped in the ring with better opponents than Mike?


I do.

I know it sounds crazy but James Kirkland has the perfect style to give Floyd nightmares, plus size and big power. I think Floyd would have to be on his bicycle all night and WHEN James finally bulls his way in - problems. Not saying Floyd couldn't beat him, but I could see huge problems for him, especially if James walks through his punches.


Kirkland would be a nightmare because he's so strong, physically and mentally and he would be so much bigger than Mayweather at jr middle (Floyd would eke in around 154, James 170+).

Either that or it might look like James Toney vs Iran Barkley with the much smaller man taking the larger, more powerful, but much less skilled man apart. But I could definitely see it going the other way though too....I'd rather see Canelo/Kirkland right now though.:yes:

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Yeah GBP needs to jump on that. A lot of hurt Mexicans over Angulo's destruction so having their new golden boy take him on sounds like money to me. Plus it is a good fight.

While you bullshitting though, Kirkland could cause problems for Martinez which is another fight that I'm confused about why it isn't happening.

Kirkland is still coming back, first from prison and then from getting knocked out. Smashing Angulo helped him out in a serious way but there are a few guys rightfully ahead of him in trying to fight a headliner like Martinez. He should be pointed right at Canelo. He should only be one fight away from him and I think he and Gomez could fight in an eliminator with the winner gettting a shot at Alvarez.
 

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Dave... you are being too nice to Ruiz by saying Ortiz is on his level. Ruiz has lost to nobodiesand guys who are anything but dangerous. Ortiz has beat good fighters and lost to solid fighters. When he loses to a bum or starts to show that he can't beat anyone slightly above average... then we can make them equals or close to it.

Martinez wants money fights so he can cash out at some point. Fighting guys that are barely on anyones radar isn't going to do it. Kirkland is hot right now and can be a stepping stone to other shit. On the flip, if Kirkland isn't trying to speed up the process to the top why the fuck was he fighting back to back like he was when he got out. He needs and wants a big fight so why not Martinez? If he wins he is that dude, if he loses it was against the number 3 fighter and still has those excuses along with an exciting style that allows to forgive loses just like Maidana who always seems to be in the mix some where.
 

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Dave... you are being too nice to Ruiz by saying Ortiz is on his level. Ruiz has lost to nobodiesand guys who are anything but dangerous. Ortiz has beat good fighters and lost to solid fighters. When he loses to a bum or starts to show that he can't beat anyone slightly above average... then we can make them equals or close to it.

Damn,I said "at least". :lol::lol::lol:

Martinez wants money fights so he can cash out at some point. Fighting guys that are barely on anyones radar isn't going to do it. Kirkland is hot right now and can be a stepping stone to other shit. On the flip, if Kirkland isn't trying to speed up the process to the top why the fuck was he fighting back to back like he was when he got out. He needs and wants a big fight so why not Martinez? If he wins he is that dude, if he loses it was against the number 3 fighter and still has those excuses along with an exciting style that allows to forgive loses just like Maidana who always seems to be in the mix some where.

It might be a mistake for Kirkland to jump into a fight with Martinez now. Yes, he pummeled Angulo but he was in trouble early and even in retreat, Angulo was still hitting him flush. Stick with Ann and keep moving up. Titles and big fights will come, especially in a division that deep with the prospect of Berto and/or Ortiz possibly moving up as they get older and can't make 147.
For Martinez, why fight a bout where you have nothing to gain and everything to lose? Kirkland's still trying to reestablish himself, let him do that on his own. There are guys ahead of him who should get a Martinez fight and Sergio could put pressure on Arum and GB to get him Chavez and Alvarez.
 

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Originally Posted by Visitor Buk
Any champ that defends his belt against whoever they throw in front on them deserves to be considered a great champ. Ortiz quit, then got beaten by Peterson. Afterwards put on a great show with Berto then collapsed mentally cause he wasn't ready for the big show. But somehow you think little of a two time heavyweight champ that had a pretty good trilogy with holyfield. But then think highly of Ortiz. Who proved everything I said how he didn't deserve the fight with pbf somehow worthy of praise and a shot. Funny.
Going by your logic, Ortiz is a great champion too. He fought whoever they put in front of him as well, including dangerous fights with guys who were match up nightmares like Peterson, Maidana, and Floyd Mayweather.
It's not about thinking highly of Ortiz, he's no more than a good fighter, not even close to great but he's at least on the level of John Ruiz.
The trilogy with Holyfield was decent at best. Pretty good is overstating it and having three close fights with Holyfield at that time of his career is nothing to brag about.

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Hey, do you think PBF's resume is better than Tyson's? Do you think PBF actually stepped in the ring with better opponents than Mike?

I do.


Damn Dave, we are on to total different spectrum of thoughts. Listen, Ruiz and Ortiz are not anywhere near each other in boxing history. Ruiz was a good, not great fighter. He was the first latino heavyweight champ ever.He also was a two time champ. And if it was easy then we would have seen that happen years ago. He fought some descent fighters. But the reason I say he was a good champion was two fold. He fought whoever was put in front on him and he was a good ambassador for the sport of boxing. Is he top 20? Hell no. Is he top 100. Probably not. But he did what was asked of him and I consider him a great champion. I don't consider him a great fighter in terms of ranking. But he was great champion. But if you think him an Ortiz are the same level and legacy then cool. I don't see it. And this is coming from a guy that hated watching a Ruiz fight.

Now on to Tyson. You got to be insane to think PBF has a better resume. Tyson has been in the ring with dudes that had power to knock people's heads of their shoulder. Sheldon, Ruddock, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinkleon, Frank Bruno and more had KO percentages that were insane and posed a threat. Not to mention Lewis and Holyfield are hall of famers. I don't even see how you can look at PBF's resume and think he was put in the ring with the same quality opponents that mike had. I mean how many fights can you think of that PBF had to worry about a guys power? But once again. If you think PBF has a better resume and meet more difficult opponents. Then I guess you do.
 

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Damn Dave, we are on to total different spectrum of thoughts. Listen, Ruiz and Ortiz are not anywhere near each other in boxing history. Ruiz was a good, not great fighter. He was the first latino heavyweight champ ever.He also was a two time champ. And if it was easy then we would have seen that happen years ago. He fought some descent fighters. But the reason I say he was a good champion was two fold. He fought whoever was put in front on him and he was a good ambassador for the sport of boxing. Is he top 20? Hell no. Is he top 100. Probably not. But he did what was asked of him and I consider him a great champion. I don't consider him a great fighter in terms of ranking. But he was great champion. But if you think him an Ortiz are the same level and legacy then cool. I don't see it. And this is coming from a guy that hated watching a Ruiz fight.


How was he a good ambassador for the sport? He had boring fights and was a horrible interview. Maybe he did some charity work you're aware of that I'm not and that would be great but a great ambassador?
While I'm not an Ortiz fan, hasn't he fought everyone put in front of him? Has he ducked anyone?
Historically, Ruiz is ahead but that's because he's already finished fighting. He won two heavyweight titles and it's a great accomplishment. Ortiz has won one welterweight title but he's 24 yrs old. It's highly unlikely he's finished with his career at this point.
Now on to Tyson. You got to be insane to think PBF has a better resume. Tyson has been in the ring with dudes that had power to knock people's heads of their shoulder. Sheldon, Ruddock, Bonecrusher Smith, Pinkleon, Frank Bruno and more had KO percentages that were insane and posed a threat. Not to mention Lewis and Holyfield are hall of famers. I don't even see how you can look at PBF's resume and think he was put in the ring with the same quality opponents that mike had. I mean how many fights can you think of that PBF had to worry about a guys power? But once again. If you think PBF has a better resume and meet more difficult opponents. Then I guess you do.


It's the heavyweight division, by nature, anyone who is even close to be a top contender should have knock out power. On that list, you have two great fighters. The rest, while not bad fighters, aren't considered "elite" or "great" by any stretch.

Mayweather has 5 HoFers on his resume to Tyson's 3.
Considering he was the smaller guy in his last two fights, I think he had to be worried about his opponent's power in those fights and Corrales was a knockout specialist. The difference is Floyd doesn't get hit while Mike did and as he got older, he got hit more.
 

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The only motherfucker who was talking big shit about Floyd and calling him out pre De La from what I remember was Hatton. Now excuses are maybe about why that fight shouldn't of happened and all these complaints about ducking of fights remains unsupported.

Shoot there was no way that fight was not going to be made...Collazo almost screwed that up but then Ricky made up for it with his performance against Castillo. That was supposed to be the biggest fight within the division within the past few years.

And how can you still knock on Floyd's resume? I already posted why it isn't as "complete" as others may like it to be. However, he still was able to fight two of the best fighters of our generation in Oscar and Shane, have two battles with Castillo, and dominate Corrales who was one of the most dangerous fighters of his division.
 

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Shoot there was no way that fight was not going to be made...Collazo almost screwed that up but then Ricky made up for it with his performance against Castillo. That was supposed to be the biggest fight within the division within the past few years.

And how can you still knock on Floyd's resume? I already posted why it isn't as "complete" as others may like it to be. However, he still was able to fight two of the best fighters of our generation in Oscar and Shane, have two battles with Castillo, and dominate Corrales who was one of the most dangerous fighters of his division.

Yeah, sadly Castillo was done and just showed up for a check. I think if the fight happened a few years earlier, Castillo would have fuck Hatton's life up.
 

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Yeah, sadly Castillo was done and just showed up for a check. I think if the fight happened a few years earlier, Castillo would have fuck Hatton's life up.

Shit just a few fights before that when he was fighting Corrales he would've done a demo job on Ricky.
 

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Shoot there was no way that fight was not going to be made...Collazo almost screwed that up but then Ricky made up for it with his performance against Castillo. That was supposed to be the biggest fight within the division within the past few years.

And how can you still knock on Floyd's resume? I already posted why it isn't as "complete" as others may like it to be. However, he still was able to fight two of the best fighters of our generation in Oscar and Shane, have two battles with Castillo, and dominate Corrales who was one of the most dangerous fighters of his division.

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Yeah, sadly Castillo was done and just showed up for a check. I think if the fight happened a few years earlier, Castillo would have fuck Hatton's life up.

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He would have beaten Ricky at his own game: body punching and in-fighting. One of those fights they say could be fought in a phone booth.
 

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Shit just a few fights before that when he was fighting Corrales he would've done a demo job on Ricky.

Yeah if a I remember correctly weren't there long breaks between those fights so we might be saying the same thing, but either way dude didn't want it anymore. He wasn't even in shape for the Hatton fight from what I remember.
 

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He would have beaten Ricky at his own game: body punching and in-fighting. One of those fights they say could be fought in a phone booth.

Ricky would do that jumping hook shit then hold shit he does and then on the inside Castillo would have made short work of him like Pac did. This easy victory for Hatton and the shit talking got him in the ring with Mayweather, but for some reason people act like it didn't go down like that. It was self promoting genius on Hatton's part. He made himself into a really big deal and it's were Mayweather got the idea for getting the megafight money with Pac.
 
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