Boyce Watkins calls out Tiffany Haddish cooning

[largebillsonlyplease]

physical comedy does not equal cooning. i don't recall a cooning martin lawrence. but i can easily think of some borderline roles from eddie murphy. i think eddie murphy had more of a sarcasm thing going that cooning.

we can all debate their "drag" roles. but that is a different thread.

cooning is IN PART living a stereotype. and both cardi and tiffany do it. among others....

the only difference between "diamond and silk" and cardi and tiffany is the subject matter.

Subject makes the entire difference lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

by your logic Candace Owens shouldn't be labeled a coon because she's not like Diamond and Silk she speaks perfect dialect and is conservative dressing as well as not as animated in her personality lol

You'll say that Tiffany Haddish is playing up a negative stereotype and cooning
and then say well Eddie had some borderline roles as if he didn't get on stage and play Buckwheat

And I don't have a problem with EITHER of those things
you just have a selective problem with 1 and not the other.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

The crux of the issue is
in 2018
some still care how white people perceive us for some odd reason.
The subject matter and things she's doing isn't anywhere near cooning. It might not be funny but it for damn sure ain't cooning.
It's the old eggshells around white people shit to make us look a certain way so they'll accept or approve or not think the worst about us
newsflash white people hate us overall period. They hate Tiffany Haddish the same as they hate Obama.

If you don't like her personality because it's obnoxious you're a chill person and don't really like to be around animate people
COOL THAT'S PERFECT. MAKES SENSE. SENSIBLE.

if it has anything to do with anything other than that

see above.

 

[Shaka54]

Exactly. We love publicly tearing each other down. I wish people would leave her alone. Anytime one of us get too high up, here we come with the BS. Same with Cardi B. This is how she's always been.

Many of us just hate to see the worst (or less than the best) of what we have to offer being so heavily promoted. It's like a one-course meal at the buffet.

 

[playahaitian]

Exactly. We love publicly tearing each other down. I wish people would leave her alone. Anytime one of us get too high up, here we come with the BS. Same with Cardi B. This is how she's always been.

To me this just shows Boyce aint about sh*t

of ALL the people TRULY DAMAGING Black society...

RIGHT NOW

all the voter suppression, cop killings flint's poisoned water black women getting MURDERED by alt right white men et etc etc

he decides to target Tiffany Haddish

WTF?!?!?!

Look comedy at its CORE is entirely subjective.

for example I do not find Kevin Hart funny.

but I respect his HUSTLE and I think his perseverance and work ethic is something that should not only celebrated but emulated in Black society

HOWEVER...

he has said and DONE some real foul shit concerning Black women and Black issues.

So I aint no fan...

What has Tiffany ever done?

So she has a more "physical" comedy very exaggerated and stereotypical...and honestly? I could take her or leave her

But I am VERY proud of her and support her.

So then if SHE is a coon?

then Marlon and Shawn Wayans are her 100X worse right?

I don't want to get too deep about white comedy v black comedy

and how white comedic styles are not seen differently in our culture.

My point is Tiffany is out here being funny and during interviews and award shows ALWAYS speaks UP for her people and especially Black women.

And has been TARGETED by Black MALE comedians since she blew up...

and obviously for all the "hood rat" stuff?

Has shown herself to be very understanding compassionate and forgiving of the Black men doing it.

 

[REDLINE]

you spelled wrong wrong lol

My bad Lol

 

[REDLINE]

The crux of the issue is
in 2018
some still care how white people perceive us for some odd reason.
The subject matter and things she's doing isn't anywhere near cooning. It might not be funny but it for damn sure ain't cooning.
It's the old eggshells around white people shit to make us look a certain way so they'll accept or approve or not think the worst about us
newsflash white people hate us overall period. They hate Tiffany Haddish the same as they hate Obama.

If you don't like her personality because it's obnoxious you're a chill person and don't really like to be around animate people
COOL THAT'S PERFECT. MAKES SENSE. SENSIBLE.

if it has anything to do with anything other than that

see above.

Kinda like how white peoples view Muslim’s as terrorists because a few of their representatives have stepped into the limelight.

If few of us are represented, that’s the view of us.

 

[knightmelodic]

I did no such thing
I took what you said you didn't like
And applied it to someone who did the exact same thing whom people don't have a problem with.

That's the definition of extrapolation.

 

[Backshot Bully]

oh but Katt Williams was a dope fiend hater when he basically said the same thing

 

[jack walsh13]

Many of us just hate to see the worst (or less than the best) of what we have to offer being so heavily promoted. It's like a one-course meal at the buffet.

That's an excellent point. I can't stand the loud for no reason ignorant black women role. That's all. Our women are so much greater. Plus, as a comedian, she's just not fuckin funny. At all. Haven't laughed at 1 joke she's told or any line she's read in a movie.

 

[durham]

Man he went way to far with this plantation shit. Bet he wouldn't say that shit to Eddie Murphy and all his anti Black stereotypes in the RAW or on SNL days. I bet his bitch ass watched EVERY sinhle minute. Man call her up, talk to her , all this going hard on each other, via a white person. owned platform, to break each other down is HO SHIT.

 

[Adam Knows]

he's right......

she is the female uncle ruckus at times.. every week it's a new white dude she's crushing on....

every and i mean literally every role she's played is a hoodrat ghetto type shuckin and jivin

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Kinda like how white peoples view Muslim’s as terrorists because a few of their representatives have stepped into the limelight.

If few of us are represented, that’s the view of us.

Yeah but also there's way too many prominent black people out in the open to say 1 person represents us all.

That's another construct we gotta get the f away from


Every mass shooter is a white male and white men and women and the culture and the county will not let them represent them

So we again should not let them do that shit

White ppl make up these fake unspoken rules so we can abide by as they regularly ignore

White culture is do as we say but we don't have to.


It's been our conditioning the entire time we have been in America so I know it won't change overnight or even in this lifetime

But at some point enough of us just have to say fuck you whenever they come trotting this shit to keep us infighting for outside approval

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That's the definition of extrapolation.

Coincidentally you forgot I was talking about the cherry picking your words part

As you cherry pick to point out the definition of extrapolate lol

 

[Silencer]

he's right......

she is the female uncle ruckus at times.. every week it's a new white dude she's crushing on....

every and i mean literally every role she's played is a hoodrat ghetto type shuckin and jiving

I haven't seen any movies she's been in. The recent one with Kevin Hart where she plays a teacher...she was a ghetto hoodrat? Didn't seem like it from the trailers. How about the one that no one saw...The Oath? She's a ghetto hoodrat in that one?

Comparing her to Uncle Ruckus seems a bit much. Ruckus hated black people and worshipped whites. I've never seen anything that would lead one to believe she hates black people. As for her crushing on white dudes...eh. Dudes on this board post and talk about the white women they want to fuck all the time. Any white crush she's professed to have has been told in the context of her comedy. She's talked about how she wants to fuck Michael B. Jordan as well.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Man my mother, aunt and wife do not act like that and I know you know black women who don't act like that as well you cannot be serious with this.

RIF

 

[REDLINE]

Yeah but also there's way too many prominent black people out in the open to say 1 person represents us all.

That's another construct we gotta get the f away from


Every mass shooter is a white male and white men and women and the culture and the county will not let them represent them

So we again should not let them do that shit

White ppl make up these fake unspoken rules so we can abide by as they regularly ignore

White culture is do as we say but we don't have to.


It's been our conditioning the entire time we have been in America so I know it won't change overnight or even in this lifetime

But at some point enough of us just have to say fuck you whenever they come trotting this shit to keep us infighting for outside approval

You know what, you’re exactly right!

I respect the response.

She doesn’t bother me, I don’t think she’s funny and she’s not harming me. I do see what others mean but what you are saying is correct also.

With that said, there’s no need for others to attempt to tear her down. We can discuss it because we’re not in the media or public eye doing it.

 

[Bad Andy]

She had a hard time answering this simple question without cooning.

 

[Flawless]

He isn't wrong but cats will give her a pass because she is making money.

 

[Flawless]

Yeah,its over the top and it's not the first or the last but just think what they would say about Steppin Fletchit?what other options did he have?sometimes you just have to let things be and wish em the best.

She's it now but where will she be in ten years from now?shiiit where will a lot of them be?

But being the goofy ghetto stereotype comedian seems to be the only type of black comedian who make it in Hollywood.

 

[cocobeauty]

Many of us just hate to see the worst (or less than the best) of what we have to offer being so heavily promoted. It's like a one-course meal at the buffet.

Well he needs to put more out on the buffet for us to choose from.

To my this just shows Boyce aint about sh*t

of ALL the people TRULY DAMAGING Black society...

RIGHT NOW

all the voter suppression, cop killings flint's poisoned water black women getting MURDERED by alt right white men et etc etc

he decides to target Tiffany Haddish

WTF?!?!?!

Look comedy at its CORE is entirely subjective.

for example I do not find Kevin Hart funny.

but I respect his HUSTLE and I think his perseverance and work ethic is something that should not only celebrated but emulated in Black society

HOWEVER...

he has said and DONE some real foul shit concerning Black women and Black issues.

So I aint no fan...

What has Tiffany ever done? So she has a more "physical" comedy very exaggerated and stereotypical...and honestly? I could take her or leave her ?

But I am VERY proud of her and support her.

So then if SHE is a coon?

then Marlon and Shawn Wayans are her 100X worse right?

I don't want to get too deep about white comedy v black comedy

and how white comedic styles are not seen differently in our culture.

My point is Tiffany is out here being funny and during interviews and award shows ALWAYS speaks UP for her people and especially Black women.

And has been TARGETED by Black MALE comedians since she blew up...

and obviously for all the "hood rat" stuff?

Has shown herself to be very understanding compassionate and forgiving of the Black men doing it.

Unfortunately black men tear us down faster than any white man ever. This is why I said black men getting angry at Trump about how he's talking to black women, when he's use to seeing us disrespected by our own the most.

And then for him to say how white supremacist see us, based on her is a lie, because no matter what we do white supremacist seen us a President in the white house and that didn't change shit. So they need to stop with this. White folks see us, how they see us....it's not for us to change them, because we have too many upright blacks that actors that they still don't give a damn about. We find excuses to say why they hate us....it's them...it's not us.

he's right......

she is the female uncle ruckus at times.. every week it's a new white dude she's crushing on....

every and i mean literally every role she's played is a hoodrat ghetto type shuckin and jivin

But that's her right to crush on her preference. We are looking for reasons to come at her. I don't think she's always funny, but if I'm in the spotlight, I wouldn't slam her.

 

[Flawless]

Can anyone post a video of Tiffany being funny in a stand up routine?

 

[REDLINE]

Can anyone post a video of Tiffany being funny in a stand up routine?

 

[Flawless]

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You know what, you’re exactly right!

I respect the response.

She doesn’t bother me, I don’t think she’s funny and she’s not harming me. I do see what others mean but what you are saying is correct also.

With that said, there’s no need for others to attempt to tear her down. We can discuss it because we’re not in the media or public eye doing it.

And I'm not even a fan of hers.
She isn't cooning. Her personality is loud and obnoxious and in your face and her cultural background is rooted in blackness.
She's no more cooning than a Melissa McCarthney is for being loud, in your face, obnoxious, and wearing badges of personality rooted in whiteness that's deemed OK simply cause it's white.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Tiffany Haddish is loud, ratchet and ghetto as fuck.
I used to find her funny, but not anymore. She's become both annoying and embarrassing.

But having said that, I still don't need a clout chasing clown like Boyce Watkins telling me who or what to like.
Fuck Boyce Watkins...

 

[playahaitian]

Yeah but also there's way too many prominent black people out in the open to say 1 person represents us all.

That's another construct we gotta get the f away from


Every mass shooter is a white male and white men and women and the culture and the county will not let them represent them

So we again should not let them do that shit

White ppl make up these fake unspoken rules so we can abide by as they regularly ignore

White culture is do as we say but we don't have to.


It's been our conditioning the entire time we have been in America so I know it won't change overnight or even in this lifetime

But at some point enough of us just have to say fuck you whenever they come trotting this shit to keep us infighting for outside approval

/thread

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Tiffany Haddish is loud, ratchet and ghetto as fuck.
I used to find her funny, but not anymore. She's become both annoying and embarrassing.

But having said that, I still don't need a clout chasing clown like Boyce Watkins telling me who or what to like.
Fuck Boyce Watkins...

Why is she embarrassing? I'm asking simply to get insight.
There's a 20 page thread on this very board with all of us laughing at the fact that we grew up the same way that Tiffany Haddish portrays
She can def be annoying. She can be loud. but embarrassing?
Why?

 

[playahaitian]

The funny part is the reason they're so successful is because they are authentic lol.

and speak to a LARGE audience

who feels they REPRESENT THEM.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

and speak to a LARGE audience

who feels they REPRESENT THEM.

And also represent themselves and not trying to appease to other people.
If they were someone like Plies I'd understand.

 

[playahaitian]

And I'm not even a fan of hers.
She isn't cooning. Her personality is loud and obnoxious and in your face and her cultural background is rooted in blackness.
She's no more cooning than a Melissa McCarthney is for being loud, in your face, obnoxious, and wearing badges of personality rooted in whiteness that's deemed OK simply cause it's white.[/QUOTE]

 

[playahaitian]

And also represent themselves and not trying to appease to other people.
If they were someone like Plies I'd understand.

I can't find the thread...

but last year we had a serious discussion about white comedy vs black comedy

particularly how physical comedy is viewed by the retrospective audiences

and the long history of comedy effecting what IS and what is not only FUNNY but acceptable

from the chitlin circuit to the Jews doing the Catskills etc etc....

How Jim Carrey is labeled a comedy genius (like Chaplin and Lewis)

but the Wayans routinely get called coonish.

When PHYSICAL comedy is a LONG tradition in Black comedy.

 

[playahaitian]

She's not funny like that. She just uses HoodISH sight gags for laughs. Bitch couldn't just sit on a stool and tell jokes for an hour. The test for any Comedian is are they funny on vinyl? If one has to rely on SEEING what you're doing, that ain't enough.

Wow i never thought of it like that.

You right eddie murphy does BOTH perfectly

But i cant hate that Martin Lawrence is much more physical than "vinyl " funny

This is a great thread topic.

Bernie Mac, DL, Sommore, Rock, Chappelle... maybe Katt.

I think they all 45 minute vinyl funny

I think Patrice was the closest we will ever get to that TRUE vinyl funny again.

Bill Burr too.

@4 Dimensional and @largebillsonlyplease

how do feel about this idea of being

VINYL FUNNY?

 

[Entrepronegro]

That tongue, tho...

I'm sure it has been put to work quite a bit.

 

[mangobob79]

no more cooning than a Melissa McCarthney is for being loud, in your face, obnoxious, and wearing badges of personality rooted in whiteness that's deemed OK simply cause it's white.

To my this just shows Boyce aint about sh*t

of ALL the people TRULY DAMAGING Black society...

RIGHT NOW

all the voter suppression, cop killings flint's poisoned water black women getting MURDERED by alt right white men et etc etc

he decides to target Tiffany Haddish

WTF?!?!?!

Look comedy at its CORE is entirely subjective.

So then if SHE is a coon?

then Marlon and Shawn Wayans are her 100X worse right?

these ^^^

not a big fan of hers or Kevin but i never hated on either ,

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I can't find the thread...

but last year we had a serious discussion about white comedy vs black comedy

particularly how physical comedy is viewed by the retrospective audiences

and the long history of comedy effecting what IS and what is not only FUNNY but acceptable

from the chitlin circuit to the Jews doing the Catskills etc etc....

How Jim Carrey is labeled a comedy genius (like Chaplin and Lewis)

but the Wayans routinely get called coonish.

When PHYSICAL comedy is a LONG tradition in Black comedy.

exactly