BGOL BLACK PANTHER Movie Thread [Black Panther: Wakanda Forever drops on Disney+ 2/1/23]

[AllUniverse17]

I disagree.

I don't know if anyone on here is truly qualified to define what acting role is "hardest". Cause we seen actors use the method, starve themselves, gain weight, train, study for years...

And still not deliver to the publics expectations.

The challenge of taking that role was immense.

He was really the first black lead superhero for the MCU. Millions were watching and hoping and expecting.

When he came on screen for the first time and jumped those stairs and that close up?

You think thats EASY?

You think that just anyone can sell that? Deliver that?

Be iconic?

I salute ALL THOSE ACTORS who take those roles and just nail it.

They SUPPOSED to make it look easy.

Chadwick BECAME Black Panther.

On and off the screen.

RDJ is Tony Stark PERIOD. So is Chris Evans.

Personification of comic book characters myths legends.

Same goes for any actor that takes something off the page and gives it life weight and agency.

And it ain't easy.

And being T'Challa was hard then and will harder next time.

You too are selling black male actors short.

I didn't say "anybody" can do it, or that it was EASY. I said I'm SURE if given a shot some would do GREAT in the role.

Im guessing there isn't much of an age difference between us. I'm probably a little older but still.

Do you remember when Sean Connery was Bond on and off screen? As iconic a role as there was at the time. To this day I think he's still got the most Bond movies. What do you think happened when he moved on?

Another actor would do his own version of BP. Not Boseman's. And that is what he would be judged on.

 

[Darkness's]

I'm sure they're going to remove that "gay scene"

Did they release the eternals in china? Lol

 

[Darkness's]

It's easy to say no one else could do it when you didn't give anyone a shot.

I'm willing to bet there are male black actors who are more talented then you give them credit for. Out there waiting for a shot.

Also, I hate to break it to you guys, but BP isn't even close to Boseman's hardest role. Guys, let's not kid ourselves, the movies are fun, but actors aren't digging deep in their bag to pull off those performances. I loved Boseman as BP of course but it's not because of any memorable acting performances.

Agreed

 

[Darkness's]

What I would like to know is where was wakandas army during the invasion? Where was the border tribe at least. There should've been at least an army made up of all 5 tribes and not just the j'bari and a few river tribesmen to help out innthe final battle..the first milage is notmilitary faction. They are the king's personal bodyguard. After that invasion they should've called all the war dogs in. Also I the Christopher priest run the war dogs were a special forces unit led by t'challas adopted white south African brother the white wolf and they all wire white armored uniforms that looked similar to the black panther. The movie was good for what it was but those battles could've.ebesn more epic.

 

[AllUniverse17]

What I would like to know is where was wakandas army during the invasion? Where was the border tribe at least. There should've been at least an army made up of all 5 tribes and not just the j'bari and a few river tribesmen to help out innthe final battle..the first milage is notmilitary faction. They are the king's personal bodyguard. After that invasion they should've called all the war dogs in. Also I the Christopher priest run the war dogs were a special forces unit led by t'challas adopted white south African brother the white wolf and they all wire white armored uniforms that looked similar to the black panther. The movie was good for what it was but those battles could've.ebesn more epic.

Well, you could say it was a surprise attack and therefore the army wasn't in place.

Personally what blew my mind was Shuri healing from being impaled... Just like that. Kill monger died from a way less severe injury and he had on the same suit. Also... When did Shuri learn to fight???

 

[Darkness's]

We.

Well, you could say it was a surprise attack and therefore the army wasn't in place.

Personally what blew my mind was Shuri healing from being impaled... Just like that. Kill monger died from a way less severe injury and he had on the same suit. Also... When did Shuri learn to fight???

She is a princes so she could've been trained under any ccaocity. Who trained t'challa . What if she grew up sparring with t'challa of training with the Dora's etc. And yeah you're right it was a surprise attack but there still should've been a military to respond.

 

[AllUniverse17]

We.

She is a princes so she could've been trained under any ccaocity. Who trained t'challa . What if she grew up sparring with t'challa of training with the Dora's etc. And yeah you're right it was a surprise attack but there still should've been a military to respond.

In the previous movies Shuri had her gadgets but didn't seem to know how to throw hands. Just saying. Being impaled and fine a minute later is a bigger deal anyway. I still really loved the movie personally. Surpassed my expectations.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Well, you could say it was a surprise attack and therefore the army wasn't in place.

Personally what blew my mind was Shuri healing from being impaled... Just like that. Kill monger died from a way less severe injury and he had on the same suit. Also... When did Shuri learn to fight???

She has defended wakanda in avengers infinity war and she was battling in end game.. she also fought in black Panther… she is battle tested

 

[godofwine]

I disagree.

I don't know if anyone on here is truly qualified to define what acting role is "hardest". Cause we seen actors use the method, starve themselves, gain weight, train, study for years...

And still not deliver to the publics expectations.

The challenge of taking that role was immense.

He was really the first black lead superhero for the MCU. Millions were watching and hoping and expecting.

When he came on screen for the first time and jumped those stairs and that close up?

You think thats EASY?

You think that just anyone can sell that? Deliver that?

Be iconic?

I salute ALL THOSE ACTORS who take those roles and just nail it.

They SUPPOSED to make it look easy.

Chadwick BECAME Black Panther.

On and off the screen.

RDJ is Tony Stark PERIOD. So is Chris Evans.

Personification of comic book characters myths legends.

Same goes for any actor that takes something off the page and gives it life weight and agency.

And it ain't easy.

And being T'Challa was hard then and will harder next time.

Boom.

Actors make acting look easy, but it is not easy. It is far from Easy. When we watch Chadwick Boseman enter Civil War, there is a look/feel to capturing the essence of a character. Not everyone can do it.

Capturing that essence takes someone immensely special. It's not about race, it's about a certain Unwritten thing.

Watch Back to the Future footage with Eric Stoltz playing Marty and then watch the footage with Michael J fox. Eric Stoltz isn't a bad actor, but Michael J fox smash that character, so much so that what Eric Stoltz did was just subpar in comparison

Same thing with Chadwick Boseman. Another actor COULD have done it, but they could have been Eric Stoltz

 

[godofwine]

In the previous movies Shuri had her gadgets but didn't seem to know how to throw hands. Just saying. Being impaled and fine a minute later is a bigger deal anyway. I still really loved the movie personally. Surpassed my expectations.

I've seen the movie six times, this past week I saw it with a Nigerian chick. She said that Shuri by far had the best accent.

Every time I watch it though, being impaled in the gut and then not even a minute later doing a flip, yeah that doesn't track at all. She should have made that last scene holding her stomach or something.

All in all, my complaints about the second movie were minor and I enjoyed it

 

[playahaitian]

Boom.

Actors make acting look easy, but it is not easy. It is far from Easy. When we watch Chadwick Boseman enter Civil War, there is a look/feel to capturing the essence of a character. Not everyone can do it.

Capturing that essence takes someone immensely special. It's not about race, it's about a certain Unwritten thing.

Watch Back to the Future footage with Eric Stoltz playing Marty and then watch the footage with Michael J fox. Eric Stoltz isn't a bad actor, but Michael J fox smash that character, so much so that what Eric Stoltz did was just subpar in comparison

Same thing with Chadwick Boseman. Another actor COULD have done it, but they could have been Eric Stoltz

Ka f*cking boom

 

[AllUniverse17]

Boom.

Actors make acting look easy, but it is not easy. It is far from Easy. When we watch Chadwick Boseman enter Civil War, there is a look/feel to capturing the essence of a character. Not everyone can do it.

Capturing that essence takes someone immensely special. It's not about race, it's about a certain Unwritten thing.

Watch Back to the Future footage with Eric Stoltz playing Marty and then watch the footage with Michael J fox. Eric Stoltz isn't a bad actor, but Michael J fox smash that character, so much so that what Eric Stoltz did was just subpar in comparison

Same thing with Chadwick Boseman. Another actor COULD have done it, but they could have been Eric Stoltz

That's literally what castings are for.

Living in fear isn't good for anyone. I would rather they give someone a an opportunity then predict failures everywhere.

Do you remember when they said there will never be another Bond?

 

[playahaitian]

Boom.

Actors make acting look easy, but it is not easy. It is far from Easy. When we watch Chadwick Boseman enter Civil War, there is a look/feel to capturing the essence of a character. Not everyone can do it.

Capturing that essence takes someone immensely special. It's not about race, it's about a certain Unwritten thing.

Watch Back to the Future footage with Eric Stoltz playing Marty and then watch the footage with Michael J fox. Eric Stoltz isn't a bad actor, but Michael J fox smash that character, so much so that what Eric Stoltz did was just subpar in comparison

Same thing with Chadwick Boseman. Another actor COULD have done it, but they could have been Eric Stoltz

Like THIS is easy???



WTF?!?

 

[AllUniverse17]

Like THIS is easy???



WTF?!?

Quote where I said easy.

You can look down on black actors if you want.

I'll stay believing in them.

 

[playahaitian]

That's literally what castings are for.

Living in fear isn't good for anyone. I would rather they give someone a an opportunity then predict failures everywhere.

Do you remember when they said there will never be another Bond?

WHEN DID THEY SAY THAT????

bro I'm a bond diehard fan

There are favorites

Ain't never been talk well if George Lazenby ain't in it I'm boycotting.

 

[playahaitian]

Quote where I said easy.

You can look down on black actors if you want.

I'll stay believing in them.

Ok where did look down on black actors?

 

[AllUniverse17]

I'll be clear with everyone there is nothing y'all can say to make me believe that our black actors aren't talented enough to give a good performance of Black Panther.

 

[playahaitian]

You too are selling black male actors short.

I didn't say "anybody" can do it, or that it was EASY. I said I'm SURE if given a shot some would do GREAT in the role.

Im guessing there isn't much of an age difference between us. I'm probably a little older but still.

Do you remember when Sean Connery was Bond on and off screen? As iconic a role as there was at the time. To this day I think he's still got the most Bond movies. What do you think happened when he moved on?

Another actor would do his own version of BP. Not Boseman's. And that is what he would be judged on.

I completely agree with this

And I actually completely missed your reply brother

Let me go back and read what you said

 

[playahaitian]

I'll be clear with everyone there is nothing y'all can say to make me believe that our black actors aren't talented enough to give a good performance of Black Panther.

NO ONE SAID THAT.

And full confession?

I did not think Chadwick could pull it off.

And I was wrong as f*ck

And after BPWF?

I got a list of dudes good enough and talented enough solid enough and brave enough to wear the mantle

 

[playahaitian]

https://imgur.io/qRzpKI7

No matter who wears it next.

Got some big shoes to fill.

Looking forward to it.

 

[playahaitian]

It's easy to say no one else could do it when you didn't give anyone a shot.

I'm willing to bet there are male black actors who are more talented then you give them credit for. Out there waiting for a shot.

Also, I hate to break it to you guys, but BP isn't even close to Boseman's hardest role. Guys, let's not kid ourselves, the movies are fun, but actors aren't digging deep in their bag to pull off those performances. I loved Boseman as BP of course but it's not because of any memorable acting performances.

Bro. You playing semantics

You said it wasn't his hardest

And that they ain't digging deep i

Implying the degree of difficulty and challenge was lower.

And honestly I skipped the whole black actors part...because I didn't think it was a debate. Of course there are literally dozens who could do it well. Male and female.

 

[AllUniverse17]

WHEN DID THEY SAY THAT????

bro I'm a bond diehard fan

There are favorites

Ain't never been talk well if George Lazenby ain't in it I'm boycotting.

They said it in the 70s and 80s when Connery wanted to stop playing the role.

Connery was the one and only true Bond. On and off screen.

Why do you think he stopped playing the role?

The industry couldn't see him as anything but Bond anymore, so he knew he had to step away because he didn't want to be pigeon holed anymore.

 

[godofwine]

Quote where I said easy.

You can look down on black actors if you want.

I'll stay believing in them.

I hear you bro, I hear you. And I have faith in black men and black actors as well, but it would take someone supremely talented as well as strong enough to handle all of the criticism whether it's valid or not

It's more than just the acting ability, it's the ability to handle the weight of the world. It's more likely they would end up being George Lazenby as Bond.

 

[freakp]

Yeah, saw that. Wakanda Forever was never going to match the hype and box office of the first. BP is sixth all-time domestic at $700M. Crazy numbers for any film, especially one with a predominantly Black cast. Still, I'm a little disappointed it couldn't even crack $900M, especially after the strong opening. It pulled in better domestic totals than Doctor Strange 2 and Thor: Love and Thunder but fell short in foreign markets.

Don't feel bad BP Fans. Remember this film didn't have a china release. That matters. Even though the Chinese can be racist they are a big comic book market so imagine another 100 to 200 hundred million from this market and boom BP2 crosses the billion mark.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Bro. You playing semantics

You said it wasn't his hardest

And that they ain't digging deep i

Implying the degree of difficulty and challenge was lower.

And honestly I skipped the whole black actors part...because I didn't think it was a debate. Of course there are literally dozens who could do it well. Male and female.

No I'm telling you I don't think Boseman is the only one who has the acting chops for the role.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Don't feel bad BP Fans. Remember this film didn't have a china release. That matters. Even though the Chinese can be racist they are a big comic book market so imagine another 100 to 200 hundred million from this market and boom BP2 crosses the billion mark.

Nothing to feel bad about. The movie was damn good. Whether it makes a billion or not.

 

[freakp]

'Avatar: The Way of Water' tops first box office of 2023

In its third week of release, 'Avatar: The Way of Water' holds onto the top spot at the box office, becoming first No. 1 movie of 2023

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@raze

How can ANYONE call WF a flop

Avatar was in development for damn near 2 decades created revolutionary special effects

And the movie that had to be completely rewritten and without its lead actor and lead character is rivaling its numbers.

Black director Black female lead cast

And a bullsh*t boycotting campaign supposedly lead by black folk.

Flop my ass.

Wakanda Forever suckas

Damn dude hit it on the head. Simple and plain.

 

[freakp]

Nothing to feel bad about. The movie was damn good. Whether it makes a billion or not.

True.

 

[playahaitian]

Nothing to feel bad about. The movie was damn good. Whether it makes a billion or not.

Respect

Trust bro I completely understand your point

You know all wannabe actors writers and directors sensitive as f*ck.

 

[freakp]

So, word is Ryan coogler had different plans for Wakanda forever and Disney got involved




As much as I would have loved for them to recast T'Challa, there are 2 major hurdles:

Due to Hollywood's own failures to give Black male actors true opportunities to star and shine in non-stereotypical roles, what actor do you think could have picked up the mantle?

Also 3 of the most well-known quality Black actors, Chewitetl Ejiofor, Sterling K. Brown, Michael B. Jordan, had already been utilized in the MCU. Who is left?

Secondly, the actor would have had to have Supreme acting talent, strong shoulders and thick skin. The lack of true Hollywood opportunities hurts the possibility of finding someone with Supreme acting Talent.

The strong shoulders and thick skin is necessary for someone who would be chosen to follow a legend undaunted. I can't even think of an actor who could have potentially been cast as T'Challa, so thank you Hollywood for all the years of black actors being chosen for gang member number one

Dude where was this thinking b4 the film came out when I was starting this same thing to EMAN and the other emotional wrecks out there who were in their feelings and not thinking it through. I'm glad you shared this cuz it's never too late and rational thinking most of the times prevails.

 

[Darkness's]

In the previous movies Shuri had her gadgets but didn't seem to know how to throw hands. Just saying. Being impaled and fine a minute later is a bigger deal anyway. I still really loved the movie personally. Surpassed my expectations.

Another thing I forgot to mention she ingested a synthesized heart shaped herb. The herb enhances strength a d ahilies there's also that.

 

[raze]

 

[playahaitian]

 

[playahaitian]

and I am NOT trying to hear nothing negative

cause when white movies win Oscars its a great achievement and changes lives and careers

but the only Marvel movie the one of the biggest is a BLACK movie and Academy Awards don't mean much?

F*ck outta here.

 

[raze]