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Oh yeah! Although someone mentioned it earlier in the post. Weird how Laurel was the annoying one before and Felicity was beloved. But now it seems like their roles are changing.

I'm wondering if that is deliberate?

Because Laurel has NOT acted THAT well for a minute...

that scene was so well done especially since she didn't have to EXPLAIN it to much she just ACTED and the audience understood.

And even though she gave Ollie a wicked shot when she put her arm around the mother and said it wasn't HER fault it was HIS...

again forgiving the lie/liar

we either gonna look too deep and mess around and start giving the Arrow writers CREDIT or admit they have failed their audience.
 
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I'm wondering if that is deliberate?

Because Laurel has acted THAT well for a minute...

that scene was so well done especially since she didn't have to EXPLAIN it to much she just ACTED and the audience understood.

And even though she gave Ollie a wicked shot when she put her arm around the mother and said it wasn't HER fault it was HIS...

again forgiving the lie/liar

we either gonna look to deep and mess around and sstart giving the Arrow writers CREDIT or admit they have failed their audience.
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And what's wrong with that? The point being variety is good! Oliver grew up differently than The Flash. One grew up a playboy likely not having any problems smashing whatever chick he wanted and the other grew up a nerd!

We don't need the same show with both leads more or less having the same kinds of moral codes in every facet of their lives. If so, then whats the point of having two shows? That's just a continuation of one long show
It's obvious. They are forcing romance angles in typical WB/CW tradition. It's fine and all and it's not the overall problem with the writing drop off.
 
It's obvious. They are forcing romance angles in typical WB/CW tradition. It's fine and all and it's not the overall problem with the writing drop off.

agreed

that is why I rewrote that seen between Mia and her father...

it should have been a BIG scene but feel flat

much like the rest of this season
 
Vixen was cool. Except for the pausing when she was bringing forth an animal. And the hair bothered me of course. Skin tone bothered me. Outfit bothered me. But ...eh.

They also changed her back story to make her less impressive. Like they do with all the black characters in the cw universe.

She is supposed to be a wealthy supermodel from Africa.
 
They also changed her back story to make her less impressive. Like they do with all the black characters in the cw universe.

She is supposed to be a wealthy supermodel from Africa.

not exactly...but it seemed they ret-conned to make it match Ollie's son.

Honestly no one has ever done her REAL justice till McDuffie added her to the Justice league animated stories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vixen_(comics)

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Vixen

In ancient Africa, the warrior Tantu asked Anansi the Spider to create a totem that would give the wearer all of the powers of the animal kingdom, only if they would use the power to protect the innocent. Tantu used the totem to become Africa's first legendary hero. The totem was later passed down to Tantu's descendants until it reached the McCabes.

Growing up in a small African village in the fictional nation of Zambesi, M'Changa province, Mari Jiwe McCabe heard the legend of the "Tantu Totem" from her mother. Sometime later, Mari's mother was killed by poachers and she was raised by her father Reverend Richard Jiwe, the village priest. Reverend Jiwe himself was killed by his half-brother (Mari's uncle) General Maksai. Maksai wanted the Tantu Totem, which Jiwe had possessed.


Vixen debuts in Action Comics #521.
Mari ultimately moved to America, where she established an identity as Mari McCabe and got a job as a model in New York City. She used her newfound wealth to travel the world. On a trip back to Africa, she came across her uncle and took back the Tantu Totem, using its power to become the costumed superhero Vixen.
 
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well I guess we all wrong because actual writers are claiming last episode was BRILLANT :hmm:

http://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/2016/02/26/allison-brennan-lavinia-kent-arrow-taken/



Allison Brennan and Lavinia Kent on 'Arrow' Taken: 'Darhkly' brilliant

USA TODAY and New York Times bestselling thriller writer Allison Brennan and bestselling historical romance author Lavinia Kent return to chat about their favorite television show, Arrow. (SPOILERS AHEAD!)

LK: I’ve been waiting for this episode for a while — even if I didn’t know until last week that this would be it. Oliver’s son is kidnapped. Oliver is forced to tell Felicity the full truth about William. Darhk is defeated, at least for now. And Vixen!! I didn’t know I was waiting for her, but WOW.

There were some sad moments this week, but mostly I found them emotional and fulfilling, rather than disappointing. This was another incredibly strong episode. It answered questions, created new questions — and turned a couple of the old questions in circles. Who’s in that grave and who does Oliver want to kill? My guesses now are completely different than last week.

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Megalyn E.K. as Vixen and Stephen Amell as Oliver/The Green Arrow. (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

AB: There were many great moments in this episode, but I wasn’t as wowed as you were. I mean — I LIKED it, don’t get me wrong. I loved the choreography and the overarching plot, but I’m getting frustrated with the more mystical/metahuman-type focus. Vixen was a great character, and I enjoyed her, but the whole animal totem thing just seemed silly in an Arrow episode. The mysticism was fine when it was Darhk/Constantine/League of Assassins-type magic (ancient,Lazarus Pit, etc.), but now it’s getting over the top. How can well-trained but “normal” people battle magic?

Anyway, aside from my eye-rolling at some of the magic, this was definitely a well-contained story about the search for Oliver’s son. It was gut-wrenching, because we know that Darhk is capable of great evil. I didn’t think he would harm William, but I did think he might make him disappear.

I’m glad Oliver was the one who told Felicity about William, but it really hit home when they were in the Arrow Lair and I realized how many people knew about William … Barry, Thea, Malcolm … As Felicity said, who didn’t know? But Felicity is always a team player and the life of a young boy was at stake, so she stuck with the team, but you could totally see her anger and pain.

LK: The look of suffering on her face when she realized how much Oliver had hidden was intense — and then when she voluntarily talks to Samantha, William’s mom, to set up the search for William. Felicity’s pain was raw and yet she did put it aside to help the team. She was willing to do whatever was necessary to help Oliver find his son.

AB: Vixen tracking William (like a dog, really — smelling something that was his — his Flash action figure, LOL) and the battle against the ghosts and Darhk was really great choreography — and Darhk won that time. It was a lot of fun. And we see how powerful Darhk is once again, keeping both the Arrow and Vixen under his control so he could escape. He’d already moved William, so he had time to play.

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Neal McDonough as Damien Darhk. (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

What I particularly loved was Darhk putting Oliver between a rock and a hard place. Telling him not only to drop out of the race but to endorse Ruve for Mayor? That’s … “Darhkly” brilliant. And that, after the first attempt to rescue William failed, Oliver DID drop out … It was a bit surprising and opens up many great potential subplots for the rest of the season.

LK: I admit that last week I wasn’t convinced that Darhk didn’t realize that Oliver was the Arrow. I couldn’t believe it and thought Darhk was just holding back. This week when it became clear, I was flabbergasted. Really? And even by the end of the episode he doesn’t have a clue? This is one of the few things I just don’t believe and don’t think makes sense. It’s just not that hard to guess — and Merlyn talks about William, but not about the dual identity? Doesn’t seem right.

AB: Actually, I think at the very end of this episode, Darhk DID figure out that Oliver and the Green Arrow are one and the same. It was a slight shift in expression when William came to the door during the big climax scene. And Malcolm does things for different reasons, so keeping the identity of The Green Arrow, I buy that.

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Lavinia Kent

LK: Back to the main plot of the episode — at first, I wasn’t sure that I liked the writers bringing in Vixen. It seemed quite out of the blue and you are definitely right, Allison, it’s a type of magic that doesn’t feel quite right in Star City. I felt a little bit that way in the Constantine episode, but they did such a great job weaving him into the flashbacks (and I loved him already from his series) that I thought it really worked. (I love that Constantine is in hell, really in hell. LOL.) I was even less sure about the writers suddenly adding Vixen. It seemed like a too-easy solution. But easy it wasn’t. That’s what persuaded me in the end, Vixen, and her magic, was definitely a help, but it still took the whole team to find a solution. (And yes, I’ll always be happy with the addition of another kickass female hero.)

AB: Yes, I enjoyed her as a character, but not in Arrow. It just didn’t work well for me, though they needed someone to explain how the totems work. I guess that fit in with the whole plot, but again, too much magic, not enough human ingenuity. (And I loved the references to Constantine … His episode worked because it blended perfectly with the flashbacks and he himself is such a strong character and so much fun.)

LK: I enjoyed the scenes of Vixen and Oliver fighting Darhk. He could control them both, but it was a struggle. And what a great fight it was. Darhk was so convincing as he fought, still keeping his humor, but clearly having more trouble than he ever had before — and then he made his escape.

When they get back to the Arrow Cave, Vixen asks if Darhk could have a totem, as she does. Lance remembers the idol, and after some quick research, the team finds a new way to figure out where Darhk is. (One of my favorite quotes of the episode happened when Vixen said the idol needed to have a constant connection to one of the earth’s lay lines. Felicity’s “I’d never thought I’d say this, but huh?” was perfect.) And the team is off again … Ready for the big takedown and rescue.

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Allison Brennan (Photo: Brittan Dodd)

AB: What I loved about the climax — which was really the strongest and probably my favorite part of the episode — was that it was fun. I loved Thea on the bike with Laurel and shooting an arrow almost upside down. I loved how everyone was involved and Vixen grabbed the idol and ran with it. (Well, that happened, said Darhk. Love him!) The realization that he still had power even when the idol was removed from his presence felt natural, and destroying it was really the only option. Darhk losing his power fit so perfectly, and William watching the Arrow defeat his captor? Fabulous.

LK: Did you see it coming or think it was weeks away?

AB: I saw this coming … in a way. I did think there would be a victory, because at the grave Oliver said, “I should have killed him when I had the chance.” That told me that Oliver had an opportunity to kill Darhk … And this was the only time, when he lost his power. A wounded animal is far more dangerous, right? And remember what I said last week? That Ruve Adams, Darhk’s wife, is really the ruthless one with equal power? Maybe not magical power, but she is definitely not to be underestimated. Darhk is going to be in prison … Or is he? William said a man without a hand kidnapped him (Merlyn), and there’s no proof that Darhk was involved, that he had Oliver and Felicity attacked over Christmas, or anything, really. Either he’ll get out because he has a good lawyer, or he’ll break out of prison. Or Ruve will prove to be even more deadly.

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Katie Cassidy as Laurel Lance, Anna Hopkins as Samantha and Emily Bett Rickards as Felicity. (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

LK: I admit I was shocked. I didn’t see it coming this early in the season (we still have about 10 episodes to go). If last week surprised me, this left me speechless. I knew Darhk would be defeated in the end, but I thought it would be in one of the last episodes of the season. I confess I was also a little disappointed — not at how he was defeated, I thought that was handled well — but because I love Darhk and want more. LOL. It’s quite something when you don’t want the villain to go. And I am not sure he will stay gone. I definitely wouldn’t count him out.

AB: I’m positive he’s not gone. Not only will he be back, but he’ll be FAR more dangerous. Up until now he’s almost been playing games. Toying with Oliver, toying with Team Arrow, messing around with the town, but nothing that couldn’t be fixed. Now? No mercy. (Hence, someone dies.)

LK: Of course, HIVE and Genesis aren’t gone and even without Darhk there is still much to come. And what about Merlyn? Is he now working fully with HIVE? We saw him with them last week, and clearly he has some idea what their plan is. In many ways, Genesis may not be so different from Merlyn’s plans for the city in the first season.

AB: I was thinking something similar … Is Merlyn working with HIVE, or is he going to thwart them from the inside? He keeps talking about the “big picture” — to Oliver last week, to Thea this week, that makes me think HE knows something big is in play, and HIVE/Darhk/Genesis is only one part of it.

I’m glad that Thea stood up to Merlyn and flat out asked him if he told Darhk William was Oliver’s son. Merlyn said, “I am not going to answer that question” and then, in typical Merlyn fashion, goes on to rant and take the moral (immoral?) high ground and say, “I would rather have a daughter who hates me and is alive than a daughter who loves me and is dead.”

What do we do to protect our children? Merlyn clearly thinks that he made Thea better and stronger by training her and setting her down this path … Even though he brought death, anger and violence into her life and forced her to kill a friend (Sarah). Merlyn can justify anything he does. Fatherhood was definitely a big subtheme in this episode. The clips of Diggle and baby Sara, Lance and Laurel, Vixen talking about her parents.

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Anna Hopkins as Samantha, Katie Cassidy as Laurel/Black Canary and Willa Holland as Thea/Speedy (background). (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

Oh — as an aside — Laurel ticked me off this episode. She goes to her dad and says, “Oliver was with Samantha when he was with me.” Oh, really, 10 years ago. Everything is always about her. Grow up, Laurel.

The video that Oliver recorded for Samantha to give to William when he turned 18 … and sending William away … was heart-wrenching. This whole subplot was heart-wrenching. There were several things we learned that we didn’t really know after we learned about William, namely that Oliver gave up his rights to see his son because he didn’t want to keep the information from Felicity. I didn’t realize that until Oliver told Felicity and Diggle that Oliver had stayed away from his son because he didn’t want to keep the secret from Felicity. At least, that’s what I think he did — and then, Samantha made it clear to Felicity and she was the one who gave Oliver the ultimatum. For a while, I was thinking that Felicity would realize what Oliver sacrificed and forgive him by the end of the episode.

But then … Wham!

LK: And that leads us back to Oliver and Felicity. I think we both knew that Felicity finding out about Oliver’s son would test their relationship. (And the fact that she was wearing black for most of the episode didn’t give me much hope.) Felicity values honesty and wants to be part of a couple who lean on each other. She can’t handle that Oliver doesn’t include her in decisions, including sending his son away. This was such a big black moment for Oliver: He is sending away the son for whom he risked everything to be able to see and then he loses Felicity, as well. I felt his pain — but in a way I love. I live for that moment in a book when all is lost — and in many ways this is that moment for Oliver. He may have defeated Darhk, but he’s lost some of the most important pieces of himself.

AB: I think it had to happen, otherwise Felicity wouldn’t be in character. I’m sad, but at the same time, I think Oliver has gotten a little soft. Maybe he needs this jolt to toughen him up a bit more. Find the balance again. What was particularly tough, though, was Felicity walking again and there was no joy in the moment for either of them.

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Stephen Amell as Oliver/The Green Arrow. (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

That all said … I do think they will find their way back to each other. It might take the rest of this season … and maybe even half of season five. My son says no, that Oliver has to be with Laurel, but I just hit him (ha!). I don’t feel the Oliver/Laurel chemistry AT ALL. It’s not there. I would rather Oliver was with no one.

LK: My son hates Laurel and Oliver together, thankfully!

Despite the fact that Felicity isn’t wearing a ring in the limo at the graveyard, I do hold out hope. I think this relationship will come and go over the seasons, never letting the fans be completely comfortable. Also, there have been some “wedding photos” circulating that definitely point to a possible future — although they could also be from a dream or alternate-reality sequence, so I never take things for granted.

I think the only thing we haven’t talked about is the flashbacks. The plot is definitely moving to a big reveal as Oliver and Taiana enter the cave, seeking the “mystical item” that Baron Reiter wants, after Oliver’s tattoos prove him worthy. I am curious, but I can’t help feeling that the last several weeks could all have been combined into one. I do want to know what they are looking for and if it will connect to Genesis and if the tattoos will be used again and … But I don’t feel the need for a snippet a week.

Allison?

AB: I realized after we wrote last week’s article that we didn’t even TALK about the flashbacks, that’s how irrelevant they were. This week? They were almost as irrelevant except for the very end when Oliver’s tattoo lit up and he was given the green light to explore this deep dark cave guarded by a ghost. (Hmm, a ghost? HIVE? Genesis?) Yes, I think this is connected to Genesis in some way, and I am now curious, but I haven’t been invested in the flashbacks post Constantine.

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Paul Blackthorne as Quentin Lance and David Ramsey as Diggle. (Photo: Bettina Strauss, The CW)

LK: I am once again left wondering about the grave and now, also, who Oliver wants to kill. I’ve assumed Oliver was after Darhk, but now I wonder if he could be after Merlyn — and that puts me back to thinking it could be Thea in the grave. All along I’ve resisted thinking it was her, because I thought that was too much after last season. Now, I am not sure. I can see a wonderful way it could come full circle. I am not saying that I want it to be Thea, but for the first time I can see it making sense.

AB: I don’t think it’s Thea because when Felicity was in the car, she was not crying. I know that sounds stupid, but I really think that Felicity would be in shock and red-eyed if it was Thea. Same with Oliver. And Thea has been on the brink of death so many times … It just doesn’t feel right to me. They were both upset, but angry more than anything else. A hard anger. And I don’t think that Darhk is out of the picture. However … it could be Merlyn that Oliver said he should have killed when he had the chance. Definitely could be Merlyn, not Darhk … Because Oliver had a chance to kill each of them and let them live.

I’m still putting my money on Lance, but another person I just considered is Lila, Diggle’s wife. She’s a popular character, but not a regular. (Maybe I just love her? LOL.)

You know, as I finish writing this, I realize that while I had some issues with the episode, it was really a great one.

LK: We have a few weeks until we get a new episode, but of course, I CAN’T WAIT.

AB: I hate waiting!

Allison Brennan is a USA TODAY and New York Times bestselling author of romantic suspense and mysteries. Her latest release is No Good Deed, a Lucy Kincaid/Sean Rogan thriller. You can reach her at allisonbrennan.com.

Lavinia Kent is the bestselling author of erotic Regency romance. Her newest release is the novella Sarah Surrenders. You can reach her at LaviniaKent.com.
 
This last episode was a filler episode usually done before the big reveal towards the season finale...As someone said you cannot have Oliver beat and be the head of LOA and the fucking Cupid is hanging with him in a fight, the producers just need Cupid to be elusive but not badass hand to hand combat person. That took me out of the episode. Otherwise still a fan.
 
'The Flash' Is So Much Better Than 'Arrow' It's Not Even Funny Anymore



You know what breaks my heart? The fact that Arrow has descended even further into soap opera nonsense, to the point where it’s become difficult to feel anything more than apathy for the season’s villain or plot. Who cares about HIVE? About Diggle’s brother? Who cares about the Green Arrow for that matter? All that really matters anymore is what’s going to happen with Oliver and Felicity and the messy tatters of their relationship.

Arrow has always been a bit of a soap opera, but in the first two season it was also a show about a super hero and his team. As the team grew, the relationship drama grew along with it, finally becoming the monstrosity it is today. I had hoped Oliver’s bid for mayor would breathe new life into his character, and that some shaking up of the cast would make Team Arrow both slimmer and more interesting. These things could both still happen, but the show sure is taking its sweet time getting us there. Instead, Oliver continues to make the same mistakes he always has. It’s just that Arrow focuses more and more on the relationship drama, and less and less on creating an interesting story.


I suppose in some ways it’s a step up from the days of Quentin Lance being really, really, really annoying, but only just. Season 3 isn’t a very high bar to cross in terms of quality, but even if Season 4 has edged above it, the show still fails to live up to its first two seasons.

Wednesday night’s episode was largely about Felicity and Oliver being awkward around one another. Oliver making promises Felicity knows he won’t (and maybe can’t) keep; Felicity being really unpleasant to Oliver in front of the Team. All very awkward viewing.

A while back I said Olicity was ruining Arrow. I’m not sure if the writers are truly ending that relationship, or if they’re just dragging it through the mud for a while to keep the Olicity shippers on the edge of their seat, but guess what? Olicity is still ruining Arrow, maybe now more than ever.

For one thing, Felicity isn’t likable in any of these roles. She’s not much fun as the sobby love interest we suffered in Season 3. Then, just as she was getting back to her normal, funny self in Season 4, she was shot and paralyzed—which would have been fine, a very real, human struggle for her character—except that voila! a miraculous cure is shoe-horned in. And at the same exact time it starts working, she leaves Oliver.

(Note: The “cure for paralysis” thing is probably the most heroic single moment in the span of this show but it’s just brushed over entirely. Nobody bothers to mention that A) this could make Palmer Tech a bajillion dollars or that B) it’s a revolutionary thing that will benefit the lives of thousands of people. Nope, only Felicity gets it. Too strange.)


At this point, Felicity just comes off as…kind of stupid honestly. I hate to say that, because at one point Felicity was one of my very favorite characters on the show. But now she’s pretty much intolerable.

Felicity fell in love with Oliver knowing full well his tendency to keep secrets. She went in eyes wide open, a good head on her shoulders, and even left the perfect relationship with Ray Palmer to be with Oliver, warts and all. She had the perfect guy, who would be loyal and honest completely, and she left him for the deeply flawed Oliver.

At the time, I was pretty sure that Felicity the character wouldn’t really leave Palmer to be with Queen. The two were really good together. They had chemistry, similar brains, the works. I’m pretty sure Felicity was stripped of much of what made her character true in order to force her to be with Oliver to please Olicity shippers. But there’s basically no chemistry between Oliver and Felicity. There was between Oliver and Sara Lance, but not here. Or with Laurel.

Anyways, Felicity leaves Ray even though it’s really hard for her, and goes to be with Oliver who she knows has lied through his teeth to just about everybody under the sun including her.

Unless she’s very naive—and she’s a brilliant hacker and CEO of a major tech company, plus a super hero so I’m guessing she’s not that naive—but unless she is that naive, she can’t possibly think that she can or should change someone just because she’s with him now…can she? Because that’s really not how it works.

If you love someone and want to be with them, part of the deal is you don’t get to change them. That’s a very twisted version of love. You can’t change people, and you shouldn’t want to.

But now it’s some huge surprise when Oliver keeps a secret from her? Now she realizes she can’t be with famed liar and keeper of secrets Oliver Queen because he kept probably the second most-sensible secret possible from her? (The first being his secret identity which he should have kept secret much better from the get-go.)

Oliver was backed into a corner with an impossible choice that most people would hear about and greet with quite a lot of empathy, but Felicity who knows he’s a liar and leads a very difficult, dangerous life and who loves him anyways decides to end things.

Are you kidding me, Felicity?

Then again, maybe I shouldn’t blame Felicity for this one. Maybe I should blame whoever came up with this obtuse, convoluted plot. Because it’s ruining Arrow, a show that has the potential to be so much better—and even keep some of the sappy romantic drama around. Right now both The Flashand Legends of Tomorrow are a lot more fun to watch than this. They’re goofier shows in many ways, but The Flash even does the serious stuff better.

The Flash in particular is so much better than Arrow that the two shows are hardly even in the same ballpark anymore. Just this week, we had some serious revelations about Zoom’s true identity—though Team Flash is still a bit off the mark there—which came after several awesome twists and turns over the past few episodes. The balance between character drama and the main story is much better in The Flash, though it’s not without its problems in that department. Basically, whenever Barry take’s Joe’s advice and starts acting like Oliver, lying to everyone and sundry, the show starts to drag. It starts to feel more like Arrow, and not in a good way. It’s always about “protecting” somebody, and they always end up getting hurt. Rinse, wash, repeat. The Flash just does it less.

Look at the last episode of The Flash, though. In ‘Trajectory” there’s a ‘meta-human of the week’ sub-plot about a female Speedster who, it turns out, was using Velocity 9 to gain super speeds. This sub-plot ends up tying directly into the overarching season’s plot when Trajectory turns blue and then disintegrates.The blue light reminds Barry of Zoom, whose own speed gives off a blue aura. The addictive nature of the drug and its deleterious effects, remind Team Flash of Jay.

Through these clues and Cisco’s vibing, the team discovers that Zoom is actually the man they believe to be Jay Garrick. (He’s not, but they’ll realize that soon enough I imagine.) It’s some great storytelling, which is what we’ve come to expect from The Flash.

Frankly, I don’t know what the future holds for Arrow. It can’t keep this up, though. They need fresh ideas in the writer’s room, and they need to stop bowing to the whims and desires of a niche group of fans who care way more about Oliver and Felicity soap opera drama than about making a great comic book TV show adaptation. That’s what The Flash and Legends of Tomorrowdo so well. They capture what it means to be a comic book—the action, the drama, the suspense, and the humor. Arrow just doesn’t feel all that comic book these days, but it should. It should be the somewhat darker, grittier counterpart to its two younger siblings.

Oliver should never have dated his band-mates, because now things are just awkward. Now other than Thea, the entire female wing of Team Arrow is Oliver’s ex-lovers. That’s a barrel of fun if ever there was one. He shouldn’t have gone Batman-lite either. The Arrow was a better vigilante as a killer, and the show should have taken its time confronting that and changing it. “You have failed this city” followed by an arrow to the chest was pretty cool. “Don’t leave me Felicity,” followed by teary eyes? Not so much.

I’m honestly not even sure what to suggest at this point. Arrow needs a lot of work. It doesn’t just need to pare back the relationship drama, it needs to figure out what kind of show it wants to be. That includes coming up with villains that want to do more than simply destroy Star City. It means creating dramatic tension that stems from something other than people lying to one another or holding long grudges. What does Arrow want to be?

I want it to be a superhero vigilante show. I don’t mind if it’s also about people and their lives and loves and regrets and all the rest. But it’s lost sight of itself in the process.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...rrow-its-not-even-funny-anymore/#5b2d843c1dc3
 
What the author said about Felicity was true...How the hell are you going to be mad at Oliver for keeping a secret,when he's been keeping secrets,before and after yall met.....shit makes no fucking sense at all


And,then have the audacity,to act like you have some fucking say about the well-being of "Oliver's" son is fucking stupid

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This last episode was a filler episode usually done before the big reveal towards the season finale...As someone said you cannot have Oliver beat and be the head of LOA and the fucking Cupid is hanging with him in a fight, the producers just need Cupid to be elusive but not badass hand to hand combat person. That took me out of the episode. Otherwise still a fan.


Theyve nerfed oliver all season cause apparently they need to have fight scenes with green arrow and three nobodies every episode which oliver used to do by himself. Hell he got held hostage by a reg cop in one ep like he didnt beat deathstroke or ras al ghul.
 
Theyve nerfed oliver all season cause apparently they need to have fight scenes with green arrow and three nobodies every episode which oliver used to do by himself. Hell he got held hostage by a reg cop in one ep like he didnt beat deathstroke or ras al ghul.


Oliver went from Punisher-lite in S1 to Green Arrow in S2 to Batman-lite in S3 to Young and the Restless in S4.

As,much I think the show sucks,I blame DC,because when they announced their movie universe,they basically told CW what characters they couldn't use.


Many people,including myself thought they would of done a "Suicide Squad" spinoff,because the episodes they were in was well received.Now they can't even do it now,because of the movie. Hell,they basically killed off the members,if I can remember correctly,outside of Cupid.

I don't even think they mentioned what's going on with Slade Wilson on the show.I know they did mention him on "Legends of Tomorrow" and that's about it

Talk about fucking up a great opportunity for the show.


Also,I would like to see more Huntress episodes.they did one episode with her last year and haven't done one yet this year...I actually like the character,but I wish they do more episodes about her.
 
I don't even think they mentioned what's going on with Slade Wilson on the show.I know they did mention him on "Legends of Tomorrow" and that's about it

Talk about fucking up a great opportunity for the show.


Also,I would like to see more Huntress episodes.they did one episode with her last year and haven't done one yet this year...I actually like the character,but I wish they do more episodes about her.

Marc guggenheim said dc had plans for slade wilson so he was off the table. Also they had wanted to do another ep for the huntress but the actress wasnt available during that time frame.

Also that last ep with cupid killing wedding couples so oliver and felicity had to pretend to get married was some contrived ridiculous bullshit. This seem like some shit that would be on days of our lives.
 
As,much I think the show sucks,I blame DC,because when they announced their movie universe,they basically told CW what characters they couldn't use.


Many people,including myself thought they would of done a "Suicide Squad" spinoff,because the episodes they were in was well received.Now they can't even do it now,because of the movie. Hell,they basically killed off the members,if I can remember correctly,outside of Cupid.

I don't even think they mentioned what's going on with Slade Wilson on the show.I know they did mention him on "Legends of Tomorrow" and that's about it

Talk about fucking up a great opportunity for the show.


Also,I would like to see more Huntress episodes.they did one episode with her last year and haven't done one yet this year...I actually like the character,but I wish they do more episodes about her.

As I said before I blame Warner Bros more than DC but not excusing the horrible job the writers have done.

DC actually created and reinvented new characters for the comics in Diggle and Felicity. They finally gave him a better arch enemy than Merlin in Deathstroke.

Then WB killed the whole premise of Arrow because of the Suicide Squad movie and the possibility of Deathstroke being a Batman villain. They then made the Arrow the introductory shown for all its spin-offs characters which took away from their own storylines. And they then gave into fan pressure with Felicity but oddly not with Laurel.

Now with success of the Flash and the concept of the Multiverse. We can have 2 Flashes but 2 Suicide Squads might be two confusing, really.
 
Marc guggenheim said dc had plans for slade wilson so he was off the table. Also they had wanted to do another ep for the huntress but the actress wasnt available during that time frame.

Also that last ep with cupid killing wedding couples so oliver and felicity had to pretend to get married was some contrived ridiculous bullshit. This seem like some shit that would be on days of our lives.


Hopefully,the actor that plays the Huntress can return next season,because she's one of the few good things about the show.

As,for Slade Wilson,they could of played with the concept about the multiverse in the movies..like they're doing with Marvel

Even though,the MCU get its source material from the comics,its still a separate universe than the comics.


As I said before I blame Warner Bros more than DC but not excusing the horrible job the writers have done.

DC actually created and reinvented new characters for the comics in Diggle and Felicity. They finally gave him a better arch enemy than Merlin in Deathstroke.

Then WB killed the whole premise of Arrow because of the Suicide Squad movie and the possibility of Deathstroke being a Batman villain. They then made the Arrow the introductory shown for all its spin-offs characters which took away from their own storylines. And they then gave into fan pressure with Felicity but oddly not with Laurel.

Now with success of the Flash and the concept of the Multiverse. We can have 2 Flashes but 2 Suicide Squads might be two confusing, really.

They should of had Felicity be with Ray Palmer,because it made more sense.


You're right about the whole multiverse concept,especially when Barry just came from Earth 2,a few episodes ago

I would like to believe most people wouldn't get confused between the TV shows with the movies :dunno:

They wasted an good opportunity with Ra's Al Ghul and Damian Darhk,if you ask me
 
Marc guggenheim said dc had plans for slade wilson so he was off the table. Also they had wanted to do another ep for the huntress but the actress wasnt available during that time frame.

Also that last ep with cupid killing wedding couples so oliver and felicity had to pretend to get married was some contrived ridiculous bullshit. This seem like some shit that would be on days of our lives.

seemed like they had ALREADY paid for the dress and sets and HAD to use them.
 
What the author said about Felicity was true...How the hell are you going to be mad at Oliver for keeping a secret,when he's been keeping secrets,before and after yall met.....shit makes no fucking sense at all


And,then have the audacity,to act like you have some fucking say about the well-being of "Oliver's" son is fucking stupid

:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

and remember when they ran away together?

she LIED for MONTHS about NOT helping the crew back in Star City...

but THAT was OK.
 
and remember when they ran away together?

she LIED for MONTHS about NOT helping the crew back in Star City...

but THAT was OK.

This is a good point about that. I just hate what they are doing with this show. I'm cool with everyone being part of the group dynamic, but now I kind of wish the others had their own side stories again.
 
Did a little research and found that Wendy Mericle, Executive Producer since season 3 was a former writer of Desperate Housewives. :smh:

"The stories that I like to break are the ones that have very strong emotional underpinnings. One of the things that I wanted to do when I came on the show in an Executive Producer capacity was to make sure that the emotional storylines were really there, and I wanted to bring them to the fore and to explore the relationships in equal parts to the action."

—Mericle on her writing method forArrow. :smh:
 
Did a little research and found that Wendy Mericle, Executive Producer since season 3 was a former writer of Desperate Housewives. :smh:

"The stories that I like to break are the ones that have very strong emotional underpinnings. One of the things that I wanted to do when I came on the show in an Executive Producer capacity was to make sure that the emotional storylines were really there, and I wanted to bring them to the fore and to explore the relationships in equal parts to the action."

—Mericle on her writing method forArrow. :smh:

EXCELLENT Work D'Evils

there is your answer.

I don't mind a show being a soap opera

Flash is a soap opera

hell SOA was a soap opera

I just don't like BAD soap operas.
 
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