I'm just not understanding...why can't Cris Carter get in da HOF?!?!?
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Some of these guy are showing their age. The Vikings always were good in the mid 90s with Carter, Reed and Robert Smith. On Offense they were among the best Ive ever seen.
Yep. It was always their defense that sucked ass.
Carter will get in. There are simply too many politics that go on during the voting process. These guys do everything from trying to be balanced with offense/defense, managing the skill position players, giving sympathetic votes, to doing make up calls. Look at Russ Grimm for example, he's what, 20years past his prime and he just got in. One of THE best guards to ever play. And like someone else said, the Hall is getting too crowded. Its gonna be harder and harder for people to get in simply because they had good numbers. I think making Carter wait is their way of setting the table for that.
Like I said man Irvin was the start of the WR that "beat up" the DB. Again you basing it on stats. Shit for that matter If Im not mistaken Joe Montana isnt top 5 in anything....yet he's widely considered the best ever. That doesnt mean shit. How do you think Alvin harper was able to get single coverage? Why do you think the middle was open for Novacek? Because 88 was being double teamed.
Are you serious? I GUARANTEE Moss gets in first ballot..which will be BEFORE Carter..He's already on what his 3rd try?
There are only 5 inductees at a time. They're not gonna double or triple-up on receivers. It's just a numbers game. They try to spread it around (and 80% of the 44-man vote for each receiver is tough to get). He, Brown, Reed and others upcoming are just gonna have to bide their time until the Hall has caught up with its backlog.
And what exactly did "Carters" Vikings do at all in that time? Nothing. Thats the point. Im not saying Carter wasnt good. But being hall of fame to me is ANOTHER level. A level that needs to stop being "given" away because of big stats.
you dead ass right. But cats cant deny that after Irvins success teams started drafting the "big" WR.
Yea, the "stats as the only qualifier" group are gonna have a harder time to get in. Times have changed, this era is different, and i think the voters are gonna have to look at more than just raw numbers (particularly for skill position guys). Especially with the number of wideouts with crazy numbers coming up within the next 5-6years (carter, brown, harrison, to, bruce, holt...). Everyone simply cannot make it and some damn good players are gonna be left out.
Exactly. Aikman isnt top 15 in shit except completion pct....but I guess he shouldnt have got in either huh?
Exactly. Because ridiculous stats are easier to come by. Like Aint no way Bettis and martin should get in. Cats had lots of production and were consistent but All time Greats? Hell Nah.
Fuck Cris Carter. Andre Reed should have been in. How can you leave 1/3 of most dominant offensive trio in the NFL at that time out of the HOF?
By comparison Joe Montana has average stats compared to all his "all time great" QB peers.. You arent making since. Stats alone do not make you a Hall of Famer. YOu wanna know why Lynn Swann who is barely in the top 30 in anything nowadays is in along with alot of Steelers with Average stats? WINNING. Bottom line is being a GREAT is NOT about racking up stats..
Its about racking up stats that MEAN something. Stats that contribute to team success consistently. For all his stats Carters stats were racked up in the dark. Honestly thats why I think Reed should get in before Carter.
Reed made the Final 10 (along with Sharpe). Didn't make the last cut. EVERYONE in the Final 15 deserves to be in the Hall, but they have to keep the ultimate inductee list down to 5 modern players and two vets. That's all there is to it. Someone's always gonna get left out, until the timing is right (and the level of that year's competition allows their inclusion).
what he said
Irvin:
750 catches
11,904 yds
65 tds
Carter:
1,101 catches
13,899 yds
130 tds
Gary Clark:
699 catches
10,856 yds
65 tds
Facts are facts, my man!
Who career is Irving closer to, Clark who doesn't have a prayer of getting in or Carter who is the 2nd greatest wr ever?
The Difference between Ed and Mike are.....Mike actually started and put in work for his rings, dont insult that man with that bullshit comparison.
I had to fix that for you, you left out some things.
Irvin got a pass because of him winning those rings, and because everyone says he was the leader of the triplets.
Stats wise though
how many years did Irvin play compared to those guys???
and what kind of offense did Irvin play in compared to those guys???
u niggas stay losing
Its not WHAT you do, its WHERE and WHEN you do it.
Irvin was a dominant receiver on a winning team. He only played 12 seasons, so he wasn't gonna accumulate 1,000 receptions. But he did string together 8 straight consistently excellent years. Something Art Monk never did.
He still didn't exactly get a free ride into the Hall. He had to wait.
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