Sottie Pippen's take on the current Chicago Bulls players

[DiamondDeuce]

They'd never reject Jordan's opinion like that.

Fuck Pippen.

Trust me I am a Jordan fan......... but when Jordan got to "choose" his own players and run the team.......look at the mess he created in Washington.

Drafting Kwame Brown with the #1 overall pick.......and let Rip Hamilton go

 

[xfactor]

How is it a problem because they came out early? Can't it just be that sometimes particular players, no matter if they came out early or left after four years in college, just won't put it together?

You're right about that. Because some players out of high school have been in the league for a decade and still don't understand how to play the game.

 

[xfactor]

He keeps mentioning contracts as if he never bitched or worried about his contract when he played. Hinrich has been guarding bigger players because he's a better defender than Ben Gordon or Chris Duhon. He's also 6-3 so he's tall for a PG. The Bulls have been successsful playing small ball in previous seasons and if they think it's that much of a problem they could start Sefolosha or Deng at the 2.
Thomas didn't play organized ball until his junior year of high school so he still has alot to learn. And other than Thomas and Deng the rest of the Bulls team played at least 3 years of college ball and the likes of Nocioni and Sefolosha have international experience.

Hinrich has to guard the opposing SGs because he's 6-4 whereas CD and Gordon are both 6-1. Hinrich is a very good defender and is a decent athlete. Smart, solid player but he is a streaky shooter at best.

Ben Gordon should not be a starter and is much more effective in his role as proving instant offense off the bench.

The Bulls have a good team but no legit star players and their talent level and personnel isn't good enough as other teams in similar situations like a Portland or New Orleans.

 

[AgentCreed]

noci plays like a bitch and he is a cheap shot artist he provokes ppl to respond then makes a scene so the refs see it now the refs r ignoring him and the bulls. Stern said b4 the season as did other nba folks they want to remove that aspect from the game stop rewarding the actors and floppers. Noc is both an actor and a flopper he isn't a superstar yet he acts like he deserves superstar calls. then he elbows opponents under the rim and as they come up court I've seen him elbow someones neck then when the guy responded noc acted like a bitch and got the call.
i can see why pippen doesn't like him he plays like a bitch. he's not a defensive stopper or an offensive weapon he's a bitch. he's that dude on cav's dont do nuthin but flop and bitch in the old nba they wouldn't have jobs.
the new nba is bitchmade.
BG needs to heed pippen's words he was on point but BG's response shows he is playing just for a paycheck and nothing else. he doesn't love the game or want to be a team player he didn't get his extension and now this season he's playing like shit and he won't get the money he wanted for sure from anyone.
Tyrus is booty too he just wants free money...
i mean damn the bulls were supposed to the next eastern team in the finals yet they let the freaking CAVS go b4 them? they hit their ceiling.

 

[xfactor]

noci plays like a bitch and he is a cheap shot artist he provokes ppl to respond then makes a scene so the refs see it now the refs r ignoring him and the bulls. Stern said b4 the season as did other nba folks they want to remove that aspect from the game stop rewarding the actors and floppers. Noc is both an actor and a flopper he isn't a superstar yet he acts like he deserves superstar calls. then he elbows opponents under the rim and as they come up court I've seen him elbow someones neck then when the guy responded noc acted like a bitch and got the call.

Ginobili, Oberto, Herrmann... The flopping and flailing, going to the basket out of control and flopping like a fish on D must be taught in Argentinian training camps year in and year out

 

[Diamels]

If there's two, three guys running at him, he still wants to make a shot. Those shots are out of position, your teammates don't expect them, you are not in position to rebound and get back. Taking bad shots is a sign of a lack of respect for your teammates. You think I'm going to run back if I know B.J. Armstrong is jacking it up? My shot is just as good as his. That's what players think."

I wonder if you could apply this to any other player in the league?

 

[AgentCreed]

Ginobili, Oberto, Herrmann... The flopping and flailing, going to the basket out of control and flopping like a fish on D must be taught in Argentinian training camps year in and year out

yup sadly only manu actually has talent the rest just flop and bitch for the check manu actually plays ok when u take away he's a flopper too...

 

[xfactor]

I wonder if you could apply this to any other player in the league?

I could think of one that comes to mind.

 

[dh86]

your point is on-point, but tyrus thomas is TOOOO raw...his game needed molding..hes the guy who jumps high, dunks, blocks shots..thats it...its hard to teach somebody to get better when they makin millions...another year he would of had more post moves..stayin for a junior year he would of been better at those moves...some people have it EARLY, others need to be taught...he seen money and darted...he prolly would of had a better impact earlier for the league if he stayed...its not working so far..hopefully he gets better later in his career...

Again, like someone else in this thread stated, thats up to John Paxson to determine that in the draft. It seems like the bullshit 1 year college rule was created to protect the GMs from themselves. If they did their jobs right, the high school thing would not be an issue. What could two more years in college with John Brady's staff do that Scott Skiles staff couldnt do in the same two years? Lamarcus Aldridge spent the same two years at Texas, and was much more of an NBA ready player. Many of us saw that, I guess Paxson didnt.

 

[Hoodsavior]

Again, like someone else in this thread stated, thats up to John Paxson to determine that in the draft. It seems like the bullshit 1 year college rule was created to protect the GMs from themselves. If they did their jobs right, the high school thing would not be an issue. What could two more years in college with John Brady's staff do that Scott Skiles staff couldnt do in the same two years? Lamarcus Aldridge spent the same two years at Texas, and was much more of an NBA ready player. Many of us saw that, I guess Paxson didnt.

thats true, but he was a lottery dude...somebody would of picked him up..i knew aldridge was ready..he had more to offer than just jumpin high in the air...it was up to thomas to stay and improve...but these dudes are strippers..they see money and star dancing...and these teams know who the quality players are, but they go with hype early, and HOPE the true talent is still there in the late rounds...

 

[c_commander]

noci plays like a bitch and he is a cheap shot artist he provokes ppl to respond then makes a scene so the refs see it now the refs r ignoring him and the bulls. then he elbows opponents under the rim and as they come up court I've seen him elbow someones neck then when the guy responded noc acted like a bitch and got the call.
i can see why pippen doesn't like him he plays like a bitch. he's not a defensive stopper or an offensive weapon he's a bitch. he's that dude on cav's dont do nuthin but flop and bitch in the old nba they wouldn't have jobs.
the new nba is bitchmade.

1.Nocioni is one of the Bulls that is a tradeable commodity. In other words, teams other than the Bulls would like him on their squad.
2. He's averaging double-digits in scoring not only this season but for his career. So opponents have to respect his game offensively.
3. The elbowing and complaining wouldn't cut it in the old NBA.Bill Laimbeer earned a paycheck for years doing the shit. The Pistons beat the Bulls for years initiating contact and then waiting for the Bulls to respond. Rodman did his entire career as a matter of fact. You don't believe me. Go back and look at the Finals between the Bulls and Jazz.

 

[xfactor]

Again, like someone else in this thread stated, thats up to John Paxson to determine that in the draft. It seems like the bullshit 1 year college rule was created to protect the GMs from themselves. If they did their jobs right, the high school thing would not be an issue. What could two more years in college with John Brady's staff do that Scott Skiles staff couldnt do in the same two years? Lamarcus Aldridge spent the same two years at Texas, and was much more of an NBA ready player. Many of us saw that, I guess Paxson didnt.

GTFOH... It's hard to determine how ANY player will pan out straight from high school to college in some cases, let alone the NBA.

If that was the case, then you'd be seeing every McDonald's high school all-american make the jump to the NBA after college and other high school talents that barely made it to the Division 1 level would never have set foot in the NBA.

It's not easy to gauge how a player's game will translate to the NBA from high school against inferior competition and that is why the 1 year rule instituted by Commissioner Stern is an excellent rule.

 

[Complex]

So how would Scottie analyze himself sitting out, because the final play wasn't called for him?

Lack or respect for teammates?

or

Acting like a bitch?

 

[AgentCreed]

laimbeer actually played defense as did rodman. noc just flops and instigates and acts...the way the nba is now i am sure teams would want him b/c its a pro-flopping pro-acting league.
noc is still a bitch tho if he was in the nba of old he woulda been chin checked by now and forced to play real basketball instead of the bitchmade style he plays now...

 

[R. McNeil]

Let's just be real. No one is really being taught how to RUN a team. Big men with good back-to-the-basket skills are a rarity. Everyone wants to shoot the three and dunk. That's american basketball on the high school level. Little to no fundamentals are being taught there, where job security isn't a big issue. To expect college coaches to teach when they're one or two bad seasons or recruiting classes from being out the door isn't totally reasonable. When you hit the NBA, you should already have the basics down pat. You shouldn't be teaching anything other than your offensive and defensive gameplans by then. Everyone wants to make the Kobe-KG-TMac deal about high schoolers. To that, I give you Gerald Green, Korleone Young, and Sebastian Telfair. Green's playing D-League, Young's back at home, and Telfair is on the verge of being kicked out. All were hyped in HS, all have done nothing to justify earning a paycheck. Personally, the NBA should just give complete backing to the D-League and make it the official minor leagues, with 1 DL team for every NBA team. If you're gonna draft them that young, then at least keep them playing and learning, instead of glued to the bench, stagnating their growth.

 

[jemstar]

noci plays like a bitch and he is a cheap shot artist he provokes ppl to respond then makes a scene so the refs see it now the refs r ignoring him and the bulls. Stern said b4 the season as did other nba folks they want to remove that aspect from the game stop rewarding the actors and floppers. Noc is both an actor and a flopper he isn't a superstar yet he acts like he deserves superstar calls. then he elbows opponents under the rim and as they come up court I've seen him elbow someones neck then when the guy responded noc acted like a bitch and got the call.
i can see why pippen doesn't like him he plays like a bitch. he's not a defensive stopper or an offensive weapon he's a bitch. he's that dude on cav's dont do nuthin but flop and bitch in the old nba they wouldn't have jobs.
the new nba is bitchmade.
BG needs to heed pippen's words he was on point but BG's response shows he is playing just for a paycheck and nothing else. he doesn't love the game or want to be a team player he didn't get his extension and now this season he's playing like shit and he won't get the money he wanted for sure from anyone.
Tyrus is booty too he just wants free money...
i mean damn the bulls were supposed to the next eastern team in the finals yet they let the freaking CAVS go b4 them? they hit their ceiling.

And how did you come to this conclusion? What is BG supposed to say, "yup, Scottie you're right, I don't give a fuck about this team or anybody else and I'm just playing for mines." Scottie Pippen is no longer a part of the Bulls organization in any capacity, and with the comments he just made he probably won't be in the future. BG doesn't have to put any worth to Scottie's comments because Scottie isn't in any position to have an impact on this Bulls team. He said he respected him, that's it, he doesn't give a shit about his comments and he doesn't have to. lmao @ BG not loving the game, if BG didn't love the game he wouldn't put as much effort as he does in working out over the summer on his game and body, and continuing to work out during the season. Before the season started Scott Skiles said BG put in the most work of any player prior to the season starting. It hasn't reflected in his play so far(although he's lighting shit up now), but you can't deny the effort. Even dating back to college Jim Calhoun said Ben was one of his hardest workers ever.

 

[dh86]

GTFOH... It's hard to determine how ANY player will pan out straight from high school to college in some cases, let alone the NBA.

If that was the case, then you'd be seeing every McDonald's high school all-american make the jump to the NBA after college and other high school talents that barely made it to the Division 1 level would never have set foot in the NBA.

It's not easy to gauge how a player's game will translate to the NBA from high school against inferior competition and that is why the 1 year rule instituted by Commissioner Stern is an excellent rule.

Why stop at 1 year then? Why wont we just force players to play all four years in college before being eligible to be drafted? The margin of error you mention on the high school level, it is the same shit on the college level. Didnt we just see Adam Marrison and JJ Reddick be dominant scorers for years on the college level only to be heading quickly toward being flops? It is on these NBA organizations to do their jobs in scouting these prospects. People knew Lebron would be a superstar when he was in the 10th grade.. You dont penalize great organizations for being on point in scouting. You dont bail out garbage organizations for reaching for the 'next KG' year after year after year.

 

[AgentCreed]

And how did you come to this conclusion? What is BG supposed to say, "yup, Scottie you're right, I don't give a fuck about this team or anybody else and I'm just playing for mines." Scottie Pippen is no longer a part of the Bulls organization in any capacity, and with the comments he just made he probably won't be in the future. BG doesn't have to put any worth to Scottie's comments because Scottie isn't in any position to have an impact on this Bulls team. He said he respected him, that's it, he doesn't give a shit about his comments and he doesn't have to. lmao @ BG not loving the game, if BG didn't love the game he wouldn't put as much effort as he does in working out over the summer on his game and body, and continuing to work out during the season. Before the season started Scott Skiles said BG put in the most work of any player prior to the season starting. It hasn't reflected in his play so far(although he's lighting shit up now), but you can't deny the effort. Even dating back to college Jim Calhoun said Ben was one of his hardest workers ever.

he's working hard for a big pay day. u dont have to love the game to put in work if u want a big check. once the deadline passed and he didn't get his extension he played like shit up until recently. he still takes bad shots and doesn't include his team in anything really.
he's playing for a check.

 

[jemstar]

he's working hard for a big pay day. u dont have to love the game to put in work if u want a big check. once the deadline passed and he didn't get his extension he played like shit up until recently. he still takes bad shots and doesn't include his team in anything really.
he's playing for a check.

Ben has worked hard since he's been in college, and he's worked hard every year since he got in the league. There's a reason why he's improved statistically and game wise every year he's been in the league. Part of that is for the money, of course it is. Its A JOB, every single player in the NBA is playing for a check, if not they would be playing in your local YMCA. Pippen is the last one to be talking about players being selfish, he was the one sitting on the sidelines refusing to enter a game because a last second shot wasn't called for his insecure ass.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Scottie's analysis WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in my opinion.

It is not about coming out early. To be honest with you, there are two ways. Either you just have it and know basketball enough to do the right things, or you shut up and listen to the things you need to work on to be a better player for the team. Most of the players these days don't listen, and coaches need to get on their ass about it.

BINGO!!!

He keeps mentioning contracts as if he never bitched or worried about his contract when he played.

Scottie is one of the 50 greatest... EVER.
As someone else pointed out, he had every right to bitch about the money he was making.
When you are the #2 guy on a Sports Dynasty, NOBODY coming *off-the-bench* (or making MINIMAL contributions) should make more paper than you. Only Jordan. Period.

Especially since NONE of those guys were even around for all 6 rings.
Only Jordan & Pippen. (Like Batman & Robin.)

With 5 or 6 titles under his belt...he was only making like $2.5 Million / year. (and they refused to re-negotiate)
While Longley (with NO championships) got signed for close to $8-10 million, or some shit.

If you ran a company, would you pay the *mailroom clerk* (i.e. Luc Longley) about 3x MORE than a VP Executive? That's seriously disrespectful. Anyone would take that personally. I don't blame him.

i disagree that scottie pippen would make a good head coach. Many of his statements included comparisons to bulls teams/players from more than a decade ago. that shit doesn't fly well with these young players today because they have no frame of reference.

This is the NBA. Not the AND1 Tour.
Why should anyone need to *hold these young players hands*?
Scotty was comparing them to his own squad(s) that went 72-10, won 6 Titles + 2 Olympic Gold Medals.
So in comparison, most of these guys have NEVER WON ANYTHING.

They need to pay attention & GET THEIR WEIGHT UP... if they REALLY want to WIN. Period.
Nigga's get drafted, get a big payday...then think their *shit don't stink*.

Lou. Scottie calls him slow. LOL Mashburn was slow also. Mashburn probably was the best small forward in the NBA, but injuries killed him. Lou reminds me of Mashburn. Same style and all.

You're right about the injuries...But Luol Deng is NO Jamal Mashburn. Not by a LONGSHOT.
Mash was a FRANCHISE PLAYER in Dallas, (for 3 years) so the team was BUILT AROUND HIM.
If you think Luol is a Franchise Caliber Player...

Luo hustles, runs the floor extremely well, can finish & has a good mid-range game, but his style is ALOT closer to an Antoine Jamison-type (with a better jumper + a little more athleticism), IMO.

I would admit that Deng is *All-Star Material*, but he does NOT have the same UPPER BODY STRENGTH as a Jamal Mashburn. Not even Close. He was nicknamed "MONSTER MASH" for a reason.
Carlos Boozer is ALOT closer to a Jamal Mashburn than Luol Deng.

pippen said hinrich is not that talented lol i disagree big time. he wouldnt be in the league if he wasnt. damn, man. If my boss came to me and said you're not worthy of working here, why would i stay? nobody would want to play for that. these old school players and coaches are out of touch. that military, drill shit dont work like it used to.

I respectfully disagree. Sure Hinrich is good enough to be in the League, but he's not THAT good.
And Scotty's call was right on point. He was merely speaking as a *prospective Head Coach* who was trying to point out some weakness of the team.

Understand that Scotty is a *Hall of Famer* who expects GREATNESS. Being *good* is not enough in his playbook.
Some old-school / HOF players absolutely KNOW what they are talking about. (like Barkley, Magic, even Kenny Smith)
NOBODY on this current Bulls squad is *HOF material* yet. NOBODY. (except possibly Ben Wallace. Only time will tell.)
NOBODY on this current Bulls squad may even win (1) Championship in their entire career (except for Ben Wallace) unless they get traded, or the Bulls acquire a future HOF Draft Pick / Veteran, or some shit.

There is a gap there when a boy becomes a man, and you're treating these kids like men and they lose their confidence.

This is the NBA.
It's their DUTY to MAN-UP.

So how would Scottie analyze himself sitting out, because the final play wasn't called for him? Lack or respect for teammates? or Acting like a bitch?

Pippen was THE FRANCHISE at that point.
Why would anyone draw up a play for the *mailroom clerk* in the final seconds of a game?
How many times does Phil Jackson call someone else's number (beside Kobe Bryant) in that scenario?
I remember that season, and a pattern / habit was developing where they would ride with Scotty thru entire games, only to have Kukoc (or someone else) take the final shot(s) in *crunch time*. That's kinda lame.

So he lost his cool & just *boycotted* what he thought was a bad-call by the Coach. Shit happens.
Can you really blame him, though? He prolly felt *disrespected* in the heat of the moment... considering the pattern of previous games.

Pro Athletes get emotional sometimes. Especially the GREAT ONES. (just ask Rasheed Wallace )
Besides, that's not his *trademark* behavior, anyway.
All those championships are not erased by a single moment of *bad judgment*.

I gave him a pass.

Scottie Pippen is no longer a part of the Bulls organization in any capacity, and with the comments he just made he probably won't be in the future. BG doesn't have to put any worth to Scottie's comments because Scottie isn't in any position to have an impact on this Bulls team. He said he respected him, that's it, he doesn't give a shit about his comments and he doesn't have to.

But maybe that's EXACTLY why they are in the position they are in now? By not heeding criticism from NBA Legends.
The Bulls have a *documented history* of disrespecting their former players once they have left the organization. Hopefully, Ben Gordon won't fall into that trap also. He seems like a nice guy.
Hell, the Bulls / Krause wouldn't even OFFER MICHAEL JORDAN HIMSELF a *front-office* job.
(After everything he did for them.) So go figure.

 

[Ceenote]

72-10. That is just sick. May not be another team to ever do that.

With the way the game is played today and the way it was played yesterday I think they are looking for a team to run into that record. The game of yesterday you use to have to work to get points unlike today they make it so easy for the guys to get points.

These guys in this day and age are very lazy!! Back then just about every team in the league was very, very competitive! Now you only have a handful that is competitive and thats just sad!

Thats why I wish they had contracts like the NFL where every year you have to stay on your shit or guess what you lose your spot!

 

[dh86]

With the way the game is played today and the way it was played yesterday I think they are looking for a team to run into that record. The game of yesterday you use to have to work to get points unlike today they make it so easy for the guys to get points.

These guys in this day and age are very lazy!! Back then just about every team in the league was very, very competitive! Now you only have a handful that is competitive and thats just sad!

Thats why I wish they had contracts like the NFL where every year you have to stay on your shit or guess what you lose your spot![/QUOTE]

That would be complete bullshit. Nobody forcing teams to give marginal players 5-6 year contracts. Again, you would be bailing out bad organizations and punishing the good ones that doesnt do that. Teams could have their whole roster on 1-2 year deals if they want. They can always bolt when their deal is up but that comes with the risk.

 

[hoodlikegaza]

[QUOTE
Chicago's problem lies within the front office. They drafted and signed players they didn't need. Their problem has been low post scoring for years. They know this and they continued to draft and sign non low post scoring players each year. Tyrus Thomas, Ben Wallace and Noah.[/QUOTE]

Well you are partially right there too. The problem isn't so much the front office as it is lack of coaching. You are completely wrong about what you've said about draft picks. The bulls have drafted Elton Brand,Eddy Curry, Tyrus Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Noah all within the last 8 years. Those are all solid picks for big men. The PROBLEM is that non of the players improved while in Chicago, (or even get playing time). Coaching is %100 at fault for the bulls inability to develop their own low post players.

You are also wrong about Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon at best should be a second or third option. Ben Gordon should not be the first scoring option in any offense, (which is exactly why he's been coming off the bench since Skiles has been fired). Gordon's role should be scoring off the bench.

The Bulls main problem right now, is scoring, being from the low post or the back court it doesnt matter. Getting a player like Kobe in the off season would have made them an Eastern Conference contender. The deals that were proposed for Kobe to the bulls made a lot of sense, but the inclusion of Deng made it a deal breaker to Paxson (I guess in this case you have a point about management making mistakes, but your reasoning was wrong).

Overall I think Pip's analysis of whats wrong with the bulls was right and exact. Is he a good candidate for a head coaching job in Chicago? Probably not, I think he needs some experience first. Although I would love to see Jeff Van Gundy take over the team, along with a couple of trades(Ben Wallace,Chris Duhon, and Lu Deng for the right player), Chicago could very well be a dominate team again.

 

[JIMMY SWAGGER]

Scottie is right. I dont think anyone of those players will ever be a star in this league. Deng may come close, maybe an All Star for a couple of years, but Gordon is too small of a shooting guard and cant play a lick of D. Wallace has aged so much in the last two years. I think the wear and tear of being a 6'7 center has worn him down. Thomas is too raw and doesnt have an high basketball IQ. I like Heinrich but he is too slow so he will be a defensive liability. Hey Im not the biggest Scottie Pippen fan but at least he got this correct.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

Pip, like Jordan and Rodman is a baskeball genius. I swear that 72-10 team is so underrated it's criminal. 3 of the best defenders ever on one team.

Makes me miss the old days.

agreed.....

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Scottie is right. I dont think anyone of those players will ever be a star in this league. Deng may come close, maybe an All Star for a couple of years, but Gordon is too small of a shooting guard and cant play a lick of D. Wallace has aged so much in the last two years. I think the wear and tear of being a 6'7 center has worn him down. Thomas is too raw and doesnt have an high basketball IQ. I like Heinrich but he is too slow so he will be a defensive liability. Hey Im not the biggest Scottie Pippen fan but at least he got this correct.

Wallace was effective on the Pistons because:

a.) he wasn't required to score.
b.) the Pistons worked with his strengths and covered his weaknesses.
c.) the Pistons play good help defense.

The Bulls have no post players and a bunch of streaky jump shooters. That means chasing long rebounds and constantly moving moving over to black shots because the rest of the team are not really good man defenders and they don't play good team defense. They got away with that against Miami last year because Wade was hurt and the rest of the Heats starters were slow.

Ben Wallace was brought in for one reason ONLY..to guard Shaq. He is not effective against more mobile centers. In fact, if given a choice Rasheed always guarded the more mobile big man while Ben was underneath getting rebounds.

Ben has a place in the league, but it would have to be on a team where he would have a role similar to what he had in Detroit. That means either going back to Detroit, or going to Dallas or Boston.

 

[nyyyyce]

Pip, like Jordan and Rodman is a baskeball genius. I swear that 72-10 team is so underrated it's criminal. 3 of the best defenders ever on one team.

Makes me miss the old days.

CO-SIGN

 

[c_commander]

Scottie's analysis WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in my opinion.




If you ran a company, would you pay the *mailroom clerk* (i.e. Luc Longley) about 3x MORE than a VP Executive? That's seriously disrespectful. Anyone would take that personally. I don't blame him.

Pippen was THE FRANCHISE at that point.
Why would anyone draw up a play for the *mailroom clerk* in the final seconds of a game?
How many times does Phil Jackson call someone else's number (beside Kobe Bryant) in that scenario?
I remember that season, and a pattern / habit was developing where they would ride with Scotty thru entire games, only to have Kukoc (or someone else) take the final shot(s) in *crunch time*. That's kinda lame.

So he lost his cool & just *boycotted* what he thought was a bad-call by the Coach. Shit happens.
Can you really blame him, though? He prolly felt *disrespected* in the heat of the moment... considering the pattern of previous games.

Pro Athletes get emotional sometimes. Especially the GREAT ONES. (just ask Rasheed Wallace )
Besides, that's not his *trademark* behavior, anyway.
All those championships are not erased by a single moment of *bad judgment*.

I gave him a pass.
QUOTE]

When did Pippen ever hit a big shot to win the game. Kukoc hit the shot in the game so it was the right call. Jordan did it, B.J. Armstrong did it, hell John Paxson even did it. Plus bad call or not Pippen got called for a foul that cost the Bulls a playoff game.Pippen was a great player but like Worthy he was destined to be a sidekick and unlike Worthy he did things that bring questions as to whether he could have handled being the franchise.

 

[grownazzblakman]

When did Pippen ever hit a big shot to win the game. Kukoc hit the shot in the game so it was the right call. Jordan did it, B.J. Armstrong did it, hell John Paxson even did it. Plus bad call or not Pippen got called for a foul that cost the Bulls a playoff game.Pippen was a great player but like Worthy he was destined to be a sidekick and unlike Worthy he did things that bring questions as to whether he could have handled being the franchise.

Dude, where have you been? You can't be serious.
No disrespect, but that's a totally UNFAIR statement.

FACT: Most NBA Games are NOT won or lost with just 1 BIG SHOT ALONE.
But the *LAST SHOT* always gets all *THE GLORY*. That's just the way it goes.
The majority of NBA games are not won in the final 10 seconds.They are won by playing DEFENSE.

*Offense sells TICKETS. Defense wins CHAMPIONSHIPS.* Period.

Guys like Pippen, who played *lockdown D*, dropped like 16 to 20 PPG, and did all the 'dirty work'... never get their just due. Because fans like you ONLY seem to remember *The Glory of a Final Shot*.

Just a few Scotty Pippen FACTS:
- 16 Playoff Appearances (Over a 17 Year career)
- Seven-time NBA All Star (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1997)
- Member of the NBA All-Defensive Team from 1991-2000 (First Team member 7 times)

BJ Armstrong, John Paxson, Toni Kukoc nor any of the OTHER Bulls players you care to mention had stats ANYWHERE CLOSE to that. (except for Jordan)

According to your logic... that means BJ, Paxson or Kukoc could qualify as FRANCHISE PLAYERS just because they hit a *clutch jumper* during the playoffs.

Jordan could NEVER win without Scotty.
That's a FACT.

Had Scotty Pippen (or James Worthy) played on ANY other team... of course they could have been FRANCHISE PLAYERS.

(Which one of the 50 GREATEST EVER could NOT be considered a FRANCHISE PLAYER when there are only 30 NBA teams!?! Name somebody. I gotta hear THIS. For ANY name you can think of, if you traded that player to a WORSE team during that era... I'm pretty certain they would become the Franchise. Period.)

Seriously, you're letting 1 playoff / series loss *cloud your judgment*.

Don't believe me? Check out NBA.com & compare Scotty's resume / numbers / accolades to ANY OTHER FRANCHISE PLAYER of that era... then get back to me.

Peace.

 

[c_commander]

Dude, where have you been? You can't be serious.
Had Scotty Pippen (or James Worthy) played on ANY other team... of course they could have been FRANCHISE PLAYERS. You're letting 1 playoff / series loss *cloud your judgement*.

Check out NBA.com & compare his resume / numbers / accolades to ANY OTHER FRANCHISE PLAYER of that era... then get back to me.

Peace.

Nor did he win without Jordan.Also I'll admit that Pippen definitely was good enough to be the franchise player. But,yet again, the leader of the team does not abandon his team in the closing moments of a close game and he sure as hell doesn't do it in a playoff game. All great players are remembered for certain plays and moments and unfortunately for Pippen that is moment that I remember when I think about him.
And the Bulls best hope for bringing in a low post player will probably be next season. By then Gordon and Deng will have gotten raises and it'll make it easier cap wise to make a deal without having to give 4 or 5 players as they would have over the last few years. Bring Elton Brand back?

 

[grownazzblakman]

Nor did he win without Jordan.Also I'll admit that Pippen definitely was good enough to be the franchise player. But,yet again, the leader of the team does not abandon his team in the closing moments of a close game and he sure as hell doesn't do it in a playoff game. All great players are remembered for certain plays and moments and unfortunately for Pippen that is moment that I remember when I think about him.
And the Bulls best hope for bringing in a low post player will probably be next season. By then Gordon and Deng will have gotten raises and it'll make it easier cap wise to make a deal without having to give 4 or 5 players as they would have over the last few years. Bring Elton Brand back?

I agree. They desperately NEED a *low post scorer*.
And Elton Brand is a good call.

I gave Scotty a pass cause people make mistakes, shit happens.
But Die-hard Bulls fans, in Chi-Town are a *tough crowd* to please.

Point taken.

 

[lazarus]

john paxson says scottie has no chance of being coach since his remarks. I told you he was being too hard. you cant say shit like that.

 

[Nobody]

You're right about that. Because some players out of high school have been in the league for a decade and still don't understand how to play the game.

Tell me, who? Some players out of high school. That means more than one. Give me three who been in the league for a decade.

 

[cranrab]

Give me three who been in the league for a decade.

off the top of my head, how 'bout:

tracy mcgrady
jermaine o'neal
tobe

 

[Nobody]

off the top of my head, how 'bout:

tracy mcgrady
jermaine o'neal
tobe

You're obviously dumb. All three at one point or another were franchise guys. One won three championships, another a couple scoring titles, and the third was on a 62 win team.

We're talking about guys who came out of HS and aren't successful in the NBA.

You're like the blunt of sports.