Sottie Pippen's take on the current Chicago Bulls players

when Scottie said "off the ball", I think he's referring to guarding the best big guard early on...so that he can efficiently run the offense without tiring out in the first damn half. And THEN he can guard the best big guard late in games, when it really counts. LOL @ him saying Tyrus was great from the neck down...and did anyone notice the title of the thread saying "Sottie"?
 
All three at one point or another were franchise guys.

according to your own statement, players can (or rather your opinion of them) can vacillate between being a franchise player and not being "franchise guys". :smh:

dumb ho cake. your understanding and estimation of athletes (and basketball specifically) is pathetic.

what has jermaine o'neal done with the pacers since he became the "franchise guy"? won fewer regular season games EACH consecutive season, advanced to the 2nd round ONCE.

what has tracy mcgrady done with the rockets since he became the "franchise guy"? never got out of the 1st round.

what has tobe done with the fakers since he became the "franchise guy"? never got out of the 1st round.

your fanboy allegiance to all things tobe is bad enough, but you also identified yourself as a prep-to-pros idiot supporter too.

david stern got 1 thing right: he marketed players and personalities over the sport itself to simps like you and you sheep fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
This is the NBA. Not the AND1 Tour.
Why should anyone need to *hold these young players hands*?
Scotty was comparing them to his own squad(s) that went 72-10, won 6 Titles + 2 Olympic Gold Medals.
So in comparison, most of these guys have NEVER WON ANYTHING.

thanks for unnecessarily rephrasing my statement. you simply repeated my point.
 
according to your own statement, players can (or rather your opinion of them) can vacillate between being a franchise player and not being "franchise guys". :smh:

dumb ho cake. your understanding and estimation of athletes (and basketball specifically) is pathetic.

what has jermaine o'neal done with the pacers since he became the "franchise guy"? won fewer regular season games EACH consecutive season, advanced to the 2nd round ONCE.

what has tracy mcgrady done with the rockets since he became the "franchise guy"? never got out of the 1st round.

what has tobe done with the fakers since he became the "franchise guy"? never got out of the 1st round.

your fanboy allegiance to all things tobe is bad enough, but you also identified yourself as a prep-to-pros idiot supporter too.

david stern got 1 thing right: he marketed players and personalities over the sport itself to simps like you and you sheep fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Yea, you're blunt. Either way you slice it, all three are above the average nba player. JO has had a bad year, but last season he was playing well.

Either way you take it, at one point each were top 10 players, Tmac and Kobe top 10, Kobe top 5.

That is not the kind of player the poster I called out insinuated. Don't be a fuckin moron. It takes a TEAM to win. What has JO done? No, what have the Pacers done? What has Kobe done? No, what have the Lakers done? The Pacers have been disjointed, the Lakers had too much youth (which is slowly coming along now). As for McGrady, you can question him - but ultimately he's a victim of his injuries.

You keep saying I have a fanboy allegiance to kobe, but you have a blind, irrational hatred of the player. And I don't mind prep to pro players. On average prep to pro players succeed at a GREATER rate than those who went to college.

Lebron
Kobe
KG
Dwight
TMac
JO
Josh Smith
Stephen Jackson
Al Harrington
Tyson Chandler.
Amare Stoudemire

The bums? Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry is on the fence. Martell Webster is a decent player. JR Smith can be good in the right situation.

You're acting like one year of college will make a player. Conversely the worst it could do to players who would have been a high lottery pick if they left after hs is that they drop a little to the mid lottery. Big whoop.

The whole thing with NBA, is what while its a team game players in this sport can make a bigger impact than any other sport. You're last line to me has nothing to do with anything I said in this thread.

Overall, the age limit hasn't done much. Because those who would have left after HS, will leave after one year. All it does really is delay and in some cases, shorten the amount of max contracts a player will sign.
 
Let's just be real.

When you hit the NBA, you should already have the basics down pat.

To that, I give you Gerald Green, Korleone Young, and Sebastian Telfair. Green's playing D-League, Young's back at home, and Telfair is on the verge of being kicked out. All were hyped in HS, all have done nothing to justify earning a paycheck.

If you're gonna draft them that young, then at least keep them playing and learning, instead of glued to the bench, stagnating their growth.

AMEN.

here are the prep players that entered the league since 2000:

Al Jefferson
Amare Stoudemire
Amir Johnson
Andray Blatche
Andrew Bynum
Cj Miles
Darius Miles
David Andersen
Deshawn Stevenson
Dorell Wright
Dwight Howard
Eddy Curry
Gerald Green
James Lang
Jonathan Bender
Josh Smith
Jr Smith
Kendrick Perkins
Kwame Brown
Lebron James
Leon Smith
Louis Williams
Martell Webster
Monta Ellis
Robert Swift
Sebastian Telfair
Shaun Livingston
Travis Outlaw
Tyson Chandler
 
Also, quite interesting you are talking shit about prep to pro players, when there isn't one player on the bulls who is prep to pro.

I believe Luol Deng left after one year in school, but he's on a track to become a good player. Ben Gordon? Left after junior year. Kirk Hinrich? Four year player. Tyrus Thomas? One year. And he was incredibly raw, I personally don't think he will be that good.
 
john paxson says scottie has no chance of being coach since his remarks. I told you he was being too hard. you cant say shit like that.

Sometimes the *Truth Hurts*.
Some people can take it. Some can't.

Shiiiit, I've heard Bobby Knight GO HARDER on college kids!!
(Who are just playing for *Free Tuition* :rolleyes:)


[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/Yw7KijRfU-c&rel=1[/FLASH]

NOW HOW HARD YOU THINK AN NBA COACH SHOULD BE...
WHEN *MILLIONS* OF DOLLARS ARE AT STAKE?!?


Niggas just need to MAN-THE-FUCK-UP. :rolleyes: Feel me?
Like I said before... Niggas get drafted... get a big payday...then think their *shit don't stink*.

Plus Scotty didn't even use ANY profanity. He doesn't need to.
Them dudes should really take heed, IMO.
 
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Yea, you're blunt.

wahhhhh... "you're blunt". real mature, ace. :rolleyes:

JO has had a bad year, but last season he was playing well.

PRIME example of making excuses for a 12th year vet simply because of his former prep status. first it was because he was too young. then supposedly a bad situation in portland. even if you subscribe to those EXCUSES, what new EXCUSE would you allege to account for his declining productivity over the past few seasons? simply put, jermaine o'neal was NEVER a "franchise guy" IN SPITE of the labels and tags people put on him.

What has JO done? No, what have the Pacers done?

good question. what have the pacers done since jermaine o'neal is their "franchise guy"?

answer? lost more games each season for the past 3 seasons.

What has Kobe done? No, what have the Lakers done?

what has a "top 5" "franchise guy" done with 2 multi-championship winning coaches? never left the first round.

maybe, just maybe your perception is distorted and OVERLY skewed.
maybe, just maybe you fell for the hype and are too vain or proud to let it go and admit you were mistaken in doing so.

the Lakers had too much youth (which is slowly coming along now).

:rolleyes: aren't the fakers STILL the 3rd youngest team in the league? and the blazers? when will people put the rationalizations and EXCUSES to bed?

As for McGrady, you can question him - but ultimately he's a victim of his injuries.

who's questioning him? i accurately see him for what he is. so there's no need to question tracy mcgrady.
 
Also, quite interesting you are talking shit about prep to pro players, when there isn't one player on the bulls who is prep to pro.

just for clarification, is this directed to me?

if it is, can you make it clear where i am "talking shit about prep to pro players"?
 
AMEN.

here are the prep players that entered the league since 2000:

Al Jefferson - 20/10
Amare Stoudemire - 22/9
Amir Johnson - benchwarmer - 2nd round pick
Andray Blatche - bench - 2nd round pick
Andrew Bynum - 12/10 no2 in LEAGUE in FG%
Cj Miles - bench - 2nd round
Darius Miles - straight bum - lottery
David Andersen - who?
Deshawn Stevenson - bench - late first round
Dorell Wright - rotation player - mid-late first
Dwight Howard - 23/15/3blk
Eddy Curry - 13/5, but the knicks quit playing. last season 19/7
Gerald Green - benchwarmer - lottery
James Lang - out of league - 2nd round pick
Jonathan Bender - retired - injuries - lottery
Josh Smith 17/8/3.5ast/3blk
Jr Smith - 10ppg, 19 mins
Kendrick Perkins - starting role player
Kwame Brown - bum overall, good post defender - lottery
Lebron James - 28/7/7.6/2stl/1blk
Leon Smith - who?
Louis Williams - 10ppg playing well for sixers - mid first round pick
Martell Webster - 10ppg
Monta Ellis - 17/4/3 last season MIP
Robert Swift - BUM
Sebastian Telfair - 9pts/6ast,
Shaun Livingston - freak injury
Travis Outlaw - 11/5 - lottery
Tyson Chandler - 11/12 4th in fg%


So what do we have? Since 2000 you have 29 prep to pro players. Toss out the players selected in the second round, since the second round is practically throw away whether you're a hs'er, four year player, or euro. That's 24 players now. Jonathan Bender retired due to injuries, and Shaun Livingston suffered a freak injury, but was showing signs of future greatness.

22 players now. Of those left, two are definite franchise players. 20 left. 2 more are borderline franchise players. Al Jefferson and Amare. Amare could be definite franchise, considering what he does in the playoffs, but his injuries puts him here.

17 left

Five others are integral pieces of their teams. Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, and Andrew Bynum.

12 left.

8 are regular players, with roles for their teams. Dorell Wright, Kendrick Perkins, Louis Williams, Martell Webster, Sebastian Telfair, Travis Outlaw, JR Smith and Deshawn Stevenson

4 left.

Darius Miles, Robert Swift, Kwame Brown, Gerald Green.

My math is fucked up somewhere, but I am staying up a lil extra just doing this damn post.

My point is, out of all those players (minus the second round picks) you have many players who are important to their teams. It's not as if prep to pro players are either superstars or bums, or that they are mostly bums, or mostly stars. But overall it's not much different than if they came out of college.
 
wahhhhh... "you're blunt". real mature, ace. :rolleyes:

It's true. You're posting style is too similar.
PRIME example of making excuses for a 12th year vet simply because of his former prep status. first it was because he was too young. then supposedly a bad situation in portland. even if you subscribe to those EXCUSES, what new EXCUSE would you allege to account for his declining productivity over the past few seasons? simply put, jermaine o'neal was NEVER a "franchise guy" IN SPITE of the labels and tags people put on him.



good question. what have the pacers done since jermaine o'neal is their "franchise guy"?

answer? lost more games each season for the past 3 seasons.
Since being the franchise guy, the pacers have had four winning seasons out of six. One of them they one 3/4ths of their games. The past three seasons he's been injured. One thing I will say, I never felt JO was the franchise type of guy, but even still he produced for the team.

what has a "top 5" "franchise guy" done with 2 multi-championship winning coaches? never left the first round.


maybe, just maybe your perception is distorted and OVERLY skewed.
maybe, just maybe you fell for the hype and are too vain or proud to let it go and admit you were mistaken in doing so.

Yea, because coaches suit up and play right? This argument is terrible. Look at how well the Lakers have been doing now that their youth is playing better. TEAMS win games. Kobe is a championship player. That is fact. With a team that started to heat up, they took the hottest team in the league to 7 games in the playoffs.

:rolleyes: aren't the fakers STILL the 3rd youngest team in the league? and the blazers? when will people put the rationalizations and EXCUSES to bed?

Team chemistry is important. It took the Blazers time to do it. Also their post player is night in, night out good for 17/7. While Bynum is playing well, he's still inconsistent.

who's questioning him? i accurately see him for what he is. so there's no need to question tracy mcgrady.

Now, even last season, with injuries, McGrady was the MVP of that team, and the rockets had a great record when he played.
 
i'll revisit this thread tomorrow. but i'll leave close with this.

perhaps there is a huge generational divide which results in the younger generation being INCAPABLE of honestly and accurately assessing talent and worth. after all, with no reliable understanding of the past, their perception of the present is inescapably flawed.

branding players such as tobe, tracy mcgrady and jermaine o'neal (among others) "franchise" players is foolish, because NONE of them have successfully met the challenge of carrying their teams on their backs.

who then, has? more pointedly, what prep-to-pro, if any, has?

one of the greatest: MOSES MALONE.

BEFORE moses malone, the houston rockets were a LOSING team (under .500, NO playoffs).

in his NBA rookie season the houston rockets became a winning team and advanced to the eastern conference finals.

when moses malone got injured the following year, the houston rockets went back to being a losing team (under .500, NO playoffs).

when moses malone returned the following season, the houston rockets again became a winning team and returned to the playoffs.
 
i'll revisit this thread tomorrow. but i'll leave close with this.

perhaps there is a huge generational divide which results in the younger generation being INCAPABLE of honestly and accurately assessing talent and worth. after all, with no reliable understanding of the past, their perception of the present is inescapably flawed.

branding players such as tobe, tracy mcgrady and jermaine o'neal (among others) "franchise" players is foolish, because NONE of them have successfully met the challenge of carrying their teams on their backs.

who then, has? more pointedly, what prep-to-pro, if any, has?

one of the greatest: MOSES MALONE.

BEFORE moses malone, the houston rockets were a LOSING team (under .500, NO playoffs).

in his NBA rookie season the houston rockets became a winning team and advanced to the eastern conference finals.

when moses malone got injured the following year, the houston rockets went back to being a losing team (under .500, NO playoffs).

when moses malone returned the following season, the houston rockets again became a winning team and returned to the playoffs.

Simple. David Stern has changed the game where teams don't rely on one person as much any more. Also, there is MORE talent across the board today than back then.
 
Simple. David Stern has changed the game where teams don't rely on one person as much any more. Also, there is MORE talent across the board today than back then.

:lol:

i love these rationalizations. more EXCUSES for why today's "stars" can't measure up. i guess the spurs haven't relied on tim duncan, and the magic, fakers and heat haven't relied on shaquille o'neal. :rolleyes:

why not just create more plausible myths like:

"they only played on 9 foot rims"

or

"the diameter of the baskets was wider"

:smh:
 
:lol:

i love these rationalizations. more EXCUSES for why today's "stars" can't measure up. i guess the spurs haven't relied on tim duncan, and the magic, fakers and heat haven't relied on shaquille o'neal. :rolleyes:

why not just create more plausible myths like:

"they only played on 9 foot rims"

or

"the diameter of the baskets was wider"

:smh:

Wow, you can tell this guy is a weekend warrior basketball fan. The Spurs have been by far not only one of the most TALENTED teams overall, but also the best coached. They have 3 superstars, along with some of the best role players in the league (possibly all time depending which EXPERT you are speaking to). Your argument is pure ignorance at best. Just the fact Shaq's name came out of your mouth in reference to the Heat's recent championship is nonsense. Anyone with a grain of perception saw that Dwayne WADE was THE PLAYER THAT PUT THE TEAM ON HIS SHOULDERS AND CARRIED THEM TO THE VICTORY. Mater of fact, Alonzo Mourning contributed more in those finals than Shaq. Mourning's defense and shot blocking completely stopped Dallas' quick guards from driving into the paint late in the game.

ALL of the contending teams in THE ENTIRE LEAUGE, have a combination of factors that make them championship teams. The first being COACHING. All the CHAMPIONSHIP teams have been outstandingly coached. Secondly being the amount of overall TALENT (offensively and defensively), and finally the Mental TOUGHNESS of the TEAM. It is easy to see every year which teams is going to compete for a championship just by observing those 3 qualities.

I suppose your idea of a franchise player will change, and the fact THAT IS NOT ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP, when 3 PLAYERS WHO HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FRANCHISE PLAYERS THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS TAKE A TEAM IN GREEN BACK TO THE PROMISE LAND.

Get a clue moron, it's waiting for you to catch up.
 
They have 3 superstars, along with some of the best role players in the league (possibly all time depending which EXPERT you are speaking to).

:lol:

what an utter fool and complete moron. the jackasses are running amok on BGOL these days.

are you possibly referring to tony parker and manu ginobili as "superstars"?

:lol:

and EVEN IF YOU WERE CORRECT (which you are NOT), those 3 weren't together in 1999. and manu ginobili wasn't a starter in 2003. so sit back and make up some more dumb ass EXCUSES for your stupidity.

Just the fact Shaq's name came out of your mouth in reference to the Heat's recent championship is nonsense. Anyone with a grain of perception saw that Dwayne WADE was THE PLAYER THAT PUT THE TEAM ON HIS SHOULDERS AND CARRIED THEM TO THE VICTORY. Mater of fact, Alonzo Mourning contributed more in those finals than Shaq. Mourning's defense and shot blocking completely stopped Dallas' quick guards from driving into the paint late in the game.

:lol:

you've completely outed yourself, simp. YOU'RE A BALL WATCHER. meaning you only watch the action around the ball. you regurgitate bullshit you hear and pretend like you know something. :smh:

ALL of the contending teams in THE ENTIRE LEAUGE, have a combination of factors that make them championship teams. The first being COACHING. All the CHAMPIONSHIP teams have been outstandingly coached.

you're barking up the wrong tree, illiterate simp. NOBODY was the poster who discounted coaching, NOT ME. :smh:
 
some cats on BGOL stay STUCK ON STUPID as they assemble theories OUT OF THEIR ASSES.

the most recent in a LONG, LONG, line of pretentious morons to crawl out of the woodwork suggested that the san antonio spurs' success was due in large part to having 3 superstars and a good coach.

here is the 1999 championship roster. find the 3 "superstars":

andrew gaze
antonio daniels
avery johnson
brandon williams
david robinson
gerard king
jaren jackson
jerome kersey
malik rose
mario elie
sean elliot
steve kerr
tim duncan
will perdue

2003 championship roster. again, point out the 3 "superstars":

anthony goldwire
bruce bowen
danny ferry
david robinson
devin brown
kevin willis
malik rose
manu ginobili
mengke bateer
speedy claxton
stephen jackson
steve kerr
steve smith
tim duncan
tony parker

2005 championship roster. find the 3 "superstars":

beno udrih
brent barry
bruce bowen
devin brown
dion glover
glenn robinson
linton johnson
malik rose
manu ginobili
mike wilks
nazr mohammed
rasho nesterovic
robert horry
sean marks
tim duncan
tony massenburg
tony parker

2007 championship roster. find the 3 "superstars":

beno udrih
brent barry
bruce bowen
eric williams
fabricio oberto
francisco elson
jackie butler
jacque vaughn
james white
manu ginobili
matt bonner
melvin ely
michael finley
robert horry
tim duncan
tony parker

for almost the past 2 decades, the NBA champion squad has consisted of 3 things:

1) a head coach with a winning system
2) a "franchise" player to do the heavy lifting
3) complementary role players who have bought into the system

rule #3 was broken by a brainless euro chucker in 2004 and it resulted in an aberration.
 
:lol:

what an utter fool and complete moron. the jackasses are running amok on BGOL these days.

are you possibly referring to tony parker and manu ginobili as "superstars"?

:lol:

and EVEN IF YOU WERE CORRECT (which you are NOT), those 3 weren't together in 1999. and manu ginobili wasn't a starter in 2003. so sit back and make up some more dumb ass EXCUSES for your stupidity.



:lol:

you've completely outed yourself, simp. YOU'RE A BALL WATCHER. meaning you only watch the action around the ball. you regurgitate bullshit you hear and pretend like you know something. :smh:



you're barking up the wrong tree, illiterate simp. NOBODY was the poster who discounted coaching, NOT ME. :smh:

Well at least now you now your place, and we won't have to hear your stupid illogical analysis of basketball. Sounds like you got your feelings hurt, because you obviously can't discredit ONE thing I said. I challenge you or the most knowledgeable basketball person your silly ass knows to at least come up with an intelligent counter point to anything I said that just took ownership of your feeble minded responses.

Come on dog, if you are going to get sonned on the basketball knowledge tip, at least try to come correct with the insults. They were almost funny, but not really. Perhaps if you don't try so hard with your next response you will have a better opportunity to be funny. It's not a joke if you're the only one laughing. ..
 
you obviously can't discredit ONE thing I said.

you did YOURSELF, with the ridiculous "3 superstars" claim, and again later with the dwyane wade/alonzo mourning attribution.

tell me, in your bizarro universe was manu ginobili a bonafide "superstar" as a rookie in 2003? :smh:

you played yourself.

as for the LUDICROUS claims about the 2006 NBA finals, tell me, why did coach johnson and coach harris (who is one of the greatest active defensive coaches in the NBA) elect to so frequently double shaquille o'neal if he was as much of a non-threat as you claim?

and while you're at it, why don't you tell me how the dallas mavericks ended up in penalty situations so frequently? you know, the whole reason why dwyane wade able to compile the FTAs to begin with?

transparent, box score reading simps.

:smh:
 
72-10. That is just sick. May not be another team to ever do that.



well the league was watered down that year.
...........yeah, my Bulls were still a sick ass team.
but a lot of the players admited themselves that they couldnt have done that to teams that played in the 80's. Watered down league equals murder throughout the year. You had a few good players here and there, but lets be real, how many complete teams was really able to compete with the bulls that year?

but anyways.
as far as Scottie.
as much as i hate to do this, i feel Scottie has SOMEWHAT of a point.
a lot of them are just playing for a contract.
you have those kind of players all over the league....your dealing with a different type of mentality when you talk about these young NEW SCHOOL players.... in all sports, not just basketball.
Different morals and very diferent contracts compared to what the old school players were getting.

As far as his take on their talent....well they have been playing this way since they came to the Bulls to be honest with you.
And before this season, Scottie was a big fan and nut hugger, giving props to most of the players he talking shit about, except Ben wallace.

I wish i could find the transcripts of him when he was on comcast sport channel and countless of other stations showing his support for this bulls team.


One thing i will give him props on, his statement about Ben Wallace.
After Ben's first season with the bulls, i felt that them signing him was a big mistake.
all that energy and skill that he had in D town...he didnt bring with him.
after he got the contract....it seems like he got lazy.
so fuck him!!


Since the Jordan era, it seems like the bulls are just signing more and more young talent..
i dont know what their searching for (the next MJ :dunno:), but i always said they needed more vetern players.
Somebody that has proven themselves in the NBA.



yeah, the bulls have been playing better since they fired Scott Skiles, but its obvious that a lot of these players need to change their way of thinking.
ill just wait to see how they play after they get their new contracts.

I dont knowthe true motive behind Scottie's statement......but i think it goes deeper than just the "The current Bulls team being in a state of disarray". I think he is on some other shit. But anyways.....i will admit that a lot of peope in this thread are just typing out of pure hate. Most of you wanna think that you know about the NBA.....but its obvious a lot of you are just speaking as fans....of other players that not on the Bulls :lol:.
but its kool. yall have the right to like who yall want to like. Just keep in mind that the Bulls do have A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTT of talent, more talent than most of these other teams in the NBA, problem is some of them choose to use their talents for the wrong reason. But they'll get it together....quicker than the Knicks will get their shit together :lol:



GO BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
you did YOURSELF, with the ridiculous "3 superstars" claim, and again later with the dwyane wade/alonzo mourning attribution.

tell me, in your bizarro universe was manu ginobili a bonafide "superstar" as a rookie in 2003? :smh:

you played yourself.

as for the LUDICROUS claims about the 2006 NBA finals, tell me, why did coach johnson and coach harris (who is one of the greatest active defensive coaches in the NBA) elect to so frequently double shaquille o'neal if he was as much of a non-threat as you claim?

and while you're at it, why don't you tell me how the dallas mavericks ended up in penalty situations so frequently? you know, the whole reason why dwyane wade able to compile the FTAs to begin with?

transparent, box score reading simps.

:smh:

I did myself in with a "3 superstars" claim? Wow you really are stupid. I wasn't claiming anything. I was pointing out a FACT that anyone on the planet earth that watches the NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION KNOWS, that the SPURS have 3 SUPERSTARS ON THEIR TEAM. Was it that hard to figure out? I'm pretty impressed by your ability to copy and paste, but your use of semantics is still leaving you very little to argue with.

Oh by the way, thanks for just repeating exactly the same things I said in your very first response, that was helpful for your cause.

Now, since you obviously can't discredit anything I said in your initial ownership, I'm not even going to offer any suggestions as to why your arguments are flawed logic. I'm sure the people that know basketball that are reading your comments are pretty amused that you are bringing up a lock out season, and then changing the discussion completely to make it seem you know what you are talking about. I apologize, but devilish trickery doesn't work with me either....

And I see you keep calling me a simp. Am I supposed to be offended or insulted by being called a simp? For one I don't even know what the fuck a simp is, or how exactly to respond to a half wit calling me one.
 
I wasn't claiming anything.

we know this.

I was pointing out a FACT that anyone on the planet earth that watches the NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION KNOWS, that the SPURS have 3 SUPERSTARS ON THEIR TEAM.

keep believing in your fantasies. tell me, how have the spurs "superstars" performed without tim duncan? when you're ready to discuss REAL WORLD BASKETBALL, you can respond.

you obviously can't discredit anything I said in your initial ownership, I'm not even going to offer any suggestions as to why your arguments are flawed logic.

uh, your OPINIONS have been devoid of FACT or HISTORY. you're so ignorant you don't understand that you're playing yourself. keep it up.

you are bringing up a lock out season

oh, i forgot. nobody actually played any basketball that season. that was just all pretend. :rolleyes: those games don't count.

changing the discussion completely to make it seem you know what you are talking about.

:lol:

don't try to scurry away now, sammy. unlike you, i offered clear proof that your "3 superstars" claim is an ignorant, uninformed OPINION of yet another bullshit poster.

I see you keep calling me a simp. Am I supposed to be offended or insulted by being called a simp?

you can be offended or insulted all you want. what you're "supposed to be" is familiar with the english language. why doesn't it surprise me to know you aren't?

For one I don't even know what the fuck a simp is

and yet you comment on others' use of semantics. :rolleyes:

feel free to come back to the thread when you have some BASKETBALL FACT to discuss, not simple-minded OPINION (likely formed while playing nba live).
 
It only took you about an hour this time to come up with a response this time. I'm glad to see that despite the fact you've been sonned that you insist to come back for more. At least you didn't attempt to insult me by calling me a simp this time. But back on topic.

To the shit for brains "simp", if you really want to get sonned, go ahead and start another thread, I'm sure it will be more amusing to completely make an ass out of yourself in a thread you created. That way we can be sure to differentiate between fact and opinion.

Hopefully the Bulls do make the playoffs. As a Bulls fan it would very disappointing to see them turn out as a lottery team, after all the improvement they've shown over the last 3 seasons.
 
Chuck Barkley on TNT Bulls/Blazers pre-game tonight:

"The guy that should be fired is the one that didn't trade for Kevin Garnett or Paul Gasol......"

CHURCH.........this season ALL falls on JOHN PAXSON's shoulders
 
It only took you about an hour this time to come up with a response this time.

imagine that. a world where people don't sit glued to the computer.

At least you didn't attempt to insult me by calling me a simp this time. But back on topic.

poor baby. nobody's attempting to insult you. the shoe fits and you wear it well.

go ahead and start another thread, I'm sure it will be more amusing to completely make an ass out of yourself in a thread you created. That way we can be sure to differentiate between fact and opinion.

go ahead and start one up. oh, but this time, try to include some FACT and historical accuracy. here's another tip: don't blurt out your ignorant opinions and then try to distance yourself from them later. you remember "3 superstars" don't you?

here are some examples of FACT:

without TD in the starting lineup, the spurs hover around the .500 winning percentage

without tony parker in the starting lineup, the spurs hover around the .500 winning percentage

without manu ginobili in the starting lineup, the spurs hover around the .700 winning percentage

who are the "3 superstars" you claim the spurs have again?

EDIT: BTW you can start timing me now, simp.
 
according to your own statement, players can (or rather your opinion of them) can vacillate between being a franchise player and not being "franchise guys". :smh:

dumb ho cake. your understanding and estimation of athletes (and basketball specifically) is pathetic.

what has jermaine o'neal done with the pacers since he became the "franchise guy"? won fewer regular season games EACH consecutive season, advanced to the 2nd round ONCE.

what has tracy mcgrady done with the rockets since he became the "franchise guy"? never got out of the 1st round.

T-Mac isn't the franchise guy with the Rockets. Yao Ming is. And Jermaine O'Neal has lost the likes of Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest. 2 players whose presences are definitely impactful. Just look at what Jackson has done for Golden State. You put O'Neal and Kobe together and while you won't have a viable title team you'd have a team that would make some noise. Plus who in Kobe's supporting cast is really good other than Odom who can't stay healthy. Kobe, Lebron, KG are all guys that college wouldn't have done anything for. Their development wasn't stunted by not taking advantage of those years.
 
T-Mac isn't the franchise guy with the Rockets.

i never asserted that he was. perhaps NOBODY did.

Jermaine O'Neal has lost the likes of Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest. 2 players whose presences are definitely impactful.

agreed to both statements.

put O'Neal and Kobe together and while you won't have a viable title team you'd have a team that would make some noise.

put 5 starters WHO FULLY BUY INTO coach jackson's system and automatically "you'd have a team that would make some noise".

Kobe, Lebron, KG are all guys that college wouldn't have done anything for.

in terms of physical development? in terms of understanding basic principles of the game? i respectfully disagree.
 
Nor did he win without Jordan.Also I'll admit that Pippen definitely was good enough to be the franchise player. But,yet again, the leader of the team does not abandon his team in the closing moments of a close game and he sure as hell doesn't do it in a playoff game. All great players are remembered for certain plays and moments and unfortunately for Pippen that is moment that I remember when I think about him.
And the Bulls best hope for bringing in a low post player will probably be next season. By then Gordon and Deng will have gotten raises and it'll make it easier cap wise to make a deal without having to give 4 or 5 players as they would have over the last few years. Bring Elton Brand back?

Scottie's lone season without MJ in his prime, he lead the Bulls to 55 wins and a loss in 7 games to the eventual East champ. You bring up the Kukoc shot, but what great player (not named Kevin Garnett) does not want the ball in their hand in that situation? They did not become great players in the first place if it wasnt for that kinda confidence in themselves.
 
i never asserted that he was. perhaps NOBODY did.



agreed to both statements.



put 5 starters WHO FULLY BUY INTO coach jackson's system and automatically "you'd have a team that would make some noise".



in terms of physical development? in terms of understanding basic principles of the game? i respectfully disagree.

What exactly would have Duke done for Kobe Bryant? He would just be trying to find his way around the NBA in 2000 when Shaq was at his peak rather than 1996. Del Harris and his staff coaching prepared him for the pros any less than Coach K would have? Nativity at its best. Michigan would have done nothing for KG. Ohio State would have been a complete and utter waste of time for LeBron James. LeBron more than any high school player in the past 30 years, was NBA ready. In every facet of the game. What would an NCAA season done for him rather than risk injury?
 
What exactly would have Duke done for Kobe Bryant?

made him a more complete player. improved his approach to the game. possibly made him a better man. were you a collegiate athlete in a team sport?

Del Harris and his staff coaching prepared him for the pros any less than Coach K would have?

that isn't coach harris' job. and coach harris got fired because he wouldn't compromise his values for jerry buss' wishes.

Nativity at its best. Michigan would have done nothing for KG.

were you trying to spell naivete? :smh: @ nativity.

and your statement is ignorance at its best. you probably aren't old enough to remember (and hence, speak from your ass), but kevin garnett WASN'T ELIGIBLE for division 1 because of his ACT score. why bring him up when he didn't have an option?
 
made him a more complete player. improved his approach to the game. possibly made him a better man. were you a collegiate athlete in a team sport?



that isn't coach harris' job. and coach harris got fired because he wouldn't compromise his values for jerry buss' wishes.



were you trying to spell naivete? :smh: @ nativity.

and your statement is ignorance at its best. you probably aren't old enough to remember (and hence, speak from your ass), but kevin garnett WASN'T ELIGIBLE for division 1 because of his ACT score. why bring him up when he didn't have an option?

Kobe Bryant is a complete player already. Where have you been the past 12 years? How many complete guards have Mike Krzyzewski developed at Duke since 1980? Grant Hill? For the few things Kobe would have conceivably gained, he would have lost more by those 4 years at Duke. No way would he have been ready in 2000-2001 to take the large role he took on the Lakers championship teams if he was just in his first and second year still trying to find his way in the NBA. Instead, he was a veteran by those years, took some heat off Shaq and won 3 rings. As for Garnett, I am stating a hypothetical situation as he probably would have went to Michigan if he played college basketball. In either case, they were obviously developed by their respective NBA coaching staff, more than that, live game action in NBA games prepared them to be the superstars they are much more than anything in the NCAA would have.
 
cranrab, let me holla at you for a minute....GET A FUCKING LIFE! damn.
and I was right. Scottie is going to spend his days jacking off to Ahmad Rashad, and contemplating nose surgery
 
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