Biden has so far deported more Haitians in a few weeks than the Trump did in a whole year

[Joe Money]

you've contradicted everything you claim to believe in and what supposedly drives your political decision making. The sad part is youre so caught up in trolling and complaining at literally every single thing you don't see it.

I have yet to contradict anything. This issue of Haitian immigration only affirms everything else that I say about the Biden Administration as it relates to its overall policies. Symbolism over substance.

for a person who said this...

you seem to argue very passionately against a person or party rather than policy and agenda. If you truly stand by those statements (and you have no choice really since you said them) then why do you give a shit who's making it?? That should literally not be in your criteria for whats happening with this particular policy measure.

Yes, as I said in your quote above, I follow POLICY and AGENDA.

You seem to be incapable of even sticking to the topic of a thread.

The issue is black immigration... your stated stance is...

No, the issue in this thread is Biden's policies as they relate to Haitian immigrants. STICK TO THE SPECIFIC TOPIC NIGGA! My statement above
pertained to African immigrant woman who wrote an article called "African-Americans a disgrace to the black race".

Now, if you'd like to discuss that article further, then please return to that thread and re-up the conversation! This thread is about Biden's policies as they relate to Haitian immigration.

Which means your later statement...
shouldn't mean a thing... now your little buddies can do this all day long and that might feel good to you but you have betrayed your own position just by making the argument. You have no dog in this fight...or more precisely..the dog you have is actually IN FAVOR of the very agenda and policy others are complaining about.

So the question to you is WHY ARE YOU ARGUING ON THEIR BEHALF when it flies in the face of your own stance?? Pointing out that biden and trump have similar policies or are doing the same thing on a particular policy (especially one that doesn't negatively effect ADOS) SHOULD BE beneath you.

And yet here you are

"the dog you have is actually IN FAVOR of the very agenda and policy others are complaining about."

Thank you for acknowledging this, in your own roundabout way. You re-upped this thread just to post an article about Biden granting TPS to Haitian immigrants, but now you see that his overall policies, especially the sheer number of deportations, run contrary to this false veneer he has presented.

I am not arguing on their behalf at all. I am simply SHOWING the hypocrisy of his administration on this issue. This is important to understand because these kinds of political misdirections carry over into policies as well.

Now ask YOURSELF why YOU re-upped a two-month old thread and why YOU are in here caping so hard for the Biden Administration when YOU said the below??

i don't really care for haitians so
edit...thier concerns aren't my concerns...I'm indifferent to the issues of immigrants..african americans aren't immigrants in the same way...we had no choice in being brought here so the african american experience isn't the same.

 

[geechiedan]

I have yet to contradict anything. This issue of Haitian immigration only affirms everything else that I say about the Biden Administration as it relates to its overall policies. Symbolism over substance.

The substance of the policy is to remove illegal immigrants or immigrants whose green cards have expired..in any case you agree with that particular issue...you want immigrants removed. The substance is apparently biden is doing something you should be in agreement with. But your complaining anyway.

Yes, as I said in your quote above, I follow POLICY and AGENDA.

You seem to be incapable of even sticking to the topic of a thread.

I'm following it better than you are... you can't decide with side of the issue your on...

No, the issue in this thread is Biden's policies as they relate to Haitian immigrants. STICK TO THE SPECIFIC TOPIC NIGGA! My statement above
pertained to African immigrant woman who wrote an article called "African-Americans a disgrace to the black race".

Now, if you'd like to discuss that article further, then please return to that thread and re-up the conversation! This thread is about Biden's policies as they relate to Haitian immigration.

youre right..that thread topic was about african immigrants...YOU expanding it to ALL BLACK immigrants in your statements... or did you forget..

ADOS is simply about US, Black Americans whose roots go back to slavery in the American South, getting our just due from the American government and society. Immigrants of any stripe should not and do not have any say in this. Simple as that. If it means a moratorium on immigration and mass deportations of non-citizens, then ‘oh well’. That’s their fight, not ours. Just as this is our fight, not theirs.

Guess what? "All other black people and everyone else" has been saying FUCK YOU to us! The white feminists, the homosexuals, the black immigrants, the other immigrants.....all have benefitted due to our blind electoral support of the Democratic Party! We have not. We have been ignored.

You recent Caribbean (correct spelling btw ) and African immigrants are more prone to vote GOP than we are.

now Haiti IS in the Caribbean...you made an emphatic point that your thoughts and political position on this issue pertained to all black immigrants. And you specifically called out the caribbeans as well. Thats not me thats your statements.
hell in this thread you basically did it again.

It may not help, but if we don't prioritize ourselves as an ethnic group first, then no one else will. We can sympathize with Palestinians or Kurds or Black people in the Caribbean, Latin America, and Africa who have been the victims of colonialism, racism, and colorism..............but that support has to be reciprocated on a real-world level. You can read posts on this board from Hotlantan, Mr. Met, Drayonis, and others who express their contempt for Black Americans. And they're more the norm than the exception, especially in academic and professional circles.

so you side eye black immigrants HARD then turn around and complain about immigration policy

"the dog you have is actually IN FAVOR of the very agenda and policy others are complaining about."

Thank you for acknowledging this, in your own roundabout way. You re-upped this thread just to post an article about Biden granting TPS to Haitian immigrants, but now you see that his overall policies, especially the sheer number of deportations, run contrary to this false veneer he has presented.

Your position on this is not only disingenuous but confusing and unnecessarily nitpicky. let me get this straight..
you feel that biden granting a TPS to haitians is somehow a false veneer because he has deported as many or more than trump. you repeatdly post this statement:
“More Haitians have been removed to Haiti in the weeks since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office than during all of fiscal year 2020,” according to the Invisible Wall report, published by the Haitian Bridge Alliance, the Quixote Center, and the UndocuBlack Network.
and you ask me to make it make sense.... well heres the REST of the article from the OP

In part at least, the rise in expulsions mirrors an increase in arrivals of Haitians at the border, misled by rumours and deliberate disinformation from people smugglers, that the Biden administration had relaxed the regime at the border. Most of the new arrivals have been waiting in Mexico for months hoping for a change in the rules affecting Haitians. Some of the deportees may also have been held in detention centres in the US.

does that make sense?

I am not arguing on their behalf at all. I am simply SHOWING the hypocrisy of his administration on this issue. This is important to understand because these kinds of political misdirections carry over into policies as well.


Now ask YOURSELF why YOU re-upped a two-month old thread and why YOU are in here caping so hard for the Biden Administration when YOU said the below??

but here is the bigger context and history of the order:

Haiti was designated for TPS in 2010 after a massive earthquake devastated the country. That status was extended multiple times, including in 2017, until the Trump administration sought to terminate that status in July 2019 -- a move that faced legal challenges that has so far kept the status in place pending the outcome of the case. Activist groups had called for the Biden administration to re-designate the country.

Biden administration grants temporary protected status to Haitian immigrants living in US

The Biden administration on Saturday announced it is granting Haitian nationals, who are currently living in the U.S., Temporary Protected Status for an initial 18 months amid ongoing security concerns and human rights abuses in the country.

www.foxnews.com

So Obama issued it and extended it...trump tried to eliminate it and Biden reissued it.. wheres the hypocrisy??

 

[Joe Money]

The substance of the policy is to remove illegal immigrants or immigrants whose green cards have expired..in any case you agree with that particular issue...you want immigrants removed. The substance is apparently biden is doing something you should be in agreement with. But your complaining anyway.

I'm following it better than you are... you can't decide with side of the issue your on...

I think that last statement pertains to YOU. You are the one who said "the dog you have is actually IN FAVOR of the very agenda and policy others are complaining about" and above YOU are saying "The substance is apparently biden is doing something you should be in agreement with". And below you are saying "So Obama issued it and extended it...trump tried to eliminate it and Biden reissued it.. wheres the hypocrisy."

So, perhaps YOU should thoroughly explain the policy once you have figured it out. But oh yeah, didn't you also say:

"i don't really care for haitians so
edit...thier concerns aren't my concerns...I'm indifferent to the issues of immigrants..african americans aren't immigrants in the same way...we had no choice in being brought here so the african american experience isn't the same."

So why are YOU even in this thread and why did YOU choose to re-up it? I'll wait.......................I know I won't get a direct answer to that question.

youre right..that thread topic was about african immigrants...YOU expanding it to ALL BLACK immigrants in your statements... or did you forget..

now Haiti IS in the Caribbean...you made an emphatic point that your thoughts and political position on this issue pertained to all black immigrants. And you specifically called out the caribbeans as well. Thats not me thats your statements.
hell in this thread you basically did it again.

The thread topic was called "Joy Ann Reid smears black voters, labels #ADOS & #AMERICANDOS hashtags as bots" and the main topic of the thread pertained to Black immigrants who obstruct and obfuscate Black ADOS policy issues and/or blatantly attack us with articles called "African-Americans a disgrace to the black race". Now, if you'd like to re-up that thread just as you re-upped this thread to cape for Biden, please go there and do so and we can continue the conversation. The irony is that you have NO comments in that thread whatsoever! Not a single goddamn one! But you now want to bring that conversation over here?

Your position on this is not only disingenuous but confusing and unnecessarily nitpicky. let me get this straight..
you feel that biden granting a TPS to haitians is somehow a false veneer because he has deported as many or more than trump. you repeatdly post this statement:
“More Haitians have been removed to Haiti in the weeks since President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris took office than during all of fiscal year 2020,” according to the Invisible Wall report, published by the Haitian Bridge Alliance, the Quixote Center, and the UndocuBlack Network.
and you ask me to make it make sense.... well heres the REST of the article from the OP

In part at least, the rise in expulsions mirrors an increase in arrivals of Haitians at the border, misled by rumours and deliberate disinformation from people smugglers, that the Biden administration had relaxed the regime at the border. Most of the new arrivals have been waiting in Mexico for months hoping for a change in the rules affecting Haitians. Some of the deportees may also have been held in detention centres in the US.

does that make sense?

but here is the bigger context and history of the order:

Haiti was designated for TPS in 2010 after a massive earthquake devastated the country. That status was extended multiple times, including in 2017, until the Trump administration sought to terminate that status in July 2019 -- a move that faced legal challenges that has so far kept the status in place pending the outcome of the case. Activist groups had called for the Biden administration to re-designate the country.

Biden administration grants temporary protected status to Haitian immigrants living in US

The Biden administration on Saturday announced it is granting Haitian nationals, who are currently living in the U.S., Temporary Protected Status for an initial 18 months amid ongoing security concerns and human rights abuses in the country.

www.foxnews.com

So Obama issued it and extended it...trump tried to eliminate it and Biden reissued it.. wheres the hypocrisy??

At least you brought the discussion back to the original topic, which, rather than pulling my dossier and deflecting the discussion, you could have done earlier. The original point still stands.....this TPS only applies to Haitian immigrants who were in the country as of May 21. Why wasn't the TPS issued when he took office? Why did he allow more deportations in two months than occurred under Trump in a year?

Migrant advocates enraged over Biden's slow Haiti moves

Migrant advocates enraged over Biden’s slow Haiti moves

Pressure is mounting on the Biden administration to address worsening humanitarian conditions in Haiti and provide deportation protections covering tens of thousands of Haitians in the United State…

thehill.com

 

[geechiedan]

I think that last statement pertains to YOU. You are the one who said "the dog you have is actually IN FAVOR of the very agenda and policy others are complaining about" and above YOU are saying "The substance is apparently biden is doing something you should be in agreement with". And below you are saying "So Obama issued it and extended it...trump tried to eliminate it and Biden reissued it.. wheres the hypocrisy."

So, perhaps YOU should thoroughly explain the policy once you have figured it out. But oh yeah, didn't you also say:
So why are YOU even in this thread and why did YOU choose to re-up it? I'll wait.......................I know I won't get a direct answer to that question.

I just asked a question. in fact a similar question you asked in the other thread...

and this concerns ADOS how?

But the question is "why should we care?" Can you articulate how immigration benefits Black Americans at all?

you know what...no one ever really answers that question.

The thread topic was called "Joy Ann Reid smears black voters, labels #ADOS & #AMERICANDOS hashtags as bots" and the main topic of the thread pertained to Black immigrants who obstruct and obfuscate Black ADOS policy issues and/or blatantly attack us with articles called "African-Americans a disgrace to the black race". Now, if you'd like to re-up that thread just as you re-upped this thread to cape for Biden, please go there and do so and we can continue the conversation. The irony is that you have NO comments in that thread whatsoever! Not a single goddamn one! But you now want to bring that conversation over here?

Not bringing the conversation here...just exposing how you really feel about immigrants including those from Caribbean. Why are you acting like haitians today aren't acting like you said black immigrants did back in 2019?

At least you brought the discussion back to the original topic, which, rather than pulling my dossier and deflecting the discussion, you could have done earlier. The original point still stands.....this TPS only applies to Haitian immigrants who were in the country as of May 21. Why wasn't the TPS issued when he took office? Why did he allow more deportations in two months than occurred under Trump in a year?

Migrant advocates enraged over Biden's slow Haiti moves

Migrant advocates enraged over Biden’s slow Haiti moves

Pressure is mounting on the Biden administration to address worsening humanitarian conditions in Haiti and provide deportation protections covering tens of thousands of Haitians in the United State…

thehill.com

nigga seriously?? you want to know why the president did or didn't do something fast enough... get a plane ticket and a press pass and ask him yourself. I have no idea what it takes to get shit done or why it takes the time it does. thats not even a good debate tactic

as far as why I re-upped the thread? just felt like startin some shit..

in any case youve been exposed for the hypocritical stance youre taking... and I got a couple good giggles from it..

 

[Joe Money]

I just asked a question. in fact a similar question you asked in the other thread...

What question did you ask? You made the following statements:

i don't really care for haitians so
edit...thier concerns aren't my concerns...I'm indifferent to the issues of immigrants..african americans aren't immigrants in the same way...we had no choice in being brought here so the african american experience isn't the same.

you know what...no one ever really answers that question.

Some answer that question.....those who claim pan-Africanism as well as those who claim socialism. I know Supersav has addressed that question. The main ones who fail to address that question are the anti-ADOS Blue MAGA posters on this board.

Not bringing the conversation here...just exposing how you really feel about immigrants including those from Caribbean. Why are you acting like haitians today aren't acting like you said black immigrants did back in 2019?

I've been clear about my ADOS support on this board for three years. You're not exposing anything. And I've made the point in this thread that the issue for me is about exposing Biden and the Dems hypocrisy on many of these issues. I will repeat.......the issue for me is about exposing Biden's hypocrisy on many of these issues. Since people apparently cannot see them when they pertain to ADOS, perhaps they'll acknowledge them when they come to other

nigga seriously?? you want to know why the president did or didn't do something fast enough... get a plane ticket and a press pass and ask him yourself. I have no idea what it takes to get shit done or why it takes the time it does. thats not even a good debate tactic

Those were rhetorical questions. I know not to ask personally you about anything of substance beyond the general Democratic platform.

as far as why I re-upped the thread? just felt like startin some shit..

No, let's keep it real. You re-upped the thread to cape for Biden.

No need to be dishonest about that. But ask yourself why you feel so compelled to do so. It goes beyond trolling or just feeling like "startin some shit."

 

[geechiedan]

What question did you ask? You made the following statements:





Some answer that question.....those who claim pan-Africanism as well as those who claim socialism. I know Supersav has addressed that question. The main ones who fail to address that question are the anti-ADOS Blue MAGA posters on this board.



I've been clear about my ADOS support on this board for three years. You're not exposing anything. And I've made the point in this thread that the issue for me is about exposing Biden and the Dems hypocrisy on many of these issues. I will repeat.......the issue for me is about exposing Biden's hypocrisy on many of these issues. Since people apparently cannot see them when they pertain to ADOS, perhaps they'll acknowledge them when they come to other



Those were rhetorical questions. I know not to ask personally you about anything of substance beyond the general Democratic platform.



No, let's keep it real. You re-upped the thread to cape for Biden.

No need to be dishonest about that. But ask yourself why you feel so compelled to do so. It goes beyond trolling or just feeling like "startin some shit."

dude I'm in it for the irritation just like you are..be honest

 

[Heavenlywings77]

@VAiz4hustlaz

With all due respect @geechiedan makes sense. I'm having trouble making heads or tails of your ideas on this matter.

 

[geechiedan]

@VAiz4hustlaz

With all due respect @geechiedan makes sense. I'm having trouble making heads or tails of your ideas on this matter.

 

[Supersav]

So let's sum it up...geechie supports Biden and doesn't care about Haitians.

@VAiz4hustlaz points out biden's bullshit and instead of addressing his faults we get a back and forth about nothing

 

[geechiedan]

So let's sum it up...geechie supports Biden and doesn't care about Haitians.

@VAiz4hustlaz points out biden's bullshit and instead of addressing his faults we get a back and forth about nothing

more accurately VAiz4hustlaz doesn't care about black immigrants any more than I do and has stated as much in the past. And he's only nitpicking this issue in some convoluted effort to discourage black people from voting for democrats while at the same time offering no viable alternative choice (something you do as well).

When backed into a corner on that point he deflects and we end up in a back and forth about nothing.

 

[Joe Money]

@VAiz4hustlaz

With all due respect @geechiedan makes sense. I'm having trouble making heads or tails of your ideas on this matter.

Let’s put it this way…..I’m generally agnostic on this particular issue of Haitian immigration. But I am zealous about pointing out when and where the Biden administration or the Democrats generally equivocate or violate their stated positions or their appearance of a position on a given issue. Immigration is just of the many issues where they do this.

Imagine if a Republican administration had deported more Haitians in two months than all of last year. You’d hear constant talk about the racism and xenophobia of the policy. But when it’s a Democratic administration, you hear crickets. And when anyone points out that the same activity is occurring, regardless of the veneer that is placed on it, that person gets vilified as opposed to the policy itself.

When see this right now with issues like immigration, unemployment, student loan debt, support for Israel, reparations, and the like.

So I will keep pointing it out, just as geechie and his minions will keep caping for Biden.

The game is the game……..always.

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Let’s put it this way…..I’m generally agnostic on this particular issue of Haitian immigration. But I am zealous about pointing out when and where the Biden administration or the Democrats generally equivocate or violate their stated positions or their appearance of a position on a given issue. Immigration is just of the many issues where they do this.

Imagine if a Republican administration had deported more Haitians in two months than all of last year. You’d hear constant talk about the racism and xenophobia of the policy. But when it’s a Democratic administration, you hear crickets. And when anyone points out that the same activity is occurring, regardless of the veneer that is placed on it, that person gets vilified as opposed to the policy itself.

When see this right now with issues like immigration, unemployment, student loan debt, support for Israel, reparations, and the like.

So I will keep pointing it out, just as geechie and his minions will keep caping for Biden.

The game is the game……..always.

Hmmm.. I don't like Republicans or democrats. I think it's different sides of the same coin personally as well

 

[geechiedan]

Imagine if it were asians or mexicans that got deported then granted a stay...youd hear crowing about how the democratic administration was coming thru for everyone else BUT black people...in fact the big comment would be why aren't they doing that for haitians? It happens for haitians and the crow is why didn't they do that earlier?? If it were done in jan 22 the complaint would be something else.

this is called internet activism and these guys think they're changing the world by zealously pointing out any nitpick they can find.

 

[Supersav]

. @VAiz4hustlaz

 

[Joe Money]

. @VAiz4hustlaz

Isn't Fauci now saying this as well?

 

[Supersav]

Isn't Fauci now saying this as well?

It's like when a ugly bitch tells you you look good vs when the pretty girl says it

 

[Joe Money]

 

[arnoldwsimmons]

...and it continues.

ICE to step up deportation of Haitians next week, documents say

Next week, ICE plans to fly eight deportation flights to Haiti and will then increase that to 10 per week, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[geechiedan]

...and it continues.

ICE to step up deportation of Haitians next week, documents say

Next week, ICE plans to fly eight deportation flights to Haiti and will then increase that to 10 per week, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

gotta make room for all those afghan refugees coming over....so which one do you want??? haitian refugees from an earthquake and failed state or afghan refugees from a 20 year debacle and failed state??

 

[GAMETHEORY]

 

[RoomService]

We know Herschel

 

[Supersav]

 

[GAMETHEORY]

,,,,,,,,

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

gotta make room for all those afghan refugees coming over....so which one do you want??? haitian refugees from an earthquake and failed state or afghan refugees from a 20 year debacle and failed state??

yep 95K of those sand cacs , and they will get some bread

 

[xfactor]

This bitch don't have nothing to say? Isn't she in the administration? If she don't have nothing to say than I don't have nothing to say. For the record I'm from Louisiana lifelong resident. I can trace my family back 300 or 400 years in Louisiana all Black and none of them from Haiti. I know a lot of Black people in Louisiana and I don't remember any of them stating they have ancestors from Haiti despite what Joy Reid and Tariq Nasheed says.

Not a word out of her although she is a democrat but she is LGBT so that is where she is aligned

 

[blaze]

I don't understand what people want. Haitians been behind the 8-ball since they had to buy their way out of slavery. Then couldn't get recognized by international governments by the world(including the US). So you want America to do what? We can't even fix our own centuries of atrocities and take accountability for that shit. If you ask me France need to take some of them broke ass submarines and fix he mess they made.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

I don't understand what people want. Haitians been behind the 8-ball since they had to buy their way out of slavery. Then couldn't get recognized by international governments by the world(including the US). So you want America to do what? We can't even fix our own centuries of atrocities and take accountability for that shit. If you ask me France need to take some of them broke ass submarines and fix he mess they made.

and yet Aghans are given red carpet treatment

 

[GAMETHEORY]

....

 

[Pimpslap Slim]

Biden fuckin up on every front only 8 months in.
This shit ain't gonna end well.
SMH

 

[blaze]

and yet Aghans are given red carpet treatment

So to my point, that was our mess. Haiti is not our mess....directly.

 

[Supersav]

So to my point, that was our mess. Haiti is not our mess....directly.

You can't be serious. Haiti is definitely our mess directly. We destabilize the country, install puppet presidents who are favorable to the US. And sanction the country that was providing free oil to Haiti to help it survive somewhat

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

I don't understand what people want. Haitians been behind the 8-ball since they had to buy their way out of slavery. Then couldn't get recognized by international governments by the world(including the US). So you want America to do what? We can't even fix our own centuries of atrocities and take accountability for that shit. If you ask me France need to take some of them broke ass submarines and fix he mess they made.

To the bolded. America occupied Haiti since 1915, America is responsible for 90% of what has gone on, is going on in the country. Including of robbing whatever wealth of gold the country had at the time. And when it comes to being recognized by international powers, IDK, may be being the only free black state in the world due to killing the slave masters had something do with it? What do you think? America has done, is doing everything it could, can to make sure Haiti never succeeds. After knowing that, what do you think they should do? What they will do is country to act like Haiti and it's people is the sole reason for it's problems and the peole

 

[godofwine]

So what, you're going to vote Trump because Joe Biden departs Haitians?

 

[Supersav]

So what, you're going to vote Trump because Joe Biden departs Haitians?

You still thinking in terms of good guy bad guy and not looking at the actual actions of both Biden and Trump

 

[gene cisco]

So what, you're going to vote Trump because Joe Biden departs Haitians?

No one is saying that. Fuck Trump. It's just funny how deporting ANYONE was a 'sky is falling' issue with Trump. "Facism!!" Xenophibia. Racism. Remember that? Now, it's back to being a process. If the mean man did half this shit, twitter would melt. Trump was all hype, no substance. Biden about that action. Silent, but effective.

I just find it funny with American politics it matters WHO does or says what as opposed to what is actually done or said.