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when will the people learn all politicians are the enemy?

when will people learn to STOP fighting for a DEMOCRACY

and START FIGHTING FOR A REPUBLIC??

and if they dont know the difference then thats the problem.....

a democracy makes it tooo easy for the financially elite to fuck over the not so financially elite...

Im not saying be a republican..

Im saying as a FORM of GOVT for all the people America needs to be a REPUBLIC!!!

a Republic puts POWER in the hands of the people..

a Democracy make the govt to easy to be manipulated by

the super elite and their think tanks....

Muthafuckas go the whole gotdam world thinkin its over populated....

and you should hear the idiots repeating that stupid shit like its true...

there is waaay too much land and food for the world to be over populated...

and one would have to b a slowtard not to see it

"Key Takeaways: Republic vs. Democracy
  • Republics and democracies both provide a political system in which citizens are represented by elected officials who are sworn to protect their interests.
  • In a pure democracy, laws are made directly by the voting majority leaving the rights of the minority largely unprotected.
  • In a republic, laws are made by representatives chosen the people and must comply with a constitution that specifically protects the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.
  • The United States, while basically a republic, is best described as a “representative democracy.”"
 
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when will the people learn all politicians are the enemy?

when will people learn to STOP fighting for a DEMOCRACY

and START FIGHTING FOR A REPUBLIC??

and if they dont know the difference then thats the problem.....

a democracy makes it tooo easy for the financially elite to fuck over the not so financially elite...

Im not saying be a republican..

Im saying as a FORM of GOVT for all the people America needs to be a REPUBLIC!!!

a Republic puts POWER in the hands of the people..

a Democracy make the govt to easy to be manipulated by

the super elite and their think tanks....

Muthafuckas go the whole gotdam world thinkin its over populated....

and you should hear the idiots repeating that stupid shit like its true...

there is waaay too much land and food for the world to be over populated...

and one would have to b a slowtard not to see it
People don't seem to be learning about these politicians. It's sad. MSM is blatantly encouraging the current system of not holding these crooks accountable. If we had real media, both parties would be flamed into oblivion for not getting relief passed. And no, that's not saying both parties are the same. One has a fucking wish list, while the other is playing scrooge. But these are adults and there is a middle ground.

Face it man. We live among political simps. They just want to wine, dine, and worship these politicians. Don't want a damn thing in return. :smh: If Pelosi passes a standalone for the airlines, it's the ultimate bitch slap to the American people. Meanwhile, MSM will play like a WWE ref and won't see shit.
 
People don't seem to be learning about these politicians. It's sad. MSM is blatantly encouraging the current system of not holding these crooks accountable. If we had real media, both parties would be flamed into oblivion for not getting relief passed. And no, that's not saying both parties are the same. One has a fucking wish list, while the other is playing scrooge. But these are adults and there is a middle ground.

Face it man. We live among political simps. They just want to wine, dine, and worship these politicians. Don't want a damn thing in return. :smh: If Pelosi passes a standalone for the airlines, it's the ultimate bitch slap to the American people. Meanwhile, MSM will play like a WWE ref and won't see shit.

once we allowed fuckin lawyers to be politicians..

we loaded a gun and shot ourselves in the ass..

the only oath any politician should take is FOR THE PEOPLE

if they take any other OATHS then THEY ARE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE...

sorry masons and frat boys.... we know you have other people to answer to,

therefore you are not fit to answer to the people

is how we need to start filtering out our leaders...

but chea,

both parties are fuckin playing us all like monkey

in the middle muthafuckas,

while they toss the stimulus ball back and forth over our

heads.

someday the american people will tire of being the monkey in the middle.

someday..............
 
once we allowed fuckin lawyers to be politicians..

we loaded a gun and shot ourselves in the ass..

the only oath any politician should take is FOR THE PEOPLE

if they take any other OATHS then THEY ARE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE...

sorry masons and frat boys.... we know you have other people to answer to,

therefore you are not fit to answer to the people

is how we need to start filtering out our leaders...

but chea,

both parties are fuckin playing us all like monkey

in the middle muthafuckas,

while they toss the stimulus ball back and forth over our

heads.

someday the american people will tire of being the monkey in the middle.

someday..............
Some of the earlier politicians were lawyers by trade. Ain't really that much of as problem. Lawyers tend to be smart people.

It really was career politicians that fucked the game up. People were supposed to do politics and go back to doing their real career. But even if we keep career politicians, it really boils down to accountability. Are voters going to be fans or act like employers? Grown ass men acting like little girls over politicians. It's about ideas, not people.

These fucks ain't pass a stimulus and are asking for votes? I knew Americans were a special kind of short bus stupid, but this shit is just the most played the people ever been. :smh:
WILL TRUMPS COVID DIAGNOSIS MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN NEGOTIATIONS?
Does Trump getting COVID significantly reduce his chances in the election? If not, it won't matter one bit. This is about the election, not COVID. Trump getting the shit does give Nancy another smokescreen to put down and she's already using it. MSM gives her the pass.

GOP don't give not one fuck. GOP going to GOP. Mitch looking at Trump like Drago looked at Apollo.
 
Some of the earlier politicians were lawyers by trade. Ain't really that much of as problem. Lawyers tend to be smart people.

It really was career politicians that fucked the game up. People were supposed to do politics and go back to doing their real career. But even if we keep career politicians, it really boils down to accountability. Are voters going to be fans or act like employers? Grown ass men acting like little girls over politicians. It's about ideas, not people.

These fucks ain't pass a stimulus and are asking for votes? I knew Americans were a special kind of short bus stupid, but this shit is just the most played the people ever been. :smh:

Does Trump getting COVID significantly reduce his chances in the election? If not, it won't matter one bit. This is about the election, not COVID. Trump getting the shit does give Nancy another smokescreen to put down and she's already using it. MSM gives her the pass.

GOP don't give not one fuck. GOP going to GOP. Mitch looking at Trump like Drago looked at Apollo.

no doubt career politicians are old whores that do more damage than good for the citizzens..

but how can you expect someone to lead your country,

for the overall betterment and welfare of the people,

when they take OATHS to be loyal to another entity....

it just doesnt make any sense no matter how you

slice it up.....

of course not all lawyers are bad, but there has to be rules and protocols to this muthafucka...

too many hidden third parties controlling the rules and protocols that have no business whatsoever doing so.

and why are WE voting on THIER raises???

what da fuck???

we got the game all fuckin twisted and fucked up
 
Democrats and GOP still fighting over $600 jobless benefits. Where things stand

Democrats and Republicans still seem unable to find common ground on enhanced unemployment benefits, more than two months after the expiration of a prior, $600 weekly subsidy that had buoyed household income for millions.
White House officials and senior congressional Democrats are still trying to hammer out details of a fifth financial relief package to help counter the negative economic effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

Unemployment benefits appear to be a key sticking point in the negotiations, despite consensus in other areas like stimulus checks and aid for small businesses.


More than 26 million Americans were receiving jobless benefits as of mid-September, according to most recent data from the U.S. Labor Department.
House Democrats narrowly passed a $2.2 trillion relief package on Thursday that would extend a $600-a-week supplement to unemployment benefits through January 2021.
Federal lawmakers had enacted that weekly enhancement as part of the $2.2 trillion CARES Act relief law in March. That subsidy ended at the end of July.

Meanwhile, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin proposed a $1.6 trillion measure last week in negotiations with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that would include a $400-a-week unemployment supplement. That aid would reportedly last through December.
Senate Republicans had previously proposed a $1.1 trillion measure in July that offered an extra $200 a week in jobless benefits.
‘Tremendous pressure’
It’s unclear whether congressional Republicans would support a $400-a-week policy or a bill with an overall price tag as high as the White House proposal.
“Negotiations are ongoing,” according to a White House spokesman. “The White House continues to reach out to Democrats in good faith to try and reach a deal on delivering relief to American workers.”


Some experts remain hopeful lawmakers can still come to an agreement, especially as unemployment remains high seven months into the economic crisis and the presidential election looms in a month’s time.
“I think there’s tremendous pressure on both sides to pass something,” said Michele Evermore, a senior policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project. “Nobody wants to go home and campaign on, ‘We didn’t give you anything.’”

$600 unemployment
Republicans have criticized the supplement as a disincentive to return to work since it paid many people more than they’d earned on the job.
While anecdotal evidence suggests this may have been the case for some businesses, numerous economic studies found that, in aggregate, the $600 enhancement didn’t discourage people from looking for work or accepting job offers.



“Expanded UI benefits from the CARES Act appeared to be an important source of aggregate stimulus rather than an impediment to labor market improvement,” according to a paper published last month by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
Democrats want to extend the $600 weekly payments, which come on top of state-allotted aid, to help bolster consumer spending and the U.S. economy as signs have emerged that the recovery is sputtering.
“We still have a massive gap in the labor market, and job growth is slowing,” said Heidi Shierholz, director of policy at the Economic Policy Institute and a former chief economist at the Department of Labor during the Obama administration.



The unemployment rate fell to 7.9% in September after businesses added 661,000 jobs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. That rate is down from a 14.7% peak in April, the highest recorded since the Great Depression.
There are 10.7 million fewer jobs now than in February before the pandemic-induced recession, according to the Bureau. The true figure likely exceeds 12 million jobs when factoring in prevailing monthly job-growth trends that had been occurring pre-pandemic, Shierholz said.
Lost Wages Assistance
President Donald Trump appears intent on passing another relief package before the November election.
“OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE,” Trump tweeted Saturday from Walter Reed Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, where he’d been receiving treatment for Covid-19.

The Trump administration had enacted a Lost Wages Assistance program in August that offered a $300 weekly supplement to unemployment benefits for up to six weeks, paid for with federal disaster-relief funds. (A few states paid an extra $100, for a total $400.)
Workers in some states haven’t yet received that aid, however, due to administrative delays. And hundreds of thousands of workers, primarily low-income and part-time workers, weren’t eligible for that money due to program guidelines.
If Congress and the White House reach a deal on unemployment benefits, a relief measure may be delayed by lack of common ground elsewhere, like additional aid for state and local government. And extra jobless aid would likely only last for a few months.
“I do think there’s been some progress made, and now it’s [down to] whether they’ll get something all the way through,” Andrew Stettner, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation, said of relief talks. “Even if this thing passes, they’ll have to come back to it in December or January.”



@gene cisco I thought you said this wasn't about UEC?
Did you see what they arguing about? Here's a clue. It don't have much to do with what the American people are directly getting to hold off financial disaster for households. They both agree to the 1200/500 stimulus and are only 200 apart on the UE(400 vs 600).

Out that 2.2 trillion proposal, how much the American people get? Out the 1.65 counter, how much? American people got long stroked back in Late March with the CARES act and have been bent over for the last 2 months.

Do you think that the 600 billion difference between the 2 is going to the American people? Let me help you with the math. Stimulus checks are about 290 billion and unemployment another 200 billion(for 400 and goes to 300 bill for 600). So they ain't really arguing about money for us. The 200 difference in UE is only about a 100 billion of the 600 billion difference.

If this were about helping the people and not the election, the deal would be done. Republicans going to republican, but follow the math on this one. Folks being sacrificed to secure the election. :smh:

turns out that 200 apart is a pretty big divide..
 
Trump orders aides to halt talks on COVID-19 relief


Trump, who is himself currently being treated for COVID-19, accused Pelosi in a series of tweets Tuesday afternoon of "not negotiating in good faith" and seeking "bailouts" for states he says are poorly run by Democratic officials.


"I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Trump tweeted.

The message marked a sharp reversal for the president, who just three days earlier had urged leaders of both parties to come together to finalize an agreement that can hit his desk before the Nov. 3 elections.

"OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE," Trump tweeted on Saturday afternoon, a day after he checked into the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center to be treated for COVID-19.

Pelosi quickly condemned Trump's move Tuesday, accusing the president of neglecting his office by refusing to provide help to those struggling under the health and economic weight of the pandemic.

"Today, once again, President Trump showed his true colors: putting himself first at the expense of the country, with the full complicity of the GOP Members of Congress," she said in a statement.

The Democratic leader added that the White House "is in complete disarray."

In derailing the talks, Trump seems to be betting that his best shot at reelection is not in getting new emergency funding out the door before Nov. 3, but instead dangling the promise of more aid for after voters go to the polls - particularly if he wins.

The president singled out one area of the talks where both sides have remained far apart for weeks: help for state and local governments. Pelosi is seeking more than $430 billion for those localities, while Republicans have rejected that figure as far too high, wary that Democrats simply want to rescue blue states facing budget crunches as the result of policy decisions made before the pandemic started.

"Nancy Pelosi is asking for $2.4 Trillion Dollars to bailout poorly run, high crime, Democrat States, money that is in no way related to COVID-19," Trump tweeted. "We made a very generous offer of $1.6 Trillion Dollars and, as usual, she is not negotiating in good faith."

The strategy is a risky one. Millions of Americans remain out of work; thousands of businesses are on the brink of collapse; and American consumers have been wary of returning to restaurants, theaters and public transit, even in regions where they've reopened.

Earlier Tuesday, Jerome Powell, head of the Federal Reserve, warned that the long-term effects on the economy could be devastating if Congress fails to act quickly with more emergency relief - comments not overlooked by Pelosi, who has leaned heavily on Powell's grim forecasts as leverage throughout the talks. And stocks immediately plunged after Trump announced he would call off the negotiations until after the election, which is now four weeks away.

Trump's tweets came shortly after the president hosted a call with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and top congressional Republicans - Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) - about the status of the talks.

McConnell and McCarthy have both been cold to the idea of adopting another massive round of stimulus. And the fact that it was their message, not Mnuchin's, that resonated with the president is some indication of the level of Republican distrust in the Treasury secretary, who has come under fire from the GOP in earlier negotiations for giving away too much to Pelosi.

Trump's actions appeared to come as a surprise to Pelosi and the Democrats. Mnuchin has been speaking daily with Pelosi, and just minutes before Trump's tweets, Pelosi told rank-and-file Democrats on a private conference call that she and Mnuchin continued to make progress and that she was waiting to hear back from the White House on state and local funding and other Democratic priorities.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told Democrats on the same call that the House could be called back to Washington as early as next week to vote if such a deal materialized. In a brief courtesy call Tuesday afternoon, Mnuchin confirmed to Pelosi that Trump had called off the talks, an aide said.

"I'm incredulous," moderate Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) told The Hill after Trump's tweet. "Given President Trump's own COVID diagnosis and his earlier comments in support of a bill with 'much higher numbers' it is confounding and unconscionable that he would suddenly order a cessation of negotiations over a much-needed COVID-19 relief bill."

"American families and America's small businesses are hurting and cannot afford even more delays - especially when a deal is within reach," Phillips said.

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday afternoon, McConnell said that he supports Trump's decision.

"I think his view was that they were not going to produce a result, and we needed to concentrate on what's achievable," McConnell said.

Trump is currently trailing Democratic nominee Joe Biden in national and swing-state polling. The president's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has been a central issue in the election.

Mnuchin and White House chief of staff Mark Meadows have been negotiating with Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) since late July on a fifth bipartisan coronavirus relief package but have been unsuccessful in reaching an agreement.

The president has remained largely on the sidelines in the negotiations, allowing Meadows and Mnuchin to take the lead on the discussions.

Trump and Pelosi have a particularly chilly relationship and have not had a meaningful conversation for an entire year. In lieu of a deal in August, Trump signed a handful of executive orders aimed at halting federal evictions, extending expanded unemployment benefits and deferring the payroll tax.

The president returned to the White House on Monday evening after 72 hours of treatment for the coronavirus at Walter Reed. Trump, who was diagnosed with the virus on Thursday, has sought to project an image of strength by showing that he has returned to work amid his illness.

Trump has also urged Americans not to fear the virus or allow it to "dominate" their lives, remarks that have been met with scrutiny from health experts who argue that he has dangerously minimized the threat from COVID-19.

 
Democrats and GOP still fighting over $600 jobless benefits. Where things stand

Democrats and Republicans still seem unable to find common ground on enhanced unemployment benefits, more than two months after the expiration of a prior, $600 weekly subsidy that had buoyed household income for millions.
White House officials and senior congressional Democrats are still trying to hammer out details of a fifth financial relief package to help counter the negative economic effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

Unemployment benefits appear to be a key sticking point in the negotiations, despite consensus in other areas like stimulus checks and aid for small businesses.


More than 26 million Americans were receiving jobless benefits as of mid-September, according to most recent data from the U.S. Labor Department.
House Democrats narrowly passed a $2.2 trillion relief package on Thursday that would extend a $600-a-week supplement to unemployment benefits through January 2021.
Federal lawmakers had enacted that weekly enhancement as part of the $2.2 trillion CARES Act relief law in March. That subsidy ended at the end of July.

Meanwhile, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin proposed a $1.6 trillion measure last week in negotiations with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that would include a $400-a-week unemployment supplement. That aid would reportedly last through December.
Senate Republicans had previously proposed a $1.1 trillion measure in July that offered an extra $200 a week in jobless benefits.
‘Tremendous pressure’
It’s unclear whether congressional Republicans would support a $400-a-week policy or a bill with an overall price tag as high as the White House proposal.
“Negotiations are ongoing,” according to a White House spokesman. “The White House continues to reach out to Democrats in good faith to try and reach a deal on delivering relief to American workers.”


Some experts remain hopeful lawmakers can still come to an agreement, especially as unemployment remains high seven months into the economic crisis and the presidential election looms in a month’s time.
“I think there’s tremendous pressure on both sides to pass something,” said Michele Evermore, a senior policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project. “Nobody wants to go home and campaign on, ‘We didn’t give you anything.’”

$600 unemployment
Republicans have criticized the supplement as a disincentive to return to work since it paid many people more than they’d earned on the job.
While anecdotal evidence suggests this may have been the case for some businesses, numerous economic studies found that, in aggregate, the $600 enhancement didn’t discourage people from looking for work or accepting job offers.



“Expanded UI benefits from the CARES Act appeared to be an important source of aggregate stimulus rather than an impediment to labor market improvement,” according to a paper published last month by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
Democrats want to extend the $600 weekly payments, which come on top of state-allotted aid, to help bolster consumer spending and the U.S. economy as signs have emerged that the recovery is sputtering.
“We still have a massive gap in the labor market, and job growth is slowing,” said Heidi Shierholz, director of policy at the Economic Policy Institute and a former chief economist at the Department of Labor during the Obama administration.



The unemployment rate fell to 7.9% in September after businesses added 661,000 jobs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. That rate is down from a 14.7% peak in April, the highest recorded since the Great Depression.
There are 10.7 million fewer jobs now than in February before the pandemic-induced recession, according to the Bureau. The true figure likely exceeds 12 million jobs when factoring in prevailing monthly job-growth trends that had been occurring pre-pandemic, Shierholz said.
Lost Wages Assistance
President Donald Trump appears intent on passing another relief package before the November election.
“OUR GREAT USA WANTS & NEEDS STIMULUS. WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE,” Trump tweeted Saturday from Walter Reed Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, where he’d been receiving treatment for Covid-19.

The Trump administration had enacted a Lost Wages Assistance program in August that offered a $300 weekly supplement to unemployment benefits for up to six weeks, paid for with federal disaster-relief funds. (A few states paid an extra $100, for a total $400.)
Workers in some states haven’t yet received that aid, however, due to administrative delays. And hundreds of thousands of workers, primarily low-income and part-time workers, weren’t eligible for that money due to program guidelines.
If Congress and the White House reach a deal on unemployment benefits, a relief measure may be delayed by lack of common ground elsewhere, like additional aid for state and local government. And extra jobless aid would likely only last for a few months.
“I do think there’s been some progress made, and now it’s [down to] whether they’ll get something all the way through,” Andrew Stettner, a senior fellow at the Century Foundation, said of relief talks. “Even if this thing passes, they’ll have to come back to it in December or January.”



@gene cisco I thought you said this wasn't about UEC?


turns out that 200 apart is a pretty big divide..
I said it shouldn't be about the unemployment. $400 is generous as hell for a UE rate in the 7-8 percent range. Go look at the plan that democrats put forth that tied the money to the UE percent. What does it have for 7-8 percent? Sure as shit wasn't 600. That was reserved for UE over 10 percent. It was in the 400 range.

And damn near everyone agreed that was the best fucking offer.

All this doesn't matter now. Trump called off talks. Pelosi won. Someone must have finally convinced Trump's stubborn ass that the stimulus won't hit in time to help him for the election. The economy numbers would be looking strong as fuck had they passed it in August.
 
I said it shouldn't be about the unemployment. $400 is generous as hell for a UE rate in the 7-8 percent range.
What part of Mississippi, Arkansas, Idaho or Utah do you live in? That's not even moving the needle in real cities with big populations. Whole industries are shut down. Many middle class people are out of work who made more than UE+$600.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this.
Plus, they recently changed how they display the UE numbers, so that figure is manipulated. The numbers are based on new UE applications. The true rate is much higher.
 
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What part of Mississippi, Arkansas, Idaho or Utah do you live in? That's not even moving the needle in real cities with big populations. Whole industries are shut down. Many middle class people are out of work who made more than UI+600.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this.
Plus, they recently changed how they display the UE numbers, so that figure is manipulated. The numbers are based on new UE applications. The true rate is much higher.
You're not getting it. GOP isn't coming off the 600. Not even with UE at 15 percent. Understand? So what part of the solar system do you live in where 0 is better than 400? Where do you live where people can wait for 600 to come in January(when dems control senate) while saying fuck September, Oct, Nov, and december?

Where do you live that the 400 boost to the economy wouldn't be better than 0 during the holiday season? :confused:

This is not an all or nothing to families on the brink. You take the 400 if you give a fuck and aren't playing politics. Now it's nothing until January. You and I will survive that, but SOME won't and it will be from big city to rural people. And the economy is going to take a hit.
 
You're not getting it. GOP isn't coming off the 600. Not even with UE at 15 percent. Understand? So what part of the solar system do you live in where 0 is better than 400? Where do you live where people can wait for 600 to come in January(when dems control senate) while saying fuck September, Oct, Nov, and december?

Where do you live that the 400 boost to the economy wouldn't be better than 0 during the holiday season? :confused:

This is not an all or nothing to families on the brink. You take the 400 if you give a fuck and aren't playing politics. Now it's nothing until January. You and I will survive that, but SOME won't and it will be from big city to rural people. And the economy is going to take a hit.
so whats the big deal over 200 dollars? honestly? 600 back in march....600 now..whats the difference??

the same GOP that's stonewalling this is the same GOP that bailed out banks and airlines MULTIPLE TIMES.. so you tell me what the difference is?? And why do you keep excusing the GOP in all of this??
 
You're not getting it. GOP isn't coming off the 600. Not even with UE at 15 percent. Understand? So what part of the solar system do you live in where 0 is better than 400? Where do you live where people can wait for 600 to come in January(when dems control senate) while saying fuck September, Oct, Nov, and december?

Where do you live that the 400 boost to the economy wouldn't be better than 0 during the holiday season? :confused:

This is not an all or nothing to families on the brink. You take the 400 if you give a fuck and aren't playing politics. Now it's nothing until January. You and I will survive that, but SOME won't and it will be from big city to rural people. And the economy is going to take a hit.
Republicans keep changing what they have issues with. At first it was the 400 vs 600, then it was money to state and local governments, now its people with TINs and not SSNs. It really looks like they are the ones playing politics with the "its 400 or nothing, oh by the way, not to people with TINs and no money to state and local governments."
Pelosi is stubborn as fuck with her "let 'em eat cake" attitude but she, Mnuchin and McConnell are all millionaires and none of them really give a fuck.
Let's see Wall Street's clapback now that Don has tanked the stock market. They're about to go in.
 
so whats the big deal over 200 dollars? honestly? 600 back in march....600 now..whats the difference??

the same GOP that's stonewalling this is the same GOP that bailed out banks and airlines MULTIPLE TIMES.. so you tell me what the difference is?? And why do you keep excusing the GOP in all of this??
The difference is that the hillbilly states pay their workers crumbs and hold that over them in a unified front. The rich have always had the attitude of "keep poor people poor" and never let them get a taste. Keep 'em struggling.
McConnell and his cohorts all run those states while most high density states are blue, are more expensive but also pay people higher wages because they have to. You can't earn what a Kentucky fast food worker earns and live in San Francisco. You won't make it. You can make what a Seattle fast food worker makes and have enough money to live in Durham, N.C. ($15/hr vs. 7.25/hr). "Never let 'em make enough to do better or be able to leave" is the Dixie republican strategy. That 400 is more than what they wanted to agree to. 600 puts some workers in another tax bracket and gives them options.
 
so whats the big deal over 200 dollars? honestly? 600 back in march....600 now..whats the difference??

the same GOP that's stonewalling this is the same GOP that bailed out banks and airlines MULTIPLE TIMES.. so you tell me what the difference is?? And why do you keep excusing the GOP in all of this??

Are you being purposefully obtuse? I'm not excusing the GOP. I'm being fucking realistic. If you can get those evil cocksuckers to come off of 400, you take the fucking deal. Period. Fuck is so hard to understand about that? Going into this the GOP was at 200 to 600. Everyone with some fucking sense knew that 400 was the endgame for realistic negotiations.

Not once have I excused the GOP. I've compared them to the role of a DA who wants to send a person to jail while Pelosi supposed to be OUR lawyer and negotiate the best outcome knowing that shit. Jesus fuckign christ. This ain't rocket science. It's bullshit politics.
Republicans keep changing what they have issues with. At first it was the 400 vs 600, then it was money to state and local governments, now its people with TINs and not SSNs. It really looks like they are the ones playing politics with the "its 400 or nothing, oh by the way, not to people with TINs and no money to state and local governments."
Pelosi is stubborn as fuck with her "let 'em eat cake" attitude but she, Mnuchin and McConnell are all millionaires and none of them really give a fuck.
Let's see Wall Street's clapback now that Don has tanked the stock market. They're about to go in.

No, GOP ain't change shit they had a problem with. It's always been that disincentive to work shit with UE and the state and local. 20 senators say they don't want anything above 0. Look at my comments in this thread. It's basically been the same topics. GOP went up in both state and local and UE. Cocksuckers are at numbers everyone thought would be middle ground. Hundreds of billions for state and local and 400 UE.

Yeah, they are millionaires playing politics. It's obvious no one gives a fuck. Politics first, corporations next, people can go fuck themselves. :smh:

The good news? Now dems have to pass that huge bill they passed in May. So looks like everyone will get 2400 per adult, 1200 per child,, and 600 in January. Until that time, kick rocks. Cold winter.
 
so whats the big deal over 200 dollars? honestly? 600 back in march....600 now..whats the difference??

the same GOP that's stonewalling this is the same GOP that bailed out banks and airlines MULTIPLE TIMES.. so you tell me what the difference is?? And why do you keep excusing the GOP in all of this??
Its simple and plain: They don't want to give anything. Them mumble mouth mothafuckers haven't even passed their own bill and attempted to dare the House to reject it. They don't want to do shit.
 
Dude is about to be King petty....

"Oh I didn't get re-elected, I'm taking my ball and going home. Let them pass a bill after January"
 
Are you being purposefully obtuse? I'm not excusing the GOP. I'm being fucking realistic. If you can get those evil cocksuckers to come off of 400, you take the fucking deal. Period. Fuck is so hard to understand about that? Going into this the GOP was at 200 to 600. Everyone with some fucking sense knew that 400 was the endgame for realistic negotiations.

Not once have I excused the GOP. I've compared them to the role of a DA who wants to send a person to jail while Pelosi supposed to be OUR lawyer and negotiate the best outcome knowing that shit. Jesus fuckign christ. This ain't rocket science. It's bullshit politics.

The only people paying politics here is the GOP....polosi has never wavered off the 600 bucks...economic experts said the 600 helped and has a positive effect on the economy and anything less wouldn't help as much.

when it started this summer the Dems said 600....the GOP said 400...then the Dems said 600...and the GOP introduced a "skinny bill" and said 200...then the Dems said 600...and the GOP came back up to 400...

That's game playing and bullshit and you know it. And as I said before and we all know the GOP has no problem bailing out Wallstreet but poor street gets shit and supposed to be grateful for that. And while you have called the GOP insulting names you also would cave to them on their bullshit and that's essentially giving them a pass. Now that's not being obtuse that's looking at how that shit went down.
 
The only people paying politics here is the GOP....polosi has never wavered off the 600 bucks...economic experts said the 600 helped and has a positive effect on the economy and anything less wouldn't help as much.

when it started this summer the Dems said 600....the GOP said 400...then the Dems said 600...and the GOP introduced a "skinny bill" and said 200...then the Dems said 600...and the GOP came back up to 400...

That's game playing and bullshit and you know it. And as I said before and we all know the GOP has no problem bailing out Wallstreet but poor street gets shit and supposed to be grateful for that. And while you have called the GOP insulting names you also would cave to them on their bullshit and that's essentially giving them a pass. Now that's not being obtuse that's looking at how that shit went down.
You're not even based in reality. I already broke down the math of the money. The difference between the 1.6 vs 2.2. I showed how much was going directly to the people, so cut the shit. People directly would get 100 billiion for the 200 diff in UE. Where the fuck is the other 500 going? Shit. Go Deeper. Where is the other trillion going that was shaved off to get to 2.2? Well, lets go deeper? How much did the American people get of those trillions in spring? :hmm:

BOTH parties broke off the corporations. Go look at any fucking impartial breakdown of the CARES acts and folks will show how the American people got horsefucked. Just the fact you saying it's ONLY the GOP beholden to corporations shows how naive you are on this matter.

All that state and local shit keeps fat cats happy at the local level. See how quick Pelosi tried to do standalone for the airlines? But wait, what about a standalone 1200/500? She couldn't do that, remember. Out her own fucking mouth. That was a no-go. Same with UE. And you claim only the GOP played politics. :cmonson:

You idealistic cheerleading and it shows. Wallstreet don't eat off dems, huh? That's the hill you want to die on? So when the markets kick up after the dems win the election, why the fuck will that be? Out that 3 trillion bill they SHOULD pass in Janurary, how much goes DIRECTLY to the American people. I think 800 billion with the 600 and 2400/1200 stimulus. Who gets the other trillions?

And caving to their bullshit? People need that money NOW. Go ask people who can't keep their phones on, food in the cupboards, and roofs over their head if they would rather have $400 extra per week or 0. FOH.

Ideally, they pass bill for help NOW and then come back in January and do the wish list. But since Pelosi CLEARLY played politics to crush Trump(something you admitted earlier in this thread and said it wasn't a bad thing for the greater good), that path was never an option. Seeing you already admitted the greater good thing, why you doubling down on your current stance?
 
You're not even based in reality. I already broke down the math of the money. The difference between the 1.6 vs 2.2. I showed how much was going directly to the people, so cut the shit. People directly would get 100 billiion for the 200 diff in UE. Where the fuck is the other 500 going? Shit. Go Deeper. Where is the other trillion going that was shaved off to get to 2.2? Well, lets go deeper? How much did the American people get of those trillions in spring? :hmm:

BOTH parties broke off the corporations. Go look at any fucking impartial breakdown of the CARES acts and folks will show how the American people got horsefucked. Just the fact you saying it's ONLY the GOP beholden to corporations shows how naive you are on this matter.

All that state and local shit keeps fat cats happy at the local level. See how quick Pelosi tried to do standalone for the airlines? But wait, what about a standalone 1200/500? She couldn't do that, remember. Out her own fucking mouth. That was a no-go. Same with UE. And you claim only the GOP played politics. :cmonson:

You idealistic cheerleading and it shows. Wallstreet don't eat off dems, huh? That's the hill you want to die on? So when the markets kick up after the dems win the election, why the fuck will that be? Out that 3 trillion bill they SHOULD pass in Janurary, how much goes DIRECTLY to the American people. I think 800 billion with the 600 and 2400/1200 stimulus. Who gets the other trillions?

And caving to their bullshit? People need that money NOW. Go ask people who can't keep their phones on, food in the cupboards, and roofs over their head if they would rather have $400 extra per week or 0. FOH.

Ideally, they pass bill for help NOW and then come back in January and do the wish list. But since Pelosi CLEARLY played politics to crush Trump(something you admitted earlier in this thread and said it wasn't a bad thing for the greater good), that path was never an option. Seeing you already admitted the greater good thing, why you doubling down on your current stance?

Do you realize that its the GOP that broke off the talks and therefore they are the ones who are to blame for people getting 0.00$?
 
Do you realize that its the GOP that broke off the talks and therefore they are the ones who are to blame for people getting 0.00$?
Jesus christ. They weren't going to strike a deal.

Answer one question if you think Pelosi was arguing for you in good faith.

Why was she willing to do a stand alone bill for airlines, but not for UE or direct pay stimulus. Just answer that.
 
Jesus christ. They weren't going to strike a deal.

Answer one question if you think Pelosi was arguing for you in good faith.

Why was she willing to do a stand alone bill for airlines, but not for UE or direct pay stimulus. Just answer that.

They werent gonna strike a deal because Trump said so? You take him at his word on that? There is no real reason to put the brakes on now. I dont care what Trump told you.

One side decided they were taking their ball and going home. That means they are literally NOT TRYING anything. Theres nothing to defend here.

I dont look at politicians as fighting for me. Its not personal. One plan benefits me more then the other plan on the table. Point blank period.

By the way, we dont know whats gonna happen in November. You saying they should just say yes now and then change it in January (as if it was that simple) doesnt make sense, since no one knows wtf will happen with the congress, senate or presidency.
 
You're not even based in reality. I already broke down the math of the money. The difference between the 1.6 vs 2.2. I showed how much was going directly to the people, so cut the shit. People directly would get 100 billiion for the 200 diff in UE. Where the fuck is the other 500 going? Shit. Go Deeper. Where is the other trillion going that was shaved off to get to 2.2? Well, lets go deeper? How much did the American people get of those trillions in spring? :hmm:

BOTH parties broke off the corporations. Go look at any fucking impartial breakdown of the CARES acts and folks will show how the American people got horsefucked. Just the fact you saying it's ONLY the GOP beholden to corporations shows how naive you are on this matter.

All that state and local shit keeps fat cats happy at the local level. See how quick Pelosi tried to do standalone for the airlines? But wait, what about a standalone 1200/500? She couldn't do that, remember. Out her fucking mouth. That was a no-go. Same with UE. And you claim only the GOP played politics. :cmonson:

yep all the fat cats got broken off proper from both parties...I'm not naive to that at all. Yet working-class and poor people get a fraction of that and you think WE US that includes YOU TOO....should take LESS???

You idealistic cheerleading and it shows. Wallstreet don't eat off dems, huh? That's the hill you want to die on? So when the markets kick up after the dems win the election, why the fuck will that be? Out that 3 trillion bill they SHOULD pass in Janurary, how much goes DIRECTLY to the American people. I think 800 billion with the 600 and 2400/1200 stimulus. Who gets the other trillions?
WHO GIVES A SHIT..who got the trillions from the last bail out? what did you do to stop it? So stop harping about "who gets the other trillions" that's the fiscal version of "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!" you didn't care before so why do you care now??

And caving to their bullshit? People need that money NOW. Go ask people who can't keep their phones on, food in the cupboards, and roofs over their head if they would rather have $400 extra per week or 0. FOH.
my UE ran out a couple of weeks ago...so who are you talking to?? people got notices for other emergency funds they're not gonna let people starve...

Ideally, they pass bill for help NOW and then come back in January and do the wish list. But since Pelosi CLEARLY played politics to crush Trump(something you admitted earlier in this thread and said it wasn't a bad thing for the greater good), that path was never an option. Seeing you already admitted the greater good thing, why you doubling down on your current stance?
I'm doubling down becuz 1200/600 during a pandemic is reasonable...becuz we should get the MAXIMUM of what we can get and becuz I'm tired of seeing the Dems cave to assholes.
 
They werent gonna strike a deal because Trump said so? You take him at his word on that? There is no real reason to put the brakes on now. I dont care what Trump told you.

One side decided they were taking their ball and going home. That means they are literally NOT TRYING anything. Theres nothing to defend here.

I dont look at politicians as fighting for me. Its not personal. One plan benefits me more then the other plan on the table. Point blank period.

By the way, we dont know whats gonna happen in November. You saying they should just say yes now and then change it in January (as if it was that simple) doesnt make sense, since no one knows wtf will happen with the congress, senate or presidency.
So it's me taking Trump at his word when I just fucking showed you Nancy's blatant hypocrisy on the standalone bills and you're fucking crickets on that. Just totally ignore any points that don't fit the narrative.

It's not about me believing Trump. I've been following this from a lot of sources. You obviously haven't. They weren't just 600 billion apart on the math. They were also far apart on the language.

Yeah, I get it. One plan benefits me a helluvalot more too. But that plan isn't grounded in the current reality. A middle ground is. We know who the GOP is, but if you couldn't see the politics Pelosi was doing you just don't recognize game and believe her bullshit. Bitch is literally full of shit.

Now Trump offers another standalone to Pelosi. Publicly. It's 1200/500 direct payments to the people. Mind you, she just offered a standalone for the airlines. If she ain't on politics, she publicly accepts that shit, right? Everyone wants direct fucking payments, correct? So now we see who the fuck is bullshitting.

As for after Novemeber, yes I'm saying take money now. People need that shit. Not anyone in benz land BGOL, but regular folks need it. If dems sweep in Nov, do another in January. If they don't, ain't much can be done but at least people got something.
 
So it's me taking Trump at his word when I just fucking showed you Nancy's blatant hypocrisy on the standalone bills and you're fucking crickets on that. Just totally ignore any points that don't fit the narrative.

It's not about me believing Trump. I've been following this from a lot of sources. You obviously haven't. They weren't just 600 billion apart on the math. They were also far apart on the language.

Yeah, I get it. One plan benefits me a helluvalot more too. But that plan isn't grounded in the current reality. A middle ground is. We know who the GOP is, but if you couldn't see the politics Pelosi was doing you just don't recognize game and believe her bullshit. Bitch is literally full of shit.

Now Trump offers another standalone to Pelosi. Publicly. It's 1200/500 direct payments to the people. Mind you, she just offered a standalone for the airlines. If she ain't on politics, she publicly accepts that shit, right? Everyone wants direct fucking payments, correct? So now we see who the fuck is bullshitting.

As for after Novemeber, yes I'm saying take money now. People need that shit. Not anyone in benz land BGOL, but regular folks need it. If dems sweep in Nov, do another in January. If they don't, ain't much can be done but at least people got something.

Dude...

Listen to me...

There is no narrative.

I dont care about Pelosi anymore than I care about Trump.

There are two bills on the table. Yes they are far apart, they always start off that way anyways.

Then they negotiate. That includes all the posturing, the mud slinging, the truth bending, all the dirty shit politicians do to get the public on their side.

Then at the end they compromise and end up with a bill.

This time, Trump said he's not gonna bother.

You believe him when he says its because it wasnt gonna be possible.

I dont.

I believe its simply because he doesnt want to risk giving a W to the Dems so close to the election.

Whatever the truth is regarding that, I cant support the side that leaves the table.
 
So TODAY(10/7/20) Pelosi said she's open to passing a standalone on airlines(corporations) BUT she is not willing to pass a standalone for direct payment to the people on fucking numbers both sides have already fucking agreed upon. :hmm: No, this ain't 'believing' Trump. Bitch got some people and the MSM so far up her ass she has the balls to say this publicly.

Jesus fucking christ if some of you cats don't get the politics of this by now you're fucking hopeless. It's some cult-like shit. She never, ever, ever wanted PEOPLE to get money before the fucking election. What more fucking evidence do cult members need?
 
Jesus christ. They weren't going to strike a deal.

Answer one question if you think Pelosi was arguing for you in good faith.

Why was she willing to do a stand alone bill for airlines, but not for UE or direct pay stimulus. Just answer that.
Because a payment to the airline keeps people employed, thereby not adding even more people to the unemployment rolls. The 1200 dollars isn't only going to people who are unemployed but to those who are employed and make less than 75k.
 
Because a payment to the airline keeps people employed, thereby not adding even more people to the unemployment rolls. The 1200 dollars isn't only going to people who are unemployed but to those who are employed and make less than 75k.
What you going on about? It's helping 200 million people vs 10s of thousands. Fuck is there even to talk about? The bitch does have the option to do both. There is nothing to defend here.
 
the BLUE hat MAGAs are just as brainwashed as the RED hat MAGAs and the end result will be the same for both. Willing pawns for the rich.

So TODAY(10/7/20) Pelosi said she's open to passing a standalone on airlines(corporations) BUT she is not willing to pass a standalone for direct payment to the people on fucking numbers both sides have already fucking agreed upon. :hmm: No, this ain't 'believing' Trump. Bitch got some people and the MSM so far up her ass she has the balls to say this publicly.

Jesus fucking christ if some of you cats don't get the politics of this by now you're fucking hopeless. It's some cult-like shit. She never, ever, ever wanted PEOPLE to get money before the fucking election. What more fucking evidence do cult members need?
 
Because a payment to the airline keeps people employed, thereby not adding even more people to the unemployment rolls. The 1200 dollars isn't only going to people who are unemployed but to those who are employed and make less than 75k.
That’s a lie. They’re already cutting jobs. These corporations will pocket the money and let people go. Stop falling for the tricks.
 
That’s a lie. They’re already cutting jobs. These corporations will pocket the money and let people go. Stop falling for the tricks.
Yes they are cutting jobs because they have yet to receive aid. They don't plan on receiving aid and therefore they're either cutting jobs or furloughing workers.
 
the BLUE hat MAGAs are just as brainwashed as the RED hat MAGAs and the end result will be the same for both. Willing pawns for the rich.
That’s a lie. They’re already cutting jobs. These corporations will pocket the money and let people go. Stop falling for the tricks.
This shit is very MAGA like. Cats actually brightsiding this shit. :smh: Corporations get paid off to MAYBE keep jobs. Best believe if they keep employees they get money.

Meanwhile, DIRECT payments are a no-go with the numbers already set. FOH.
 
So TODAY(10/7/20) Pelosi said she's open to passing a standalone on airlines(corporations) BUT she is not willing to pass a standalone for direct payment to the people on fucking numbers both sides have already fucking agreed upon. :hmm: No, this ain't 'believing' Trump. Bitch got some people and the MSM so far up her ass she has the balls to say this publicly.

Jesus fucking christ if some of you cats don't get the politics of this by now you're fucking hopeless. It's some cult-like shit. She never, ever, ever wanted PEOPLE to get money before the fucking election. What more fucking evidence do cult members need?

yea we know its all corporations that run the show...

but while both parties are really low key faggot lovers, behind closed doors....

the dems one upped the repubs.... stupid repubs played right into the dems hands....

dumb fools walked away.....

instead of reversing the psychological mind fuck and signing off on it...

and nullify the dems attempt at exposing them as not giving a fuck about the people.

at least the demoncrats took time out to acknowledge the frontline workers so called

essential workers who are called heros but treated like fuckin suckers...

at least they are tryin to balance shit out...

how you giving unemployement workers a bonus, but the muthafuckas on the frontline just get called a hero, and ignored....

thats why nobody takes none of this shit seriously, but at least the demoncrats but themselves in position to not just take the presidency..

but get the whole shabang...

by the repunklikkklans walking away, we just may see a repeat of 2008.

dems getting house and senate.

and if they waste time with that fuckin stupid bipartisan bullshit.... and go reaching out to the republikkklans only to get shitted on again and again by them....

they will just prove non voters right again and again.

its all just one big monkey show. and the repubs just might have given away all the tickets to the opening act.

stupid repubs allowed the dems too one up them they got to thirsty for supreme court pickings.... and lost focus

all they did was push trump further back in the polls
 
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