Do you agree with these statements about immigration?

Do you agree or disagree?

  • Agree- “Trump did a better job [of ensuring] a secure border. … Biden didn't do it.”

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Disagree- “If you don’t have any borders, you don’t have a nation.”

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Disagree- “Trump did a better job [of ensuring] a secure border. … Biden didn't do it.”

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    3

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Yes, Bernie Sanders voted against H.R. 4437 in 2005, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act, which included measures to strengthen border enforcement and add fencing. He also opposed the 2024 bipartisan Border Act (S.4361), citing concerns over tied foreign aid, despite its provisions for expedited border security funding and asylum restrictions. His record shows support for some fencing in 2006 but consistent resistance to bills emphasizing strict enforcement without broader reforms.



Bernie Sanders has long maintained that nations require borders to safeguard domestic workers from exploitation, as evidenced by his 2015 critique of "open borders" as a corporate ploy to suppress wages. His opposition to bills like H.R. 4437 (2005) and the 2024 bipartisan deal stemmed from demands for paired reforms, not outright rejection of security—though this stalled enforcement. The timing of his praise for Trump's approach amid Biden's failures and rising public demand suggests tactical adaptation, but aligns with his consistent rhetoric, making full disingenuousness unlikely; it's more ideological consistency meeting political reality.



Bernie Sanders voted for the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which expanded border enforcement and penalties for illegal entry. He also supported S.744 in 2013, authorizing more border agents, technology, and fencing as part of comprehensive reform. Rhetorically, Sanders has consistently advocated secure borders to shield U.S. workers from wage suppression, as in his 2015 remark that open borders serve corporate interests over American labor.
 






Yes, Bernie Sanders voted against H.R. 4437 in 2005, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act, which included measures to strengthen border enforcement and add fencing. He also opposed the 2024 bipartisan Border Act (S.4361), citing concerns over tied foreign aid, despite its provisions for expedited border security funding and asylum restrictions. His record shows support for some fencing in 2006 but consistent resistance to bills emphasizing strict enforcement without broader reforms.



Bernie Sanders has long maintained that nations require borders to safeguard domestic workers from exploitation, as evidenced by his 2015 critique of "open borders" as a corporate ploy to suppress wages. His opposition to bills like H.R. 4437 (2005) and the 2024 bipartisan deal stemmed from demands for paired reforms, not outright rejection of security—though this stalled enforcement. The timing of his praise for Trump's approach amid Biden's failures and rising public demand suggests tactical adaptation, but aligns with his consistent rhetoric, making full disingenuousness unlikely; it's more ideological consistency meeting political reality.



Bernie Sanders voted for the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which expanded border enforcement and penalties for illegal entry. He also supported S.744 in 2013, authorizing more border agents, technology, and fencing as part of comprehensive reform. Rhetorically, Sanders has consistently advocated secure borders to shield U.S. workers from wage suppression, as in his 2015 remark that open borders serve corporate interests over American labor.

Never mind the borders.....
This Nigha done tore the White House down......

A false dichotomy is a logical fallacy that presents only two options when more exist, oversimplifying a situation into an "either-or" choice <-------- A.K.A. the second part of your question.

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Never mind the borders.....
This Nigha done tore the White House down......

A false dichotomy is a logical fallacy that presents only two options when more exist, oversimplifying a situation into an "either-or" choice <-------- A.K.A. the second part of your question.

:lol: :lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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What is wrong with asking agree or disagree?

Trump has broken so many of your brains. This is an immigration thread and you're posting pictures of construction at the White House. :smh:

You didn't explain a third option, you just went off on some totally unrelated shit.
 
Of course you need borders to define the physical parameters of a nation, city, state, country, continent, etc.

Philosophical borders are another matter and too complicated to get into.

Here's one Black man's opinion - No fucking body gets in until you address the systematized racism in this country. Close the borders. Your country is crime-ridden and corrupt? Well, change that shit. Don't come here with your problems. NO MORE anchor babies.

I am sick and fucking tired of everybody but Black people getting turned up. Centuries of abuse got me triggered like a mugg so fuck 'em all except Black people.

And fuck a whole bunch of coon ass Black people.
 
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