BGOL’s influx of Anti Voting, Anti Democrat, Anti Obama Plants

[Ninja05]

I agree, but I'm just saying if they are going to do it, do it so it gets attention and moves them in the direction of their goal (vague as it is).

Normally, if a name gets at least 1% of the vote, the name gets posted in the results. Third party votes where one person writes in Mickey Mouse, another Popeye etc is wasted AND goes unnoticed. So they need to show they made an impact. If they participate in exit polls they can say who they voted for a why, getting news coverage and attention. Right now they are just saying sit out, and they won't be noticed doing that.

Even if people sit out in large numbers, there is no way to prove that was because they want a specific agenda passed. Trying to take credit for folks not showing up after the fact is silly. If they do a coordinated campaign, then they can say we came, but you didn't earn my vote and then go on to tell candidates how to do so. I don't think this election is the one to mess around with, Trump is too dangerous imo, I'm just saying if you're going to do it, have some strategy about it. These folks have no plan, no strategy to win, then get pissed because people who think past emotion in pursuit of action and results don't take them seriously.

That’s the point. It’s easier to say don’t vote rather than have a coordinated campaign. The reason why the ADOS movement’s message of not voting is so crazy (not the idea of reparations - which is important) is that they can claim victory based on strategies that are in line with other coordinated efforts by Republicans and Foreign influences to suppress voting by African Americans. That’s the crazy thing. If Blacks don’t show up to vote, can the ADOS movement really claim victory or should the Russians or Republicans? How about all three - that will show the Democrats right?

Why not coordinate a write-in to show the nation the importance of the black vote. They never answer this because they are advocates for non-voting. Even in the other thread you have mantras, tweets, talking points, but never an answer for this simple question. It’s because there is none. The movement is taking an important discussion and advocating for something that is the antithesis of what our ancestors fought and died for.

 

[mangobob79]

You literally have a GOP election official saying how voter suppression is the plan and then dumb fucks in here saying they're not gonna vote

like a literal audio recording!! u can play , rewind and play back smh....

 

[trstar]

I agree, but I'm just saying if they are going to do it, do it so it gets attention and moves them in the direction of their goal (vague as it is).

Normally, if a name gets at least 1% of the vote, the name gets posted in the results. Third party votes where one person writes in Mickey Mouse, another Popeye etc is wasted AND goes unnoticed. So they need to show they made an impact. If they participate in exit polls they can say who they voted for a why, getting news coverage and attention. Right now they are just saying sit out, and they won't be noticed doing that.

Even if people sit out in large numbers, there is no way to prove that was because they want a specific agenda passed. Trying to take credit for folks not showing up after the fact is silly. If they do a coordinated campaign, then they can say we came, but you didn't earn my vote and then go on to tell candidates how to do so. I don't think this election is the one to mess around with, Trump is too dangerous imo, I'm just saying if you're going to do it, have some strategy about it. These folks have no plan, no strategy to win, then get pissed because people who think past emotion in pursuit of action and results don't take them seriously.

Agree with you.

 

[mangobob79]

That’s the point. It’s easier to say don’t vote rather than have a coordinated campaign

super way easier to sit on a superchat youtube video, do a shitty conference & charge folks ( to act like u really about it) sell teeshirts , then sit on the internet trolling folks who r actually putting in the work

 

[Camille]

That’s the point. It’s easier to say don’t vote rather than have a coordinated campaign. The reason why the ADOS movement’s message of not voting is so crazy (not the idea of reparations - which is important) is that they can claim victory based on strategies that are in line with other coordinated efforts by Republicans and Foreign influences to suppress voting by African Americans. That’s the crazy thing. If Blacks don’t show up to vote, can the ADOS movement really claim victory or should the Russians or Republicans? How about all three - that will show the Democrats right?

Why not coordinate a write-in to show the nation the importance of the black vote. They never answer this because they are advocates for non-voting. Even in the other thread you have mantras, tweets, talking points, but never an answer for this simple question. It’s because there is none. The movement is taking an important discussion and advocating for something that is the antithesis of what our ancestors fought and died for.

I agree. The only reason I comment in detail like I do is because we have a lot of lurkers who take it all in but don't comment. I won't go so far as to say folks are agents, but it needs to be pointed out that sitting out, which is giving up our voice, is not a sound strategy.

The argument for reparations is valid. Anger over how black folks have been treated in this country is valid. The argument that dems take black voters for granted is valid. We are always told our issues can wait and there is never the same urgency to address our grievances.

I've stated over and over how we don't have to shit on other groups to get our due, that we can advocate for ourselves from a position of strength and do the right things for others at the same time. I've addressed needing allies because we aren't doing anything political solely by ourselves when we are not a majority of this country and how even if the dems remain passive on our issues, a discussion that is more nuanced than what I care to get into, the GOP is willing to actively legislate against us and seek to do us harm on a whole host of issues. The GOP has used black folks as the boogeyman to scare up votes for years and get white folks to vote against their own interests. I've stated that there are other issues that affect us beyond reparations such as climate change, chemicals in food, living wages, health care, safety nets, etc that one side has a better record on. I'm Christian, but the GOP is out here basically trying to equate salvation to the party you vote with, and trying to paint GOP vs dems as good vs evil. These faux news folks have been getting indoctrinated for years AND they act on what they hear, making us all less safe. William Barr is one of those religious zealots.

Dems are not perfect, some dems are racist, and there are a whole host of other issues, but they are still better than the GOP, with open white supremacists advising the president and influencing policy. Our quality of life can still be affected by those in power, even if we don't see effects immediately. I have no problem with asking for reparations, tho I haven't seen a clear plan on this, but black folks are under attack, voting for us is often defensive, to ward off trouble. It shouldn't be like that, imo, but often our gains are simply not having someone in power who wants to hold us back.

 

[mangobob79]

I've stated that there are other issues that affect us beyond reparations such as climate change, chemicals in food, living wages, health care, safety nets, etc that one side has a better record on.

naaa!! they can keep poisoning the waters,

fuck up the ozone layer, & destroy the environment, (trump emptied the EPA so companies can rum amok)
allow whatever chemicals in our food& waterways as long as it makes a capitalist profit,

destroy the healthcare infrastructure and make it only affordable for rich cacs,( well u know what hes been fighting to do since day one with AHCA)

desecrate affordable housing to make it harder for low income black folks (aided by king coon doctor gifted hands)

cut elderly protection if it benefits old black folks (its entitlement!) but find a away to keep it for areas with high old cac pop.. and call it fiscal responsibility

further desecrate the farming industry thru china tariffs whereby alot of the hardest hit will be BLACK FARMERS

u ask what about EDUCATION ? kids education =? 2 words BETSY DEVOS

CRIMINAL JUSTICE--- reference
BILL (if we aint thankful for police we might not be deserving of their protection") BARR

FOOD- Trump just made it legal to allow pigs' nose, claws, eyeball to be ground up uninspected into the food chain

do i even need to go on ?

but hey ! we can keep this trump thing going on becos dems wont give us reparation in the next 8months or as one other posters prepositioned , sit this one out , let trump win, then come 2024 try it again with a different candidate ! they gonna come crawling at our bloodclotted mighty feet by then! that'll learn em !!

 

[xfactor]

what tangibles should so-called blacks have to ask for?

you are doing nothing but repeating republican/Democratic shill talking points.

not to mention it is a lie to say so-called black people haven’t made demands. The last democratic administration ignored us and told us to “pull ourselves up by our bootstraps” while helping every other group.

What tangibles have black folks asked for? To clarify, reparations is a category, not an actual item. That's like me saying I want to lose weight with no specifics. I lose one pound I've met that goal, but that doesn't get me to where I need to be healthwise. According to Mitch McConnell a black president was our reparations, so as far as the GOP is concerned, we've already had that item marked off the list. Go Mitch! Now you can vote GOP since they acknowledged giving us reparations.

 

[woodchuck]

I've stated over and over how we don't have to shit on other groups to get our due,

This happens when you allow hucksters and opportunists to hijack your movement. To gain access to their pockets, they target the emotions and hostility of those seeking change, even using the white losers' "They're taking our jobs!" mantra to cause black people to see other black people as the enemy.

 

[Dr. Truth]

I would like some form of proof that XCactor is an actual Black person . That way I can just call him a coon rather than the Cac I know he is. Y’all don’t seem too concerned that this cac is working overtime to derail Black voting

 

[xfactor]

@ “derail black voting”.

If Dr. Truth had to pass a drug test to get on the Internet, he’d never be able to post on BGOL.

a know-nothing fraud that was so shook when blunt got exposed that he admitted to lying about everything.

I would like some form of proof that XCactor is an actual Black person . That way I can just call him a coon rather than the Cac I know he is. Y’all don’t seem too concerned that this cac is working overtime to derail Black voting

 

[Dr. Truth]

Still no confirmation

 

[gene cisco]

This happens when you allow hucksters and opportunists to hijack your movement. To gain access to their pockets, and target the emotions and hostility of those seeking change, even using the white losers' "They're taking our jobs!" mantra to cause black people to see other black people as the enemy.

Welp, what SOME whites fear is the black reality. For example, if H-1b is affecting whites, what do you think it does to black STEM grads? Well, we already have the numbers to prove what it does. But hey, young, white liberals don't really have that problem. H-1b affects primarily aging workers and black folks.

There's another problem. What works for white hippies doesn't work for black people in some cases. Whites will never know what's it's like to sweat bullets because the pigs just happen to be behind you. Even when a cat is 100 percent legit, feeling is still there. That's why overpolicing doesn't make it to the top of the list while they pander to other shit. That's just one example of many.

Another problem we have is that we fall for the figurehead hustle. We assume having black politicians means success. Again, look at cities that have had black politicians for decades. Rarely do you find any fucking thing done on the local level that benefits black citizens. Some of these cities are the worst offenders of overpolicing. Look how far the lbgtqxyz community has come in the last 15 years WITHOUT OPENLY lbgtqxyz politicians. They even managed to infiltrate BLM. Tokens be damned, we need results. Tokens haven't helped us much in the last 50 years.

There's the ever--fucking popular "what have black people asked for" horseshit. Now if we're being honest, that shit took the fuck off after Obama. It's bullshit. We had BLM just highlight police brutality and if you remember the justice department didn't even help and that was before the boogeyman came into power.

 

[mangobob79]

This happens when you allow hucksters and opportunists to hijack your movement. To gain access to their pockets, and target the emotions and hostility of those seeking change, even using the white losers' "They're taking our jobs!" mantra to cause black people to see other black people as the enemy.

this is what i said in the beginning of HASHTAG #ADOS teeshirt COMPANY, these clowns are gonna end up desecrating on a righteous movement and claim, hence making " African American descendants of americas enslaved" become a worldwide pariah, the only difference is ,u cant become a pariah like the jews , the fukkin jews have money & BTS POWER and a stolen nation land behind them !

 

[xfactor]

Welp, what SOME whites fear is the black reality. For example, if H-1b is affecting whites, what do you think it does to black STEM grads? Well, we already have the numbers to prove what it does. But hey, young, white liberals don't really have that problem. H-1b affects primarily aging workers and black folks.

There's another problem. What works for white hippies doesn't work for black people in some cases. Whites will never know what's it's like to sweat bullets because the pigs just happen to be behind you. Even when a cat is 100 percent legit, feeling is still there. That's why overpolicing doesn't make it to the top of the list while they pander to other shit. That's just one example of many.

Another problem we have is that we fall for the figurehead hustle. We assume having black politicians means success. Again, look at cities that have had black politicians for decades. Rarely do you find any fucking thing done on the local level that benefits black citizens. Some of these cities are the worst offenders of overpolicing. Look how far the lbgtqxyz community has come in the last 15 years WITHOUT OPENLY lbgtqxyz politicians. They even managed to infiltrate BLM. Tokens be damned, we need results. Tokens haven't helped us much in the last 50 years.

There's the ever--fucking popular "what have black people asked for" horseshit. Now if we're being honest, that shit took the fuck off after Obama. It's bullshit. We had BLM just highlight police brutality and if you remember the justice department didn't even help and that was before the boogeyman came into power.

the “figurehead hustle” is something I called out in another thread about the mayor of College Park and the pro-whites like @Camille got upset.

the more logic that our community uses and the less emotion will get us back on track.

 

[Camille]

what tangibles should so-called blacks have to ask for?

you are doing nothing but repeating republican/Democratic shill talking points.

not to mention it is a lie to say so-called black people haven’t made demands. The last democratic administration ignored us and told us to “pull ourselves up by our bootstraps” while helping every other group.

So in other words you want folks to be mind readers and think with all the demands they get in their face, they will notice you sulking off in the corner? It reminds me of how y'all used to talk about women who want to be mad, or give the silent treatment and when her man asks what's wrong and she says "you already know" or "if you REALLLLLLY loved me you wouldn't have to ask". Closed mouths don't get fed and you can't expect folks to meet needs when you can't even voice what they are. How can you check stuff off the list, when you can't even make a list?? All these other groups asked and named their price. Gay marriage. Abortion bans. Conservative judges. Tax cuts. You're not even wanting to do that much. I can't take y'all seriously anymore. Y'all more batshit crazy than white folk now. I didn't think that was possible.

 

[gene cisco]

the “figurehead hustle” is something I called out in another thread about the mayor of College Park and the pro-whites like @Camille got upset.

the more logic that our community uses and the less emotion will get us back on track.

Man. Cleveland has had a black mayor since 2006 and the police still don't have dashcams, ain't that a bitch? Black citizens didn't want traffic cameras raping their pockets and the mayor fought citizens until outside help stepped in to get it on the ballot. He also had his goons leaning on CCW holders back in the day. Fought legally armed black citizens every step of the way.

Them fools in Cleveland getting what they keep voting for.

 

[xfactor]

So in other words you want folks to be mind readers and think with all the demands they get in their face, they will notice you sulking off in the corner? It reminds me of how y'all used to talk about women who want to be mad, or give the silent treatment and when her man asks what's wrong and she says "you already know" or "if you REALLLLLLY loved me you wouldn't have to ask". Closed mouths don't get fed and you can't expect folks to meet needs when you can't even voice what they are. How can you check stuff off the list, when you can't even make a list?? All these other groups asked and named their price. Gay marriage. Abortion bans. Conservative judges. Tax cuts. You're not even wanting to do that much. I can't take y'all seriously anymore. Y'all more batshit crazy than white folk now. I didn't think that was possible.

Not at all. Politicians should focus on the group that is most marginalized and needs the most help. But we know that is not the case because the politicians work for the interests of maintaining the white power structure which is why so-called black people voting blindly for democrats and not holding them accountable.

Obama is the reason for Trump.
Obama is the reason for #ADOS.

but the sheep act like they are Russian backed groups

so, help me out, what did the so-called black community not demand and how do we make a proper demand? Because I see demands being made of politicians daily and they go ignored.

 

[Camille]

Welp, what SOME whites fear is the black reality. For example, if H-1b is affecting whites, what do you think it does to black STEM grads? Well, we already have the numbers to prove what it does. But hey, young, white liberals don't really have that problem. H-1b affects primarily aging workers and black folks.

There's another problem. What works for white hippies doesn't work for black people in some cases. Whites will never know what's it's like to sweat bullets because the pigs just happen to be behind you. Even when a cat is 100 percent legit, feeling is still there. That's why overpolicing doesn't make it to the top of the list while they pander to other shit. That's just one example of many.

Another problem we have is that we fall for the figurehead hustle. We assume having black politicians means success. Again, look at cities that have had black politicians for decades. Rarely do you find any fucking thing done on the local level that benefits black citizens. Some of these cities are the worst offenders of overpolicing. Look how far the lbgtqxyz community has come in the last 15 years WITHOUT OPENLY lbgtqxyz politicians. They even managed to infiltrate BLM. Tokens be damned, we need results. Tokens haven't helped us much in the last 50 years.

There's the ever--fucking popular "what have black people asked for" horseshit. Now if we're being honest, that shit took the fuck off after Obama. It's bullshit. We had BLM just highlight police brutality and if you remember the justice department didn't even help and that was before the boogeyman came into power.

What could Obama do at the local level? What would all those state rights GOP members have passed in Congress? They did what they could with consent decrees, which trumps DOJ tried to roll back, but much of this is at the local level. Anytime Obama spoke out and the GOP twisted it into saying he was playing the race card, dems didn't stand up to give him cover or help fight. He was mocked for saying Trayvon could have been his son. We couldn't get black folks around here to support BLM because of the (black) gay folks involved, like gay folks aren't going to be part of almost any movement because they are part of every race. SMH.

 

[Quek9]

I would like some form of proof that XCactor is an actual Black person . That way I can just call him a coon rather than the Cac I know he is. Y’all don’t seem too concerned that this cac is working overtime to derail Black voting

I been blocked that coon/cac.

 

[Camille]

Not at all. Politicians should focus on the group that is most marginalized and needs the most help. But we know that is not the case because the politicians work for the interests of maintaining the white power structure which is why so-called black people voting blindly for democrats and not holding them accountable.

Obama is the reason for Trump.
Obama is the reason for #ADOS.

but the sheep act like they are Russian backed groups

so, help me out, what did the so-called black community not demand and how do we make a proper demand? Because I see demands being made of politicians daily and they go ignored.

Reparations are not high on my list and I don't know what that would look like anyway: services, money, schooling, tax breaks. The problem is,you don't know either. You've hopped on the pro reparations bandwagon but you aren't presenting a plan or how to pay for it. These plans may exist, but that's not filtering through the noise and none of y'all are articulating what it is. What is making it through the noise is don't vote and immigrant blacks are the devil. I can't support or amplify that.

The other things I care about, health care etc, is already part of the dem agenda.

Other groups lobby, donate, write letters, do sit ins. We had disabled folks being lifted off the ground and hauled away to jail for protesting at the capital. Indivisible put out a whole guide on how to lobby and get results from Congress critters. I posted it in the politics forum months ago.

 

[gene cisco]

What could Obama do at the local level? What would all those state rights GOP members have passed in Congress? They did what they could with consent decrees, which trumps DOJ tried to roll back, but much of this is at the local level. Anytime Obama spoke out and the GOP twisted it into saying he was playing the race card, dems didn't stand up to give him cover or help fight. He was mocked for saying Trayvon could have been his son. We couldn't get black folks around here to support BLM because of the (black) gay folks involved, like gay folks aren't going to be part of almost any movement because they are part of every race. SMH.

I hate even talking about Obama because he gets people all in their feelings. I was trying to show that even at the local level having black politicians havn't advanced shit but the lives of those politicians and their family and friends.

But let's talk Obama. It's funny how fast shit works under Trump. When Obama was in office, a petition hit the White House about legalized marijuana. HIS whitehouse made an official response calling it a gateway drug. He had the power to have his goons change it on the national level, but did nothing. As we know, the drug war has disproportionately affected the black community. He had a chance to make a stand and didn't. Michelle is about school lunches and hugging war criminals.

Did Obama ever use the State of the Union to make police brutality the national focus? Bush used that shit to get shit done about steroids in baseball. Used it to promote the Iraq war. Did Obama use the bully pulpit to advance any black issue? But wait, when it comes to Trump, it's all about him empowering through his rhetoric. When it's Obama, it's 'he's playing chess' and can't use his position of power to do shit unless it's on paper. See how that works?

Now overall, the man was a good president, but he didn't do anything to help what black folks have been complaining about to get fixed. He played it safe. Shit, he's been out for years now and still plays it safe. I'm not anti-Obama, it's just don't make him something he's not.

It wasn't about gay folks being involved in blm. No one give a fuck. But they were equating their struggle with that of black people. They were hijacking the shit. When has driving while gay ever been a fucking issue? They purposely interject gays and trans shit into an arena it didn't belong. That's that white hippie shit leading black agenda.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Not at all. Politicians should focus on the group that is most marginalized and needs the most help. But we know that is not the case because the politicians work for the interests of maintaining the white power structure which is why so-called black people voting blindly for democrats and not holding them accountable.

Obama is the reason for Trump.
Obama is the reason for #ADOS.

but the sheep act like they are Russian backed groups

so, help me out, what did the so-called black community not demand and how do we make a proper demand? Because I see demands being made of politicians daily and they go ignored.

ADOS is more politically active than any of these naysayers. They cast a ballot once a year and that counts as political activism.

They dont go to Capital Hill. They dont run up on politicians. They dont challenge mainstream media nor have they created they own. They dont conduct meetups with the other Dem foot soldiers. All they do is watch MSNBC, copy their talking points, vote once a year and that makes them Angela Davis or Harriet Tubman. ADOS does the work, black Dems sit on their ass and do nothing. They accept whatever white Dems push. Today its LBGT, tomorrow itll be pedophilia and they wont say a word as they bash black voters. Democrats wont push a black agenda because they dont want to alienate the racist whites in the party. Has nothing to do with us "not telling them"

 

[Camille]

I hate even talking about Obama because he gets people all in their feelings. I was trying to show that even at the local level having black politicians havn't advanced shit but the lives of those politicians and their family and friends.

But let's talk Obama. It's funny how fast shit works under Trump. When Obama was in office, a petition hit the White House about legalized marijuana. HIS whitehouse made an official response calling it a gateway drug. He had the power to have his goons change it on the national level, but did nothing. As we know, the drug war has disproportionately affected the black community. He had a chance to make a stand and didn't. Michelle is about school lunches and hugging war criminals.

Did Obama ever use the State of the Union to make police brutality the national focus? Bush used that shit to get shit done about steroids in baseball. Used it to promote the Iraq war. Did Obama use the bully pulpit to advance any black issue? But wait, when it comes to Trump, it's all about him empowering through his rhetoric. When it's Obama, it's 'he's playing chess' and can't use his position of power to do shit unless it's on paper. See how that works?

Now overall, the man was a good president, but he didn't do anything to help what black folks have been complaining about to get fixed. He played it safe. Shit, he's been out for years now and still plays it safe. I'm not anti-Obama, it's just don't make him something he's not.

It wasn't about gay folks being involved in blm. No one give a fuck. But they were equating their struggle with that of black people. They were hijacking the shit. When has driving while gay ever been a fucking issue? They purposely interject gays and trans shit into an arena it didn't belong. That's that white hippie shit leading black agenda.

I got your point and I agree. I'm just saying he didn't have the political capital Trump has. He doesn't have a firewall of dems in Congress ready to protect him all all costs. They ran away from the ACA after it was passed. Trump has tried to bully local law enforcement over immigrants, but Obama wasn't going to do anything illegal AND he would have been impeached had he tried. Dems wouldn't have supported it and the GOP would have bitching about morality and the dems would have broke their necks running away from Obama trying to avoid the appearance of evil.

I've always admired the shamelessness of the GOP. Trump is doing all sorts of illegal stuff, saying take me to court. By the time that happens he's accomplished his goal. He could be on live TV sacrificing children, and the GOP would spin it and get evangelicals to go along with it.

 

[gene cisco]

I got your point and I agree. I'm just saying he didn't have the political capital Trump has. He doesn't have a firewall of dems in Congress ready to protect him all all costs. They ran away from the ACA after it was passed. Trump has tried to bully local law enforcement over immigrants, but Obama wasn't going to do anything illegal AND he would have been impeached had he tried. Dems wouldn't have supported it and the GOP would have bitching about morality and the dems would have broke their necks running away from Obama trying to avoid the appearance of evil.

I've always admired the shamelessness of the GOP. Trump is doing all sorts of illegal stuff, saying take me to court. By the time that happens he's accomplished his goal. He could be on live TV sacrificing children, and the GOP would spin it and get evangelicals to go along with it.

Let me use a speed analogy. If the posted speed limit is 55mph, Obama did 40 mph while Trump is doing 90mph with a beer in his hand. Obama didn't have to do anything illegal to push the limits. But damn, do what's legally available to you. Use it all. Hit at least 50 mph. Just making police brutality a state of the union focus during BLM and his second-term could have sent a helluva message. Trump just on some other shit.

I'm not even asking for shamelessness. If the power of speech is so impressive with Trump and arguably his biggest weapon, why didn't the same apply for Obama? It's just funny how the position of president was powerful with Bush, wasn't king with Obama, and now is back to king.

 

[forcesteeler]

black Dems sit on their ass and do nothing. They accept whatever white Dems push. Today its LBGT, tomorrow itll be pedophilia and they wont say a word as they bash black voters. Democrats wont push a black agenda because they dont want to alienate the racist whites in the party. Has nothing to do with us "not telling them"

Yeah im still waiting on What is the Democratic Agenda for Black People. These People want us to vote for them so bad

When we vote. What are we getting when Joe Biden Comes into Office?

Back in 2016 I did not understand but as of 2018-2019 I truly understand Why People in the Rust Belt voted for a Con man Like Trump.

The Democrats focus too much time on the wrong topics. From LGBT, to Illegal immigrations to Identity Politics.

For the average working class American, When you watch the debates. They don't have any message. All they can do is talk about why Trump is bad. Its the reason why people are not even watching the debates. They have tuned out.

2020 Democratic Debates | Mediaite

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[Camille]

Yeah im still waiting on What is the Democratic Agenda for Black People. These People want us to vote for them so bad

When we vote. What are we getting when Joe Biden Comes into Office?

Back in 2016 I did not understand but as of 2018-2019 I truly understand Why People in the Rust Belt voted for a Con man Like Trump.

The Democrats focus too much time on the wrong topics. From LGBT, to Illegal immigrations to Identity Politics.

For the average working class American, When you watch the debates. They don't have any message. All they can do is talk about why Trump is bad. Its the reason why people are not even watching the debates. They have tuned out.

2020 Democratic Debates | Mediaite

www.mediaite.com

"Identity politics" is mostly code word for black issues, especially as used by Bernie and his Bernistans. You know, things like reparations that only affect one group and not the majority of citizens. That's a talking point to minimize black issues and issues that affect other groups. So you're saying dems need to avoid this, yes?

 

[Quek9]

Let me use a speed analogy. If the posted speed limit is 55mph, Obama did 40 mph while Trump is doing 90mph with a beer in his hand. Obama didn't have to do anything illegal to push the limits. But damn, do what's legally available to you. Use it all. Hit at least 50 mph. Just making police brutality a state of the union focus during BLM and his second-term could have sent a helluva message. Trump just on some other shit.

I'm not even asking for shamelessness. If the power of speech is so impressive with Trump and arguably his biggest weapon, why didn't the same apply for Obama? It's just funny how the position of president was powerful with Bush, wasn't king with Obama, and now is back to king.

Because we live in a country that would let a cac man confess to grabbing pussy and rage against all things unholy when a black man wears a tan suit. Obama was like Jackie Robinson so the next one can have more freedom. Like Jackie, Obama did a good job in spite of the opposition from republicans and his own party.

 

[trstar]

Welp, what SOME whites fear is the black reality. For example, if H-1b is affecting whites, what do you think it does to black STEM grads? Well, we already have the numbers to prove what it does. But hey, young, white liberals don't really have that problem. H-1b affects primarily aging workers and black folks.

There's another problem. What works for white hippies doesn't work for black people in some cases. Whites will never know what's it's like to sweat bullets because the pigs just happen to be behind you. Even when a cat is 100 percent legit, feeling is still there. That's why overpolicing doesn't make it to the top of the list while they pander to other shit. That's just one example of many.

Another problem we have is that we fall for the figurehead hustle. We assume having black politicians means success. Again, look at cities that have had black politicians for decades. Rarely do you find any fucking thing done on the local level that benefits black citizens. Some of these cities are the worst offenders of overpolicing. Look how far the lbgtqxyz community has come in the last 15 years WITHOUT OPENLY lbgtqxyz politicians. They even managed to infiltrate BLM. Tokens be damned, we need results. Tokens haven't helped us much in the last 50 years.

There's the ever--fucking popular "what have black people asked for" horseshit. Now if we're being honest, that shit took the fuck off after Obama. It's bullshit. We had BLM just highlight police brutality and if you remember the justice department didn't even help and that was before the boogeyman came into power.

The first generation of black mayors knew what the deal was Detroit, Chicago, and Atlanta mandated that employment on city contracts had to have x number of black workers and x percent of contracts went to black companies. We got to return to this.

That’s what voting for the right candidate means.

 

[Camille]

Let me use a speed analogy. If the posted speed limit is 55mph, Obama did 40 mph while Trump is doing 90mph with a beer in his hand. Obama didn't have to do anything illegal to push the limits. But damn, do what's legally available to you. Use it all. Hit at least 50 mph. Just making police brutality a state of the union focus during BLM and his second-term could have sent a helluva message. Trump just on some other shit.

I'm not even asking for shamelessness. If the power of speech is so impressive with Trump and arguably his biggest weapon, why didn't the same apply for Obama? It's just funny how the position of president was powerful with Bush, wasn't king with Obama, and now is back to king.

I was one of those people who thought Obama would do more and be more outspoken in his second term and was disappointed that he wasn't. I also agree with your points about accepting figureheads over results that benefit our community. I just don't think it is either we get benefits OR symbolism.

I think Obama was a good president and a good man. This whole country is conditioned to believe black folks can't lead, that we need people to make decisions for us, that we are morally bankrupt, no fathers in the home and that the only place black families exist is in the fictional world of tv tho America's dad was just put in jail for being a sexual predator. Black kids need to see themselves in positions of power. Obama's daughters conducted themselves way better than the Bush girls did. A black man with a BLACK wife, openly affectionate. Hell *I* needed to see that. Images matter. Symbolism matters. For 8 years we had a loving black family in power. 8 years of normalizing this for kids black and white, who go on to hire and may not see a black person as a risk because of this.

He did some lectures etc, that I thought were a bit patronising, but we (y'all) say much worse about black folks all the time. We just like to keep the dirty laundry in house. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the ACA and I see how WS works. Was he perfect? No. Is he worthy of all the disrespect folks show him around here? Also, no.

Right now the message I hear (not from you) is that black folks shouldn't aspire to power because then the backlash from white racists who disapprove will be our fault. I can't support that. Black folks wielding power is not the problem or the situation that needs to be eliminated.

 

[forcesteeler]

"Identity politics" is mostly code word for black issues, especially as used by Bernie and his Bernistans. You know, things like reparations that only affect one group and not the majority of citizens. That's a talking point to minimize black issues and issues that affect other groups. So you're saying dems need to avoid this, yes?

Identity Politics is a strategy where you divide people based on Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation and use it for political advantage

Now identity politics can be a good effective strategy. But I think people are started to see the hustle.

From Kamala Harris failing to rally the black vote. To the metoo movement losing its steam to have the women vote on lock.

It’s so easy to beat trump just focus all your attention on All American citizens and you will win.

 

[Camille]

the “figurehead hustle” is something I called out in another thread about the mayor of College Park and the pro-whites like @Camille got upset.

the more logic that our community uses and the less emotion will get us back on track.

I didn't get upset. I took issue with you shitting on a black person being elected, whom you had no knowledge of prior to the post, talking about she has to go if she doesn't xyz. You didn't know what she ran on, what she promised, or how she compared to her predecessor. You were just being e-badass for the sake of talking tough and it made no sense.

 

[xfactor]

great analogy!

like Jackie Robinson, Obama WAS NOT the first so-called black professional MLB player/first so-called black POTUS and like Jackie Robinson, Obama was a hand-picked sellout that exposed himself once his playing days were over/his Presidency ended.

Because we live in a country that would let a cac man confess to grabbing pussy and rage against all things unholy when a black man wears a tan suit. Obama was like Jackie Robinson so the next one can have more freedom. Like Jackie, Obama did a good job in spite of the opposition from republicans and his own party.

 

[Camille]

Identity Politics is a strategy where you divide people based on Gender, Race and Sexual Orientation and use it for political advantage

Now identity politics can be a good effective strategy. But I think people are started to see the hustle.

From Kamala Harris failing to rally the black vote. To the metoo movement losing its steam to have the women vote on lock.

It’s so easy to beat trump just focus all your attention on All American citizens and you will win.

The phrase is used to silence already marginalized people and issues. Bernie eventually "came around" but he used it in regard to BLM. Economics alone don't solve issues in the black community. It's always identity politics when it's not your identity and the politics are inconvenient.

 

[forcesteeler]

Right now the message I hear (not from you) is that black folks shouldn't aspire to power because then the backlash from white racists who disapprove will be our fault. I can't support that. Black folks wielding power is not the problem or the situation that needs to be eliminated.

Stop believing trump Won because America is racist. Yes they are racist Americans but that is not the only reason.

If that was the case why did Obama win twice. It was not only black voters that make him win the White House.

The democrats in 2016 just ran a terrible unlikeable candidate and she was just focusing on trump is bad. Vote for me. Which is the same mistake the democrats are making in 2020.

All you need is just a clear message on how you are going to improve people’s lives.

Trump in 2016. jobs jobs jobs and Bring Jobs back
Hilary 2016. Trump is bad and racist

So if your in the Midwest and all your jobs are going overseas. Which message is going to resonate with you ?

 

[Camille]

Stop believing trump Won because America is racist. Yes they are racist Americans but that is not the only reason.

If that was the case why did Obama win twice. It was not only black voters that make him win the White House.

The democrats in 2016 just ran a terrible unlikeable candidate and she was just focusing on trump is bad. Vote for me. Which is the same mistake the democrats are making in 2020.

All you need is just a clear message on how you are going to improve people’s lives.

Trump in 2016. jobs jobs jobs and Bring Jobs back
Hilary 2016. Trump is bad and racist

So if your in the Midwest and all your jobs are going overseas. Which message is going to resonate with you ?

You tag team partner said Obama is the reason for Trump and ados. See the below quote. There were several factors as to why Trump won, and race was one of them. I never said it was the main or only one, but if I caught the dog whistles, I'm sure the racist white folks did. Trump didn't give plans, but he did paint a vision. I always ask conservatives if they can tell me what his health care plan contains. They can't tell me, but it's better than Obama's.

Hillary had a hit job similar to what Trump is trying to do with the Biden's. I've listed the voter suppression and other factors ever times before, so I won't do it again.

Not at all. Politicians should focus on the group that is most marginalized and needs the most help. But we know that is not the case because the politicians work for the interests of maintaining the white power structure which is why so-called black people voting blindly for democrats and not holding them accountable.

Obama is the reason for Trump.
Obama is the reason for #ADOS.

but the sheep act like they are Russian backed groups

so, help me out, what did the so-called black community not demand and how do we make a proper demand? Because I see demands being made of politicians daily and they go ignored.