Sports Liberalism versus Sports Conservativism

What is your sports ideology?

  • I am a political conservative but a sports liberal.

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  • I am a political conservative and a sports conservative.

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  • I am not liberal or conservative politically but am a sports conservative.

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Costanza

Rising Star
Registered
Just Keep My Sports the Same
By Chuck Klosterman
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I am an apolitical person. Absolutely nobody believes me when I say that, but it's true. Every conservative person I know thinks I'm mixing Noam Chomsky's personal Kool-Aid, and every liberal I know seems to assume I want to shampoo Ann Coulter's hair while watching outtakes from "The Passion of the Christ." I have no idea how this happened. For example, I don't have an opinion on abortion. I really, truly do not. You want to have an abortion? Fine; take my car keys, You think abortion is murder? Well, you're probably right. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't have anything to do with me. Do I think George W. Bush is the worst president of my lifetime? Well, of course I do -- but that's not because he's a Republican. It's because he somehow (a) got into Yale, yet (b) claims "the jury is still out" on the theory of evolution.

Everything is situational, and that reality informs how I interpret the world. At least within my mind, it seems as though any people who consciously and consistently perceive themselves as right-leaning or left-leaning are simply admitting that they don't want to think critically about complexity. It always strikes me as staunchly unsophisticated and mildly insane.

And this worries me.

This worries me because I cannot reconcile my other reality. And that reality is that I am the most conservative, reactionary sports fan I have ever met.

Within the context of life, I am the centrist pragmatist who doesn't even vote; within the context of sports, I am a potential war criminal. I wish Kenesaw Mountain Landis were still the commissioner of baseball. When John McEnroe insists that men's tennis should allow only wooden rackets, it sounds totally reasonable. Whenever I talk about the Colts, I inevitably refer to them playing in Baltimore, and it always makes me vaguely mad when I realize this is no longer the case (and has not been for 22 years). No matter what he does, I somehow find myself supporting Bob Knight in drunken arguments; Knight could jam the face of a Texas Tech guard into the gears of a John Deere combine for failing to get back on defense, and I would eventually find myself in a bar saying things like, "Well, modern kids do need discipline."

I am conservative about sports I do not even watch: I dislike Kurt Busch, but I can't even pretend to explain why. The last time I watched a NASCAR event, I was in an airport and it was still OK to carry machetes onto the plane by claiming you needed them for work. ("Don't mind me," the traveler could simply say to the flight attendant, "I'll just need to hack through some foliage as soon as we land in Montpelier." It was a simpler era, particularly for maple syrup harvesters.)

What's intriguing about this particular dichotomy is that I'm clearly not alone; for whatever reason, the default worldview for most serious sports people (and especially for members of the sports media) is staunchly unprogressive. Frank Deford and Jim Rome both lean hard left on almost all social issues, but they openly loathe the proliferation of soccer. And that position is important: For all practical purposes, soccer is the sports equivalent of abortion; in America, hating (or embracing) soccer is the core litmus test for where you exist on the jocko-political continuum. I recently saw an episode of "PTI" when Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon actively self-identified themselves as liberals, yet still came out in favor of the NBA's newly installed dress code (curiously, Kornheiser would capriciously reverse his position in subsequent episodes). Now, we all know this dress code is illogical. It limits freedom of expression, and it inadvertently exacerbates the league's current image problem; the code only serves to remind people of the cultural gap between the players and the fans. It's the very definition of reactionary.

And I kind of support it, too.

Is this pure hypocrisy? Sometimes. Take the recent situation with the Minnesota Vikings' "sex boat" scandal. Obviously, I have no idea what really happened on that boat -- but I have some suspicions. I suspect that several players were having not-so-romantic intercourse with "enthusiastic" women who expected more than a nice dinner at Red Lobster in return. I suspect people were casually talking about how Ricky Williams is a genius while wishing they had brought along some Nutter Butters. I suspect people were probably playing the latest Clipse album at a dangerously high volume and kept bringing their Lexus keys into the bathroom stalls. And -- in a vacuum -- I have no problem with any of that. In all likelihood, the Vikings committed a bunch of victimless crimes, and the enforcement of those laws is far worse than the acts themselves.

But the sex boat situation still bothers me. And it bothers me because the Vikings are football players. When Minnesota beat the Green Bay Packers 23-20 that week on a 56-yard field goal, and the Fox cameras cut to a close-up of Daunte Culpepper kneeling on the ground in prayer, I found myself disgusted. This felt like a travesty. You see, Brett Favre would not have been on that sex boat. I know this. I know this because BRETT FAVRE JUST LIKES TO PLAY THE GAME. BRETT FAVRE JUST WANTS TO GO OUT THERE AND THROW THE OLD PIGSKIN AROUND THE OLD BACKYARD. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES BRETT FAVRE HURTS YOU, BECAUSE BRETT FAVRE TAKES A LOT OF RISKS. HE'S A RIVERBOAT GAMBLER! BUT YOU CAN NEVER FAULT BRETT FAVRE, BECAUSE BRETT FAVRE LOVES TO PLAY THE GAME. BRETT FAVRE WOULD PLAY FOR FREE. IN FACT, IF THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTION, BRETT FAVRE WOULD TAKE OUT A SMALL BUSINESS LOAN FROM A LOCALLY OWNED BANKING INSTITUTION AND PAY THE NFL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO THROW THE FOOTBALL TO THE LIKES OF DONALD DRIVER, BECAUSE BRETT FAVRE EMBODIES A DYING MYTHOLOGY WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE ICONS OF A SOCIETY CAN REPRESENT (AND AT TIMES TRANSCEND) THE HIGHEST VALUES OF THAT SOCIETY IN A WHOLLY ALTRUISTIC CONTEXT. DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT BRETT FAVRE LOVES TO PLAY THE GAME? WELL, HE VERY MUCH DOES.

Inside my skull, this is how I feel. And this feeling is (probably) a little crazy; were I to hold comparative views in a political setting, I would likely be advocating the construction of a 20-foot containment wall along the Rio Grande to stop illegal aliens from entering Texas and taking all the jobs normal Americans refuse to do. But such reactionary sentiments are not always so irrational; sometimes these anti-progressive tendencies are my only grains of legitimate grit.

Case in point: I don't think Pete Rose should be allowed into the Hall of Fame (and for all the same reasons you've heard 1,000 times before). What he did was the worst thing a pro athlete can do; gambling is substantially worse than taking steroids because it invalidates the very idea of unadulterated competition. I don't think Rose should even be inducted posthumously; even when his corpse is decomposing beneath the damp Cincinnati soil, his sole legacy should be that no man can ever outhit the integrity of the game itself. On this point, I am completely inflexible, and I am almost certainly correct.

Every six months or so, I argue over the Pete Rose Situation with one of my associates (usually while playing EA college football, a video game where I insist on running the wishbone and always run the option on third-and-5). Nothing ever changes in our dialogue; after 20 minutes of Rose talk, the conversation inexorably devolves into a debate about the use of instant replay for pro and college football, a technology I despise.

"How can you be against this?" my forward-thinking associate always asks. "Why would you prefer a system where referees get things wrong? How can anybody be idealistically against accuracy?" I counter by pointing out how instant replay slows the game down (which it does), and how it stops referees from making decisive decisions (which is becoming more and more common), and that any game played by imperfect humans should only be controlled by equally imperfect humans (which -- I suppose -- is kind of like arguing against stem-cell research). Certainly, part of me believes all of those things. But part of me also knows those three responses overlook some rather obvious truths, and part of me knows that tendency is conscious. And the reason I am willing to overlook what's obvious is because I would rather understand an old problem than feel alienated by a flawed solution. Which, I suppose, is precisely what conservatism is.

The world at large can change and I won't mind; I can always evolve with the world because I never understood it in the first place. It's easy to be open-minded and flexible when you don't really care. However, I already understood sports when I was 8. I need those old laws to remain in place because -- intellectually and emotionally -- these principles are static. What am I going to do if sports become one more thing I can't relate to? What will I do every weekend for the next 50 years? Talk to people on the telephone? Read Agatha Christie novels? Dream?

We need to get back to our core values. We need to rediscover the things we've always known. The Brewers are in the American League. No one will ever win a Super Bowl with a running quarterback. Terrell Owens will always be a cancer to whatever team he plays for. So will Antoine Walker. And the Baltimore Colts and Los Angeles Rams must always lose big games whenever they play outdoors, because those franchises need to be penalized for building exciting, innovative offenses that only seem to work indoors (a geographic venue that must universally indicate some kind of inauthentic, unmasculine manifestation of accelerated modernity).

The Indianapolis Colts. I meant to write "Indianapolis." And "St. Louis."

There is no future.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/051108
 
I came upon this article a few days ago because of the Tony Kornheiser suspension-- Deadspin did a rundown of everybody Kornheiser has targeted in the past and the author of the OP, Klosterman, was one such target. Those who did not Colin Powell the article saw that Klosterman cited an episode of PTI as an example, mentioning that "Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon actively self-identified themselves as liberals, yet still came out in favor of the NBA's newly installed dress code."

I was reminded of it by a post about Gatorade dropping Tiger Woods asking about Gatorade's place in the sports world:

Side topic:
As big as the sports supplement industry has gotten, why is gatorade even still relevant as a amajor sport endorsing company?

I think it has to do with tradition. They've been a major presence for such a long time, at least since Jordan and the explosion of sports marketing.

The Gatorade shower... It has become embedded in the culture.

Clearly (to me and many others), liberals are smarter than conservatives. But being a sports conservative is not nearly as damaging as being a political conservative-- Many people stay sports fans because they connect them to their youths and are resistant to change. The Gatorade shower would be a good example of this-- It's just familiar.

Baseball fans, I'd wager, are overwhelmingly sports conservatives. They hate change; some people still haven't gotten over the DH rule or the wild-card playoff format instituted over a decade and a half ago.
 
A very good point was made in the counterpart to this thread on the sports board:

Pro sports in this country go very conservative, with the NFL being the most conservative. It's one of the times when people are eagerly pro-management in any labor dispute.
They don't give a fuck about the players, they just want to see their games uninterrupted.

Even if it's a lockout, it is much easier for fans to blame the visible millionaires than the behind-the-scenes billionaires.
 
Politically liberal, more of a centrist on sports.

To address why Gatorade is still relevant, yes, there are all types of supplements out there but Gatorade focuses on and leads the pack on athletic rehydration. Athletes will always sweat and need to replace those fluids for optimal performance so there will always be a need there. That, and they market exceptionally well.
 
A textbook example worthy conversation between a sports liberal and a sports conservative:

boo ya! I called this shit. denver lacks length and san antonio is a motherfucker.

Shit, in two series in the West, the lower seeded team leads 3-1 and the other two series are tied. The West could be potentially all upsets.

Further illustrating the need to ditch the geographically arranged playoff scheme.

nah...I like the geographic rivalries. for instance utah-denver and san antonio-dallas are GREAT due to both cities being so close. a utah-miami or san antonio-boston series in the first round wouldn't make any sense.

Competitive balance and fairness. How many years did Cleveland play against Washington while their counterparts out West played tougher opponents? (Without that becoming all that much of a rivalry, I might add, because it was not truly competitive.) How does San Antonio, the #7 seed out West, rank among Eastern Conference teams? Oklahoma City? Surely you would not compare these teams to the Bobcats and Bulls?

If you had a pro NIT for non-playoff teams, the winner would come from the West going back a while. It is just completely out of whack.

If Boston-LA could become the sport's greatest rivalry in the 60s and 70s, there should be no problem developing cross-coastal rivalries in the cable and Internet era.

honestly everybody is always picking at the NBA too much. yeah the west conf is > than the east. so what? it was the other way for a long time. the east will come back. it goes in cycles.

i like the tradition and rivalries.

I'm a sports liberal. I don't like tradition for the sake of tradition. Why settle for competitive imbalance "in cycles"-- cycles which persist for longer than players careers, I might add-- when you can have competitive balance consistently????
 
I'm a political liberal... I think trickle down economics is a joke, would rather government control healthcare than all-powerful big business, and believe gay people should do what they want, just not where I can see it.

I'm a sports moderate... I think we need a playoff in college football, but I think Boise State should be disqualified from contention for playing on a blue field. I prefer a running offense to a passing offense, but I got respect for a little trash talk.
 
This is the sort of innovation that illustrates this ideological divide... the sports conservative in me hates it because I want nice neat comparisons and consistency between eras. But the sports liberal in me sees that the players on the court have changed significantly and the game would be better if the court evolved as well.

NBA discussed new court, 4-pointer

NBA president of basketball operations Rod Thorn and vice president Kiki Vandeweghe acknowledged in a recent interview with ESPN.com that the league office, at least in an exploratory fashion, has weighed expanding the dimensions of the court and the introduction of a 4-point shot.

In a sitdown interview with ESPN's TrueHoop TV, conducted during All-Star Weekend in New Orleans earlier this month, Thorn and Vandeweghe spoke of both concepts mostly from a hypothetical standpoint, but did concede that the ideas have been presented for discussion at a league level.

The NBA has employed a 94-foot-by-50-foot court since the 1940s. But Vandeweghe -- who went to two All-Star Games as a player and most recently served as an executive and head coach with the Nets before joining the league office in 2013 -- confirmed that the growing size and ever-increasing athleticism of players today prompted discussion about expanding the playing surface.

"Making the court bigger -- it's an interesting idea and we've actually looked at it," Vandeweghe said. "We keep a list of ideas on what we should do and how we can make the game better, of course. But arenas are obviously built in a certain way and that would take a lot of adjusting to actually make the court bigger. But does it mean we shouldn't look at it? No, of course not. We're looking at all sorts of things."

Added Thorn: "Those seats that are very close to the court are obviously very expensive seats to start out with. And most of them come right up to the floor. So when you start extending the floor, sideways or length -- you could probably extend it lengthwise easier than you can sideways. So there are a lot of things you have to look at there."

The NBA adopted the 3-point shot from the old ABA starting in the 1979-80 season. As for the prospect of a 4-point shot, Thorn said that, too, is "something that's come up" as an informal proposal.

The mere notion of the NBA someday adopting a 4-pointer is believed to be an offshoot of a famed quote from then-Boston Celtics star Antoine Walker, who reportedly answered a question about why he took so many 3-point shots by saying: "Because there are no 4s."
 
This is the sort of innovation that illustrates this ideological divide... the sports conservative in me hates it because I want nice neat comparisons and consistency between eras. But the sports liberal in me sees that the players on the court have changed significantly and the game would be better if the court evolved as well.

NBA discussed new court, 4-pointer

NBA president of basketball operations Rod Thorn and vice president Kiki Vandeweghe acknowledged in a recent interview with ESPN.com that the league office, at least in an exploratory fashion, has weighed expanding the dimensions of the court and the introduction of a 4-point shot.

In a sitdown interview with ESPN's TrueHoop TV, conducted during All-Star Weekend in New Orleans earlier this month, Thorn and Vandeweghe spoke of both concepts mostly from a hypothetical standpoint, but did concede that the ideas have been presented for discussion at a league level.

The NBA has employed a 94-foot-by-50-foot court since the 1940s. But Vandeweghe -- who went to two All-Star Games as a player and most recently served as an executive and head coach with the Nets before joining the league office in 2013 -- confirmed that the growing size and ever-increasing athleticism of players today prompted discussion about expanding the playing surface.

"Making the court bigger -- it's an interesting idea and we've actually looked at it," Vandeweghe said. "We keep a list of ideas on what we should do and how we can make the game better, of course. But arenas are obviously built in a certain way and that would take a lot of adjusting to actually make the court bigger. But does it mean we shouldn't look at it? No, of course not. We're looking at all sorts of things."

Added Thorn: "Those seats that are very close to the court are obviously very expensive seats to start out with. And most of them come right up to the floor. So when you start extending the floor, sideways or length -- you could probably extend it lengthwise easier than you can sideways. So there are a lot of things you have to look at there."

The NBA adopted the 3-point shot from the old ABA starting in the 1979-80 season. As for the prospect of a 4-point shot, Thorn said that, too, is "something that's come up" as an informal proposal.

The mere notion of the NBA someday adopting a 4-pointer is believed to be an offshoot of a famed quote from then-Boston Celtics star Antoine Walker, who reportedly answered a question about why he took so many 3-point shots by saying: "Because there are no 4s."

:smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
This is the sort of innovation that illustrates this ideological divide... the sports conservative in me hates it because I want nice neat comparisons and consistency between eras. But the sports liberal in me sees that the players on the court have changed significantly and the game would be better if the court evolved as well.

NBA discussed new court, 4-pointer

NBA president of basketball operations Rod Thorn and vice president Kiki Vandeweghe acknowledged in a recent interview with ESPN.com that the league office, at least in an exploratory fashion, has weighed expanding the dimensions of the court and the introduction of a 4-point shot.

In a sitdown interview with ESPN's TrueHoop TV, conducted during All-Star Weekend in New Orleans earlier this month, Thorn and Vandeweghe spoke of both concepts mostly from a hypothetical standpoint, but did concede that the ideas have been presented for discussion at a league level.

The NBA has employed a 94-foot-by-50-foot court since the 1940s. But Vandeweghe -- who went to two All-Star Games as a player and most recently served as an executive and head coach with the Nets before joining the league office in 2013 -- confirmed that the growing size and ever-increasing athleticism of players today prompted discussion about expanding the playing surface.

"Making the court bigger -- it's an interesting idea and we've actually looked at it," Vandeweghe said. "We keep a list of ideas on what we should do and how we can make the game better, of course. But arenas are obviously built in a certain way and that would take a lot of adjusting to actually make the court bigger. But does it mean we shouldn't look at it? No, of course not. We're looking at all sorts of things."

Added Thorn: "Those seats that are very close to the court are obviously very expensive seats to start out with. And most of them come right up to the floor. So when you start extending the floor, sideways or length -- you could probably extend it lengthwise easier than you can sideways. So there are a lot of things you have to look at there."

The NBA adopted the 3-point shot from the old ABA starting in the 1979-80 season. As for the prospect of a 4-point shot, Thorn said that, too, is "something that's come up" as an informal proposal.

The mere notion of the NBA someday adopting a 4-pointer is believed to be an offshoot of a famed quote from then-Boston Celtics star Antoine Walker, who reportedly answered a question about why he took so many 3-point shots by saying: "Because there are no 4s."

Change for just the sake of change is dumb to me. Will these rule changes result in a better the game? The only way to know is to institute them and see. What one thinks will make a better game is irrelevant what makes the game better or worst is all that matters.
 
It's Time To Shrink Home Plate
by FRANK DEFORD

February 26, 2014 3:38 AM
(Listen to the story-- 3 min.)


All right: play ball. Spring training has started, more replay is coming in, Derek Jeter is going out, and it's time to change the size of home plate.

Well, what did he say?

Yes, time to make home plate smaller. I know, that's heresy, that's sacrilegious. But let's back up and I'll explain.

There're simply too many strikeouts in baseball now and that hurts the game, because if the ball isn't in play it's boring. The number of strikeouts goes up every season till the average is now more than 15 per game. Now, there're many reasons to account for this. Batters are taught to work the count, not swing right away. Batters don't choke up when they're down two strikes. They're not embarrassed to go down swinging anymore. The umpires call more strikes. Really, that's been proven.

But at the core of the problem, pitchers are faster and better. So many more of them can throw at well over 90 miles an hour. But if human beings can be conditioned to throw harder, especially relievers, only in for an inning or even just one batter, how much quicker is it possible for a human being to swing a bat? A reliever comes in and we say he's a fresh arm. Nobody says a pinch hitter is a fresh bat. He's just a different bat. And the fire-balling reliever strikes him out, so nothing happens and it's boring.

All sports tinker with rules and, yes, even with sacred dimensions. Basketball has widened the three-second area. The NFL goalposts used to be on the goal line. As hidebound as baseball can be, it lowered the pitchers' mound by a full third, 15 inches down to 10 in 1969. And the size of home plate was not decreed by God. Back when it was an iron plate - where the name came from - it was, in fact, round. It became rubber and a square, 12 inches to a side. But its present distinctive shape was established in 1900, a full 17 inches across.

Now, that's too broad for the pitchers today, especially when so many strikes are on the corners, or even on the black - the small fringe which frames the plate. If you cut, say, an inch and a half off each side of the plate, pitchers would have a 14 inch target instead of 17. And batters would have a more reasonable chance to try and connect. They'd swing more, put more balls in play. It'd be more fun, a better game both to play and to watch.

With fewer strikeouts, it would also speed up the game, which takes too long now. Understand, sure, narrowing the plate would help the batter but that's just a by-product. What it would primarily do is make the whole game better. It was a big deal when Mighty Casey struck out in 1888. It's a bore when everybody strikes out in 2014. Make the dinner plate a salad plate and improve the baseball cuisine.
 
Perfect example of a sports conservative:
I agree with Cuban

Goodell has been the worst thing to happen to football

Over-saturating the market, changing all the rules, and encouraging piss poor officiating

Hell running backs are basically useless in todays game

Theyve been fixing things that arent broken like the extra point

if things dont change Cuban may be right

Perfectly content with "good enough" when the status quo is preservable.

It's just a matter of preference, but I'd rather go for the optimal. The extra point isn't "broken" but it has become a formality and there's definite room to improve the game there.
 


The NBA G League is experimenting this season with a new rule under which trips to the free throw line will include only a single foul shot that will be worth one, two or three points depending on the nature of the foul leading to the attempt, officials told ESPN.

It marks the latest move -- in both the G League and the NBA -- to improve game flow and reduce the length of games. Officials estimate that moving to a "one foul shot for all the points" model will shave between six and eight minutes off each G League game, said Brad Walker, head of basketball operations for the league.

The average G League game clocked in at about 2 hours, 5 minutes last season, Walker said. This move could take that average below the two-hour barrier, a clean broadcast window that has been in the minds of league officials for years.

The G League will revert to traditional free throw rules for the final two minutes of regulation and overtime, officials said. Shooting fouls on made baskets -- and-1s -- will proceed the same way, with the shooter attempting one free throw worth one point.

The NBA's competition committee has discussed the concept in recent meetings, and league officials brought it up to NBA head coaches at their annual preseason gathering in Chicago earlier this month, officials said.

The G League has pondered the concept for years, but in the past, it did not appear to have enough momentum for passage. Some within the league raised concerns about the decrease in on-court rest time for players, though coaches could mitigate that with more frequent substitutions.

The league has already reduced timeout lengths -- a move that shaved about four minutes off game times -- and did not hear any pushback about the impact on in-game rest, Walker said.

"We don't know how big of a deal it will be at the G League level until we try it," Walker said.

Officials also worried about deviating from historical statistical standards, according to reporting in 2014 from ESPN's Kevin Arnovitz. The NBA then brandished evidence showing players shoot more accurately on the second and third attempts of any trip to the line, a finding that has held across other independent studies. Logic follows that moving to a one-shot rule would result in an overall decrease in league-wide free throw accuracy. The raw number of attempts would obviously drop sharply.

"We might hear some blowback on that," Walker said, "but I think [the change] is going to be great for game flow."

Others wondered how the one-shot rule might change the way trailing teams approach late-game fouling -- and whether it would increase or decrease the likelihood of dramatic comebacks.

Trailing teams foul on purpose to stop the clock. The one-shot rule bumps up the likelihood of those fouls resulting in zero points -- a boon for comebacks. But it also eliminates the 1-of-2 splits that provide trailing teams some hope. Overall, the rule probably adds more variance to game outcomes.

Walker said the G League worried the lure of those empty trips might push trailing teams to start intentionally fouling earlier. That led to the decision to revert to traditional free throw rules in the final two minutes, he said.

"We don't want to incentivize fouling," Walker said.

The G League contemplated moving back to traditional free throw rules even earlier -- with five minutes remaining or even for the entire fourth quarter, Walker said.

The NBA has taken several measures over the past half-decade to improve game flow: reducing total combined timeouts from 18 to 14 in 2017, mandating teams return to the floor after timeouts in a timely fashion, and punishing so-called "Hack-a-Shaq" fouls and intentional fouls committed away from the play more harshly across larger chunks of games.

The G League has taken additional steps, including trying to limit so-called "transition take fouls" -- basically wrap-ups of ball handlers that stop fast breaks but do not qualify as clear-path fouls -- by awarding the fouled team one free throw and possession. The G League has also used a coach's challenge in recent seasons, and the NBA will implement one for the first time this season -- a change that could add replay breaks into crunch time.

The one-shot free throw rule will be evaluated at the end of the season, with the G League deciding whether to go forward with it in 2020-21 and potentially beyond, officials said.








I'm a political leftist but when it comes to the NBA, I'm a conservative riding for traditionalism like Mike Wilbon.


7:38-10:05
 
I'm a political leftist but when it comes to the NBA, I'm a conservative riding for traditionalism like Mike Wilbon.

I think my previous division (and Klosterman's) was too simplistic.

In politics, they divide ideological labels by fiscal and social policy.

So someone who is pro-rich and pro-corporation but supports abortion rights and civil rights and such would be a fiscal conservative and social liberal.

In sports, there is a traditionalist vs progressive divide as far as willingness to experiment with the structure and format of the game/season/league. But there's also one economically, with general labor issues.

I think I'm a sports conservative with regard to the game evolving but I'm definitely not one fiscally.

Can't get with this Ann Rand shit:

The system is broken when you have a Rudy Gorbert getting money on par with LeBron James and league MVP talent. The entire "max salary" concept is a joke that robs players like Lebron of fair pay while grossly overpaying the likes of limited specialists like Gorbert.
Shit, we need it for the rest of society.

Nobody is bigger than basketball, nothing wrong with everybody eating.

Would you prefer a salary cap with no player max/minimums?
Yes. That atleast requires executives to use their brain in assessing fair compensation and team building and prioritizing of assets.
 
Not only do you not understand her political and philosophical leanings.. You dont even know her fucking name!! Who the fuck is "Ann" you bitch!!???
:rolleyes:

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Addressing the rest in the referenced thread in concert with my provided lesson for you on Ayn Rand.
Well atleast you got her name right finally...:smh: Clown.


:hmm:

A minor fuck up. Which seizing on in two threads should be beneath you.



I dont believe government should be run like business and i dont think corporation should be run like government. I believe in a equitable distribution of profits among labor on the merits. And i believe these owners- most of whom are apex capitalist who espouse free market principals when it benefits them- are fucking hypocrites to suddenly turn to socialist-like compensation distribution practices when its time for them to pay their workforce. The cap itself is anti free market, and the further implementation of max contract restraints is doubly punitive.

"I believe in a equitable distribution of profits among labor on the merits." How do you even determine the merits? No player is of any value without nine others on the court. No team can be successful with a disproportionate amount under the cap dedicated to a single player. Having more players getting paid sub-minimum contracts so LeBron and Steph can earn more in addition to their endorsements is asinine. The union would never do it, no union worth anything would.
 
"I believe in a equitable distribution of profits among labor on the merits." How do you even determine the merits?
Stats, wins shares, individual accolades and awards, real plus/minus, popularity, merch sales etc..

This is silly man.. Do you really think its that difficult to distinguish worth/value of say a James Harden and a Trevor Ariza?

Take care bro.. this isnt a good use of time.
 
Stats, wins shares, individual accolades and awards, real plus/minus, popularity, merch sales etc..

This is silly man.. Do you really think its that difficult to distinguish worth/value of say a James Harden and a Trevor Ariza?

Take care bro.. this isnt a good use of time.

So it would be fair and logical to pay James Harden more than the rest of the team combined???

Why doesn't the union advocate to get rid of maximum and minimum contracts?
 
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