Tariq Nasheed just lost a fuck load of credibility....SMFH!

[Chiyo]

FOH! This ain't a la carte. You can't pick portions of this situation that better fits your narrative. I married into a family of Guyanese immigrants. Ask them how they saw "ADOS" people when they first got here, and they'll ask you, "Before or after the days where we jumped going to and coming home from school, just because we had an accent?" Some you muhfuckas act like black immigrants came over here, moved into black neighborhoods, and were greeted with a welcome wagon and fresh baked pies.

They were greeted about as well as if it would have been vice versa.

ADOS are descendants of Nigerian ethnic groups, and these muthaphuckas wont think twice of calling you akata. What can you expect from any other black group if the people you came from will do you like that.

Also that family sounds ungrateful. Getting the hands from pookie or ray ray sounds a hell of a lot better than the alternative. Carrying water for some 5'2 Indian on their land on the outskirts of Georgetown while they berate you. Yeah, thats the Guyana I know, and I know getting a few hands from poor black kids was a lot better than that.

 

[respiration]

wow you comparing tariq to boyce... who got busted playin

the toy kneegrow for an asian dude sellin out his own people...

tariq maybe self serving but gotdam lol he aint nevah sell out like that...

you say he STILL has a big audience.. people STILL fuck wit dude??

after THAT exposure???

Same rhetoric. Add in PBT/TBA/Jason Black.

On YouTube, Boyce's audience is considerably larger than Tariq's.

 

[respiration]

I used to be a big fan of Tariq and we've talked in passing back in the day. I'm no longer a fan. The foolishness with the cat is too much at this point. He's like a black Donald Trump. All ego

Absolutely.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Who said a quick one time payment? We need what's owed. How are we seeing what can happen when people don't vote? Did Hillary not win the popular vote?

If ya'll really think the US government is going to give black folks some permanent preparations, similar to the Jews, ya'll are crazy. Just about every other group that is mentioned that received some sort of reparations got a one time check and was told to keep it moving. Why do you assume the government is going to treat black folks any different?


If you look at the election breakdown, a few less third party votes here and a couple of more votes for Hillary vs Trump and few less I'm staying home folks..she would have won. Until they change the constitution, the popular vote doesn't matter. There is no point in bringing it up. Popular vote alone will not get a person elected President.

 

[totto]

They won't answer you. That's why I say don't waste your time.

That's not a good point, TBA exposed how much cost the mayor paid to get into office, he got in for less than 4000 and yes people in that area didn't vote but these are poor people with little resources.

Also what makes you think white liberals would care about them more? Also the police force was under attack for harassing the residents to get more money back from the state?

All that has been exposed already, nothing to talk about.

 

[ugk]

I used to be a big fan of Tariq and we've talked in passing back in the day. I'm no longer a fan. The foolishness with the cat is too much at this point. He's like a black Donald Trump. All ego

Same. Dude is funny when he's on the livestream talking bullshit and clowning people, but he's doing too much damage now.. I can't even watch him in small doses

 

[totto]

If you wanna get real about Ferguson a lot of them cacs got exposed due to Twitter, it was twitter and Tariq who really put the light on Ferguson at first, go back at this old tweets and see who he started blowing up. He really got a name off this first.

Twitter and feedback did more to damage these cacs than voting did.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

If you wanna get real about Ferguson a lot of them cacs got exposed due to Twitter, it was twitter and Tariq who really put the light on Ferguson at first, go back at this old tweets and see who he started blowing up. He really got a name off this first.

Twitter and feedback did more to damage these cacs than voting did.

Realistically, how did Twitter do more damage? Those CACS were beating up, killing, and mocking protesters. It wasn't until some BLM people ran for office (the new prosecutor is a BLM activist, I believe) that those CACS actually got worried.

Why is it so hard to admit you need both? Twitter can't make policy change, only voting can. Twitter and social media is needed to expose the need for policy change through voting.

 

[Shaka54]

ADOS is just like any other human label. Categorize a group of people and try to define them based on whatever characteristics that is set into place by some non authoritative figure.

Yes, Black Americans deserve reparations. However, I’m not about to even touch on defining who is and who isn't a Black American.

This shit is much more gray than it is black and white.

That is the most daunting challenge when it comes down to it and these two vids came immediately to mind.




There are Biracials, Quadroons, and Octoroons who self identify as Black, which I'd always supported in the past..."How do THEY identify themselves?"

 

[4 Dimensional]

That is the most daunting challenge when it comes down to it and these two vids came immediately to mind.




There are Biracials, Quadroons, and Octoroons who self identify as Black, which I'd always supported in the past..."How do THEY identify themselves?"

Yeah.

The “one drop rule” dominated much of the south, so those mixed with black blood had no choice but to identify as black. However, today they can identify as biracial and don’t claim either side.

We didn’t define our blackness, the oppressors did.

I time stamped this clip for you to add depth to the discussion. You don’t have to watch the whole trailer.



So how do we define what is and isn’t considered a ADOS? Does this include those negroes that were free? Most of us can’t trace back our ancestory in the first place. I know I am ADOS because I did my family tree, but I do have a set of family that were free during the early 1800s (that blew my mind).

I don’t think the southern country parts of the US wouldn be as difficult to define as it would those Black folk from Louisiana and big cities like NYC where things get much more complicated.

Some folks don’t even have a record of where they came from.

 

[gw1933]

Thats debatable. Alot of the ADOS in the South are full blooded ADOS with no immediate non ADOS lineage. And alot of ADOS in this country have very little interaction with non ADOS blacks. The ADOS in Arkansas, Tennessee, and some of these other places aint never lived or been around Jamaicans, Haitians, Nigerians, etc. Thats more in the major cities. Those groups traditionally aint migrate to the jim crow South and to smaller rural areas that ADOS resides.

I see what you mean....It makes me raise the question, where do Black intra-cultural groups like the Gullah/Geechee fit in all of this. I say that because they are ADOS by definition, but culturally they are more closely knit to their African ancestry. From the food they eat to their accents and everything in between.

Another thing to take in consideration is that in the early 1700's some of the slaves shipped to Northern ports were from Jamaica, Barbados, and Antigua. Would their descendants classify as ADOS or not?

...and then you have Mulattoes who have ADOS and/or non-ADOS ancestry on their Black side, in addition to Tri-racial groups who have members with Black DNA (i.e. North Carolina Lumbee Indians).

At the end of the day it's an interesting conversation, with so many questions that still remain unanswered.

Like Yvette?

I was speaking more in terms of cultural hybrids, like people who have 2 or more African-descent cultures tied in their families. For example, a person who claims ADOS, but has a grandparent of Caribbean or Afro-Latin descent.

That is the most daunting challenge when it comes down to it and these two vids came immediately to mind.

With all of the Black folk that still support the "one drop rule", I submit to you that one day the concept of the "$5 Black American" will become a reality......They already bamboozled the Natives, we next.

 

[4 Dimensional]

For the purpose of reparations for slavery, it would be those whose ancestors were slaves in what is now the United States...for most it should be somewhat easy to define while a few who deserve will not get but a few who don't will...but I believe the vast majority can be easily defined to the point where I believe a fair, distribution system could be created...if you move it beyond reparations for slavery and include Jim crow and general post slavery discrimination then it does get a bit trickier...I believe enough info is out there that you could move forward with the process as it will get the majority of cases correct...there will definitely be some mix ups here and there but anything as big and complicated as this would be would have that

That’s part of the problem though. How many that deserves it and won’t get will it be? If it’s enough people, then they are going to push back very hard. To the point there will be deliberate sabotage of the system, which will most certainly be back by those that don’t want to pay out.

I think the division is inevitable and what it will create is something we won’t see coming.

 

[Camille]

I remember watching a video of his where he said that the Democrat debates didn't matter, because the Democrats are more racist than Donald Trump.

Trump who is appointing judges to the bench for life who won't say that Roe V. Wade was correctly decided, Trump who is rolling back civil rights protections en masse at the Justice Department, most recently failing to prosecute the officer who murdered Eric Garner. Apparently, he's not the enemy, the Democrats are.

They refuse to say if Brown vs Board of Education was properly decided also.

 

[slewdem100]

That’s part of the problem though. How many that deserves it and won’t get will it be? If it’s enough people, then they are going to push back very hard. To the point there will be deliberate sabotage of the system, which will most certainly be back by those that don’t want to pay out.

I think the division is inevitable and what it will create is something we won’t see coming.

The issue of who is who could definitely be used to undermine it...I could see it being a big issue in NYC, S. Florida and Boston...but there is no non messy way to do it

 

[Amajorfucup]

He may, or may not be an agent, but he's behaving like one.

Here he is blaming black immigrants for AIDS in the black community



This is shit white supremacists do. Cherry pick facts and statistics to fit your narrative singling out a group or "others" as the real enemies.

Didn't hear any of that. He only talks about diseased whites from where this starts and stops.

 

[KingTaharqa]

I see what you mean....It makes me raise the question, where do Black intra-cultural groups like the Gullah/Geechee fit in all of this. I say that because they are ADOS by definition, but culturally they are more closely knit to their African ancestry. From the food they eat to their accents and everything in between.

Geechies are considered full blooded ADOS. They are direct descendants of US slavery and would be entitled to a justice claim. Their experience is a largely American one even with their strong similarities and retainment of some of the culture in mainland Africa. When you go to Charleston you can still feel that plantation energy out there.

Another thing to take in consideration is that in the early 1700's some of the slaves shipped to Northern ports were from Jamaica, Barbados, and Antigua. Would their descendants classify as ADOS or not?

Yes. They are descendants of US slavery and came up out of those cotton fields. Weve always said we are a mixture of foundationals, various tribes from West and Central Africa combined with others from the Caribbean that combined to create a new tribe called ADOS.

...and then you have Mulattoes who have ADOS and/or non-ADOS ancestry on their Black side, in addition to Tri-racial groups who have members with Black DNA (i.e. North Carolina Lumbee Indians).

ADOS who have 2 parents that are ADOS would be entitled to more resources than ADOS who only have 1 parent and the other non ADOS. In my personal opinion and interactions as an NC native, Lumbees move as an indigenous tribe more so than black Americans, but if they can prove they got some ADOS up in em and got an ancestor that was out in the fields, sure why not?

I was speaking more in terms of cultural hybrids, like people who have 2 or more African-descent cultures tied in their families. For example, a person who claims ADOS, but has a grandparent of Caribbean or Afro-Latin descent.

Same as someone like say Luther Campbell who has 1 parent that is Jamaican and another that is from the Bahamas. He half Jamaican half Bahamian. There are half ADOS half Jamaicans, half Bahamian half ADOS. Some of our biggest riders in the tri state fall in that category. Some of the biggest voices in the movement in fact.

With all of the Black folk that still support the "one drop rule", I submit to you that one day the concept of the "$5 Black American" will become a reality......They already bamboozled the Natives, we next.

We already got $5 ADOS like Kamala Harris running for President.

The issue of who is who could definitely be used to undermine it...I could see it being a big issue in NYC, S. Florida and Boston...but there is no non messy way to do it

Most of the vocal pushback is coming from folks living or from those areas for a reason. The tension was already there! No system is full proof, but the debt is owed and it will do alot more good than bad. Including non ADOS black business owners who will benefit from their primary customer base's increase in spending power.

 

[Drayonis]

That's my other issue with the NO-vote crew. When they tell people dont vote, ESPECIALLY the youth (who dont know the power of voting) they think DON'T VOTE ANYWHERE. So now those political novices believe you don't vote in local elections because they were told by elders "voting doesn't do anything".

So you end up with more Ferguson's.

Realistically, how did Twitter do more damage? Those CACS were beating up, killing, and mocking protesters. It wasn't until some BLM people ran for office (the new prosecutor is a BLM activist, I believe) that those CACS actually got worried.

Why is it so hard to admit you need both? Twitter can't make policy change, only voting can. Twitter and social media is needed to expose the need for policy change through voting.

 

[slewdem100]

Most of the vocal pushback is coming from folks living or from those areas for a reason. The tension was already there! No system is full proof, but the debt is owed and it will do alot more good than bad. Including non ADOS black business owners who will benefit from their primary customer base's increase in spending power.

Was speaking in terms of if reparations were actually handed out and determining who is who...these 3 areas, especially NYC have the largest foreign Black populations and there are several Black Americans (people who actually identify as African American) in NYC who have a Caribbean ancestor somewhere in the mix...island people have been in NYC since the early 20th century...it will be difficult but progress has some bumps along the way
And yes there is the issue of people who look damn near White but hey, if they fit the criteria they fit the criteria

 

[totto]

Realistically, how did Twitter do more damage? Those CACS were beating up, killing, and mocking protesters. It wasn't until some BLM people ran for office (the new prosecutor is a BLM activist, I believe) that those CACS actually got worried.

Why is it so hard to admit you need both? Twitter can't make policy change, only voting can. Twitter and social media is needed to expose the need for policy change through voting.

It started from Twitter, then transistioned to Mainstream, remember CNN didn't cover the inital protest. It got popular from twitter mostly and facebook...

Watch this video when you time.

 

[sammyjax]

This is some sad shit.

That about sums it up

The amount of damage that can be done by just a handful of people is disheartening, to say the least.

They are turning this safe haven into the same kind of disinformation hub that the rest of the web has become.

Your appreciation is for something that's akin to a unicorn. It doesn't exist. Where did I say I agreed with that? I'll wait. I'm merely asking why should she feel bad for excluding ADOS people, when her ilk isn't considered "real" black people in some ADOS folks' eyes? Also, me asking people reasonable questions, does not imply support or a lack of resentment for WS. Don't know how you ended up there, but then again...

Damn, he even sucked uncle chuck in.

Dude is not well, and argues shit with you that you didn't say or have shit to do with, as if you did. I.e. Calling everyone Jordan dickriders in threads that have zero to do with basketball. He's basically applying that same psychosis to a new thing now, this ados bullshit.

 

[gw1933]

Geechies are considered full blooded ADOS. They are direct descendants of US slavery and would be entitled to a justice claim. Their experience is a largely American one even with their strong similarities and retainment of some of the culture in mainland Africa. When you go to Charleston you can still feel that plantation energy out there.



Yes. They are descendants of US slavery and came up out of those cotton fields. Weve always said we are a mixture of foundationals, various tribes from West and Central Africa combined with others from the Caribbean that combined to create a new tribe called ADOS.



ADOS who have 2 parents that are ADOS would be entitled to more resources than ADOS who only have 1 parent and the other non ADOS. In my personal opinion and interactions as an NC native, Lumbees move as an indigenous tribe more so than black Americans, but if they can prove they got some ADOS up in em and got an ancestor that was out in the fields, sure why not?




Same as someone like say Luther Campbell who has 1 parent that is Jamaican and another that is from the Bahamas. He half Jamaican half Bahamian. There are half ADOS half Jamaicans, half Bahamian half ADOS. Some of our biggest riders in the tri state fall in that category. Some of the biggest voices in the movement in fact.



We already got $5 ADOS like Kamala Harris running for President.



Most of the vocal pushback is coming from folks living or from those areas for a reason. The tension was already there! No system is full proof, but the debt is owed and it will do alot more good than bad. Including non ADOS black business owners who will benefit from their primary customer base's increase in spending power.

I agree with alot of your points. The only thing I get stuck on is the mulatto thing. I think ADOS reparations should be exclusive to those who have 2 ADOS parents, grandparents, etc. However, thats an issue in itself. I always say "Black folk love the one drop rule up until their daughter is in a beauty pageant".

We already got $5 ADOS like Kamala Harris running for President.

Kamala is definitely a c00n. The only thing worse than her are the people who support her.

Most of the vocal pushback is coming from folks living or from those areas for a reason. The tension was already there!

This

The Northeast is weird in a sense that culturalism/nationalism overshadows racial identity. In those enclaves the interbreeding between cultural groups causes confusion. Not to mention you have African-descent groups that exist in those areas that arent spread throughout the rest of the country like that.

Example....if you put some light skinned Latinos (Dominicans) and dark skinned Latinos (Garifunas) in a room with ADOS Blacks and ADOS mulattoes, it would be hard to differentiate who is who....Imagine if all 4 groups interbred....and poof, you have NYC.

It's like a big illusion up there, when in reality the majority of the country is binary in a sense (either you White or non-White). Buffer classes dont really exist in other places.

 

[ugk]

Didn't hear any of that. He only talks about diseased whites from where this starts and stops.

Maybe I posted the wrong video, here he is being crystal clear about blaming black immigrants for the HIV outbreaks in Houston, Atlanta and DC

 

[KingTaharqa]

Was speaking in terms of if reparations were actually handed out and determining who is who...these 3 areas, especially NYC have the largest foreign Black populations and there are several Black Americans (people who actually identify as African American) in NYC who have a Caribbean ancestor somewhere in the mix...island people have been in NYC since the early 20th century...it will be difficult but progress has some bumps along the way
And yes there is the issue of people who look damn near White but hey, if they fit the criteria they fit the criteria

The nuance of New York City definitely makes the ADOS discussion very different there than anywhere else in America. Thats why even though we are primarily southern based we care alot about the ADOS experience in the 5 boroughs and encourage them to let their voice be heard.

 

[Megatron X]

This should not be a discussion. Immigrant blacks shouldn’t be arguing with Ados over trying to get reparations and using the Ados thing as its tool. Black immigrants should be supporting Ados since they too benefit off of civil rights and other opportunities that was really meant for only Ados.

When I see black immigrants having their parades I don’t say anything. When I see black immigrants or their descendants having clubs for their specific group I don’t put it down. All this is because of sacrifices Ados made.

But black immigrants and their descendants feel entitled to what Ados deserves. They’ve already eaten so much from Ados table. They feel they can be exclusive with their culture and benefits they don’t deserve and think they can come around black Americans and eat off our table as well.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

It started from Twitter, then transistioned to Mainstream, remember CNN didn't cover the inital protest. It got popular from twitter mostly and facebook...

Watch this video when you time.

Never said Twitter wasn't influential in getting the coverage to go national. Twitter, Huffington post and the Washington post where there early on.

However, Ferguson police were like fuck you and your nigga lovin' protesters. Remember, the cops were actually smacking up and arresteting reporters from national outlets.
Remember them making people walk in place and when they stopped, they were arrested? Media coverage alone wasn't going to make the police act right.

My only point was Twitter/media coverage alone was not going to get anything changed. You still needed political changes as well.

 

[Mr. Met]

This should not be a discussion. Immigrant blacks shouldn’t be arguing with Ados over trying to get reparations and using the Ados thing as its tool. Black immigrants should be supporting Ados since they too benefit off of civil rights and other opportunities that was really meant for only Ados.

When I see black immigrants having their parades I don’t say anything. When I see black immigrants or their descendants having clubs for their specific group I don’t put it down. All this is because of sacrifices Ados made.

But black immigrants and their descendants feel entitled to what Ados deserves. They’ve already eaten so much from Ados table. They feel they can be exclusive with their culture and benefits they don’t deserve and think they can come around black Americans and eat off our table as well.

Like 'Black Americans' have a bunch of parades wearing the American flag and bumping American pride. STFU.

No Carribeans or any black immigrants are against reparations or claimed as such.

 

[woodchuck]

Damn, he even sucked uncle chuck in.

Dude is not well, and argues shit with you that you didn't say or have shit to do with, as if you did. I.e. Calling everyone Jordan dickriders in threads that have zero to do with basketball. He's basically applying that same psychosis to a new thing now, this ados bullshit.

At one point, I was like, "Who the fuck is he talking to?!"

 

[sammyjax]

At one point, I was like, "Who the fuck is he talking to?!"

Duke crazy.

 

[LennyNero1972]

Tariq wins again!!!! Listen, let me ask a question especially of the "regulars" who "always" have words about 'Riq, do you know him or ever dealt with personally? I don't care about shit he says on the 'net that's always debatable, has he done any harm to anyone personally or ripped off anybody on the board? Just asking.

 

[Camille]

I agree with alot of your points. The only thing I get stuck on is the mulatto thing. I think ADOS reparations should be exclusive to those who have 2 ADOS parents, grandparents, etc. However, thats an issue in itself. I always say "Black folk love the one drop rule up until their daughter is in a beauty pageant".




Kamala is definitely a c00n. The only thing worse than her are the people who support her.



This

The Northeast is weird in a sense that culturalism/nationalism overshadows racial identity. In those enclaves the interbreeding between cultural groups causes confusion. Not to mention you have African-descent groups that exist in those areas that arent spread throughout the rest of the country like that.

Example....if you put some light skinned Latinos (Dominicans) and dark skinned Latinos (Garifunas) in a room with ADOS Blacks and ADOS mulattoes, it would be hard to differentiate who is who....Imagine if all 4 groups interbred....and poof, you have NYC.

It's like a big illusion up there, when in reality the majority of the country is binary in a sense (either you White or non-White). Buffer classes dont really exist in other places.

So because a slave was raped by a slavemaster, her children who were also enslaved, do not qualify? I don't get this logic.

 

[KingTaharqa]

That about sums it up

The amount of damage that can be done by just a handful of people is disheartening, to say the least.

They are turning this safe haven into the same kind of disinformation hub that the rest of the web has become.




Damn, he even sucked uncle chuck in.

Dude is not well, and argues shit with you that you didn't say or have shit to do with, as if you did. I.e. Calling everyone Jordan dickriders in threads that have zero to do with basketball. He's basically applying that same psychosis to a new thing now, this ados bullshit.

Youre still upset I insulted your favorite sneakers? Sammyjax isnt ADOS, he just dickrides and has a screen name for one on a porn message board. Clown shit! You need help dude. You and the rest of the anti ADOS "click" should boycott us and go over to SOL and post.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Like 'Black Americans' have a bunch of parades wearing the American flag and bumping American pride. STFU.

No Carribeans or any black immigrants are against reparations or claimed as such.

You are anti reparations Met. Wear it proudly bro. How many videos you posted advocating? :Your energy is expended in fuckery towards ADOS checking Mets box scores. By the way, why you aint post that racial shit they had goin on last month wit 1 of their employees?

 

[trstar]

Meanwhile in Ferguson, MO racist prosecutor who protected Darren Wilson was voted out of office after having that position on lock for years.

The entire debtor system that was exposed during the Mike Brown protest was blown up.

St. Louis prosecutors are actually ignoring testomies from certain cops that are known to be problematic.

So how exactly is not voting going to help with fighting problematic policing?

This!


The awakening is the first step. To realize the system has placed you in a fucked up situation because you have been asleep is the first step. Now you can begin to see what else is fucked up - school funding, lack of clean water, unequal policing and sentencing, loans and redlining,

With that, now what are we doing to change the our own situation? Improving the way we spend money, increasing our savings, creating our own businesses, more engaging in our education, improving our physical and mental health, cut loose those vultures and vampires.


Finally determine what should reparations should look like, then demand that.

 

[sammyjax]

Youre still upset I insulted your favorite sneakers? Sammyjax isnt ADOS, he just dickrides and has a screen name for one on a porn message board. Clown shit! You need help dude. You and the rest of the anti ADOS "click" should boycott us and go over to SOL and post.

See @woodchuck, case in point.

I literally have no idea wtf this man is talking about. Sneakers? Man wth lol

But cats get caught up talking to him like he's an actual sane regular person and before you know it you've gone back and forth for three pages with a nigga eating pudding in a gown at 2pm.

 

[gw1933]

So because a slave was raped by a slavemaster, her children who were also enslaved, do not qualify? I don't get this logic.

It raises the question, was every slave who gave birth to a mixed child raped by a slavemaster during slavery?

If they were, then why did some of them still decide to side with their white fathers and create "Mulatto elite" groups to distance themselves from Blacks?


The largest slave rebellion to take place in the U.S. was planned out by Denmark Vesey. It was sabotaged by a group called the "Brown Fellowship Society". I wont go into details, but you can connect the dots.

Not to mention some of them even owned slaves in South Carolina at one point.

I say all this to make the point that ADOS reparations should be exclusive to those who have 2 parents who are ADOS Black, and even though Mulattoes may have 1 ADOS parent they shouldnt qualify, neither should anyone else who is a cultural hybrid (1 Black non-ADOS parent and 1 ADOS parent).

The honorable Dr. John Henrik Clarke tried to school folks many years ago, but it fell on deaf ears.





It would be foolish to think that the colonizers of the U.S. never used the same strategy that the colonizers of West Africa once used.