Antonio Moore goes after Jay Morrison’s Real Estate Investment Fund: Stay tuned for TREF Part II

I’m speaking specifically of BitCoin/Boyce Watkins. I don’t know enough about crypto in general to form an educated opinion on the whole thing, you are correct.

The Boyce Bitcoin thing was a massive debacle.

It was
And it was also because they were green and green leading green made red.

He ain't know enough and then co-signed someone who told him what he needed to hear and then unleashed him
Predators exist everywhere tho and it happens when you jump into shit
I got lucky and jumped into something that worked but as a result it gave me indicators of what would and wouldn't work
And using that made me a vet in that arena.


Crypto isn't for everyone but it is the future because most of it isn't even about currency and spending cash it's about not depending on institutional control over things
 
Agreed, I need more information before I invest more but I got to give this brother respect coming from his background. Need to know more about his team as of now.....I don’t think they are as solid as proclaimed but I could be wrong
No I think you're right. I posted a little history of his VP of Business Development yesterday:

I hear ya bruh...but its never a good look to have a member of your leadership team googled and a mugshot appear. Not saying its a deal breaker but the optics are not favorable when you're asking people to support you with investments. Just sayin...

https://tulsarealestatefund.com/about.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tos...AUIDCgD&biw=1918&bih=940#imgrc=0VDjgsr9RUi8ZM:


Tosin Oduwole
VP of Business Development
Tosin Oduwole has an extensive background in deal evaluation, asset management, and product development. Having spent several years abroad in Europe and Africa, Tosin has a keen understanding of international business as well as asset management. With HQ based in Atlanta, GA Tosin is active in the metropolitan area helping to rebuild the city’s impoverished urban areas


Terrorism Threat Conviction Of SIUE Student Thrown Out
By RACHEL LIPPMANN MAR 7, 2013
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    An Illinois appeals court has overturned the conviction of Olutoson Oduwole.
    (COURTESY MADISON COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT)
Updated at 11:40 a.m. with a statement from prosecuting attorney Thomas Gibbons.

An Illinois appeals court has overturned the conviction of a Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville student charged with planning to threaten a mass shooting at the campus.

A Madison County jury convicted Olutosin Oduwole, a St. Louis native, of the attempted terrorist threat charge in October 2011. The case began more than four years before when the owner of a gun shop in Godfrey, Ill. contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms with concerns that Oduwole was attempting to make a straw purchase of four handguns.


Later that month, SIUE police found a threatening note while conducting an inventory of Oduwole's car before towing it. The paper made reference to the Virginia Tech shootings, and pledged that something similar would happen "at another highly populated university" if a PayPal account did not reach $50,000 in the next week. Officers testified that the threat could not be read from outside the car, and that they found no envelopes or stamps to indicate Oduwole planned to mail the note to anyone.

Oduwole said the note was merely rap lyrics. A jury didn't buy it, and sentenced him to five years in prison for the offense of attempting to make a terroristic threat. In other words, the purchase of the four handguns, plus the presence of the threatening note, indicated that Oduwole had taken a "substantial step" toward carrying out the act of threatening a mass shooting.

In a ruling handed down late yesterday, the three judges disagreed with the jury's reasoning, writing:

"On the continuum between preparation and perpetration, the acts cited by the State hover much closer to preparation that perpetration. The cited acts do not place the defendant in dangerous proximity to success ... The evidence in this record establishes at best preparatory activities that were consistent with a variety of scenarios."

The court did not address whether the law was constitutional, and upheld Oduwole's separate misdemeanor conviction for having an unauthorized gun in student housing.

A spokeswoman said Madison County prosecutor Tom Gibbons is reviewing the appeals court ruling and will be considering all options, including an appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court.
 
Agreed, I need more information before I invest more but I got to give this brother respect coming from his background. Need to know more about his team as of now.....I don’t think they are as solid as proclaimed but I could be wrong
Exactly.

More than anything, Jay should WELCOME people in "the community" being serious about doing research. He does real estate, clowned Vlad about stocks, yet here is with a public company and asking people to invest in that rather than actual real estate.
 
from TONE'S YT PAGE

"Not sure what everyone is saying about this as a investment. Read the sec report before commenting. No management vote for investors,no clear plan, no money invested prior to realese. Also they say their not an investment company so don’t have to adhere to many regulations.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1704303/000147793218000550/tulsa_1a.htm#RISK%20FACTORS
Excerpt: You will have limited control over changes in our policies and operations, which increases the uncertainty and risks you face as a Member. Our Manager determines our major policies, including our policies regarding financing, growth and debt capitalization. Our Manager may amend or revise these and other policies without a vote of the Members. Our Manager’s broad discretion in setting policies and our Members’ inability to exert control over those policies increases the uncertainty and risks you face as a Member. In addition, our Manager may change our investment objectives without seeking Member approval. Although our board has fiduciary duties to our Members and intends only to change our investment objectives when the board determines that a change is in the best interests of our Members, a change in our investment objectives could cause a decline in the value of your investment in our company.{"

my bgol finance geniuses , pls comment
 
from a commenter on tonetalks page:-

BLACKNIGHT CODING10 hours ago
This is the first video of yours I've watched, just for reference. I see both sides of the coin. On one side I can agree that it rubbed me the wrong way that there seemed to be a huge celebration like we've already won before any investments have been made or revene generated. I watch a lot of Grant Cardone's stuff and I'm ready to pull the trigger and invest my money with his Cardone Capitol fund. Reason being is that he's producing a show every week that shows him working massive real estate deals, walking these massive 100+ unit multi-family complexes, busting down the numbers, sharing his knowledge of getting loans directly from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to secure real estate projects in excess of 50M dollars. Now, I have invested in the TREF with the tought that even without all the data, I just wanted to support a black man trying to do something for the community and I'm at a point in my life that I can throw away 1K and it won't affect my life. To me it's more of a gamble than an investment. Jay has a good background in residental real estate but working with commercial real estate is a beast unto itself and I haven't been shown any commercial real estate experts that are a part of his team. So I know that to some extent, they're going to be learning on the fly and using my money to do so. Understanding that, I'm ok with it for the number of funds that I've invested. If something comes of it great, if not, oh well. If I'm willing to drop 10K with Grant Cardone, I figure I could at least drop 10% of that with TREF just on supporting the effort. I wouldn't recommend someone to put their last dollar into this effort, especially if they've never done any other kind of investing before."

good points
 
No I think you're right. I posted a little history of his VP of Business Development yesterday:

I hear ya bruh...but its never a good look to have a member of your leadership team googled and a mugshot appear. Not saying its a deal breaker but the optics are not favorable when you're asking people to support you with investments. Just sayin...

https://tulsarealestatefund.com/about.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tos...AUIDCgD&biw=1918&bih=940#imgrc=0VDjgsr9RUi8ZM:


Tosin Oduwole
VP of Business Development
Tosin Oduwole has an extensive background in deal evaluation, asset management, and product development. Having spent several years abroad in Europe and Africa, Tosin has a keen understanding of international business as well as asset management. With HQ based in Atlanta, GA Tosin is active in the metropolitan area helping to rebuild the city’s impoverished urban areas


Terrorism Threat Conviction Of SIUE Student Thrown Out
By RACHEL LIPPMANN MAR 7, 2013
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    An Illinois appeals court has overturned the conviction of Olutoson Oduwole.
    (COURTESY MADISON COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT)
Updated at 11:40 a.m. with a statement from prosecuting attorney Thomas Gibbons.

An Illinois appeals court has overturned the conviction of a Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville student charged with planning to threaten a mass shooting at the campus.

A Madison County jury convicted Olutosin Oduwole, a St. Louis native, of the attempted terrorist threat charge in October 2011. The case began more than four years before when the owner of a gun shop in Godfrey, Ill. contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms with concerns that Oduwole was attempting to make a straw purchase of four handguns.


Later that month, SIUE police found a threatening note while conducting an inventory of Oduwole's car before towing it. The paper made reference to the Virginia Tech shootings, and pledged that something similar would happen "at another highly populated university" if a PayPal account did not reach $50,000 in the next week. Officers testified that the threat could not be read from outside the car, and that they found no envelopes or stamps to indicate Oduwole planned to mail the note to anyone.

Oduwole said the note was merely rap lyrics. A jury didn't buy it, and sentenced him to five years in prison for the offense of attempting to make a terroristic threat. In other words, the purchase of the four handguns, plus the presence of the threatening note, indicated that Oduwole had taken a "substantial step" toward carrying out the act of threatening a mass shooting.

In a ruling handed down late yesterday, the three judges disagreed with the jury's reasoning, writing:

"On the continuum between preparation and perpetration, the acts cited by the State hover much closer to preparation that perpetration. The cited acts do not place the defendant in dangerous proximity to success ... The evidence in this record establishes at best preparatory activities that were consistent with a variety of scenarios."

The court did not address whether the law was constitutional, and upheld Oduwole's separate misdemeanor conviction for having an unauthorized gun in student housing.

A spokeswoman said Madison County prosecutor Tom Gibbons is reviewing the appeals court ruling and will be considering all options, including an appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court.
Not a good look for the team
 

Help me out here dam I have some questions

So is the plan here just to buy whatever property in Tulsa OK, and just "flip it" for a later profit?

Or is it to "buy the block" and then open up Black owned businesses and such?

That should've been the first thing discussed before a nickel was donated.

Hell man they can start in Detroit with those $4 houses folks were talking about some years ago.
 

Lol and it ain't their house either. I saw another video where the two ladies where like "we.gotta come back and take a tour of this home girl!"

Lol they're full of shit.

You would think with them Living in ATL they would at least have an office ON AUBURN AVENUE (a much bigger Black wall street) instead of Buckhead. With some plans of buying back THAT street. Well actually the black churches still own that street anyway.
 
from TONE'S YT PAGE

"Not sure what everyone is saying about this as a investment. Read the sec report before commenting. No management vote for investors,no clear plan, no money invested prior to realese. Also they say their not an investment company so don’t have to adhere to many regulations.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1704303/000147793218000550/tulsa_1a.htm#RISK%20FACTORS
Excerpt: You will have limited control over changes in our policies and operations, which increases the uncertainty and risks you face as a Member. Our Manager determines our major policies, including our policies regarding financing, growth and debt capitalization. Our Manager may amend or revise these and other policies without a vote of the Members. Our Manager’s broad discretion in setting policies and our Members’ inability to exert control over those policies increases the uncertainty and risks you face as a Member. In addition, our Manager may change our investment objectives without seeking Member approval. Although our board has fiduciary duties to our Members and intends only to change our investment objectives when the board determines that a change is in the best interests of our Members, a change in our investment objectives could cause a decline in the value of your investment in our company.{"

my bgol finance geniuses , pls comment
normally I would just laugh a- instead I'll share in the hopes others might begin to open their eyes...

so the terms quoted spellout that....
investors in Tulsa et al. can own shares that can be diluted or devalued by company management at anytime for any reason

And the shareholders have no oversight and zero recource to protect their investments.

Let that sink in for a moment - and then consider that in a viable public company:

Some of the first round investors (usually the largest shareholders) are able to get board seats -
at the very least they all have voting shares allowing them, with a majority vote, to remove and replace the board of directors for poor performance

Shareholders also vote on any dilution of their shares




y'all so caught up in the culture or just naive to see how this is a really bad deal.

Tulsa management can sell the company w/ assets and cut the investors out completely

Shit they could fold up shop next year keep the money and there wouldn't be a criminal case that could be made against them

at best investors would have to drag them to arbitration before seeing the inside of a civil court
 
normally I would just laugh a- instead I'll share in the hopes others might begin to open their eyes...

so the terms quoted spellout that....
investors in Tulsa et al. can own shares that can be diluted or devalued by company management at anytime for any reason

And the shareholders have no oversight and zero recource to protect their investments.

Let that sink in for a moment - and then consider that in a viable public company:

Some of the first round investors (usually the largest shareholders) are able to get board seats -
at the very least they all have voting shares allowing them, with a majority vote, to remove and replace the board of directors for poor performance

Shareholders also vote on any dilution of their shares




y'all so caught up in the culture or just naive to see how this is a really bad deal.

Tulsa management can sell the company w/ assets and cut the investors out completely

Shit they could fold up shop next year keep the money and there wouldn't be a criminal case that could be made against them

at best investors would have to drag them to arbitration before seeing the inside of a civil court
thank you for clarifying it, im not an active investor but i listened to TONETALK to understand all sides , and what he pointed out just couldnt be ignored, and im not TONEs biggest fan by any stretch. deep within me i want him to succeed tho. i just wont be able to stomach & stand watching it crumble. i pray the succeed
 
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thank you for clarifying it, im not an active investor but i listened to TONETALK to understand all sides , and what he pointed out just couldnt be ignored, and im not TONEs biggest fan by any stretch. deep within me i want him to succeed tho. i just wont be able to stomach & stand watching it crumble. i pray the succeed
unfortunately
they do not have the same goals for success that you do...

people seeking success (financial gain) for themselves and their investors will not structure a new company the way they did Tulsa

They gave themselves multiple loop holes to legally run away with any future assets and everyone's money
 
unfortunately
they do not have the same goals for success that you do...

people seeking success (financial gain) for themselves and their investors will not structure a new company the way they did Tulsa

They gave themselves multiple loop holes
to legally run away with any future assets and everyone's money
wow!! i really hate to read that! thanks
 
One of the side benefits of this offering is that if you wanted to create a smaller one for your family, it creates a framework, and a list of criticisms to be addressed.

They will hit the minimum number. I hope they address the common complaints and not “you don’t ask the white man these questions “ type answers
 
FIVE THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE INVESTING IN TULSA REAL ESTATE FUND
Posted by Courtney | May 25, 2018 | Commentary, real estate,Stocks, Tax Strategies | 21 |


On February 2, 2018, the Tulsa Real Estate Fund (“Tulsa”) received its Notice of Qualification as a Regulation A+ Tier 2 crowdfund becoming the first African American owned crowdfunding platform focused on “buying the block.”

SEC qualification does not mean approval in the ordinary sense. The SEC has not, and will not, assess the merits, accuracy, or completeness of the Company’s information in its Offering Circular. Qualification means Tulsa met the legal disclosure and regulatory requirements under Regulation A+ to begin selling its units to the public. Under the law, SEC is only required to ensure that the Company tells investors everything. Admittedly, an investor interpreting “everything” to determine if an investment is a good fit, can be hard. Here’s a link to the Offering Circular. But here’s five things I think you need to know before investing.


THIS IS NOT THE IPO THAT YOU ARE USED TO



In 2012, President Obama infused new life into the investment world by signing the Jumpstart Our Business Start-Ups Act (the JOBS Act). The Act created a less cumbersome path for small and large businesses under $1 billion to obtain funding. It increased the amount of money that small businesses could raise from $5 million to $50 million. It also provided provisions for non-accredited investors, who are normally excluded from this process, to get involved through crowdfunding. The act’s rule, Regulation A+, essentially created a “mini IPO” process for small businesses.

Many investors are familiar with JOBS Act facilitated IPOs such asSnapchat, Dropbox, and Blue Apron. However, potential Tulsa investors need to understand they may not be able to sell their units because “no public market exists” and that their ability to transfer the units are limited. To withdraw, a member who has been in the investment for at least 12 months, must contact Tulsa directly.


THE SPECIFICS OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE UNKNOWN

As of the date of the Offering Circular, Tulsa had not identified the assets it intended to acquire. Members will not have the opportunity to evaluate Tulsa’s investments before they are made which, as Tulsa disclosed, makes the investment more speculative. Although Tulsa’s name pays homage to the infamous Black Wall Street which was located just outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma, Tulsa will be investing in single family, multi-family and commercial properties throughout the United States in urban neighborhoods.

TULSA REAL ESTATE FUND IS NOT A $50 MILLION REAL ESTATE FUND


As of the date of its Offering Circular, the Company had $0 in cash and total liabilities of $15,350. The fund is authorized to raise up to $50 million over a twelve-month period as a Tier 2 Real Estate crowdfund. Generally, the average fund raises $18.2 million.

The independent auditors noted substantial doubts that Tulsa will be able to continue operations for the foreseeable future without needing to liquidate to fulfill its financial obligations. Management’s plans to reduce or minimize the auditors’ doubts report were insufficient to modify their opinion. Therefore, it seems unlikely that the fund will be able to meet its strategy of paying a preferred annualized return of 8% or realize a profit to distribute to its members.

THE OFFERING PRICE IS ARBITRARY
The company’s offering price of $50 per unit is “arbitrary and does not reflect book value of [the] Class A interests.” Currently, the Tulsa does not own any assets; it has not “conducted any revenue-generating activities” nor has it “generated any revenue since inception.” As a result, the per unit offering price is solely a function of raising capital, 1,000,000 units at $50 per unit, not a true reflection of the company’s value.


ONCE YOU’RE IN, YOU’RE LOCKED IN FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.



Tulsa is a long-term investment. The minimum investment is $500. However, subscribers may start to fund their investment account with $50; they have 180 days to become a member.

However, once an investor becomes a member of Tulsa, they are locked in for 12 months. After twelve months have passed and a member wishes to withdraw, Tulsa will use its best efforts to return the member’s money. In the event Tulsa does not have sufficient cash available, it will not liquidate assets and will distribute the cash available on a pro rata basis.

FINAL THOUGHTS
The Tulsa Real Estate Fund is an excellent concept to help combat gentrification in African American communities. If I were not solicited on multiple occasions about the merits of the investment, I would have reserved comment.

This company has been in existence since July of 2016 but has yet to purchase any real estate. It is impossible to determine the company’s ability, regardless of the manager’s experience, to sustain itself let alone provide its stated annualized return. There is a strong possibility, as noted in the Tulsa’s Offering Circular, that investors could lose “their entire investment.” I have an additional concern regarding the ability of novice investors to manage their expectations regarding the company’s performance and return.

At this point, Tulsa is a purely speculative investment. It should only be considered as an option for a sophisticated investor who can withstand the loss of their entire investment and fully appreciate and withstand the risks that accompany investing in this type of offering.
 
http://colorful.money/should-you-invest-in-tulsa-real-estate-fund/
"Continuing through its SEC filing the risk factors has one particularly troubling section. It states, “We are significantly dependent on Jay Morrison. The loss or unavailability of his services would have an adverse effect on our business, operations and prospects in that we may not be able to obtain new management under the same financial arrangements, which could result in a loss of your investment.”

The organization is stating, clearly, that they are wholly and completely dependent on Jay Morrison and his direction. Should he no longer continue in the business and they cannot replace him with someone of similar knowledge, you may lose your investment. That is a significant risk as there appears to be no business continuity or contingency plan in the event that Mr. Morrison is unable to or chooses not to continue with the organization. His current roles within the management company are listed as Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operations Officer, and Chief Technology Officer. With the exception of the General Counsel position, he holds all of the executive officer positions and provides investment guidance and direction to TREF."
 
unfortunately
they do not have the same goals for success that you do...

people seeking success (financial gain) for themselves and their investors will not structure a new company the way they did Tulsa

They gave themselves multiple loop holes to legally run away with any future assets and everyone's money
And they'll easily just say not enough peoppe "love us" as much as they do, they didn't get enough money, they were sabotaged by white supremacy, or whatever
 
my 2 cents.....

i am giving jay a chance. i absolutely hate the fact that when a black man is trying to do something, we tear him down before he even gets started. THESE MOFOS are quick to tear a brother down but dont have any solutions themselves to get the black economic engine going again. i follow each one of these prominent people. i willing give a person a chance if they have a reasonable expectation of winning. you miss 100% of the shots you never take.

I grow sick and tired of all these academics with masters and doctorates thinkin they are smarter than the hustlers on the street or entrprenuers that ar building businesses. thats why i understand when jay says he isnt laying out a plan for public consumption bc real estate is an insiders game. i been in real estate for more than 10 years as an investor, prospector, and owner...and know that you cant say nothing to moos. bc even mofos on your team will scoop you on deals. it happened to me 3 times with 3 different partnerships, which is why i went solo, then cooled out on prospecting/investing. its hard to make it out here as a black business man. you got to worry about the larger sharks and your own weight class competing with you. Give them no edge, and no info until the ink is dry on the project. we can talk all you want afterwards.

but im still waiting for t he academics to come up with a working strategy that gets black men off the sidelines and into the investment game. ...still waiting! I used to think like them too....like post secondary education was the ish...it only teaches you how to work for someone else.
One of my homies in Atlanta who used to be in game 20 years ago, never went to college, but owns 7 successful businesses and does well for himself...said not going to college was his biggest regret...he is working toward his degree now but he said something to me that i will never forget.
he said, "I DONT HAVE A DEGREE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME DO!" i dont think he realized what he said at the time, but it hit me like bat hitting a homerun ball. What i took from that statement was, the people that work for him, that manage his businesses..do have degrees even though he owns the companies.

from that moment on, i change the thought process from working for someone else to trying to have my own side hustle. I still have a day job, but i also got a side hustle too. Sometimes its hard to make them fit together but if they pay off, then i am the one that will directly benefit from my own efforts....and no more stressing over "getting a job"....ill be creating my own job.
 
His current roles within the management company are listed as Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Chief Operations Officer, and Chief Technology Officer. With the exception of the General Counsel position, he holds all of the executive officer positions and provides investment guidance and direction to TREF."
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"we're looking to buy... a cannabis farm and warehousing for crypto mining...etc"
real estate development, private capital, bridge financing etc - its sounds very diverse and ambitious my concern is each of the things he listed require expertise that
a. Jay doesn't have
b. is very expensive to bring in


im still waiting for t he academics to come up with a working strategy that gets black men off the sidelines and into the investment game. ...still waiting!
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Nice to see these guys not throwing a brother under the bus for a change. Good breakdown of Jay’s project in the first 10-15 minutes.




Unlike this nigga.

 
my 2 cents.....

i am giving jay a chance. i absolutely hate the fact that when a black man is trying to do something, we tear him down before he even gets started. THESE MOFOS are quick to tear a brother down but dont have any solutions themselves to get the black economic engine going again. i follow each one of these prominent people. i willing give a person a chance if they have a reasonable expectation of winning. you miss 100% of the shots you never take.

I grow sick and tired of all these academics with masters and doctorates thinkin they are smarter than the hustlers on the street or entrprenuers that ar building businesses. thats why i understand when jay says he isnt laying out a plan for public consumption bc real estate is an insiders game. i been in real estate for more than 10 years as an investor, prospector, and owner...and know that you cant say nothing to moos. bc even mofos on your team will scoop you on deals. it happened to me 3 times with 3 different partnerships, which is why i went solo, then cooled out on prospecting/investing. its hard to make it out here as a black business man. you got to worry about the larger sharks and your own weight class competing with you. Give them no edge, and no info until the ink is dry on the project. we can talk all you want afterwards.

but im still waiting for t he academics to come up with a working strategy that gets black men off the sidelines and into the investment game. ...still waiting! I used to think like them too....like post secondary education was the ish...it only teaches you how to work for someone else.
One of my homies in Atlanta who used to be in game 20 years ago, never went to college, but owns 7 successful businesses and does well for himself...said not going to college was his biggest regret...he is working toward his degree now but he said something to me that i will never forget.
he said, "I DONT HAVE A DEGREE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME DO!" i dont think he realized what he said at the time, but it hit me like bat hitting a homerun ball. What i took from that statement was, the people that work for him, that manage his businesses..do have degrees even though he owns the companies.

from that moment on, i change the thought process from working for someone else to trying to have my own side hustle. I still have a day job, but i also got a side hustle too. Sometimes its hard to make them fit together but if they pay off, then i am the one that will directly benefit from my own efforts....and no more stressing over "getting a job"....ill be creating my own job.
The ol’ ‘stop tearing a black man down’ defense....that’s when you know it’s a scam.
 
Nice to see these guys not throwing a brother under the bus for a change. Good breakdown of Jay’s project in the first 10-15 minutes.


Dude admitted in the first ten minutes that he hasn’t read the details....yet they go on for another hour about how people are haters and something about black panther. These dudes are either in on the scam or idiots, or both.
 
Nice to see these guys not throwing a brother under the bus for a change. Good breakdown of Jay’s project in the first 10-15 minutes.


the 2nd video is overly negative almost hating - but the first video - the mentality about "the white man's ice is colder" they are describing is a problem I have fought many times professionally. But on the FACTS that guy doesn't know wtf he is talking about...

SEC qualification does not mean approval in the ordinary sense. The SEC has not, and will not, assess the merits, accuracy, or completeness of the Company’s information in its Offering Circular. Qualification means Tulsa met the legal disclosure and regulatory requirements under Regulation A+ to begin selling its units to the public. Under the law, SEC is only required to ensure that the Company tells investors everything.


Like I stated in a previous post - Tulsa is telling everything about the risk-
But they also know the uninitiated wouldn't comprehend or perceive the lack of safeguards from the fund becoming a ponzi scheme.
Also their offering spells out multiple ways for management to dissolve the fund while keeping the assets -

As long as this was disclosed in the offering the SEC is ok with it and its legal
coupled with the fact that management has no skin in the game - its glaring...

If the offering described a plan to use the fund to form an REIT instead of only functioning "similar" to one - much of the criticism would disappear
 
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my 2 cents.....

i am giving jay a chance. i absolutely hate the fact that when a black man is trying to do something, we tear him down before he even gets started. THESE MOFOS are quick to tear a brother down but dont have any solutions themselves to get the black economic engine going again. i follow each one of these prominent people. i willing give a person a chance if they have a reasonable expectation of winning. you miss 100% of the shots you never take.

I grow sick and tired of all these academics with masters and doctorates thinkin they are smarter than the hustlers on the street or entrprenuers that ar building businesses. thats why i understand when jay says he isnt laying out a plan for public consumption bc real estate is an insiders game. i been in real estate for more than 10 years as an investor, prospector, and owner...and know that you cant say nothing to moos. bc even mofos on your team will scoop you on deals. it happened to me 3 times with 3 different partnerships, which is why i went solo, then cooled out on prospecting/investing. its hard to make it out here as a black business man. you got to worry about the larger sharks and your own weight class competing with you. Give them no edge, and no info until the ink is dry on the project. we can talk all you want afterwards.

but im still waiting for t he academics to come up with a working strategy that gets black men off the sidelines and into the investment game. ...still waiting! I used to think like them too....like post secondary education was the ish...it only teaches you how to work for someone else.
One of my homies in Atlanta who used to be in game 20 years ago, never went to college, but owns 7 successful businesses and does well for himself...said not going to college was his biggest regret...he is working toward his degree now but he said something to me that i will never forget.
he said, "I DONT HAVE A DEGREE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME DO!" i dont think he realized what he said at the time, but it hit me like bat hitting a homerun ball. What i took from that statement was, the people that work for him, that manage his businesses..do have degrees even though he owns the companies.

from that moment on, i change the thought process from working for someone else to trying to have my own side hustle. I still have a day job, but i also got a side hustle too. Sometimes its hard to make them fit together but if they pay off, then i am the one that will directly benefit from my own efforts....and no more stressing over "getting a job"....ill be creating my own job.
if you ain't giving him at least 500 bucks then you ain't "giving him a chance". And if you are giving him that, then you HOPE he will find your 500 into more than that within a year.
 
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"we're looking to buy... a cannabis farm and warehousing for crypto mining...etc"
real estate development, private capital, bridge financing etc - its sounds very diverse and ambitious my concern is each of the things he listed require expertise that
a. Jay doesn't have
b. is very expensive to bring in



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Yeah, who's gonna run the cannibus farm? Why do we think that's gonna be succesful?
Cryptocurrency? Bruh that's on the Downturn already

And the Ymca he says he's "one signature away" from getting, I seriously doubt. That's a historic building. Matter of fact I live near it. I'm gonna find out how true that is this week.
 
The ol’ ‘stop tearing a black man down’ defense....that’s when you know it’s a scam.
bruh....its not a defense. im saying i worked behind closed doors at some the most intricate levels in government, including dod, the intel community and dhs. im telling you that these people throw shit together haphasardly and make up the rules as they go. fuck the sec, S and P, and most of these rating agencies. bc they allow the politics and certain people with enough power to get away with shit that you and I would be denied or thrown under the jail for...the level if power and influence these people have is enough to move the scales and the set the environment/situation in their favor. so if a black man can come up with a way to get things moving for the community...ill support him. but im also strategically risking money by staggering the risk. ALL INVESTING IS A RISK. you may lose...but then again, you may win. i love to see my people eat and get money....they may fail but you will learn on the way to success. nobody EVER EVER AKS a successful person the number of times they failed bc winners all know that you only win or you learn.
let people learn...win or lose bc there is nothinglike losing money to make people get mad and get off their asses and learn how/what/when/who caused those losses...then they will be smarter for it. in the military we had a saying...you mad, good. mad gets shit done.
if they win, good...bless up! if they lose, still good...learn from your mistakes, get smarter, be better. as my grand dad used to say...some times bought sense is the best sense....its a lesson you will never get...meaning if you learn things the hard way, you will not forget the lesson. its why i am willing to take a few longshots on street hustlers in corporate america.
if the kids on the corner that manage hundred to thousands of dollars a day in the game can take that same level of talent and thought and apply it to the investment game, CORPORATE AMERICA WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE BC THOSE KIDS WOULD EAT THEM ALIVE AND COME BACK FOR SECONDS. these trust fund silver spoon babaies that are killing the investment game got there by their parents hooking them up or playing dirty..ie cheating but if their children were place in a level playing field with ours in the hustle game....well you know what it is, and what itll be.
let the man try, thats all any man can do. if you know who reginald lewis is, then apply that same hustling logic to this...if not, read his book, why should white guys have all the fun. I have it in my personal library.

when the dust settles, either he will succeed or fail. but im looking down the road at whats coming. i believe its is black peoples time...time to return to greatness, time to return to working together, finding solutions, and helping build our own communities. "WE " HAVE TO START GIVING EACH OTHER CHANCES BC NO OTHER PEOPLE WILL...nor do they want to see the black dollars leave their businesses for our own communities. let the BOBs rise again and help build us for us.
 
if you ain't giving him at least 500 bucks then you ain't "giving him a chance". And if you are giving him that, then you HOPE he will find your 500 into more than that within a year.
in every investment that i have ever done, there is a minimum investment or qualified investor requirement...otherwise throwing 50 dollars at it is like anna nicole smith who married the billionaire bringing her paycheck home to hubby and saying , here put this with the rest and thinking she deserves an equal share.
 
So what's the word,should I invest or not? Dont feel like reading the thread
I invested a small amount because the project is interesting and give me a chance to hone my researching skills however, his team isn’t looking so good on paper, still unproven in financial real estate hedging market........I wouldn’t invest a significant amount for now.
 
I’m rooting for Jay, but he better peep notes from the Umar debacle.

Two years from now don’t be on some “I’m still looking for that town.”

I just drove through Baltimore a few weeks ago and there’s an Avon don town right outside of city limits that is ripe for buying.
 
bruh....its not a defense. im saying i worked behind closed doors at some the most intricate levels in government, including dod, the intel community and dhs. im telling you that these people throw shit together haphasardly and make up the rules as they go. fuck the sec, S and P, and most of these rating agencies. bc they allow the politics and certain people with enough power to get away with shit that you and I would be denied or thrown under the jail for...the level if power and influence these people have is enough to move the scales and the set the environment/situation in their favor. so if a black man can come up with a way to get things moving for the community...ill support him. but im also strategically risking money by staggering the risk. ALL INVESTING IS A RISK. you may lose...but then again, you may win. i love to see my people eat and get money....they may fail but you will learn on the way to success. nobody EVER EVER AKS a successful person the number of times they failed bc winners all know that you only win or you learn.
let people learn...win or lose bc there is nothinglike losing money to make people get mad and get off their asses and learn how/what/when/who caused those losses...then they will be smarter for it. in the military we had a saying...you mad, good. mad gets shit done.
if they win, good...bless up! if they lose, still good...learn from your mistakes, get smarter, be better. as my grand dad used to say...some times bought sense is the best sense....its a lesson you will never get...meaning if you learn things the hard way, you will not forget the lesson. its why i am willing to take a few longshots on street hustlers in corporate america.
if the kids on the corner that manage hundred to thousands of dollars a day in the game can take that same level of talent and thought and apply it to the investment game, CORPORATE AMERICA WOULDNT STAND A CHANCE BC THOSE KIDS WOULD EAT THEM ALIVE AND COME BACK FOR SECONDS. these trust fund silver spoon babaies that are killing the investment game got there by their parents hooking them up or playing dirty..ie cheating but if their children were place in a level playing field with ours in the hustle game....well you know what it is, and what itll be.
let the man try, thats all any man can do. if you know who reginald lewis is, then apply that same hustling logic to this...if not, read his book, why should white guys have all the fun. I have it in my personal library.

when the dust settles, either he will succeed or fail. but im looking down the road at whats coming. i believe its is black peoples time...time to return to greatness, time to return to working together, finding solutions, and helping build our own communities. "WE " HAVE TO START GIVING EACH OTHER CHANCES BC NO OTHER PEOPLE WILL...nor do they want to see the black dollars leave their businesses for our own communities. let the BOBs rise again and help build us for us.
Step 1. Establish quasi-credibilty/appeal to authority. I am credible because I was in the breakroom of the DOD, so I’m credible.

Step 2. Lower the goal post. All investments are shitty, this one is no different.

Step 3. Say something good about black people, yeah, that’ll get’em on your side.

Step 4. Ignore the facts, stay away from numbers, and if they haven’t given you their money yet go back to step 1.
 
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