Um no. They had great role players.
Look at phil in LA. Same coach same system.....what about phil in new york as coach same coach same system
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Look at phil in LA. Same coach same system.....what about phil in new york as coach same coach same system
That's what I said. I said they might not have had BIG NAMES, but they had a perfectly constructed team.
On paper, those teams didn't have any flaws. They might not have been great everywhere, but they didn't have holes. You had rebounders, interior defenders, perimeter defenders, shooters....and because of the triple post + and Jordan, you didn't need a good PG or a big man in the post.
Semis. Not finals. Robbed at chance to make finals.
Pats analogy fails tho. MJ had top 50 great in Pip (who was in best player convo when MJ ran away) and HOF talent in Rodman. Brady never had the comparable an entire career or run.
He played more games that year than his prior year with Lebron. So your point is Miami could not win with just Wade and Bosh. They need Lebron to win. Because the year after Lebron both Wade and Bosh played in over 50 games and decided to shut it down when there was no way they could make it to the playoffs without Lebron
From 2005-2011 phil coached the lakers and only got 2 chips. Think those teams would have won 2 fewer games without kobe bryant if he sat out? After all same coach same system......would a hall of fame coach be good enough to make lakers get to the finals?
Football is different. Brady always had a top ranked defense and running game. Literally check it...everytime they won, their defense was ranked in the top 3 (often 1) and they had a top rushing game.
The system wasn't built on individual skill positioned players. It was systematic. Very similar to how the triple post operates in that once a player learns the system, you can plug and play people in.
The Bulls didnt make their 1st run on the triple post.. but that second 3 peat was all triple post offense.
My point about Brady is that he doesn't need to be Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers gets put out there every single year with a trash ass defense and below average running game and has to make that shirt work. BB has a competitive team whether Brady plays or not.. that's why they've always been able to fleece people when those backups come out and look competent. I'm not knocking brady.. i went to school with the muthafucka..and he cold as fuck.. but he's fortunate in that he has BB.
That's why I give Lebron props.. because he's had very few seasons where he's been "fortunate".
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Yup he had one of the great 2 way players and best passing non point guard other than lebron and best role player maybe ever with Rodman.
My point is that Bosh and Wade missed collectively 70 games that season. Nigga...get the fuck outta here. You lose 80 games from Lebron and then 70 from Wade and Bosh. The record for them next year would be relevant if Bosh and Wade actually played a reasonable number of games.
It was said today. Pippen, Rodman,Grant never missed a playoff game over the Bulls runs. Not 1. Think of all the games Bron had guys out injured in the playoffs from Wade, from Bosh, from Kyrie, to Love, etc.
I think so. And they might have hit the same wall in the playoffs (they definitely win more than one series though). The triple post offense could still run because they ran it through Shaq. Kobe was important as the one-two punch down the stretch in the playoffs... much like Kyrie was with Cleveland the year they won (however Kobe was much more important on the defense end).
I dont know what kinda of new math you are calculating but if an NBA player plays in 53 games there are only 29 other games left in a season. If two players play in 53 games there are 29 games per player for a total of 58 missed not 70. Which also means they played a collectively 106 games together.
The Heat entered the 2014–15 season as the defending Eastern Conference champions. Although they remained in playoff contention until early April, The Heat were eliminated from playoff contention after their game 80 loss.
So stop, the Heat were a lottery team and Wade and Bosh did play that season.
With Wade/Bosh or without they ended in the same place come playoff time that couch next to Embiid.
They actually had bottom third rush once or twice and middle pack defense twice..... But thats neither her nor there... and thats getting away from my original point. Im only saying MJ had more help than advertised. More specifically, more help than Lebron. Period.
You're not doing it correctly. You need to rethink that.
Also, those missed games didn't all overlap. So you have a team lose a lebron (and pretty much get no replacement value) and then had the two other stars nearly collectively miss a season worth of games.
This is not even up for debate. You take a star off a team and they remove the two other stars for 60 games and they're record is going to plummet...no matter how good the team is. Remove Durant from the warriors and remove Curry and Draymond for 60 fucking games... they probably won't even make the playoffs in the west. The example you gave is stupid and fallacious. It's only a good example IF the team remains similar to the season before and only that said player is removed. Nigga Bosh and Wade missed 60 fucking games the next season and they were running with a bum squad by the end of the season. sit down.
I've already posted that shit in another thread on bgol. I posted every season.
Last season by scoring even when they started the year out getting raped, the Pats defense finished the season ranked #5. it's a bend but dont break defense. Over the second half of the season, they were ranked #1. In two of their title years, they ranked 1, another season 2, and another one #3.
In pretty much every title season, they had a top 3 defense and a top rushing attack. It wasn't until the last two seasons that they went full dump off and turned the running game into the short dump off out of the backfield game.. long handoffs.
But go look at every year they've won the super bowl and look where they defense and rushing attack has been ranked. (outside of their last title, where the defense was still #5, in every other super bowl winning season, they had a top defense (top 3) as minimum and/or top rushing attack. I'm not saying they always had BOTH every season. I'm saying they at least had one and it was typically a top ranked defense).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2001/opp.htm #6
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/opp.htm #1
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/opp.htm #2
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2014/opp.htm #8
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm #1
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That's my point you remove Durant from Warriors and Steph is injured for 30 plus games. I dont think the Warriors go into the lottery but they will also not be the number two seed. My point was with Mia losing Lebron his productions was supposed to be filled with a prime Luol Deng. You cant replace a generational player with a nice piece and just because of the system they run. That's what separate Lebron from all of the other greats. He is "The System"
First he was like..........
Then he was all........
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2001/opp.htm #6
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/opp.htm #1
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2004/opp.htm #2
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2014/opp.htm #8
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/opp.htm #1
He always had at least one of them. That's just on the defense alone. and in two of the seasons they had a rushing attack ranked #7 and that's even with the way they use their RBs and dump off receivers.
I'm actually making an argument in support of your premise... Lebron always does more with way less.
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Da fuc we arguing about then?
I don't disagree. Trying to replace Lebron with Deng is not going to cut it.
But I'm always saying they went to Lottery status because they lost Lebron and Wade and Bosh missed SIGNIFICANT time. If you remove Durant and replace him with who was there before he got there and then you remove Draymond for 40 games and then Steph for another 20, I question if they would make it to the playoffs in the west. They might not win 47 games.
And that's why I brought up the Triple Post offense and also Bill Belichick and the Pats system as examples. Lebron needs shooters and defenders and he'll make the rest work.
Uh huh..
Coon Smith picked the Cavs for most of the season to go back to the Finals yet he changed his mind. Hell, it was only until the last 10 or 15 games he changed his mind and picked the 6ers to go to the Finals. Dude is just upset that his 6ers pick didn't pan out.
If,the Cavs would of loss,he would been shitting on LeBron for kicking Kyrie out.
If LeBron was being guarded by white boys in half his Finals appearances.
It would of been interesting to see Jordan being guarded by a fully healthy Payton. People always forget Payton was injured and a certain coach that will remain nameless waited til Game 4 to put Payton on Jordan for most of the game and series. I couldn't believe the coach put Nate McMillan on Jordan at the beginning of the series...
Absolutely. He was prepping that argument all month. "Ran Kyrie out of town" is how he kept referencing it.
These last few pages
More entertaining than discussing the Warriors.
SAS is ALWAYS wrong when it comes to predictions.
Last year was his first year picking the finals champs
It was not a sure thing. Cavs won by 9 and the Celtics had a horrible shooting night. They had to win in Boston which they didn't prove they could do previously. But it wasn't a long shot to see the Cavs back in.
Even,then he shouldn't get major props since everyone was picking the Warriors.I think his pick loss 10 years in the row before last season.
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