Ultimate Horror Film Thread

[playahaitian]

True, but unless it's a very conventional superhero story or played for comedy, it likely wouldn't be considered a superhero film.

For instance, if Blade wasn't a character in Marvel comics, the films wouldn't be considered superhero films any more than the Underworld films are. They would be action/horror with no mention of superheroes.

Honestly, I don't believe there's been a superhero, even a very conventional one, specifically created by Hollywood that wasn't played for comedy. I certainly can't recall a superhero film where the character didn't originate in comics that was played straight.

Actually, Unbreakable may the only original Hollywood superhero film that was played straight. But that wasn't conventional since it was a metafictional analysis of the superhero genre. The villain's whole purpose was to find, or even create in a way, a superhero.

To bring it back to my original point, calling something a superhero film doesn't carry much weight since pretty much any genre can include superheroes.

But honestly any genre can include anything. It doesn't really matter.

Trust me M Night is going to tell you that was all comic book super villain superhero. As well as the other examples I gave that can blur the lines.

so it seems its more territorial?

underworld to me should be considered superhero. Much respect to my brother Grevioux. Why wouldn't it be? But its also action. And horror.

I'm not big into labeling everything.

Its all whatever - its not important besides time wasting fan stuff.

So all action heroes are essentially superheroes by that logic. And many horror legends are super villains? Is resident evil horror?

Let's not get into Me3an.

I'm still lost on why its important to categorize and why one movie can't be multiple things?

 

[Piff Henderson]

I'm still lost on why its important to categorize and why one movie can't be multiple things?

It's not important to us -- it can be fun to discuss though like anything else involving film -- but I was drawn into an argument by one of the brethren for supposedly mis-genreing a particular horror comedy with a mutant protagonist.

That being said, I'd rather discuss the minutiae of film genres than shit like box office numbers and advertising. I don't give fuck about how much a film made or how well it was advertised. So that's probably one place where you and I differ on the topic of film.

 

[playahaitian]

It's not important to us -- it can be fun to discuss though like anything else involving film -- but I was drawn into an argument by one of the brethren for supposedly mis-genreing a particular horror comedy with a mutant protagonist.

That being said, I'd rather discuss the minutiae of film genres than shit like box office numbers and advertising. I don't give fuck about how much a film made or how well it was advertised. So that's probably one place where you and I differ on the topic of film.

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[playahaitian]

It's not important to us -- it can be fun to discuss though like anything else involving film -- but I was drawn into an argument by one of the brethren for supposedly mis-genreing a particular horror comedy with a mutant protagonist.

That being said, I'd rather discuss the minutiae of film genres than shit like box office numbers and advertising. I don't give fuck about how much a film made or how well it was advertised. So that's probably one place where you and I differ on the topic of film.

I understand. But I actually hate box office numbers and sales numbers being included in debates. I hate lists and rankings too.

In all art period.

But in 2025 and "information " and opinions being so vast and accessible it ruins everything.

Unfortunately because things like advertising and promotion are so vastly different in this era it trickles in because it can reflective of mismanagement.

And with over inflated budgets it effects EVERYTHING else in the industry potentially what a studio releases next.

And on this board we have people who actually work for studios, vendors, animation, promotion and production.

So if you see me engaging its most likely someone who understands all the differences in the business.

All that being said box office much like stats in sports can be a PART of the discussion. Just not THE discussion.

Because something i keep reminding dudes on here...NEVER 100% trust numbers a studio or executive gives out publicly traded company or not.

Transformers One was a box office disappointment. But it was excellent. Thats true. We (ration people) can discuss why it failed to connect and the marketplace and promotion without losing that point.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I only raise this topic because there was seemingly an implication that something couldn't be classified as horror if were a superhero film.

Nobody implicated this

What was split? A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the villain

What was bright burn ? A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the villain

 

[Piff Henderson]

Nobody implicated this

What was split? A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the villain

What was bright burn ? A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the villain

The Toxic Avenger: A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the hero.

 

[Piff Henderson]

And on this board we have people who actually work for studios, vendors, animation, promotion and production.

I'm definitely aware of this. We also have people on the creative side of things on here too -- writers, artists, directors and the like. Those are the people whose perspectives I'm always interested in learning more about.

 

[playahaitian]

I'm definitely aware of this. We also have people on the creative side of things on here too -- writers, artists, directors and the like. Those are the people whose perspectives I'm always interested in learning more about.

So you know why box office enters our conversations.

Thats why I was confused by your comment

 

[tallblacknyc]

The Toxic Avenger: A horror superhero flick about the origin story about the hero.

This the trailer.. Literally all you heard was superhero throughout the monologue.. You remember you said you never thought of toxic avenger as a superhero



Now do you want to see split trailer and see the difference.. Can even show you clips of toxic avenger where its over the top silly cheesy comedy

 

[Piff Henderson]

So you know why box office enters our conversations.

Thats why I was confused by your comment

I didn't question why it enters the conversation. I was clear I, personally, didn't care for that topic. That's all.

Where I made a mistake was assuming you enjoyed discussing marketing and box office numbers but you corrected me and said you would rather avoid that topic but understand that people who work in that industry find that topic important.

Nothing I wrote should've confused you with all due respect, fam.

 

[Piff Henderson]

This the trailer.. Literally all you heard was superhero throughout the monologue.. You remember you said you never thought of toxic avenger as a superhero



Now do you want to see split trailer and see the difference.. Can even show you clips of toxic avenger where its over the top silly cheesy comedy

I never once said I didn't think of Toxie as a superhero. In fact, I repeatedly agreed with you that he is a superhero and that TTA is a superhero film. All I said, which you took issue with, was that it was a horror film.

What I did question was considering "superhero" an actual film genre. I don't believe it is and I explained why I don't. That's a general point I was making that had nothing to do with TTA.

Everything else you've been arguing against, like whether it should count as science fiction or not, was stated by IMDb not me.

The only hill I'm willing to die on is that it's horror.

 

[tallblacknyc]

The only hill I'm willing to die on is that it's horror.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Furthermore, I never heard it called a superhero film like you did in your last reply though I can see how that fits.

Is this what you're talking about, @tallblacknyc? Well, it's true, I never heard it referred to as a superhero film because, one, no one ever mentions it when they discuss superhero films and, two, most of the reviews I've read about it call it a comedy horror. I wasn't expressing my opinion about it.

Personally, I consider it a superhero film which is why I wrote "I can see how that fits."

 

[Piff Henderson]

I did your Pepsi Challenge and asked Google. You weren't clear what you wanted, so I assumed you just wanted me to search for it on Google and look at the genre listed. But it seems you wanted me to ask Google AI about the genre.

I did ask Google AI and posted a screenshot of the result above. It called the film "genre-bending" and also a "splatter horror." So, even your method, which you claimed I was avoiding, called it a horror.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Is this what you're talking about, @tallblacknyc? Well, it's true, I never heard it referred to as a superhero film because, one, no one ever mentions it when they discuss superhero films and, two, most of the reviews I've read about it call it a comedy horror. I wasn't expressing my opinion about it.

Personally, I consider it a superhero film which is why I wrote "I can see how that fits."

84 low budget film that was cheesy so its not mention as often when talking about the big leagues.. But it has built its on cult of followers and was 1 of those 80s movies lots of us saw in that era.. They eventually created the cartoon around that cult following.. It was always known as the cheesy gory over the top superhero flick

 

[Piff Henderson]

84 low budget film that was cheesy so its not mention as often when talking about the big leagues.. But it has built its on cult of followers and was 1 of those 80s movies lots of us saw in that era.. They eventually created the cartoon around that cult following.. It was always known as the cheesy gory over the top superhero flick

This is cool. I wasn't up on much of history of it. I knew it gained a cult following and even had novelizations (one supposedly written by the author Terry Southern IIRC) but I've never heard it discussed as much as, say, The Rocky Horry Picture Show. Honestly, as over-the-top as it is, compared to the '70s midnight movie stuff, it's pretty tame.

 

[tallblacknyc]

This is cool. I wasn't up on much of history of it. I knew it gained a cult following and even had novelizations (one supposedly written by the author Terry Southern IIRC) but I've never heard it discussed as much as, say, The Rocky Horry Picture Show. Honestly, as over-the-top as it is, compared to the '70s midnight movie stuff, it's pretty tame.

The rocky horror thing is a whole diff convo.. Toxic is 84.. So you think kids, teens of that era.. Watching something they not really supposed to.. Its not really kid friendly, with adult themes, sexual in nature, lots of violence, extra graphic violence.. That also is another reason why some people won't talk about it in comic book realm it wasn't so g-pg rated.. 1 of those things you saw on cable or maybe VHS if you were lucky, so very limited access to it.. Still got a cult following and than got the cartoon that was obviously watered down to make it kid friendly

 

[playahaitian]

I didn't question why it enters the conversation. I was clear I, personally, didn't care for that topic. That's all.

Where I made a mistake was assuming you enjoyed discussing marketing and box office numbers but you corrected me and said you would rather avoid that topic but understand that people who work in that industry find that topic important.

Nothing I wrote should've confused you with all due respect, fam.

That was part that threw me.

I've said this a lot on here but I get it trust me in some of these long drawn out back and forth? It gets hazy.

I actually almost got a real archivist to find out when exactly newspapers started listing box office numbers regularly

 

[Piff Henderson]

The rocky horror thing is a whole diff convo.. Toxic is 84.. So you think kids, teens of that era.. Watching something they not really supposed to.. Its not really kid friendly, with adult themes, sexual in nature, lots of violence, extra graphic violence.. That also is another reason why some people won't talk about it in comic book realm it wasn't so g-pg rated.. 1 of those things you saw on cable or maybe VHS if you were lucky, so very limited access to it.. Still got a cult following and than got the cartoon that was obviously watered down to make it kid friendly

I watched TTA in the mid-late 90s as a kid. A friend of mine in the neighborhood had the VHS. I was around the age of 10-11, which is probably the perfect age to watch a movie like this. This was around the same time I watched the original IT adaptation. If I were a little older, I definitely wouldn't have liked it as much. In fact, when I watched the sequel, probably just a few months later, I didn't like it at all. I found it too stupid.

 

[Piff Henderson]

That was part that threw me.

I've said this a lot on here but I get it trust me in some of these long drawn out back and forth? It gets hazy.

I actually almost got a real archivist to find out when exactly newspapers started listing box office numbers regularly

Gotchu. Honestly, if I had paid more attention to those discussions, I probably wouldn't have had the misconception.

Also, I tend to avoid discussions about something I haven't seen yet since I can't contribute. I did this with Sinners for instance. While I don't care about spoilers, I also don't like lurking around discussions about something I can't have opinion on since I haven't watched it yet.

So, what likely happened is I just skimmed through a thread about a film I hadn't seen yet, probably saw you post something about box office returns or marketing, and assumed you were into that stuff.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I watched TTA in the mid-late 90s as a kid. A friend of mine in the neighborhood had the VHS. I was around the age of 10-11, which is probably the perfect age to watch a movie like this. This was around the same time I watched the original IT adaptation. If I were a little older, I definitely wouldn't have liked it as much. In fact, when I watched the sequel, probably just a few months later, I didn't like it at all. I found it too stupid.

Never watched the sequels.. I attempted to once and I believe he was gonna fight a sumo wrestler and the dude said something like they call me big mac, them words right there was like wtf is this corny shit and I turned it off.. In my eyes there's only 1 toxic avenger I do not acknowledge the sequels.. See you saw it at 10-11 I seen it at probably 5 or 6.. It was on hbo.. That's how all my friends seen it and laughed about it.. It came out on 84 so I want to say it hit cable at least 85/86, whenever it did that's when we seen it.. Like I say the 80s were pure inappropriate watching for us young kids.. Seeing jason. Freddy kreuger, revenge of the nerds, porkys, hard bodies, etc at single digits is what we seen.. That's why I laugh at all this politically correct shit now cause I'm like 80s was full on sex filled themes , violence, vulgar, etc.. We all seen Robocop when it first hit the movie theatres.. Nig getting shot in the dick, titties in the showet, f bomb central, mad killing, this what we grew up on

 

[Piff Henderson]

Never watched the sequels.. I attempted to once and I believe he was gonna fight a sumo wrestler and the dude said something like they call me big mac, them words right there was like wtf is this corny shit and I turned it off.. In my eyes there's only 1 toxic avenger I do not acknowledge the sequels.. See you saw it at 10-11 I seen it at probably 5 or 6.. It was on hbo.. That's how all my friends seen it and laughed about it.. It came out on 84 so I want to say it hit cable at least 85/86, whenever it did that's when we seen it.. Like I say the 80s were pure inappropriate watching for us young kids.. Seeing jason. Freddy kreuger, revenge of the nerds, porkys, hard bodies, etc at single digits is what we seen.. That's why I laugh at all this politically correct shit now cause I'm like 80s was full on sex filled themes , violence, vulgar, etc.. We all seen Robocop when it first hit the movie theatres.. Nig getting shot in the dick, titties in the showet, f bomb central, mad killing, this what we grew up on

No one in my household would've stopped me from watching any of that at those ages. I just didn't have access to a lot of it because my family didn't have cable until the early 00s. I watched Purple Rain with my family in single digits which included a sex scene and watched R-rated comedies like Don't Be A Menace at other people's houses. I believe I saw Species and Interview with A Vampire at around 9 too. I wasn't really into horror until around adolescence though so there's that. The interest had to kick in.

I also have a funny memory of my family watching Showgirls at my grandma's house during Thanksgiving. I remember someone telling me to shut my eyes but I didn't. lol

 

[playahaitian]

Gotchu. Honestly, if I had paid more attention to those discussions, I probably wouldn't have had the misconception.

Also, I tend to avoid discussions about something I haven't seen yet since I can't contribute. I did this with Sinners for instance. While I don't care about spoilers, I also don't like lurking around discussions about something I can't have opinion on since I haven't watched it yet.

So, what likely happened is I just skimmed through a thread about a film I hadn't seen yet, probably saw you post something about box office returns or marketing, and assumed you were into that stuff.

Bro absolutely no worries at all, your a fun smart informed discussion at all times.

Respect

Horrible Sinners take

but I forgive you.

 

[playahaitian]

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[Piff Henderson]

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I would like to see a Terminator (T-800) vs Predator match-up. I actually had the idea to write a fan fiction with those two characters.

The Predator lands in LA in 1984 to hunt worthy prey. The T-800 has preceded him to the city to terminate Sarah Connor and has killed two women already because of mistaken identity. This carnage attracts the Predator's attention. This merciless murderer is definitely the prey he was hoping to hunt, so and so forth.

Also had a fan fiction where Weyland-Yutani buys OCP and becomes the new owner of RoboCop. They plan on using the technology to resurrect fallen Colonial Marines and bring them back as cybernetic soldiers.

Before they do this, they decide to field test RoboCop himself. He's sent to Hadley's Hope to provide security for the colony. All hell breaks lose.

 

[therealjondoe]

I would like to see a Terminator (T-800) vs Predator match-up. I actually had the idea to write a fan fiction with those two characters.

The Predator lands in LA in 1984 to hunt worthy prey. The T-800 has preceded him to the city to terminate Sarah Connor and has killed two women already because of mistaken identity. This carnage attracts the Predator's attention. This merciless murderer is definitely the prey he was hoping to hunt, so and so forth.

Also had a fan fiction where Weyland-Yutani buys OCP and becomes the new owner of RoboCop. They plan on using the technology to resurrect fallen Colonial Marines and bring them back as cybernetic soldiers.

Before they do this, they decide to field test RoboCop himself. He's sent to Hadley's Hope to provide security for the colony. All hell breaks lose.

I think there's a comic series of that

 

[Piff Henderson]

I think there's a comic series of that

I do believe I've seen a Terminator vs Predator comic but not completely sure.

I've definitely seen and read RoboCop/Terminator crossover. AFAIK, there hasn't been a RoboCop/Alien crossover though.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I think there's a comic series of that

Aliens versus The Predator versus The Terminator