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Tariq Nasheed vs Umar Johnson

this gonna be going on for a minute

now dr umar is sayin tariq likes

"men to play with his bootyhole and he got the receipts to prove it"

he also challanged him to a debate and he said he could bring dr moist watkins aka boyce watkins.....
 
Mr. Met said:
When Umar gets serious about this 'school', this joke dies.

At least have a course sheet or curriculum catalog bro.
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Exactly. If the guy were serious, he'd produced something! He doesn't need money to outline a few classes and syllabi.
 
cooliojones said:
Tariq.. I still listen to him, but he lost a lot of cool points with this "beef." I'm like... dude... if you had just taken the high road and didn't even speak on this, or you issued a statement and just said this dude has his own demons to fight, I'm not entertaining this, then he would have been good with me. But I'm glad to see so many other bros say that they didn't like him going down this road.
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Quiet as kept Tariq is ruining his brand and he dont even know it. There are alot of people who are just like you in terms of how they see Tariq now. I think the puppet was overkill and he shot himself in the foot with that. It's funny yes, but not something you would expect from a 40 something year old family man. Also, straight men dont call women to talk about another man's sexuality, that was a big violation of man code right there.

Im sure people will label me as an Umar sympathizer for my comments, but truth be told, I dont rock with neither one of them like that anymore.

Dr. Welsing is rolling in her grave right now... :smh:
 
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Mr. Met said:
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This fool is not even serious. lol.

He wants a one-sided attack, not a real debate.

Calling it a "handicap match".

Yeah Umar, but it's not handicapped because it's 2 vs 1.

It's handicapped in your favor because you chose all three questions each of which attempt to discredit Boyce and Tariq's character.

How about letting them also develop their own official questions that equally puts your own character under the microscope?
 
I been observing Dr.Johnson situation for awhile, I see alot similarities in the tactics used against him that are tried on me.

It is also exposing the infiltrators who pose as being black conscious. This boost their credibility in denouncing Dr. Johnson. Rather than somebody white attacking him which would be ignored or further rally support behind him by the black community they use these pawn pieces. I always suspected them.

Finally, his father taking shots at him, all point to a very sophisticated counter intelligence campaign to shut him down.
 
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cooliojones said:
Started looking at Boyce last month, before all of this, and I got a divided feeling about him. It looks like he wants to give out info and help, but he seems to be too tabloid gossipy for my taste. I don't trust him really. AND I think he instigated the Umar & Tariq beef a lil bit.
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I got that same feeling from him. I really don't have a problem with Umar or Tariq. But Boyce is on some other shit.
 
So Umar ‘ends the beef’ right after exposing Tariq as gay? Good luck with that.

And if he knew Tariq was a chi-chi man why did he work with him?



 
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World B Free said:
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Mr. Met said:
So Umar ‘end the beef’ right after exposing Tariq as gay? Good luck with that.

And if he knew Tariq was a chi-chi man why did he work with him?



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lol he THINKS its over.. tariq just got that puppet sheeet...

expect at least two more herpe walrus videos...

and he called him booty man, then just shitted on his future projects by callin hidden colors hidden caucasions..LOL...

yea he mightve ended it but there will be more puppet shows...
 
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Mr. Met said:
So Umar ‘ends the beef’ right after exposing Tariq as gay? Good luck with that.

And if he knew Tariq was a chi-chi man why did he work with him?
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The same reason Tariq knew Umar was a fraud but didnt speak on it until he was provoked?
 
I was talking to my youngest (16) year old son the other day about this whole mess. I overheard him talking to one of his female friends about it so after he was done with face time I asked him what he thought about it.

He thought Tariq was funny of course because of the puppets. Then again they're puppets and he's a kid. But then I asked him what all he knew about Tariq. He said he saw Tariq as a black leader because of the Hidden Color films. What stood out to me was that's all he knew Tariq by.

I had to think about that because Tariq was teaching brothers how to meet white women when my son was in diapers. He was writing books on how to pimp women back when my son was on a pacifier. By the time my son had been in middle school he'd changed his name and modus operandi at least four times and my son was unaware of any of this. His market is the conscious community but he constantly puts them down and my son didn't know this.

Somebody asked me what has Umar produced for the black community and that stopped me dead in my tracks because that implies that in order to be taken serious you have to produce a Hollywood production now. With that mindset the producer of Pootietang was a revolutionary. Not to be misunderstood. The series was great and has its place but the information isn't anything new and can be found in most libraries. All you need is a card. Hell BGOL done dropped all the PDF files over ten years ago to the actual books the information came from.

At any rate. This is just a rant and hearing my son and his friend talk about this made me think about some things.
 
ankhheru said:
I was talking to my youngest (16) year old son the other day about this whole mess. I overheard him talking to one of his female friends about it so after he was done with face time I asked him what he thought about it.

He thought Tariq was funny of course because of the puppets. Then again they're puppets and he's a kid. But then I asked him what all he knew about Tariq. He said he saw Tariq as a black leader because of the Hidden Color films. What stood out to me was that's all he knew Tariq by.

I had to think about that because Tariq was teaching brothers how to meet white women when my son was in diapers. He was writing books on how to pimp women back when my son was on a pacifier. By the time my son had been in middle school he'd changed his name and modus operandi at least four times and my son was unaware of any of this. His market is the conscious community but he constantly puts them down and my son didn't know this.

Somebody asked me what has Umar produced for the black community and that stopped me dead in my tracks because that implies that in order to be taken serious you have to produce a Hollywood production now. With that mindset the producer of Pootietang was a revolutionary. Not to be misunderstood. The series was great and has its place but the information isn't anything new and can be found in most libraries. All you need is a card. Hell BGOL done dropped all the PDF files over ten years ago to the actual books the information came from.

At any rate. This is just a rant and hearing my son and his friend talk about this made me think about some things.
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I hear ya, tariq is a good hustler and he knows how to appeal to a younger audience...

umar is a great orator but his appeal is for older folk who take life a little more seriously..

sometimes too serious...

I have no problem with any of them... I think they both have a purpose...

then again I dont need no leader...
 
Mrfreddygoodbud said:
I hear ya, tariq is a good hustler and he knows how to appeal to a younger audience...

umar is a great orator but his appeal is for older folk who take life a little more seriously..

sometimes too serious...

I have no problem with any of them... I think they both have a purpose...

then again I dont need no leader...
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They both had good qualities that if used correctly can help. I agree. It's just unfortunate that no-one is actually paying attention to the game being ran right now by Tariq. They all seem to only be focusing on Umar. If you weigh both their entire bodies of work I would honestly say that Tariq has done more damage than good. He's just recently started working towards building positively and that's only because he's found a way to make a dollar off of it. Prior to that he was pushing some vile shit.
 
ankhheru said:
They both had good qualities that if used correctly can help. I agree. It's just unfortunate that no-one is actually paying attention to the game being ran right now by Tariq. They all seem to only be focusing on Umar. If you weigh both their entire bodies of work I would honestly say that Tariq has done more damage than good. He's just recently started working towards building positively and that's only because he's found a way to make a dollar off of it. Prior to that he was pushing some vile shit.
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its blatantly obvioius tariq is about money first, he couldnt hide if he tried, I think he tries but it comes out...

nothing wrong with being about that money, but he is about that hustler get mine first fuck you, and if he thinks anyone is fuckin with his

money he will go all out on them, like this host that was on his show...

she just asked him, if he was a pimp before.. and he lost it... he went off kicking her out during a live cast..

and talked bout it for days..

why because he saw his past coming back to haunt him.

now if it was no big thing, he couldve just said, hey look thats the past but Im not that same dude anymore...

Ive grown from that.. but he didnt.. its like deep down that part has never left him...

and another thing I think tariq is afraid of gettin exposed is his disdain for dark women..

he will never ever admit it, but its there...
 
ankhheru said:
I was talking to my youngest (16) year old son the other day about this whole mess. I overheard him talking to one of his female friends about it so after he was done with face time I asked him what he thought about it.

He thought Tariq was funny of course because of the puppets. Then again they're puppets and he's a kid. But then I asked him what all he knew about Tariq. He said he saw Tariq as a black leader because of the Hidden Color films. What stood out to me was that's all he knew Tariq by.

I had to think about that because Tariq was teaching brothers how to meet white women when my son was in diapers. He was writing books on how to pimp women back when my son was on a pacifier. By the time my son had been in middle school he'd changed his name and modus operandi at least four times and my son was unaware of any of this. His market is the conscious community but he constantly puts them down and my son didn't know this.

Somebody asked me what has Umar produced for the black community and that stopped me dead in my tracks because that implies that in order to be taken serious you have to produce a Hollywood production now. With that mindset the producer of Pootietang was a revolutionary. Not to be misunderstood. The series was great and has its place but the information isn't anything new and can be found in most libraries. All you need is a card. Hell BGOL done dropped all the PDF files over ten years ago to the actual books the information came from.

At any rate. This is just a rant and hearing my son and his friend talk about this made me think about some things.
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That was thorough bro.

Neither one of these guys are leaders in the tradition of great leaders of Africans in America. They both love to tout their accomplishments. I don't remember hearing or reading anything about Kwame Toure, Dr. King, Fred Hampton, Harriet Tubman, Garvey and the like tooting their own horn talking about all the great stuff they did for Black people. That job is supposed to go to the people themselves. The tangible evidence of their work is plainly seen. They don't and shouldn't have to sell themselves. Great leaders are selfless. It's all about the people. And you are absolutely correct, everything that Tariq presented on film was already on paper. As well, everything Umar only regurgitates info that's already been studied and written about by Black scholars and doctors.

When I've heard folks ask what has Umar produced, I think mainly they are referring to this boys school he has been promising. They might also be speaking of his not having coalesced with actual leaders, movers and shakers in the community to assist and help build and develop. He always lists things he allegedly did, but never speaks of which school he was principal of. where he was a school psychologist, etc. This, just like he never wanted to give detailed information about the school, got angry at the questions, yet still accepted/asked for/demanded money for it.

It's problematic that young people (or older people) see grown folks talking about Black people on YouTube and think that makes them leaders. What do you see as being the answer to that?
 
Mr. Met said:
So Umar ‘ends the beef’ right after exposing Tariq as gay? Good luck with that.

And if he knew Tariq was a chi-chi man why did he work with him?



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Umar is a lying blowhard. First off, Hidden Colors came out in 2011 not in 2012, like he claimed in the first video. I'm in Chicago and had never heard of Umar Johnson in 2011, neither had anyone I've known.

For years before the Hidden Colors series, Tariq was well known for his books. He'd been all over national television. He was on the MTV show, "Made", VH1's "Flavor of Love" and "Ego Trip's Race-O-Rama" as well as "Late Night with Conan O'Brien". He'd also played a character in the Michael Moore documentary, "Capitalism: A Love Story".

Umar had virtually no mass media presence prior to Hidden Colors. Check his iMDB page. So his claiming to have "made" the Hidden Colors series and consequently the career of Tariq Nasheed is deluded narcissism at it's finest.

Unfounded accusations of homosexuality are the last resort of the desperate. Tariq was insulted, but not exposed.

Also he claims to have ended the beef, but then wants to challenge Tariq and Boyce to a "debate" on his own terms? Clown shit.
 
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respiration said:
That was thorough bro.

Neither one of these guys are leaders in the tradition of great leaders of Africans in America. They both love to tout their accomplishments. I don't remember hearing or reading anything about Kwame Toure, Dr. King, Fred Hampton, Harriet Tubman, Garvey and the like tooting their own horn talking about all the great stuff they did for Black people. That job is supposed to go to the people themselves. The tangible evidence of their work is plainly seen. They don't and shouldn't have to sell themselves. Great leaders are selfless. It's all about the people. And you are absolutely correct, everything that Tariq presented on film was already on paper. As well, everything Umar only regurgitates info that's already been studied and written about by Black scholars and doctors.

When I've heard folks ask what has Umar produced, I think mainly they are referring to this boys school he has been promising. They might also be speaking of his not having coalesced with actual leaders, movers and shakers in the community to assist and help build and develop. He always lists things he allegedly did, but never speaks of which school he was principal of. where he was a school psychologist, etc. This, just like he never wanted to give detailed information about the school, got angry at the questions, yet still accepted/asked for/demanded money for it.

It's problematic that young people (or older people) see grown folks talking about Black people on YouTube and think that makes them leaders. What do you see as being the answer to that?
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I'm not defending Umars building of his school. I can't. I'm not defending his female issues. I can't. However I have seen videos where he mentioned the schools by name that he's worked at. I can't remember the exact names of the schools or which videos it was in but I'll go out on a limb and say he has said the names. As far as him naming names of kids he's helped he can't do that for obvious legal reasons. That's seen as falling under the jurisdiction of a minor and legally he can't name names. He's obligated under professional oath and legal oath to keep that under wraps.

He does have a group help line that he hold every Tuesday (I think that's the day) where parents can call in and get advice on dealing with their kids school issues and that's real solid in my book. That's something tangible. That's grass roots.

So for most of us it boils down to fluff or actual boots on the ground. Fluff being who's more media savvy and boots on the ground is who's actually out there rolling up their sleeves and and working with actual bodies and not celluloid. They both have a place and an impact but you can't discount the true value of elbow grease when it comes to getting things done.
 
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ankhheru said:
I'm not defending Umars building of his school. I can't. I'm not defending his female issues. I can't. However I have seen videos where he mentioned the schools by name that he's worked at. I can't remember the exact names of the schools or which videos it was in but I'll go out on a limb and say he has said the names. As far as him naming names of kids he's helped he can't do that for obvious legal reasons. That's seen as falling under the jurisdiction of a minor and legally he can't name names. He's obligated under professional oath and legal oath to keep that under wraps.

He does have a group help line that he hold every Tuesday (I think that's the day) where parents can call in and get advice on dealing with their kids school issues and that's real solid in my book. That's something tangible. That's grass roots.

So for most of us it boils down to fluff or actual boots on the ground. Fluff being who's more media savvy and boots on the ground is who's actually out there rolling up their sleeves and and working with actual bodies and not celluloid. They both have a place and an impact but you can't discount the true value of elbow grease when it comes to getting things done.
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I'm not calling your truthfulness into question, but I've never seen him mentioning those schools by name that he's worked at. So in that aspect both of our perspectives on that is anecdotal until one of us or someone else locates the names of those schools, by video or otherwise. This information should be easily accessible publicly but apparently it's not. For the reasons you mentioned, I too wouldn't expect him to name kids he's helped.

I saw his info online to the group help line. I would never discount that as useless. But I also don't regard it as boots on the ground. As far as his work as a psychologist, that's not boots on the ground activism either. It's his profession. Certainly, as a paid school psychologist, he would help kids - as would most school psychologists. That's what they go to work every day to do. Umar's doing it is good but it does not make him unique. Nothing he does or has said is unique. It's just that those who actually do have boots on the ground - are not constantly talking about what they as individuals are doing and declaring themselves to be the ONLY this, the FIRST that and inventing titles for themselves.

Brother, your son's great male Black leader is YOU. Just as my late father was mine and also was my greatest teacher and hero. He was a genuine unsung, boots to the ground role model whom I pattern my life after.
 
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Tariq jumped the shark. I tried to listen to yo last podcast and had to turn that shit off. Puppets and herpes? What the fuck are you doing? You being a clown while accusIng another man of being one. Man the fuck up. Let it go. But I digressssssssss!
 
bgbtylvr said:
Tariq jumped the shark. I tried to listen to yo last podcast and had to turn that shit off. Puppets and herpes? What the fuck are you doing? You being a clown while accusIng another man of being one. Man the fuck up. Let it go. But I digressssssssss!
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Yep.
 
respiration said:
I'm not calling your truthfulness into question, but I've never seen him mentioning those schools by name that he's worked at. So in that aspect both of our perspectives on that is anecdotal until one of us or someone else locates the names of those schools, by video or otherwise. This information should be easily accessible publicly but apparently it's not. For the reasons you mentioned, I too wouldn't expect him to name kids he's helped.

I saw his info online to the group help line. I would never discount that as useless. But I also don't regard it as boots on the ground. As far as his work as a psychologist, that's not boots on the ground activism either. It's his profession. Certainly, as a paid school psychologist, he would help kids - as would most school psychologists. That's what they go to work every day to do. Umar's doing it is good but it does not make him unique. Nothing he does or has said is unique. It's just that those who actually do have boots on the ground - are not constantly talking about what they as individuals are doing and declaring themselves to be the ONLY this, the FIRST that and inventing titles for themselves.

Brother, your son's great male Black leader is YOU. Just as my late father was mine and also was my greatest teacher and hero. He was a genuine unsung, boots to the ground role model whom I pattern my life after.
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Both my son's look up to me first. That's a given. If any man's kids don't then God help his kids. Everything else you said is your own opinion and I can respect it. We don't have to always agree on every point. We just got to agree to disagree and know we both working towards the same goal. Black first.
 
alexw said:
Yeah I always found it weird that he lies about his age so much or he refuses to talk about it. That shit is so unmasculine
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The way he reacted when Rock Newman asked him if he was born in 1974 was so awkward that the comment section on Youtube started to talk about it.
 
bgbtylvr said:
Tariq jumped the shark. I tried to listen to yo last podcast and had to turn that shit off. Puppets and herpes? What the fuck are you doing? You being a clown while accusIng another man of being one. Man the fuck up. Let it go. But I digressssssssss!
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I thought he jumped the shark after the whole Crispy Tommy Sotomoyer crap, a lot of people thought that shit was hysterical.. I thought it got old super quick.

I mean I listed to the last Tariq Radio show, didn't he say he was done talking about Umar before spending another good part of the show talking about him? He's like the girl who says she hates drama, but can never let shit go
 
ugk said:
I thought he jumped the shark after the whole Crispy Tommy Sotomoyer crap, a lot of people thought that shit was hysterical.. I thought it got old super quick.

I mean I listed to the last Tariq Radio show, didn't he say he was done talking about Umar before spending another good part of the show talking about him? He's like the girl who says she hates drama, but can never let shit go
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I just think it's strange that a man that's 48 years old almost 49 gets to call himself Petty. That's just super feminine to me. And he's obsessed with the word moist which makes me wonder if he's a secret fag
 

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