Tariq Nasheed vs Umar Johnson

Quiet as kept Tariq is ruining his brand and he dont even know it. There are alot of people who are just like you in terms of how they see Tariq now. I think the puppet was overkill and he shot himself in the foot with that. It's funny yes, but not something you would expect from a 40 something year old family man. Also, straight men dont call women to talk about another man's sexuality, that was a big violation of man code right there.

Im sure people will label me as an Umar sympathizer for my comments, but truth be told, I dont rock with neither one of them like that anymore.

Dr. Welsing is rolling in her grave right now... :smh:

I disagree respectfully, tariq targets child like niggas who go to work everyday and do shit, let's be real and admit society has gotten quite childish in general, niggas in they second childhood at 45. I think LL COOL J said the internet is one big playground and he's right. As long as Tariq is mostly online he's gonna have a job appeals to dudes and females like that.

The main problem with Dr. Omar is he doesn't know how to hustle that money into a money making enterprise. He is book smart but not street smart.

Also disagree, I think Umar is street smart, typical street nigga just no socially smart and knows business too well, I think he blew money on pussy once he got a little name because he never had options like that before he blew, hence Tariq being married and stable, Tariq did all that shit before the internet really blew up.
 
Lol

remember when he debated that one feminist and she was basically clowning him for his pimp shit? Soon after he went the married man route

yeah he changes his image to meet his new hustlee, mack lessons = single LA dude telling stories of him macking and "what guys should do"

Hidden colors = married man of 4 but really shows 3 with his wife while people forget his 18 year old daughter outta wedlock.

Notice he doesn't speak on single mothers anymore?

I can't front, he's pretty street and socially smart.
 
She was whipping his ass back and forth. :roflmao::roflmao:
I was waiting him to say: Well then fuck you bitch...!

he was bringin up some good points then she personalized it, and took him out....

and when he got defensive and exposed...

he started gettin emotional it was a wrap...

he was tellin the truth tho when he said as a man matures his stock

rises thats not so much the case with women..

he was also right when he said just because you have college degree

dont mean you are educated, some of the most ditzy, flighty chicks I know have their masters and up....

some of the wisest wittiest chicks I know never been to college...

got families and living happy lives..
 
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yeah he changes his image to meet his new hustlee, mack lessons = single LA dude telling stories of him macking and "what guys should do"

Hidden colors = married man of 4 but really shows 3 with his wife while people forget his 18 year old daughter outta wedlock.

Notice he doesn't speak on single mothers anymore?

I can't front, he's pretty street and socially smart.
Yeah I've watched from somewhere in the pimp show and I was cracking the fuck up the whole time I watched him transform his image. But he's a really entertaining guy so I don't trip much. He's legit funny and he does make.some good points about things here and there. But I KNOW what he's doing.
 
he was bringin up some good points then she personalized it, and took him out....

and when he got defensive and exposed...

he started gettin emotional it was a wrap...

he was tellin the truth tho when he said as a man matures his stock

rises thats not so much the case with women..

he was also right when he said just because you have college degree

dont mean you are educated, some of the most ditzy, flighty chicks I know have their masters and up....

some of the wisest wittiest chicks I know never been to college...

got families and living happy lives..
The one thing about Tariq comments is that it' one sided and half truths mixed in with truth. His only thing is him wanting to be right and not actually being right.
The woman was also making good points and his response to her was simply about wanting to be right.
 
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Yes, Umar does need all those things. He owes that to the community - those he purports to serve.

Anytime I've seen serious GoFundMe's that were wanting donations for a serious project, there was complete transparency around them. As Umar's proposed school goes, of course people would want to know WHAT they are financing and WHO it is that people will be entrusting their kids with, exactly where the money is going, how things will be paid for, who he's working with, if there's a board of directors, etc.

Umar is not some GOD who is never to be questioned, analyzed or critiqued. He is merely a man - someone capable of having good motives and a pure heart just as he is also capable of being a wolf in sheep's clothing.

A man who is pure in his motives would be transparent out the gate and if he is sincerely working for the people, he would be prepared to answer detailed questions from the people about who he is and what exactly he is proposing. Matter of fact, that information should have long ago been publicly available so that folks wouldn't have to question him so much. Being transparent means that people can see exactly where your progress is in your journey and offer themselves and their skills and resources to help you reach your goal in the best way possible.

(Unless your motives are to con people and you don't want folks in your business)

Others who have devoted themselves to the work have done exactly that. Why not him too?

When someone starts getting defensive and attacking and trying to shut people down who ask logical questions relevant to the work they claim and the projects they're asking people's money for, that's a major red flag.

What Alex says makes sense to me too... IF Umar's being sincere and his intent really is to build up the community and make a school.

From my perspective that's a big IF.

This is not hate. This is love. Love for Black people. The fight for the liberation of our people from oppression is a thankless job. Many, many, many people have started independent Black schools for children. Those schools are thriving, and guess what? You don't see the founders of those schools plastered all across social media and YouTube. Their work is tangible, visible and speaks for itself. These folks are respected within their communities. They didn't create titles for themselves. They didn't seek attention. They organized together and did the work.

If we truly love our people and ourselves, we need to fully vet those who present themselves as leaders of Black people. If you are constantly hearing more about the proposed leader getting into public squabbles with other Black folks, calling other Black folks coons and playing victim more than you're seeing actual evidence of their work manifest itself...

...Then it's time to leave that person to their drama, gossip and bullshit and align with people who are about the work and not about the cult of personality.

... and that last part goes for not only Umar, but for Tariq, Boyce and any other hoteps and fake conscious people on YouTube who dedicate video after video to stoking the flames of this stupidity.
Bravo to you good sir!!!
Bravo (3X)!!!
:bravo::bravo::bravo:
This is a man who actually gets it!!!!


But now you're gonna be called a "coon", or an "agent" for saying all that. The loyal, brainwashed "Umarians" will say Blacks like YOU are the problem, when you're only speaking the truth...
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She was whipping his ass back and forth. :roflmao::roflmao:
I was waiting him to say: Well then fuck you bitch...!

childish shyt, tariq having to do this petty shit I know had to bother him, nothing worst than arguing with those "black men ain't shit chicks"
 
The one thing about Tariq comments is that it' one sided and half truths mixed in with truth. His only thing is him wanting to be and not actually being right.
The woman was also making good points and his response to her was simply about wanting to be right.

he was actually winning the debate untill she personalized it and tripped him up in his hypocrisy...

she is doing what most femenist do in debates, they avoid personal responsibilty...

in other words they dont want to be responsible for the choices they make...

men are far from perfect and we do have to get ourselves together..
but women have to take responsibilty in the choices they make and the way they raise their children

are they raising warriors to get out there and make a change or they raising go along to get along dudes??

his points were correct in that.. a womens time is early in her life...

a mans time is in his mid to latter years...

again men are not perfect we have to get our act together as a collective..

but woman must also make better choices in men if they want a more fufilling life...

I aint responsible for they choices they make..

tariqs weakness will always be his past.... he runs a good game but he cant hide from his past hustles...
 
The one thing about Tariq comments is that it' one sided and half truths mixed in with truth. His only thing is him wanting to be and not actually being right.
The woman was also making good points and his response to her was simply about wanting to be right.
Well... That's Tariq in a nut shell. He's gotten much better at diffusing it with humor or some other distraction by now.
 
She was whipping his ass back and forth. :roflmao::roflmao:
I was waiting him to say: Well then fuck you bitch...!

Bottom line, his player image , and the images he had on his own site we're contradictory to everything he was saying about the Black family. To some extent , he can be credited with attempting to fix his own shit once he was confronted with the contradictions.

childish shyt, tariq having to do this petty shit I know had to bother him, nothing worst than arguing with those "black men ain't shit chicks"

Except she wasn't. She kept stressing that she had a man and she was only going at the points he had been making.

The classic debate between Pearl Jr. and Tariq Nasheed

He was getting very emotional in this one.

Yup. And not long after he switched it up. No more trips to Brazil, got married, covered up whatever loose ends he had.

Thanks. I was looking for that the other day and couldn't find it. She was killin' him.

And again, I will say, some people attempt to change the world when it's easier to change your own world. And he seems to have some that to some degree
 
They always bring the Pearl Jr. nonsense that happened 12 years ago. The difference between Umar and Tariq is they both have contradictions but when it comes to getting work done Tariq is far better at it than Umar. Umar promised a school but he didn't deliver. He could of created an online alternative but he didn't even do that. Tariq came through with 4 hidden colors movies making money on education and intelligence not cooning.
 
Bottom line, his player image , and the images he had on his own site we're contradictory to everything he was saying about the Black family. To some extent , he can be credited with attempting to fix his own shit once he was confronted with the contradictions.



Except she wasn't. She kept stressing that she had a man and she was only going at the points he had been making.



Yup. And not long after he switched it up. No more trips to Brazil, got married, covered up whatever loose ends he had.



And again, I will say, some people attempt to change the world when it's easier to change your own world. And he seems to have some that to some degree

When you critize women and the first thing they reply with is "You're uneducated or broke" you struck a nerve. Black women can't successfully debate without them talking shit about black men and education or crime, notice black women never really debate white males on pratically anything like she can with black men. Pearl resorted to the "black male underachievement" as soon as she felt threated by Tariq critizing black women and who they lay with.

Also Tariq is pushing 50 now probably so this came out when he was in hist late 30's....

Tariq knows everything is about money hence him having a fine ass wife 20 years younger than him.

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He knows how to move and I gotta respect that as a black man, he can teach alot of us who never been around real dudes who makes moves without a white man's education, he can teach alot.

They always bring the Pearl Jr. nonsense that happened 12 years ago. The difference between Umar and Tariq is they both have contradictions but when it comes to getting work done Tariq is far better at it than Umar. Umar promised a school but he didn't deliver. He could of created an online alternative but he didn't even do that. Tariq came through with 4 hidden colors movies making money on education and intelligence not cooning.

Exactly, we can talk about tariq all day but he get shit done, pushing 50, fine ass wife and got bread. He moves well, can't front. Umar isn't used to money that's why he was caught simping to strippers with weaves, let's keep it 100%, women can tell a man's that's used to it and who's not.

Tommy Sotomoisture is the same exact way, all that black women bashing, fucking black women off instgram and pays for everything. Hyporitical shit, if Tommy had more bread some girl would straight have him commit that cuz he don't know how to move and ain't use to real success with women and life.
 
They always bring the Pearl Jr. nonsense that happened 12 years ago. The difference between Umar and Tariq is they both have contradictions but when it comes to getting work done Tariq is far better at it than Umar. Umar promised a school but he didn't deliver. He could of created an online alternative but he didn't even do that. Tariq came through with 4 hidden colors movies making money on education and intelligence not cooning.
They "always" bring it up because the shit happened. Tariq also came through books about macking hoes. And yeah , Tarie is "better than Umar" but what kinda standard is that? Lol. You dudes and your heroes.

Anyone who even gets an ounce worked up and upset about someone critiquing either one of these guys---theyre not your father bro. Save your anger for someone who actually gives a fuck about you.
 
They "always" bring it up because the shit happened. Tariq also came through books about macking hoes. And yeah , Tarie is "better than Umar" but what kinda standard is that? Lol. You dudes and your heroes.

Anyone who even gets an ounce worked up and upset about someone critiquing either one of these guys---theyre not your father bro. Save your anger for someone who actually gives a fuck about you.
Gospel!
 
They always bring the Pearl Jr. nonsense that happened 12 years ago. The difference between Umar and Tariq is they both have contradictions but when it comes to getting work done Tariq is far better at it than Umar. Umar promised a school but he didn't deliver. He could of created an online alternative but he didn't even do that. Tariq came through with 4 hidden colors movies making money on education and intelligence not cooning.
Are you really comparing building the school to to makin low-budget documentaries?

Nigga lmfao

Creating something people can watch versus something people can use is totally different dynamics

What happened with the moorus app? Niggas got hustled with that shit too. And he got like a 100k of donations

I understand you're a huge fan but God damn
 
Nah it's him. Nobody gives a fuck about that wack ass movie.

lol,

I always thought some posts sounded tariqish.. I aint hating on him, in fact I respect his hustle...

but then again I dont need a leader. I guess those that

are looking for leadership may feel some kind of way..

I also think he would make a great stand up comic..

muthafucka got jokes...
 
I wonder what country he flew her to in those pictures?

And this is the same nigga clowning Umar Johnson for fucking a stripper

Let that sink in for a minute
He didnt clown Umar for fucking a stripper. His words about Umar were something like "He's supposed to fuck bitches. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing". He defended him back then.
 
He didnt clown Umar for fucking a stripper. His words about Umar were something like "He's supposed to fuck bitches. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing". He defended him back then.
Watch his shit from the last 2 weeks then get back at me
 
Are you really comparing building the school to to makin low-budget documentaries?

Nigga lmfao

Creating something people can watch versus something people can use is totally different dynamics

What happened with the moorus app? Niggas got hustled with that shit too. And he got like a 100k of donations

I understand you're a huge fan but God damn

Umar Has damn near 700K in cash, this is america you show up anywhere with half of million dollars in cash +, somebody is going to do business. Its not that hard to find a spot or get a building. Just admit umar hustled and trick the money off.

Tariq Nasheed is a hustler but what i respect about him is that he does not hide that fact that he is a hustler. Also when your talking peoples money at least show them what you did with there money. Umar has been taking donations for years and i have yet to see any results!.
 
Umar Has damn near 700K in cash, this is america you show up anywhere with half of million dollars in cash +, somebody is going to do business. Its not that hard to find a spot or get a building. Just admit umar hustled and trick the money off.

Tariq Nasheed is a hustler but what i respect about him is that he does not hide that fact that he is a hustler. Also when your talking peoples money at least show them what you did with there money. Umar has been taking donations for years and i have yet to see any results!.
700k does not build a school any where. The lights and the insurance will eat most of that. You niggas need to discuss what you know and not what you think

I do agree umar needs to open those books
 
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700k does not build a school any where. The lights and the insurance will eat most of that. You niggas need to discuss what you know and not what you think

I do agree umar needs to open those books

What the hell are you taking about? Have you ever bought property before? lights and insurance?. He is charging people to go to his school so all his has to do is start a S Corp Company and you can write most of that shit off your taxes. That shit is peanuts.

Stop letting Umar Johnson make exuses and tell you bullshit, There is no way you have almost a million dollars in cash and can't find no empty building in the United States to start a school. He telling you about lights, maintenance and insurance, shit that you can write off on your taxes! come on, Im not that stupid.
 
Umar Has damn near 700K in cash, this is america you show up anywhere with half of million dollars in cash +, somebody is going to do business. Its not that hard to find a spot or get a building. Just admit umar hustled and trick the money off.

Tariq Nasheed is a hustler but what i respect about him is that he does not hide that fact that he is a hustler. Also when your talking peoples money at least show them what you did with there money. Umar has been taking donations for years and i have yet to see any results!.

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700k does not build a school any where. The lights and the insurance will eat most of that. You niggas need to discuss what you know and not what you think

I do agree umar needs to open those books

700k will not build a traditional school, with multiple rooms/bathrooms/gymnasium/playground/cafeteria/etc. I agree. But if 700k can build a nice ass house, it sure as hell can build a small academy that can help 20-25 young men at a time. People have done far more with less.
 
What the hell are you taking about? Have you ever bought property before? lights and insurance?. He is charging people to go to his school so all his has to do is start a S Corp Company and you can write most of that shit off your taxes. That shit is peanuts.

Stop letting Umar Johnson make exuses and tell you bullshit, There is no way you have almost a million dollars in cash and can't find no empty building in the United States to start a school. He telling you about lights, maintenance and insurance, shit that you can write off on your taxes! come on, Im not that stupid.

I'm just a teacher who sees the school budget ever time we have school meetings. Again talk about shit that you know not what you think. And if you think you can write off school expenses...man lmfao. This is the idiocy of why people get attacked. They're fucking clueless. What is is going to pay his staff with? Can he write that off too?
 
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700k will not build a traditional school, with multiple rooms/bathrooms/gymnasium/playground/cafeteria/etc. I agree. But if 700k can build a nice ass house, it sure as hell can build a small academy that can help 20-25 young men at a time. People have done far more with less.

Jesus white Christ. Man lol. 1st you can't compare a school to a home. Secondly a person that purchased a 700k isn't purchasing and expecting to maintain it with donations. Finally he's building a traditional residential school so speaking of educating 25 kids is a moot point. Please show me the examples of all these successful schools that people have done it with less. Hell they're closing charter schools that get state funding due to the high costs.
 
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Yes, Umar does need all those things. He owes that to the community - those he purports to serve.

Anytime I've seen serious GoFundMe's that were wanting donations for a serious project, there was complete transparency around them. As Umar's proposed school goes, of course people would want to know WHAT they are financing and WHO it is that people will be entrusting their kids with, exactly where the money is going, how things will be paid for, who he's working with, if there's a board of directors, etc.

...What Alex says makes sense to me too... IF Umar's being sincere and his intent really is to build up the community and make a school.

From my perspective that's a big IF.

Completely on board with this.

I completely believe that the dudes in this thread can collectively come together to come up with ideas on what this dude could have offered in his GoFundMe. I can start with a few:

$10 level:
Keychain with the schools's logo

$50 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & t-shirt with the school's logo

$100 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & your name/child's name placed on a priority list for attending the school (should he open in a city near you)

$250 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & a commemorative brick inscribed with the donor's name placed in the foyer of the school (or some other prominent area)

$500 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & you name mentioned in an official trailer video for the school

$1000 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & an official Founder's plaque to hang in your office or home

$2500 level:
Stuff from the previous level(s) & a wing of the school named after you

So I came up with the levels and some of the perks in about 10 minutes. It doesn't have to exactly be this stuff, but it's a start (I am assuming he DIDN'T do any of this because I never saw the GoFundMe). This list assumes some of the business stuff would have been completed with the money donated, such as producing a logo for the advertising materials.

All you have to do is something like this, and someone with his former reach (from like 3 months ago, or I guess 3 years ago) could have something produced in about 6 months. You pick the city you want to start in, dedicate all resources to looking for a place there, and even partner with some of the local realty companies to assist in the search. You don't have to have a degree or be close to a genius to come up with this.
 
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