Now i'm wishing Paige survived the film
The heck... gawd damn it.
Space Raw: the final frontier
Star Wars The Last Jedi (SPOILER Discussion thread)
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The heck... gawd damn it.
Space Raw: the final frontier
The wrong kid died
Ngô Thanh Vân
Movie was horrid.
I knew once Luke tossed the lightsaber we were in trouble.
Then Leia flew through the sky? My theatre erupted in laughter. Like wtf!
Mark Hamil is a horrible acting and looked like a damn fool the whole movie.
Rey being “no one” was a big let down. I wish that isn’t true.
Luke using a younger hologram version of himself only to die was lame.
So many characters were wasted and robbed of giving good performances.
What the fuck was Benico doing? He is a stutterer? Why?
Captain Phasma went out like a pussy 2 films in a row.
Yoda using lightning? Weird voice.
I knew once Luke tossed the lightsaber we were in trouble.
Then Leia flew through the sky? My theatre erupted in laughter. Like wtf!
Mark Hamil is a horrible acting and looked like a damn fool the whole movie.
Rey being “no one” was a big let down. I wish that isn’t true.
Luke using a younger hologram version of himself only to die was lame.
So many characters were wasted and robbed of giving good performances.
What the fuck was Benico doing? He is a stutterer? Why?
Captain Phasma went out like a pussy 2 films in a row.
Yoda using lightning? Weird voice.
Again i ask... did people even watch this movie??
Yoda using Lightning is a shocker???
Do kats even know anything about Star Wars
“A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning.Darth Plagueis”
Even thought I don’t it really even matter since Yoda was a ghost??
Yoda using Lightning is a shocker???
Do kats even know anything about Star Wars
“A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning.Darth Plagueis”
Even thought I don’t it really even matter since Yoda was a ghost??
Come on man. The movie was dumb.
It was just mad random.
The red dudes looked cool but they were the worst bodyguards ever.
It was just mad random.
The red dudes looked cool but they were the worst bodyguards ever.
At this point... I give up. Kats are just nitpicking to nitpick... personally it matters not
Shit made 65 million just on Saturday. Meaning it made more after people had seen it.
And the film has 3 whole weeks before it opens in China.... meaning Star Wars is going to make its Billion.
And episode 9 is going to make its billion as well.
Shit made 65 million just on Saturday. Meaning it made more after people had seen it.
And the film has 3 whole weeks before it opens in China.... meaning Star Wars is going to make its Billion.
And episode 9 is going to make its billion as well.
At this point... I give up. Kats are just nitpicking to nitpick... personally it matters not
Shit made 65 million just on Saturday. Meaning it made more after people had seen it.
And the film has 3 whole weeks before it opens in China.... meaning Star Wars is going to make its Billion.
And episode 9 is going to make its billion as well.
Shit made 65 million just on Saturday. Meaning it made more after people had seen it.
And the film has 3 whole weeks before it opens in China.... meaning Star Wars is going to make its Billion.
And episode 9 is going to make its billion as well.
You blind with love son.
It aint nitpicking.
My audience was laughing at the the dumb shit in this movie.
That chick in purple. Every time we saw her we were like wtf is she wearing.
Her custom ruined her character.
Now the first prequels had some good costumes. Bad direction though.
Also this movie had too many aerial shots. That is a nitpick.
Saying the writing and acting was bad is NOT a nitpick.
It aint nitpicking.
My audience was laughing at the the dumb shit in this movie.
That chick in purple. Every time we saw her we were like wtf is she wearing.
Her custom ruined her character.
Now the first prequels had some good costumes. Bad direction though.
Also this movie had too many aerial shots. That is a nitpick.
Saying the writing and acting was bad is NOT a nitpick.
iirc Yoda is no longer light side
as a ghost thats one with the force... he is pure energy he can tap light or dark the same
Random???
The red guard were the basically the Emperial guard from the Clone Wars
Again ... its like people have never watched Star Wars before.
At this point I just quit...
Exactly Fam... I just didn’t want to get into that point... because it really doesn’t make a difference since he is a ghost and can do what ever...
But on the real I quit.. I think people are just trolling now.
I’ve only heard maybe 2 legit complaints...
1. Leia’s sudden mastery of the force
2. Why did Luke and leia’s Clothes appear be from a 2005 Gap commercial.
Everything else is just people complaining to complain
And Like you... I’ll happily admit that the movie has its flaws... just like all of the Star Wars movies.
It’s a little to long, suffered from too many false endings, slightly dragged when they went to the casino planet, had some writing issues and didn’t have a true climax.... but the good in here far outweighs the bad.
Kats are up in here acting like this thing was worse then the phantom Menace
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What are you quitting exactly? Calm down.
You listed your own flaws just now, but you mad that someone is listening their own opinion of flaws?
You admit the movie is flawed but only like the flaws you point out? Gtfhowdbs.
You listed your own flaws just now, but you mad that someone is listening their own opinion of flaws?
You admit the movie is flawed but only like the flaws you point out? Gtfhowdbs.
Ngô Thanh Vân
Yes the wrong sister died
I bet they going to bring him back in Ep.9..something happens that makes him see the error of his ways and he becomes the new Han Solo expy
If Snoke wasn’t a Sith, then what was he? It seemed like the only thing missing from Snoke and Kylo was Darth. In the next movie, who will be Kylo’s 2nd? There has always been a force using pair for the dark side.
Luke would’ve had time to start training Kylo with a light saber. Hell, Kylo should have been training with the imperial guards.
Luke would’ve had time to start training Kylo with a light saber. Hell, Kylo should have been training with the imperial guards.
They couldn't have her fall in love with fin cause then he would give nary a fuck about reiYes the wrong sister died
Thats not the case with me. If they can get the detail right to remember those small ass dice from the falcon or the blaster burn on Luke's robotic hand they should be able to use the force correctly.
Movie had MULTIPLE instances where established ways to use the force were just thrown out.
You can't just find someone randomly in the force if you have never encountered them.
Hypothetical: Rey using the force to full power is an 8 out of 10.
Rey just sitting down, not exerting herself is like a 3-4 out of 10.
If someone is going full tilt, it would be easy for someone like Snoke or Luke to find them.
Rey isn't just walking around the island at full force power and shit.
If you all are willing to say that snoke can use the force and make the connection between Kylo and Rey, then he would have been able to track Rey to the damn island in the first place when she was training or being taught by Luke.
Not saying it isn't splitting hairs to a degree, but that's what happens in these movies with fans of the franchise, the details matter.
Not saying it ruins the movie either.... but it takes the shine off and distracts a bit.
I thought the movie was bad.
I read a bunch of the books after Return of the Jedi and in every one Luke turns into the baddest Jedi who ever was. He even went on to mentor Jedis and fought evil. That is where he had to go based on the three original films. He was none of that in this movie. What did becoming a Jedi Master do for him. He wasn't wise and thoughtful like Obi-wan and Yoda. He looked bad, acted badly, his character was so flawed it was almost funny. He died by himself after making himself a hologram? Nah its horrible.
Leia flying through the air was bad.
Snoke dying so easily was bad.
Rei not being Kylo's sister (Han and Leia's daughter) was bad.
Po Damran had no understanding of what was going on.
The whole trip to the casino city was bad and had no impact on the plot because they went for nothing.
Benacio was horrible and was just a new version of the scum Lando started to be in Empire but they didn't allow him to come back and save the day like Lando did so what the fuck?
The movie reminded me of the first couple of seasons of Game of Thrones. The good guys just kept getting dogged out and the bad guys ended up winning at every turn.
How can the rebels (or whomever they were) even consider anything that happened a success when they started with thousands and ended with like 12? They lost ships, people, the greatest jedi ever, Admiral Akbar and Laura Dern? LMBAO
This movie was the worst of the franchise. A convoluted mess
I read a bunch of the books after Return of the Jedi and in every one Luke turns into the baddest Jedi who ever was. He even went on to mentor Jedis and fought evil. That is where he had to go based on the three original films. He was none of that in this movie. What did becoming a Jedi Master do for him. He wasn't wise and thoughtful like Obi-wan and Yoda. He looked bad, acted badly, his character was so flawed it was almost funny. He died by himself after making himself a hologram? Nah its horrible.
Leia flying through the air was bad.
Snoke dying so easily was bad.
Rei not being Kylo's sister (Han and Leia's daughter) was bad.
Po Damran had no understanding of what was going on.
The whole trip to the casino city was bad and had no impact on the plot because they went for nothing.
Benacio was horrible and was just a new version of the scum Lando started to be in Empire but they didn't allow him to come back and save the day like Lando did so what the fuck?
The movie reminded me of the first couple of seasons of Game of Thrones. The good guys just kept getting dogged out and the bad guys ended up winning at every turn.
How can the rebels (or whomever they were) even consider anything that happened a success when they started with thousands and ended with like 12? They lost ships, people, the greatest jedi ever, Admiral Akbar and Laura Dern? LMBAO
This movie was the worst of the franchise. A convoluted mess
yes, you caught that too...lol.And why did they also rip off the BSG pilot episode "33" for the scenes with the Resistance fleet..?
Look how she clinging to him in these pics lol
Dr.Truth in the stormtrooper suit..?
Leia's use of the force was EXTREMELY small. She is using force in a vacuum, in space. It would be less force than she would need on a planet with athmosphere and gravity to levitate herself. Rey used much more force for each rock she lifted than Lei used to pull her weightless body to the ship.
They were more active than the Red dudes around Vader.
Episode VIII picks up right after Episode VII,with Rey (Daisy Ridley) seeking out Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) for training,Princess-now-General Leia (Carrie Fisher) and the Resistance on the run from but still taking on The First Order.
This movie caught me off guard several times,and there are so many red herrings in this film.Redder than the salt sands of one of the featured planets in the movie.
What i loved about the movie was the actual tug of war,turmoil and struggle with the dark side and light side of the force,i thought it was brought out well visually and through certain characters.
I thought the dynamic between Rey and Luke worked well.Ridley does well once again as the novice Jedi.Mark Hamil was outstanding as Luke,now Force weary and a reluctant Jedi Master and trainer.
Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) was definitely more interesting this time around.Drivers performance was very good as the conflicted and angry Sith lord who focuses his energies into making himself and the universe around him into what he wants it to be.
I thought the film gave the late great Carrie Fisher a good send off and it was definitely enhanced by her rewriting some of her lines in the film.
I enjoyed how they injected humor into the character of General Hux (a still pissed off Domhnall Gleeson)
I thought Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis at his best) definitely cast a more intimidating shadow this time around......especially in the first half of the movie.
Those little Porgs are used just enough not to be obnoxious.
The humor worked well.The space and land battles looked incredible.
My emotional chord was definitely struck a couple of times.
Now to the what i didnt like.
Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) I enjoyed his heroics but something the character does didnt sit well with me and in the end was handled way to casually.
Finn (John Boyega) i think Boyega does all he can with the character but his path/mission had it's moments but mainly felt like one of those boring,unfocused episodes of Star Wars Rebels,and the woman he teams up with Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran) was just ok.
There are things that occur that are out of the norm of the rest of the SW films and not in a good way,they really just open plot holes.
So many situations and characters were hyped up but in the end it/they go somewhere lackluster or plays out in a disappointing way.
In the end TLJ is a good movie but could have been better.In fact im not really enthusiastic about the next chapter,it wont be a long 2 year wait for me but i will definitely see it though because hey it's Star Wars.
Scale of 1-10 a 7½
Snoke was built up and he was intimidating but for him to be taken out so easily was terrible.I guess he got distracted by his own arrogance but it was still lame IMO
I have to go along with what Mark Hamill has been saying in various interviews.
His reluctance towards Rey was great but i guess closing himself off from The Force explains away some things and altered his thinking and his actions,but so much more could have been done with the character
Boyega puts in the work but the scripts make him the comic relief for the most part but at least they gave him some heroic moments
This movie caught me off guard several times,and there are so many red herrings in this film.Redder than the salt sands of one of the featured planets in the movie.
What i loved about the movie was the actual tug of war,turmoil and struggle with the dark side and light side of the force,i thought it was brought out well visually and through certain characters.
I thought the dynamic between Rey and Luke worked well.Ridley does well once again as the novice Jedi.Mark Hamil was outstanding as Luke,now Force weary and a reluctant Jedi Master and trainer.
Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) was definitely more interesting this time around.Drivers performance was very good as the conflicted and angry Sith lord who focuses his energies into making himself and the universe around him into what he wants it to be.
I thought the film gave the late great Carrie Fisher a good send off and it was definitely enhanced by her rewriting some of her lines in the film.
I enjoyed how they injected humor into the character of General Hux (a still pissed off Domhnall Gleeson)
I thought Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis at his best) definitely cast a more intimidating shadow this time around......especially in the first half of the movie.
Those little Porgs are used just enough not to be obnoxious.
The humor worked well.The space and land battles looked incredible.
My emotional chord was definitely struck a couple of times.
Now to the what i didnt like.
Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) I enjoyed his heroics but something the character does didnt sit well with me and in the end was handled way to casually.
Finn (John Boyega) i think Boyega does all he can with the character but his path/mission had it's moments but mainly felt like one of those boring,unfocused episodes of Star Wars Rebels,and the woman he teams up with Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran) was just ok.
There are things that occur that are out of the norm of the rest of the SW films and not in a good way,they really just open plot holes.
So many situations and characters were hyped up but in the end it/they go somewhere lackluster or plays out in a disappointing way.
In the end TLJ is a good movie but could have been better.In fact im not really enthusiastic about the next chapter,it wont be a long 2 year wait for me but i will definitely see it though because hey it's Star Wars.
Scale of 1-10 a 7½
Snoke was built up and he was intimidating but for him to be taken out so easily was terrible.I guess he got distracted by his own arrogance but it was still lame IMO
I have to go along with what Mark Hamill has been saying in various interviews.
His reluctance towards Rey was great but i guess closing himself off from The Force explains away some things and altered his thinking and his actions,but so much more could have been done with the character
Boyega puts in the work but the scripts make him the comic relief for the most part but at least they gave him some heroic moments
I went and saw on Saturday night, I like this movie!!..
..This movie gave you the unexpected and that's what i like about it..
Damn good movie to me!!..
..This movie gave you the unexpected and that's what i like about it..Damn good movie to me!!..
WHY DO SOME STAR WARS FANS HATE THE LAST JEDI?
We have some ideas why that may be...
BY SCOTT COLLURA Since Star Wars: The Last Jedi opened last night to huge numbers, it's become clear that not everyone who's seeing the film is terribly fond of it. While critics seem to have been charmed by writer-director Rian Johnson's take on Luke, Rey, Kylo Ren, Leia, and the rest -- the film currently has a 93% fresh critics rating on Rotten Tomatoes -- the audience score on that same site is sitting at just 56%. And while the latter number is not a particularly scientific way to appraise a film's popularity (with just over 67,000 ratings at the moment, this is not a large sampling of the bigger worldwide audience), all one needs to do is peek into a messageboard or jump on Twitter today to find that, for some fans, the Force is not at all with The Last Jedi.
So why is this film eliciting such a strong response? I have a few ideas, but in order to discuss them we'll have to talk full spoilers. You stand warned!
Snoke's Dead, Baby. Snoke's Dead.
One of the bigger surprises in the film comes when Supreme Leader Snoke -- that CGI confection dreamed up by J.J. Abrams and company for The Force Awakens as a sort of Next Gen Emperor Palpatine -- bites the big one at the hands of his apprentice Kylo Ren. When faced with the prospect of killing Rey, at the behest of Snoke, the former Ben Solo instead chooses to plant a lightsaber blade right into his boss' side. Ouch.
Johnson's decision to get rid of Snoke has rattled fans who have spent the past two years since TFA theorizing about and puzzling over the mysterious character's origins and true nature. Was he Ezra Bridger from the Rebels animated series, all grown up and deformed? Did he have some active role in the original trilogy or prequel era that would soon be revealed? How did he become so powerful with the Force and ascend to be the leader of the First Order? Who was this freaking guy?!
Some fans felt that they were owed answers to these questions, and if you became invested in Snoke between films it must be frustrating to see the character just dropped. But clearly Johnson had no interest in giving any answers in regards to the Supreme Leader; it's pretty obvious that the filmmaker wanted to -- and basically did -- jettison several of Abrams' additions to the pantheon (neither Phasma nor Maz Kanata fare much better than Snoke in this film). But it's an interesting situation to ponder. Did Johnson owe viewers some details about a character like Snoke -- who was so cloaked in and, really, built on mystery -- before killing him off? Perhaps. At the same time, it's clear that Abrams and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy had no real game plan for at least some of these characters beyond The Force Awakens, so why shouldn't Johnson be free to come in and tell the version of Snoke's story that he wants? Which, as it turns out, is the version where Snoke gets cut in half before we find out anything about him.
These Aren't the Parents You're Looking For
The disposition of Rey's parents, another mystery teased since The Force Awakens, seems to be resolved here with the not very earth-shattering revelation that Mr. and Mrs. Rey were "nobodies," junkers who sold their young daughter for drinking money. As with Snoke, Rey's parentage not turning out to be some crazy reference to past Star Wars mythology is difficult for some to swallow. Again, there had been so many theories and expectations built up around this Abrams mystery that the apparent truth of it all plays as disappointing for many. Indeed, some fans believe that Kylo Ren's story about Rey's folks is just a fake-out and that we will yet learn the truth about them in Episode IX. And who knows? With Abrams returning to helm that film, things may very well play out that way.
And yet, thematically this reveal ties into The Last Jedi -- and also the bigger Star Wars story. Johnson is obviously interested in the idea that heroes can, and often do, come from nothing. Witness the orphan child at the end of the film, abused and enslaved for the moment, but endowed with the power of the Force and looking off at the stars and the future. Even Luke Skywalker is descended from slaves; his father, Anakin, and his grandmother were bought and sold as well. But Anakin grew from those very low beginnings to become a powerful Jedi, and then the ultimate villain, before redeeming himself in his final moments. So is the idea that Rey, too, is just a "nobody" all that far-fetched?
Luke Gets Force-Ghosted
Bringing back the classic original characters of Han, Luke and Leia was always going to be fraught with dangers. How do you recapture the magic of these iconic figures decades after we last saw them and when they're well past their prime? Abrams mostly pulled if off with Han and Leia in Force Awakens, but Luke -- aside from a brief, silent appearance at the end of that film -- was left off the table until now, thereby building up even more for viewers the anticipation of seeing him in action.
And so the Luke that we finally got here had a lot to live up to. But of course, Johnson wanted to do something different with the character and not just rehash what had come before. This was a common complaint about Force Awakens, as we all know -- that Abrams recycled concepts from A New Hope. In avoiding that trap, though, it seems that Johnson has not hit all the marks that some fans expected and/or hoped for in regards to Luke. He doesn't pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit using the Force, he doesn't get into an awesome lightsaber duel... heck, he doesn't even leave Ahch-To. Also, he dies quietly while seeing a vision of the suns setting on the homeworld he long ago left behind.
It's easy to see how the anticipation for something like the ultimate laser sword duel between Luke and Kylo could be strong. But in this case the filmmaker chose to portray Luke's awesome power with the Force differently, and also in a manner that was -- for many other viewers -- extremely satisfying and dramatically surprising. Adding to it all is the fact that The Last Jedi, and Johnson, has killed off Luke Skywalker, a hero for so many of us for so very, very long. In a very real way, this starts to become personal.
These are the three major story points that a chunk of fandom seems to be struggling with today, though there have been other gripes as well of course. That's part and parcel of any movie, especially one that exists at the nexus of the pop-culture conversation like Star Wars. Of course, Star Wars is also an acutely emotional experience for many, many people, and so it only makes sense that their reactions to it would also be so emotional.
In the end, everyone is free to walk away from The Last Jedi -- or any work of art -- hating it, loving it, not caring about it one way or another, or whatever. It doesn't matter if the critics loved it if you personally didn't like it, and the opposite is true as well. Nor does it matter if your friends like it and you don't, or vice versa. But we must also remember that a filmmaker like Rian Johnson is free to make the movie that he wants to make, and that he isn't obligated to give you or me or anyone else the movie we think we want or that we've built up in our heads over the years. The best bet for any fan is to let a film like The Last Jedi wash over you and do your best to connect to it -- kind of like the Force. But if you can't, that's fine too. Just don't turn into the next Kylo Ren.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/16/why-do-some-star-wars-fans-hate-the-last-jedi
We have some ideas why that may be...
BY SCOTT COLLURA Since Star Wars: The Last Jedi opened last night to huge numbers, it's become clear that not everyone who's seeing the film is terribly fond of it. While critics seem to have been charmed by writer-director Rian Johnson's take on Luke, Rey, Kylo Ren, Leia, and the rest -- the film currently has a 93% fresh critics rating on Rotten Tomatoes -- the audience score on that same site is sitting at just 56%. And while the latter number is not a particularly scientific way to appraise a film's popularity (with just over 67,000 ratings at the moment, this is not a large sampling of the bigger worldwide audience), all one needs to do is peek into a messageboard or jump on Twitter today to find that, for some fans, the Force is not at all with The Last Jedi.
So why is this film eliciting such a strong response? I have a few ideas, but in order to discuss them we'll have to talk full spoilers. You stand warned!
Snoke's Dead, Baby. Snoke's Dead.
One of the bigger surprises in the film comes when Supreme Leader Snoke -- that CGI confection dreamed up by J.J. Abrams and company for The Force Awakens as a sort of Next Gen Emperor Palpatine -- bites the big one at the hands of his apprentice Kylo Ren. When faced with the prospect of killing Rey, at the behest of Snoke, the former Ben Solo instead chooses to plant a lightsaber blade right into his boss' side. Ouch.
Johnson's decision to get rid of Snoke has rattled fans who have spent the past two years since TFA theorizing about and puzzling over the mysterious character's origins and true nature. Was he Ezra Bridger from the Rebels animated series, all grown up and deformed? Did he have some active role in the original trilogy or prequel era that would soon be revealed? How did he become so powerful with the Force and ascend to be the leader of the First Order? Who was this freaking guy?!
Some fans felt that they were owed answers to these questions, and if you became invested in Snoke between films it must be frustrating to see the character just dropped. But clearly Johnson had no interest in giving any answers in regards to the Supreme Leader; it's pretty obvious that the filmmaker wanted to -- and basically did -- jettison several of Abrams' additions to the pantheon (neither Phasma nor Maz Kanata fare much better than Snoke in this film). But it's an interesting situation to ponder. Did Johnson owe viewers some details about a character like Snoke -- who was so cloaked in and, really, built on mystery -- before killing him off? Perhaps. At the same time, it's clear that Abrams and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy had no real game plan for at least some of these characters beyond The Force Awakens, so why shouldn't Johnson be free to come in and tell the version of Snoke's story that he wants? Which, as it turns out, is the version where Snoke gets cut in half before we find out anything about him.
These Aren't the Parents You're Looking For
The disposition of Rey's parents, another mystery teased since The Force Awakens, seems to be resolved here with the not very earth-shattering revelation that Mr. and Mrs. Rey were "nobodies," junkers who sold their young daughter for drinking money. As with Snoke, Rey's parentage not turning out to be some crazy reference to past Star Wars mythology is difficult for some to swallow. Again, there had been so many theories and expectations built up around this Abrams mystery that the apparent truth of it all plays as disappointing for many. Indeed, some fans believe that Kylo Ren's story about Rey's folks is just a fake-out and that we will yet learn the truth about them in Episode IX. And who knows? With Abrams returning to helm that film, things may very well play out that way.
And yet, thematically this reveal ties into The Last Jedi -- and also the bigger Star Wars story. Johnson is obviously interested in the idea that heroes can, and often do, come from nothing. Witness the orphan child at the end of the film, abused and enslaved for the moment, but endowed with the power of the Force and looking off at the stars and the future. Even Luke Skywalker is descended from slaves; his father, Anakin, and his grandmother were bought and sold as well. But Anakin grew from those very low beginnings to become a powerful Jedi, and then the ultimate villain, before redeeming himself in his final moments. So is the idea that Rey, too, is just a "nobody" all that far-fetched?
Luke Gets Force-Ghosted
Bringing back the classic original characters of Han, Luke and Leia was always going to be fraught with dangers. How do you recapture the magic of these iconic figures decades after we last saw them and when they're well past their prime? Abrams mostly pulled if off with Han and Leia in Force Awakens, but Luke -- aside from a brief, silent appearance at the end of that film -- was left off the table until now, thereby building up even more for viewers the anticipation of seeing him in action.
And so the Luke that we finally got here had a lot to live up to. But of course, Johnson wanted to do something different with the character and not just rehash what had come before. This was a common complaint about Force Awakens, as we all know -- that Abrams recycled concepts from A New Hope. In avoiding that trap, though, it seems that Johnson has not hit all the marks that some fans expected and/or hoped for in regards to Luke. He doesn't pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit using the Force, he doesn't get into an awesome lightsaber duel... heck, he doesn't even leave Ahch-To. Also, he dies quietly while seeing a vision of the suns setting on the homeworld he long ago left behind.
It's easy to see how the anticipation for something like the ultimate laser sword duel between Luke and Kylo could be strong. But in this case the filmmaker chose to portray Luke's awesome power with the Force differently, and also in a manner that was -- for many other viewers -- extremely satisfying and dramatically surprising. Adding to it all is the fact that The Last Jedi, and Johnson, has killed off Luke Skywalker, a hero for so many of us for so very, very long. In a very real way, this starts to become personal.
These are the three major story points that a chunk of fandom seems to be struggling with today, though there have been other gripes as well of course. That's part and parcel of any movie, especially one that exists at the nexus of the pop-culture conversation like Star Wars. Of course, Star Wars is also an acutely emotional experience for many, many people, and so it only makes sense that their reactions to it would also be so emotional.
In the end, everyone is free to walk away from The Last Jedi -- or any work of art -- hating it, loving it, not caring about it one way or another, or whatever. It doesn't matter if the critics loved it if you personally didn't like it, and the opposite is true as well. Nor does it matter if your friends like it and you don't, or vice versa. But we must also remember that a filmmaker like Rian Johnson is free to make the movie that he wants to make, and that he isn't obligated to give you or me or anyone else the movie we think we want or that we've built up in our heads over the years. The best bet for any fan is to let a film like The Last Jedi wash over you and do your best to connect to it -- kind of like the Force. But if you can't, that's fine too. Just don't turn into the next Kylo Ren.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/16/why-do-some-star-wars-fans-hate-the-last-jedi
See I can respect this review.... and I completely get your points about POE. I went back and watched it again.....I almost feel like the way he is portraying the character is intentional. At this point in the trilogy, I don't think we are supposed to like him. He is the hot head who doesn't want to be a leader. Notice how relieved and disappointed he was when Leia didn't give him command when she was out of commission.
I kind of Agree with you on Snoke and I kind of disagree with you on Snoke...... I think more movies should be willing to take these kinds of risks. Snoke was played up to be the Emperor, but in reality he was just Bobba Fett. Bobba was hyped up all through the first trilogy and he died from a basic laser blast in the back in the beginning of Return.
I can also agree and disagree with you on Finn.... this was a self contained story about Finn's growth from always wanting to Run away to him choosing to be a rebel. In Force Awakens.... everything that he did was for Rey or to get away from the First Order. Even in this movie, he wanted to run away to Rey...... but it was when he saw how the downtrodden were treated on that Casino planet by the rich.. He finally decided to become a rebel. That what made his sacrifice scene so strong because he was now willing to die for this cause.. Not for Rey but because he wanted too. That was huge moment. Also he took down his former commander... another huge moment.
I do think that there was a lot cut out from the Casino world scene....
Anyway good review.
Since JJ is doing the final film... My bet is that the knights of ren are going to have a comeback.
Also remember he stole a bunch of Jedi in training from Luke.
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They didnt consider anything that they did a success... that was point of this movie. They were just trying to survive and they were desperate.... Yet they kept fighting. They kept fighting when the Republic didn't answer their call. This is the lowest the rebellion has been in the history of the Franchise which was the entire point of this movie. The galaxy went from the Trade Union, to the Empire, and now the First Order... they have known nothing but endless WAR for decades and now they appear to have given up. The next movie is setting up to be the end of what we know of Star Wars.
Starting watching it on my FS. Got to the part where the ship Leia was blow up. When she started flying through space, like the Green Lantern, I was done watch and shut it off. No more comments!
After reading what you wrote about Finn, I realized that he essentially “completed his trials” without having a master. Kylo and Ren are seeking out guidance but Finn essentially goes through the same thing: he has a path to choose between light/dark, he has to overcome an emotional past to move forward, once he overcomes he then progresses to new levels of power/ability.
We used to speculate that he was Force sensitive or maybe a minor Force user....maybe his subtle progression sets him up to become able to train in some Jedi ways.
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