And the thing is I never said they were coons or anything like that
But the type of niggas they are it's not surprising their women selection
That's all that's it
Either you get it or you don't
Aries Spears on Key & Peele Not Being Chosen by the Black Community
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And the thing is I never said they were coons or anything like that
But the type of niggas they are it's not surprising their women selection
That's all that's it
Either you get it or you don't
These niggas are just corny to me. I never really put much thought into their blackness though
this dude needs a passport. He defining blackness to being poor in America and talking with slang. He should have said this was about a socioeconomic view rather than a sign of blackness.
Kay and Peele speak from a middle class suburb black experience. So they will always hit and miss with whites and poor blacks. At the same time, they can reach both crowds. Negative and positive.
Kay and Peele speak from a middle class suburb black experience. So they will always hit and miss with whites and poor blacks. At the same time, they can reach both crowds. Negative and positive.
yea they not coons, they are who they are. They're both biracial to begin with. Given their upbringing, they are never going to be like Katt Williams or someone. They hit or miss, corny SNL types that see the behavior from whites and blacks.
i don't know if you can call them coons. they view themselves as biracial. i never watched their show, and only watched the skit posted here on the walking dead. i dont find them funny either.
isn't that generally how MOST people define blackness...particularly black people. The "hood" is constantly referenced as THE home of blackness but the hood is the poor section of town.
So let me get this straight what Aries is saying. He's saying Key & Peele's comedy doesn't resonate well with black people because their not authentic 'Real Niggas' and they are so far from real niggas that their comedic depictions of black people aren't authentic either.
Ok.
Idk about anyone esle but the only reason I know about Key & Peele is because of other black people. Since they've arrived on the scene people were calling them the next thing since the Chappelle show. So this idea that they haven't been chosen by the black community sounds bullshit to me.
Maybe the disconnect is that Key & Peele don't do stand-up and haven't built their audience on stand up circuit before gaining momentum on TV so we are getting this "Chosen by the black community shit" Which I think is just trolling by Vlad and a faulty premise.
Most of the comedians black people know and respect today grew their audience from stand-up shows across the country and were co-signed by other well known comedians who made it big through the same grind. Key & Peele may have taken a different route to their success but I don't believe for a minute they are not recognized by the black community as talented comedians. Every conversation I've had about comedy with black people for the last 4 years a Key & Peele skit has been mentioned.
Aries doesn't like how they imitate black people in their skits and that's a fair criticism but you don't have to be a "Real Nigga" to do comedy and be successful.
Further, being from the hood doesn't make you more authentic in your blackness or a "real nigga" anymore than having a degree from a second rate community college makes you educated, or being able to put on a cheap suit off the rack at Nordstroms makes you sophisticated.
Black people need to get away from these superficial labels that boast of meager attributes they think makes them special, e.g. I'm an educated black man/woman, good black man/woman, successful black man/woman, I'm a real nigga etc. You ain't special and possessing those labels won't make you special.
Ok.
Idk about anyone esle but the only reason I know about Key & Peele is because of other black people. Since they've arrived on the scene people were calling them the next thing since the Chappelle show. So this idea that they haven't been chosen by the black community sounds bullshit to me.
Maybe the disconnect is that Key & Peele don't do stand-up and haven't built their audience on stand up circuit before gaining momentum on TV so we are getting this "Chosen by the black community shit" Which I think is just trolling by Vlad and a faulty premise.
Most of the comedians black people know and respect today grew their audience from stand-up shows across the country and were co-signed by other well known comedians who made it big through the same grind. Key & Peele may have taken a different route to their success but I don't believe for a minute they are not recognized by the black community as talented comedians. Every conversation I've had about comedy with black people for the last 4 years a Key & Peele skit has been mentioned.
Aries doesn't like how they imitate black people in their skits and that's a fair criticism but you don't have to be a "Real Nigga" to do comedy and be successful.
Further, being from the hood doesn't make you more authentic in your blackness or a "real nigga" anymore than having a degree from a second rate community college makes you educated, or being able to put on a cheap suit off the rack at Nordstroms makes you sophisticated.
Black people need to get away from these superficial labels that boast of meager attributes they think makes them special, e.g. I'm an educated black man/woman, good black man/woman, successful black man/woman, I'm a real nigga etc. You ain't special and possessing those labels won't make you special.
Again, there is nothing that white people are supporting that is supposed to make the system of racism/white supremacy weak. Hence, I do not support this.
Again, there is nothing that white people are supporting that is supposed to make the system of racism/white supremacy weak. Hence, I do not support this.
By that logic stop using U.S. currency because in essence that is white supremacy!!!
Like Aries told you, "They can go back to the hood and hang with niggas and not be out of place".
But who in reality actually does that, without the context of the appearance of "street cred?" Key was just in the D promoting his Detroit based comedy troupe and I believe he stops in on his alma mater U of D which is in the hood.
I saw Keanu which was very good. Never once did I think, "this nigga aint been back on 7 mile."
*shrugs*
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I once heard a black comedian say you ain't hood unless you smoke weed, been to jail and have two baby mamas... I heard on so called conscious brother say who here hasn't been locked up...It's a saying, Jay z ain't in the hood either
If failure is accepted as your normality it then becomes your reality, this is how mental slavery works and to quote the late great Bob Marley, we must "emancipate yourselves from mental slavery"!!
It was some hood ass motherfucker in some small club and yeah he got a palm face from me...You actually heard a comedian say that
yea that's what im more mad about. why the fuck is aries spears talking about anything authoritative about anything?
they are absolutely not doing this.
disagree with this too. it's not safe its different.
if they did the same style as chapelle this would be a 4 page thread on how they owe their entire success to dave.
It was some hood ass motherfucker in some small club and yeah he got a palm face from me...
I was being sarcastic
I wish I was....
I think you guys should probably watch the interviews posted in this thread earlier and let them tell you where they're coming from. I'm thankful that they're in the game and I think some of the dismissals I'm reading here are more projection than anything else.
Jordan talked about Martin Lawrence being a huge inspiration to him at a Google talk AND at the Esquire roundtable and deconstructed what made Martin such a great show. You don't do that kind of shit if you're running from your blackness.
Jordan talked about Martin Lawrence being a huge inspiration to him at a Google talk AND at the Esquire roundtable and deconstructed what made Martin such a great show. You don't do that kind of shit if you're running from your blackness.
I'll piggy back on that question and ask one of my own.
My question is; why is it that there is ONLY one brand of Black/Urban comedy that is deemed "acceptable" as funny by so-called "real niggas"?
Decades ago; we had successful Black comics who were dirty & hood as well as Black comics who were clean & family friendly.
- Richard Pryor & Bill Cosby
-Redd Foxx & Flip Wilson
-Moms Mabley & Nipsey Russell
-Eddie Murphy & Sinbad
-Whoopie Goldberg & George Wallace
So why is it now that we only have one definition about what comedy type appeals to "real niggas"...?
So, no "real niggas" found Bill Cosby, Sinbad or Flip Wilson funny...?
Jealousy they don't have the wit or means to connect to a larger audience.I'll piggy back on that question and ask one of my own.
My question is; why is it that there is ONLY one brand of Black/Urban comedy that is deemed "acceptable" as funny by so-called "real niggas"?
Decades ago; we had successful Black comics who were dirty & hood as well as Black comics who were clean & family friendly.
- Richard Pryor & Bill Cosby
-Redd Foxx & Flip Wilson
-Moms Mabley & Nipsey Russell
-Eddie Murphy & Sinbad
-Whoopie Goldberg & George Wallace
So why is it now that we only have one definition about what comedy type appeals to "real niggas"...?
So, no "real niggas" found Bill Cosby, Sinbad or Flip Wilson funny...?
The average black person isn't questioning their blackness. Middle class blacks get them. Most wouldn't care or say that's not me or they funny sometimes but they mad corny. It's other hood comics.
I find that when people talk about "real niggas" and whats lame or corny...if you look at what they think is funny its usually very profane and crude. And those two elements are REALLY important to them. Anything thats not base and violent or sexual in content and doesn't have cursing or enough cursing is deemed corny period. And the comedians who do crude profane humor tend to have issues with those who don't and are successful.I'll piggy back on that question and ask one of my own.
My question is; why is it that there is ONLY one brand of Black/Urban comedy that is deemed "acceptable" as funny by so-called "real niggas"?
Decades ago; we had successful Black comics who were dirty & hood as well as Black comics who were clean & family friendly.
- Richard Pryor & Bill Cosby
-Redd Foxx & Flip Wilson
-Moms Mabley & Nipsey Russell
-Eddie Murphy & Sinbad
-Whoopie Goldberg & George Wallace
So why is it now that we only have one definition about what comedy type appeals to "real niggas"...?
So, no "real niggas" found Bill Cosby, Sinbad or Flip Wilson funny...?
Its the same with rappers...
and this isn't even a race thing you find the same or similar among whites in say rock. crude rockers like punk and metal HAAAATE mainstream rockers because in their eyes rock music is suppose to be dangerous and subversive and if its not its bullshit.
so the definition of "real niggas" is...
- poor or working class but below poverty level is better
- uneducated or undereducated
- speaks in slang thats mostly heavily profanity laden
- prefers liberal use of violence and sexual content in their entertainment
What's happening now is "niggas" are the authority on what blackness is.
Blackness used to be knowledge of self, improving the community, looking out for the women, children, and elderly, etc.
Its hit or miss with them.
They are both bi-racial therefore as we well know they are BLACK that much is not up for debate it's just that their portrayal "of" blacks in their sketches comes off as superficial and over exaggerated "TO SOME BLACK PEOPLE" but to white people they think they are the funniest thing since Abbott and Costello....mind you Abbott and Costello were white. If you've ever been around a black person that clearly grew up around white people BUT does not deny his race gets along with any, all and everybody yet you (as another black person) can sense "this guy/gal did not hang around a lot of black people" That's" who Key and Peele are. P.S. for the record Jordan Peeles new wife ain't to cute but she got a bangin body.
So they're essentially caccooning...
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF...MIND YOU KEENAN WAYANS ACTUALLY SAYS YO YO YO IN HIS COMEDY PORTRAYAL OF A BLACK DUDE FROM THE HOOD..
Lol I hear you bro....
That mo money skit is authentic as fuck... with comedic embellishment of course.
The key and peele joint was cool, it sounds like they are trying to sound like xyz, which to me comes across as either terrible acting lol or pandering to the "white" perspective of how brothers sound.
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