Has Steph Curry supplanted LeBron as the 'Best Player in the World?' (CP Alert)

[stretchwallz]

Gonna be hard to surpass Jordan. He averaged 38 per game when you could mug NBA players. In that era Steph would be Dell Curry

He's the most popular player since Bird & Magic and his team is great.

Lebron will own so many records in 6 seasons that people will have to reevaluate his legacy

 

[Spectrum]

Nuccas is literally in here saying: 'steals, defensive rebounds and blocked shots' do not indicate that you are a good NBA defender.

you're an idiot. We're telling you that doing ONE of those things only doesn't make you a good NBA defender. Iverson leading the league in steals doesn't change the fact he was a below average defender.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Somebody get this psychotic clown a psychiatrist or some stronger meds!

And while you're at it post links to the vet for the Hall of Fame inductions for Lloyd Daniels, Sam Bowie, Penny Hardaway, etc. Based on your dumb ass logic all of them AND Greg Oden should be in the HOF... Some of the stupidest shit Ive evwr heard... But it makes sense for a mildly retarded overly medicated senile ass nigga to say stupid shit and cape for the borderline handicapped!

Oh, you talking to the God again? That was quick. Welcome back.

 

[Spectrum]

However, Dennis Rodman was a great scorer when he was in College. (He averaged 25 ppg + 16 rpg)

this dumb ass nigga used college as the example. that's how intellectually bankrupt some of you muthafuckas are. Smh

 

[Commish]

Curry is starting to feel like a Randy Moss type of player to me. Randy didn't run the full route tree.. he wasn't running through tackles...wasn't an imposing physical player, etc... but it didn't matter. He was so good at a couple of things, that he completely changed the way you had to defend. Literally, offensive coordinates had to throw out the play book.

So I'm trying to see what else do we need to see from Curry? Does he need to be a better defender? Do we need to see him up his assists? What do we need to see from him?

Stephen needs to more time in the league to start. Then he needs to be an overall well rounded player in order to be considered not only one of the best NBA players, but the GOAT. So, yes to those questions you posed as far as what he needs to do along with being consistent.

But, once again, it will be very difficult for him to eclipse those greats who played before him. It is possible, but difficut. LeBron will be revered as the GOAT before Stephen based on his overall game, physical stature and other measurables.

 

[Rudey]

this dumb ass nigga used college as the example. that's how intellectually bankrupt some of you muthafuckas are. Smh

LoL!

 

[Spectrum]

Stephen needs to more time in the league to start. Then he needs to be an overall well rounded player in order to be considered not only one of the best NBA players, but the GOAT. So, yes to those questions you posed as far as what he needs to do along with being consistent.

But, once again, it will be very difficult for him to eclipse those greats who played before him. It is possible, but difficut. LeBron will be revered as the GOAT before Stephen based on his overall game, physical stature and other measurables.

Great response.

 

[Amajorfucup]

this dumb ass nigga used college as the example. that's how intellectually bankrupt some of you muthafuckas are. Smh

You brought this on yourself. Fuk you.

 

[Spectrum]

But, once again, it will be very difficult for him to eclipse those greats who played before him. It is possible, but difficut. LeBron will be revered as the GOAT before Stephen based on his overall game, physical stature and other measurables.

I think Lebron was alluding to this yesterday. So the question is will he be regulated to being the greatest shooter of all time?

 

[grownazzblakman]

this dumb ass nigga used college as the example. that's how intellectually bankrupt some of you muthafuckas are. Smh

How is that 'intellectually bankrupt'... When your dumbass cannot even answer the question I posted. GTFOH.

This nucca can't even answer simple fucking question. but got the nerve to try to dis.

 

[Spectrum]

You brought this on yourself. Fuk you.

Hahaahhaha

 

[Africanama]

Man, the only shooting Curry he hasn't done is shooting Y-chromosomes into his hot wife to make his heir apparent.

 

[grownazzblakman]

you're an idiot. We're telling you that doing ONE of those things only doesn't make you a good NBA defender. Iverson leading the league in steals doesn't change the fact he was a below average defender.

No. You are an idiot because I said Magic did ALL of those things at the same time. That's what makes him a BETTER defender. point blank. Period.

No go ahead and tell us how someone doing 3 things at the same time on the defensive end of the floor... is WORSE... Than the guy who only does 1 thing that is not called 'shot blocking'.

Jackass.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Curry is starting to feel like a Randy Moss type of player to me. Randy didn't run the full route tree.. he wasn't running through tackles...wasn't an imposing physical player, etc... but it didn't matter. He was so good at a couple of things, that he completely changed the way you had to defend. Literally, offensive coordinates had to throw out the play book.

So I'm trying to see what else do we need to see from Curry? Does he need to be a better defender? Do we need to see him up his assists? What do we need to see from him?

Nothing. Last night is a perfect illustration of him.
His shot was not falling so he was a pg and dished out assists and set ppl up
When it was time to step up and close he did it himself

That is all a great pg is supposed to do.

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Oh, you talking to the God again? That was quick. Welcome back.

It wasn't quick, you're senile ass just lost track of time again! Must have took your meds and nodded off again is all! LMAO

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That's what I'm asking people. I'm cool with any answer.

Do people feel like he's going to be the greatest shooter of all time and that's it? I'm asking what do people think the ceiling is on this kid?

The only thing he can do is improve defense he is as complete an offensive player there is.
Shoot from anywhere spot up or off dribble
His touch around the rim is great he is a great finisher with an array of shots high floater off glass everything his handle is tops and he is a great passer. Willing passer. A true point guard sees that a guy is not and gets him the ball he literally passed up shots to run the offense and get klay the ball.

The team moves the ball as well. If we don't penalize a Tony parker for playing on a team that uses ball movement we not gonna penalize curry because we know damn well if he was in a ball dominant system where he had to produce the assists he could

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Gonna be hard to surpass Jordan. He averaged 38 per game when you could mug NBA players. In that era Steph would be Dell Curry

He's the most popular player since Bird & Magic and his team is great.

Lebron will own so many records in 6 seasons that people will have to reevaluate his legacy

He will be this generations Jordan if he keeps it up.
Lebron is already in every conversation as goat.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I think Lebron was alluding to this yesterday. So the question is will he be regulated to being the greatest shooter of all time?

If he is it'll be on par with the disrespect he gets now.

Every person is better when he's on the coyet period. Everyone goes into analytics to try and say well can't measure their impact but then turn around and say well all he does is shoot

 

[Spectrum]

How is that 'intellectually bankrupt'...

Offering Rodman's college stats in this argument is the equivalent of injecting Tim Tebow's college career when talking about NFL QBs. Go have a seat in bucket of gasoline and smoke a cigarette.

cannot even answer the question I posted. .

I only respond to stupid ass questions when toddlers ask me.

The only legitimate question was the one I asked. Since you admitted that being good at ONE thing on your side of the court doesn't make you a good player on that side of the court, you need to make another argument for someone being a good defensive player besides the fact that they lead in steals. A lot of sorry ass defensive players have lead the league in steals so it doesn't mean a damn thing.

If Magic was a good defensive player, he would have at least made the 3rd defensive team ONCE over his entire career.

 

[Spectrum]

Gonna be hard to surpass Jordan. y

I'm not even asking that. I'm saying if we say Bill Russell, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, and 2-3 others are on the pantheon of the game's greatest players and say you can only have 6-7 there..pretty much one per era. Can Curry be added if he keeps playing like this...

or do people think that he's not a good enough defender or he doesn't get enough assists as a PG or something like that which would disqualify him.

You can't make any legitimate arguments against Lebron, for instance he can play both sides of the ball.. has lead the scoring, won titles, a good defender and also very versatile as a defender.. a complete player etc.. Curry won't be THAT type of player but if he keeps shooting like this over several years, would it be enough... just like nobody really gives a shit that Moss wasn't really running the full route tree nor was he known was a blocker (unlike Rice who did everything)...but you couldn't stop that post route if your life depended on it.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I'm surprised that this conversation is happening so fast. The brother has one championship and two MVPs. He's doing unbelievable shit with the ball, but his body of work is relatively small. Long story short: no, he's not above Lebron in terms of All Time Greatness, so let's not even begin to compare him to Jordan.

 

[Spectrum]

and say well all he does is shoot

My argument is this.. it might not be true, but if we just accept the fact that he's an average defender or doesn't play like a true PG (like some people say), does his FAR superior shooting than anyone else in league history override that? Barry Sanders had the most tackled for a loss more than any other RB in league history, but considering his squad and everything else he did, do people hold that against him?

 

[Spectrum]

no, he's not above Lebron in terms of All Time Greatness,

That's not the question. The question is: is he better than Lebron THIS SEASON?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

My argument is this.. it might not be true, but if we just accept the fact that he's an average defender or doesn't play like a true PG (like some people say), does his FAR superior shooting than anyone else in league history override that? Barry Sanders had the most tackled for a loss more than any other RB in league history, but considering his squad and everything else he did, do people hold that against him?

It might but it's disrespectful. Cause when you say he can't but he does there's a problem that's underrating the 2nd best player in the nba which should never happen

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

That's not the question. The question is: is he better than Lebron THIS SEASON?

Yep. Or as close as anyone has been in years.

 

[blackmarket]

It won't be broken up the core is signed
Keep wishing tho.

And you guys have it backwards that's the most troubling part.

The team doesn't allow him he allows the team.

Draymond can score 9 points and it's ok.

Klay can get all the easy shots in the world
How many wide open shots do people get because he's on the court?
Barnes hit that 3 because curry was on the court his defender said fuck that.

You leave klay Thompson open because curry is on the court.
How many walk in layups does draymond need to get off the pick and roll because the defenders will never go under a screen and the screener guy will never show and then go back to the other man before we start respecting his impact?

Whoaaa b, I'm not sayin he doesnt allow them, all the shit you said is true clearly without his offense they was about to have issues with shade over .500 Portland.

At the same time theres lot if team factors (Draymond being #1 followed by not having to play D) that contribute to the way hes been able to dominate offensively. I dont see him being able to go to the Nuggets or Suns and be the same player with the teams they have and turn that team around. He'd still be good but all the GOAT talk would be a memory.

Prime Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, turning any team around and just as dominant maybe more depending on the situation. Maybe Kobe too but he might not make the team better.

But hey i may be wrong and if they keep the core intact and commit to keep the bench and team philosophy/chemistry at the same level fuck it he and theyll be good. His game'll still have to add another dimension before hes the goat though

 

[Spectrum]

Peace,



Yep.

Ok. I'm trying to get a good feel for what people think about this as there was a debate about MVP vs. The league's best player.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Whoaaa b, I'm not sayin he doesnt allow them, all the shit you said is true clearly without his offense they was about to have issues with shade over .500 Portland.

At the same time theres lot if team factors (Draymond being #1 followed by not having to play D) that contribute to the way hes been able to dominate offensively. I dont see him being able to go to the Nuggets or Suns and be the same player with the teams they have and turn that team around. He'd still be good but all the GOAT talk would be a memory.

Prime Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, turning any team around and just as dominant maybe more depending on the situation. Maybe Kobe too but he might not make the team better.

But hey i may be wrong and if they keep the core intact and commit to keep the bench and team philosophy/chemistry at the same level fuck it he and theyll be good. His game'll still have to add another dimension before hes the goat though

I completely disagree.

You put curry on a team and you change the way you defend that team period.
That's the point.
You have to change. You don't want him handling the ball trust me. You want him off the ball and not abusing your pg.

He makes the game easier for everyone else on the court and takes the pressure to perform

The warriors were down 16 to 2 he literally came in off the bench off of injury and the entire complexion of the game changed and he hadn't taken a shot.

At this point you hope he doesn't make 2 jumpers in a row because it he does its fucking over.

Nobody strikes fear like him in that aspect

The other things are the icing the fact that he is a dope ass passer and great rim finisher

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

Ok. I'm trying to get a good feel for what people think about this as there was a debate about MVP vs. The league's best player.

I think he's the league's best player. Lebron is better in the post, and has the ability to play MUCH better defense than Steph, but Lebron's been extraordinarily inconsistent in that category this year, so he's given away that advantage. Steph is a fair-to-middling defender (I remember I said he was garbage defensively, and cats rightly disagreed with me) but he's other worldly on offense, and is a very good passer. He's got it this year.

 

[gene cisco]

Peace,

I'm surprised that this conversation is happening so fast. The brother has one championship and two MVPs. He's doing unbelievable shit with the ball, but his body of work is relatively small. Long story short: no, he's not above Lebron in terms of All Time Greatness, so let's not even begin to compare him to Jordan.

I agree. Curry is shooting the ball like crazy, but I've seen Lebron carry what would be a lottery team to the finals. Lebron been a dominating force for over a decade.

Shit, we have to still see how this season goes.

 

[Solomon]

I think it's possible that he could be in the conversation of being the best player ever someday. He will never have the explosive above the rim play that Jordan, Kobe, LeBron had/have etc., but it's hard to imagine that he is so much better this year than he was last year. If this trend continues, he could easily end up on the Mt. Rushmore of NBA greats. Jordan wasn't "Jordan" his first couple of years in the league, so if we asked this same question about MJ his first couple of years it is likely that many people would have said that he would never be mentioned among the greats like Magic, Bird, Dr. J., Russell, etc. I think next year will be a pivotal point in Steph's career as far as "Is Steph the GOAT" conversation goes. If he has equal or better numbers next year than he had this year, it will be hard to not at least put him in the conversation.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I agree. Curry is shooting the ball like crazy, but I've seen Lebron carry what would be a lottery team to the finals. Lebron been a dominating force for over a decade.

Shit, we have to still see how this season goes.

I'd say that Steph was better than Lebron this year, but it's still pretty close. I'd love to see what Steph could do on another team, in another system. I wonder if his impact on any team is as instantly transformative as Lebron's, but we won't know.

 

[fwillia]

That's not the question. The question is: is he better than Lebron THIS SEASON?

He had the best season, so in that sense he's better this season, but Lebron is still the most complete player in the game.

I can't recall an instance where Curry's gone extended periods of a game without taking a shot, while still clearly being the best/most dominant player on the court.

Lebron's pretty much built his legacy on doing that.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I think it's possible that he could be in the conversation of being the best player ever someday. He will never have the explosive above the rim play that Jordan, Kobe, LeBron had/have etc., but it's hard to imagine that he is so much better this year than he was last year. If this trend continues, he could easily end up on the Mt. Rushmore of NBA greats. Jordan wasn't "Jordan" his first couple of years in the league, so if we asked this same question about MJ his first couple of years it is likely that many people would have said that he would never be mentioned among the greats like Magic, Bird, Dr. J., Russell, etc. I think next year will be a pivotal point in Steph's career as far as "Is Steph the GOAT" conversation goes. If he has equal or better numbers next year than he had this year, it will be hard to not at least put him in the conversation.

Only thing about this: Steph's had one good season and two great ones. Jordan was Jordan as soon as he touched down in the league. Hard to disagree with anything else you said.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

He had the best season, so in that sense he's better this season, but Lebron is still the most complete player in the game.

I can't recall an instance where Curry's gone extended periods of a game without taking a shot, while still clearly being the best/most dominant player on the court.

Lebron's pretty much built his legacy on doing that.

Damn good point too. It's a tough argument.