BGOL review .. BATMAN V SUPERMAN... (thoughts, summary, spoilers)

parts of your statement just repeat what I said already...yes supervillains were created for better battles, yes comicbook stories require a higher suspension of disbelief that the usual work of fiction and yes people have other issues with the story which is why theres much grumbling.

Your explanation for why he missed his mother sounds reasonable if you never saw the first movie or don't know supermans history. In MOS we see a young clark overwhelmed by his senses and the world around him he learned how to control his abilities by focusing on his mother's voice.



Clark: The world's too big mom.
Martha: Then make it small. Focus on my voice...


One could assume that when he watched his father die he didn't just see it he heard the elevated heartbeat and grasps of pain as the tornado ripped his father apart. the ONLY reason Pa died is because he stopped Clark from saving him. You think he would let that happen again? Ma and Pa Kent were Clarks ONLY touchstones to his humanity long before Lois showed up so its reasonable to assume he would be acutely sensitive to his only surviving parent.

If youre a fan of this treatment of super then you buy into this so (to me) it seems a very large stretch that superman would lose focus of the first person who taught him how to do it. And its more a convenience for the story than an organic flow of how the story flows. People buy into suspension of disbelief up to a certain point even in comic book stories. The myth says that superman can hear clouds scrape each other in the sky. he hear lois's indiscriminate banging under water over the cacophony of the sounds of battle with DD.

I believe a man can fly
I believe kryptonite makes him weak
I don't believe he wouldn't recognize the sounds of his mother in distress.


I am not a fan of man of Steel but I have watched it about 10 times - with family members who like it but the scene that gets to me is the one where his father dies. Clark could have saved him, he could move so fast that is is literally unseen and trust me in the chaos of a tornado - people are not interested in where did Clark go at that moment - most would assume he got swept away also.

Fuck I am not going to use everything in my power to stop my father's death.

Yeah films are inconsistent on powers and ability - Lois should have died when Lex pushed her from the building but Superman swept in from somewhere to her her screaming -

Then if his mother is kidnapped - he should have disabled that helicopter and said fuck it and looked for his mother - his speed is extraordinary and Lex hide her in Gotham City not in Beirut - he could have found her and if not Lex would pay - Zod Style (wait this is BGOL - No Hom0). He wased so much time fucking with Batman instead of using his powers more effectively.
 
If youre a fan of this treatment of super then you buy into this so (to me) it seems a very large stretch that superman would lose focus of the first person who taught him how to do it. And its more a convenience for the story than an organic flow of how the story flows. People buy into suspension of disbelief up to a certain point even in comic book stories. The myth says that superman can hear clouds scrape each other in the sky. he hear lois's indiscriminate banging under water over the cacophony of the sounds of battle with DD.

I believe a man can fly
I believe kryptonite makes him weak
I don't believe he wouldn't recognize the sounds of his mother in distress.

:smh::smh:

I can DEFINITELY believe he would not recognize, or not hear his own moms 'in distress'.

Because Superman is in LOVE. Clearly.

So he ain't really too focused on his mom dukes.... Because he pussy whipped. :rolleyes:

Shheeeiiittt...Superman must be a bgol member. :D

How can you not 'buy into' it when lots of dudes on this very board practically lose they minds over pics of certain 'white broads' they not even fucking? :rolleyes::yes:

Half these dudes would not 'hear' their own family members yelling right their ear... while they typing "raw", "no pullout", "she can get my whole paycheck", etc, etc.


:lol:

And they don't even got no superpowers. :smh:

Just saying. :D
 
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I was speaking hypothetically - just making the point that how much money it made wasn't the main discussion after it came out - it was how enjoyable it was

Winter Soldier which was a film that was not all sunshine and flowers was also a fun movie despite the fact that Hydra destroyed SHIELD and Captain America was criminalized.

If people are enjoying the movie the box office is the secondary story - not the primary story as with BvS
If most people enjoyed the movie - box office wouldn't be primary story
 
I am not a fan of man of Steel but I have watched it about 10 times - with family members who like it but the scene that gets to me is the one where his father dies. Clark could have saved him, he could move so fast that is is literally unseen and trust me in the chaos of a tornado - people are not interested in where did Clark go at that moment - most would assume he got swept away also.

Fuck I am not going to use everything in my power to stop my father's death.

Yeah films are inconsistent on powers and ability - Lois should have died when Lex pushed her from the building but Superman swept in from somewhere to her her screaming -

He wasted so much time fucking with Batman instead of using his powers more effectively.

Yeah the pa Kent shit really was dumb

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I know some try to say that this was him sacrificing himself to save Clark's identity I think that's bullshit. it makes no sense for him to not let his son save him. In the original Superman when his father died it was the fact that he couldn't save him despite all his powers, that a heart attack, something we're susceptible to as humans took him out.

Any human element or reality of humanity is lost in this movie. It's like every time there is a chance to connect they miss the mark.

He can save Lois anywhere in the world but mom's nah

GTFOH
 
I am not a fan of man of Steel but I have watched it about 10 times - with family members who like it but the scene that gets to me is the one where his father dies. Clark could have saved him, he could move so fast that is is literally unseen and trust me in the chaos of a tornado - people are not interested in where did Clark go at that moment - most would assume he got swept away also.
I know some try to say that this was him sacrificing himself to save Clark's identity I think that's bullshit. it makes no sense for him to not let his son save him. In the original Superman when his father died it was the fact that he couldn't save him despite all his powers, that a heart attack, something we're susceptible to as humans took him out.
Agreed. Horrible writing. A key component to the development of Clark as a man was coming to gripes with his power, the responsibility of having them, and the limitations (human mortality) he learned first hand having to witness his fathers death. To needlessly change that fucks with the characters fundamentals, to change it in such a poor manor fucks with the quality of the film. Easily the worst part of MOS.
 
After ‘Batman v Superman’ Box Office Disappointment, Warner Bros. May Release Fewer Films

Sources tell THR that Warner Bros. is now mulling the prospect of releasing fewer “homegrown” films (ie. developed at WB from the ground up) in favor of putting most of its focus on a trio of potential hitmakers: the DC movies, the LEGO movies, and the new Harry Potter spinoff Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. This isn’tentirely due to Batman v Superman, as Warner Bros. also suffered a disappointing 2015 with pricey busts like Jupiter Ascending, Pan, and In the Heart of the Sea, but the hefty 69% box office drop for Batman v Superman’s second weekend signals that the film probably won’t hit $1 billion worldwide, which is a massive problem considering you have the two most iconic superheroes in history in a movie together for the very first time. The film may even be prematurely unseated from the #1 throne this weekend by the Melissa McCarthy comedy The Boss.


http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-box-office-warner-bros-movies/
 
Agreed. Horrible writing. A key component to the development of Clark as a man was coming to gripes with his power, the responsibility of having them, and the limitations (human mortality) he learned first hand having to witness his fathers death. To needlessly change that fucks with the characters fundamentals, to change it in such a poor manor fucks with the quality of the film. Easily the worst part of MOS.

The reason it made no sense because Zack Snyder wanted to make Pa Kent into a selfish bastard that pretty much tells Clark to let them drown rather than save them. Pa Kent was and is always Clark's moral foundation, what makes him "human" - he would tell Clark to use his gifts not for gain but for the greater good. - Superman is that boy from Smallville - Superman is his disguise - Bruce Wayne is Batman's disguise-

This is not hard but Zack Snyder keeps getting it wrong. Superman is an icon for Moral and values and as you pointed out the death of his father by a heart attack showed him that he in not omnipotent and some things he cannot do or people he cannot save but also that life is precious - that why he doesn't kill.

There are so many ways you can tweak Superman but you can't make him Batman - dour and gloomy - the animated series of cartoons have given us different looks at Superman but they never changed his core values and who he is -
 
Yeah the pa Kent shit really was dumb

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I know some try to say that this was him sacrificing himself to save Clark's identity I think that's bullshit. it makes no sense for him to not let his son save him. In the original Superman when his father died it was the fact that he couldn't save him despite all his powers, that a heart attack, something we're susceptible to as humans took him out.

Any human element or reality of humanity is lost in this movie. It's like every time there is a chance to connect they miss the mark.

He can save Lois anywhere in the world but mom's nah

GTFOH

I actually really like the pa Kent scene in man of steel mainly because he didn't feel that the world was ready for his son and he felt that it was his one way of protecting the child that couldn't physically be hurt..... But yeah shit didn't make any fucking sense in batman v superman.
 
I am not a fan of man of Steel but I have watched it about 10 times - with family members who like it but the scene that gets to me is the one where his father dies. Clark could have saved him, he could move so fast that is is literally unseen and trust me in the chaos of a tornado - people are not interested in where did Clark go at that moment - most would assume he got swept away also.

Fuck I am not going to use everything in my power to stop my father's death.

Yeah films are inconsistent on powers and ability - Lois should have died when Lex pushed her from the building but Superman swept in from somewhere to her her screaming -

Then if his mother is kidnapped - he should have disabled that helicopter and said fuck it and looked for his mother - his speed is extraordinary and Lex hide her in Gotham City not in Beirut - he could have found her and if not Lex would pay - Zod Style (wait this is BGOL - No Hom0). He wased so much time fucking with Batman instead of using his powers more effectively.

Because he's a man and he makes mistakes.

Clark could have saved him but instead he listened to his father and did not.

He still listens to his father. In this movie when he went soul searching he was listening to his father.
 
Yeah the pa Kent shit really was dumb

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I know some try to say that this was him sacrificing himself to save Clark's identity I think that's bullshit. it makes no sense for him to not let his son save him. In the original Superman when his father died it was the fact that he couldn't save him despite all his powers, that a heart attack, something we're susceptible to as humans took him out.

Any human element or reality of humanity is lost in this movie. It's like every time there is a chance to connect they miss the mark.

He can save Lois anywhere in the world but mom's nah

GTFOH


Now i agree with this. I agree that it shouldn't have gone down like that. In the need to be more dramatic they added that and I didn't like it but understood where Superman was coming from. Not a strong point in that movie.
 
Man I forgot that Melissa Mcarthy's movie comes out this weekend. Her shit normally comes in the 29 to 32 million dollar range.... Man if BVS is dethroned by Melissa Mcarthy in its 3rd weekend... Warner brothers is going to lose their shit.
From what I'm hearing they already have been losing their shit... I mean your two biggest stars from DC together on the same screen and it's not going to do a billion dollars worldwide that has to be pretty disappointing one would think
 
Man I forgot that Melissa Mcarthy's movie comes out this weekend. Her shit normally comes in the 29 to 32 million dollar range.... Man if BVS is dethroned by Melissa Mcarthy in its 3rd weekend... Warner brothers is going to lose their shit.

They should. They watched what Snyder did and let him do it. The moment he said OK this is going to be full of nothing but cowbell they should've snatched it from him. The ideas were OK the execution wasn't done right.
They could've and should've organized it better.

Intro is fine. establishes we're going to see some dream sequences from batman. the haunting shit and his visions of the future.
Didn't really develop wonder woman at all.
They threw in the little lab link thing to try and get everyone hyped about the other people in the justice league it could've been done better.
It was just the pauses in the movie for me. they wanted every scene to be epic and it didn't need to be. the music didn't need to be crazy every time someone made a simple speech. it wasn't even and that's editing.
for me the vision of batman in the camo gear probably would've been the dopest thing ive seen in a movie in the last couple of years if they set it up better than that. and if they shot it better. if it came a little later it would've been incredibly epic beyond belief type epic. the scene on its own is raw and flawless basically. whole thing. but in context of the movie it didn't have the impact it should have.
 
Warner Bros. Is in Such Denial OverBatman v Superman

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Despite the abundance of Batman v Superman’s negative reviews and the film’s swift, severe drop in box office sales since its debut a week and a half ago (even with an utter lack of competition!), Warner Bros. executives seem adamant in learning absolutely nothing from the movie’s problems.

The Hollywood Repoter reports (from Hollywood) that “Several sources say Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in.” Shocked! Shocked, I say! No one would think that this unpleasant surprise—and, again, the absolutelyenormous drop in viewers and ticket sales—might make the studio take some steps to correct this issue in the future. Instead, here’s what THR says:

Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes toJustice League, “we’re not going to take a movie that’s supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else.”

If your brain is having trouble parsing what is happening here—which is understandable, because this is mind-blowingly insane—Warner Bros. recognizes there are problems with Batman v Superman, and will take the time to figure out what those problems are...


...and then they will do nothing to fix them.

Yes, apparently Zack Snyder has the same carte blanche to make Justice League,even after failing to turn the first-ever movie starring three of the biggest, most popular superheroes in the world, into a film that analysts believe won’t even make a billion dollars worldwide. Maybe that still sounds like a lot of money, but you know what actually made a billion bucks? Tim Burton’s needless 2010 Alice in Wonderland film. If you put Batman and Superman andWonder Woman together in a live-action movie for the first time ever, don’t you think that movie should probably outgross Iron Man 3?

I fully admit I did not see this coming. I just assumed, like every other movie studio, that Warner Bros would do everything it could to make as much money as possible. But nope! They... they’re just going to let Snyder make a new entry in his DC Cinematic Murderverse, whether people want it or not. Cool.

 
After ‘Batman v Superman’ Box Office Disappointment, Warner Bros. May Release Fewer Films



http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-box-office-warner-bros-movies/

Wonder Woman Movie Gets Moved Up, Two Untitled DC Films Get Release Dates

Warner Bros. has moved up the release date ofWonder Woman.

The film has been moved from its June 23, 2017 release and will now open weeks earlier, on June 2, 2017.

Wonder Woman will be Gal Gadot's first solo outting as DC's iconic Amazon princess after debuting in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. The film is directed by Patty Jenkins.

The shift in release dates means Wonder Woman will no longer be battling Transformers 5at the box office. Instead, it now shares a release date with Bad Boys 3.

Warner Bros. also slotted two untitled DC Comics movies for Oct. 5, 2018 and Nov. 1, 2019.

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/06/wonder-woman-movie-gets-moved-up-two-untitled-dc-films-get-relea/
 

The shift in release dates means Wonder Woman will no longer be battling Transformers 5at the box office. Instead, it now shares a release date with Bad Boys 3.

Warner Bros. also slotted two untitled DC Comics movies for Oct. 5, 2018 and Nov. 1, 2019.

http://comicbook.com/2016/04/06/wonder-woman-movie-gets-moved-up-two-untitled-dc-films-get-relea/

WB continues to fuck it up. Why not push Wonder Woman back to August. I know that Transformers 5 is a behemoth, but Bad Boys is no slouch. Plus the next weekend you have Tom Cruise's The Mummy reboot and the World War Z sequel. Oh and the weekend before..... Pirates of the Caribbean. All this shit is making money.... Man I would have pulled a Fox and moved this bitch to February or March.

This is all the Shit coming in June...

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http://www.movieinsider.com/movies/june/2017
 
The biggest movies DC could make 1. Batman & superman 2. Trinity 3. Wonder Woman 4.Batman & Robin 5. Justice League.

Can some explain why they fucked up potential money for some bullshit j league movie ?
 
The biggest movies DC could make 1. Batman & superman 2. Trinity 3. Wonder Woman 4.Batman & Robin 5. Justice League.

Can some explain why they fucked up potential money for some bullshit j league movie ?

They haven't got a clue. I think we trust them to make a decent product, but they are just dumb out of touch with what the audience wants and what will move numbers.
 
add to the fact they f'ed up the man of Steel franchise, the bvs movie had excellent ideas and a ton of potential. There was enough content for two movies in batman vs superman, but wanted to cram it all in one movie for the useless shared universe concept.
 
:smh:

Warner Brothers Civil War?

:popcorn:


ZACK SNYDER RUMORED TO LOSE JUSTICE LEAGUE CONTROL; ADJUSTMENTS MADE FOLLOWING BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN

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With Batman vs. Superman getting such mixed reviews, and it now looking likely the movie won't reach that magic billion dollar mark, the rumors are starting to fly.

The first rumor actually came out prior to the release of Batman Vs. Superman, which stated execs at WB were worried about the film and future of the Justice League universe. Looking back at it now, the rumor may hold merit, and now it's also suggested Zack Snyder may no longer be in charge of Justice League (see below).

The second rumor - which turned out to be true - is that WB decided to do Suicide Squad reshoots. Now whether it's to add in more humor like the rumor stated or more action like Jai Courtney offered is unclear, but reshoots are happening nonetheless.

The latest batch of rumors courtesy THR:

A new producer could be brought on to WB DC's universe to take control over from Zack Snyder: "...maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League." However, the article notes: "But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans."

(my thoughts: What's up with Geoff Johns? Certainly he has to realize the movies aren't in line with the comics, especially what they did with Superman in the last two movies. The bad news: Johns was on "Green Lantern." The obvious problem could be is that Geoff Johns' opinions hold no weight. Is anybody listening to Johns at WB?)

It's rumored Batman Vs. Superman may make little profit: "...competitors say the film may turn a profit but hardly will be the money gusher studios hope for when they pour massive resources into making a giant tentpole with a big star — with a budget in this case said to be in excess of $300 million, and Ben Affleck."

DC movies are not like Marvel movies: "The biggest problem is that it is not turning [DC] into Marvel," a rival studios head is quoted as stating. "The audience has communicated, as have the critics."

Something is wrong with Batman v Superman: The movie should be hitting a billion because Batman and Superman are two of the most iconic characters, and Jurassic World did hit a billion: "...you can't tell me Batman v. Superman is so much less valuable..." an agent argued.

WB execs are clueless: "Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in."

(my thoughts: herein may lie the problem: The WB execs are obviously clueless about comic book movies and properties. Did they see the same movie as we did? Why not create a DC writer's/consultant group consisting of Paul Dini, Bruce Timm, etc.? Use assets from DC properties that are already successful -- animated and video game universes.)

WB is said to dismiss the rumors: but will "naturally evaluate what went wrong with BvS."

Regarding Justice League, WB says: "...we're not going to take a movie that's supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else."

"Instability" at WB: is a result of the ouster of Alan Horn (who is seeing huge success at Disney) and Jeff Robinov (who was in charge for the Nolan movies, Harry Potter, etc).


http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/batman-vs-superman-justice-league-rumors
 
BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN DARKSEID KNIGHTMARE SAID NOT TO BE A DREAM

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I think this is pretty much in line with what most people think in regards to the Batman Knightmare scene from Batman Vs. Superman that hints at Darkseid with the omega symbol and the parademons.

Jay Oliva, who directs some of the WB animated films and worked on both Man of Steeland Batman Vs. Superman as a storyboard artist, compares the scene to something out of DC Comics' Flashpoint Paradox. The long story short is that time travel in the DCU doesn't necessarily directly change events, but creates alternate timelines which may or may not eventually happen.

“You want to know the answer? Okay… you’ve watched The Flashpoint Paradox, my movie, right? In the DC Universe in the comics, there’s this thing where– it’s a little different than the Back to The Future thing where you can go back in time and change your threads and stuff, but in DC, when you go back in time you create this kind of ‘Time Boom’ kind of thing where lots of things change.

“Okay, so let me just tell you this. Again… I don’t know if this is Zack’s thinking, but this is mine: what if that isn’t a dream sequence? What if what you saw was a Time Boom, a latent memory from the future when Flash comes back? If you look at the cut, he doesn’t go to sleep! He’s waiting for the [Lexcorp file decryption] and suddenly this [Knightmare sequence] comes in, and he’s jogged out of it seeing his own death. And what does he see? He sees Flash. And if you’re a DC fan, you know what’s happening. You know that Flash going back in time, that memory is now coming back to him… mind you, it’s jumbled.”

Obviously, the Batman Knightmare sequence may not directly happen in the DCCU, but something along the lines (i.e. Darkseid) will.

(via ScreenRant)

"Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is directed by Zack Snyder starring Ben Affleck as Batman, Henry Cavill as Superman, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, Amy Adams as Lois Lane, Laurence Fishburne as Perry White, Diane Lane as Martha Kent, Jeremy Irons as Alfred, Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, Ray Fisher as Cyborg with Callan Mulvey, Holly Hunter as Senator Finch and Tao Okamoto as Mercy Graves.

Synopsis:

Fearing the actions of a god-like Super Hero left unchecked, Gotham City’s own formidable, forceful vigilante takes on Metropolis’s most revered, modern-day savior, while the world wrestles with what sort of hero it really needs. And with Batman and Superman at war with one another, a new threat quickly arises, putting mankind in greater danger than it’s ever known before.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/batman-vs-superman-darkseid-knightmare-said-not-be-dream
 
Batman Vs Superman: What Marvel Can Learn From DC
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Batman vs Superman


As it enters its third week in cinemas, ‘Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice’ continues to be one of the more divisive superhero movies ever. It might even be the most divisive movie of 2016. While the film had numerous problems, including throwing casual fans at the deep end of DC Comics’ continuity and a number of narrative conveniences done to progress the story, it was certainly ambitious, and Marvel Studios could learn a thing or two from said ambition.

That’s not to say Marvel has to go “dark and gritty.” The company has R-rated Netflix series like Daredevil and Jessica Jones that show a different side of the comic book-influenced material. Still, competition only helps the superhero genre improve itself, so here are a couple of things Marvel Studios can learn from DC.


Heavy Themes
Say what you will about ‘Batman vs Superman’ or Man of Steel, but both films weren’t afraid to use the “Last Son of Krypton” as a messiah allegory. While it was clunky and messy at times, it’s still deeper than any of the themes the Marvel movies have taken, which is odd considering that the company has an actual God of Thunder as a film property.


To be fair, Captain America: Civil War is set to handle more political issues, which technically started with its predecessor, The Winter Soldier. That being said, it would be nice to see the other Marvel films, particularly Thor: Ragnarok, handle some more interesting themes aside from “heroes are good” and “villains are bad.”

Kill The Heroes
If there are any serious complaints about Marvel films, it’s that they have constantly teased the death of a beloved character, tugging at the heartstrings of fans, before revealing that he or she is just fine. Loki seemingly died in Thor: The Dark World, though most comic book fans knew better; Groot almost met his end in Guardians of the Galaxy; and Phil Coulson, who died in the Avengers movie, a death fans actually cared about, was brought back in Agents of SHIELD through some sort of contrivance.

While Superman’s death might not be permanent, it was still a gutsy move to end the film with it, as very few superhero films have killed their lead characters. Comic book fans might know he’ll be back for Justice League, but a more casual viewer might actually believe he is dead and go crazy for his eventual return.

Dastardly Villains
Jesse Eisenberg’s portrayal of Lex Luthor was heavily criticized and reviled by many, but the character proved to be a solid threat to our heroes. He was constantly one step ahead of the protagonists and barely got what he deserved in the end, truly earning the hatred of the audience.

Aside from Loki and maybe Ultron, the Marvel films haven’t had any compelling villains. Each villain in the Iron Man films were just evil businessmen in suits, and even the energetic Guardians of the Galaxy film had a weak antagonist who simply wanted to rule the world. At least Loki and Lex had character traits and motivations.

This is something Marvel desperately needs to work on in its films. While the company’s Netflix shows have had very good villains like “The Kingpin” Wilson Fisk and Killgrave, the movies really only have Loki. The film version of Lex Luthor might have been too odd and poorly written to some, but he wasn’t just a means to an end, like most antagonists in the Marvel films; for better or worse he was an actual character.

Captain America: Civil War comes to cinemas on May 3. On the DC side, an R-rated “Ultimate Edition” of ‘Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice’ will be getting a blu-ray release later this year, with plenty of new footage.

http://www.thebitbag.com/batman-vs-superman-marvel-can-learn-dc/144771
 
Never bring up Groot with deaths. If you know his character then you know he will be fine. That was accurate. Same with Loki. He just can't be trusted at all. Quicksilver was not around long enough to give a shit. Coulson I do agree with. And if someone thinks that Superman is actually dead then they are 3 years old. Comics don't even follow the same rules of death so why should the movies with most of the heroes.
 
parts of your statement just repeat what I said already...yes supervillains were created for better battles, yes comicbook stories require a higher suspension of disbelief that the usual work of fiction and yes people have other issues with the story which is why theres much grumbling.

Your explanation for why he missed his mother sounds reasonable if you never saw the first movie or don't know supermans history. In MOS we see a young clark overwhelmed by his senses and the world around him he learned how to control his abilities by focusing on his mother's voice.



Clark: The world's too big mom.
Martha: Then make it small. Focus on my voice...


One could assume that when he watched his father die he didn't just see it he heard the elevated heartbeat and grasps of pain as the tornado ripped his father apart. the ONLY reason Pa died is because he stopped Clark from saving him. You think he would let that happen again? Ma and Pa Kent were Clarks ONLY touchstones to his humanity long before Lois showed up so its reasonable to assume he would be acutely sensitive to his only surviving parent.

If youre a fan of this treatment of super then you buy into this so (to me) it seems a very large stretch that superman would lose focus of the first person who taught him how to do it. And its more a convenience for the story than an organic flow of how the story flows. People buy into suspension of disbelief up to a certain point even in comic book stories. The myth says that superman can hear clouds scrape each other in the sky. he hear lois's indiscriminate banging under water over the cacophony of the sounds of battle with DD.

I believe a man can fly
I believe kryptonite makes him weak
I don't believe he wouldn't recognize the sounds of his mother in distress.


I don't know much about the Superman mythos, but this introduces an interesting situation; who is more important to Superman, Lois or his mother? A villain should put him in a situation where he could only save one or the other, similar to how the Joker did Batman in TDK.



WB continues to fuck it up. Why not push Wonder Woman back to August. I know that Transformers 5 is a behemoth, but Bad Boys is no slouch. Plus the next weekend you have Tom Cruise's The Mummy reboot and the World War Z sequel. Oh and the weekend before..... Pirates of the Caribbean. All this shit is making money.... Man I would have pulled a Fox and moved this bitch to February or March.

This is all the Shit coming in June...

FRIDAY, MAY 26
FRIDAY, JUNE 2
FRIDAY, JUNE 9 SEE ALL
FRIDAY, JUNE 16 SEE ALL
FRIDAY, JUNE 23 SEE ALL
FRIDAY, JUNE 30 SEE ALL
http://www.movieinsider.com/movies/june/2017

Shit! I didn't know an Uncharted movie was coming out!
 
Thy only way these movies get better is that DC separate themselves from WB control wise.

The fact that a WB executive is the head of the DC entertainment says a lot.

They need to take the example of Lucas Flims and Marvel.
Disney and stuidos act as partners and allows them the creative room to operate with minimal interface.
 
I don't know much about the Superman mythos, but this introduces an interesting situation; who is more important to Superman, Lois or his mother? A villain should put him in a situation where he could only save one or the other, similar to how the Joker did Batman in TDK.


THANK YOU!!!! this scene PROVES why the scene in BvS where lex has martha kidnapped RANG FALSE!!!


But if they did that the fans would just gripe that superman is ripping off dark knight...
 
THANK YOU!!!! this scene PROVES why the scene in BvS where lex has martha kidnapped RANG FALSE!!!


But if they did that the fans would just gripe that superman is ripping off dark knight...

I can't say it rang false. In BvS, he had no idea what Lex was up to. In MOS, he knew Zod and his crew were looking for the codex, so it only made sense they would go to his mother's house.

And ripping off TDK is probably what is hurting Superman as a character, MOS, and the whole Justice League set up. That franchise was so successful and impactful that the suits thought it was what the audience wanted from all of the DC films. Keep in mind that Christopher Nolan was a producer of MOS and BvS. I personally like the darker tone, heavier themes, and the more conflicted Superman but it's readily obvious that audiences and critics in general aren't as enthused about them.
 
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