Official STAR WARS:THE FORCE AWAKENS discussion thread

Finn always wanted to run unless he didn't have a choice.
when Rey was captured Finn chose to come back for her, he could have left on the freighter to the outer rim

Rey saved Finn on Jakku. Rey saved Finn on Hans freighter from those monsters. Han saved Finn. Rey saved Finn at the end.
while Rey was knocked out after being thrown into a tree- Finn protected her

Luke lost a hand to a Sith Lord. He returned and defeated said Sith Lord.
you're being ridiculous- did those 2 events happen in the same movie?
 
Finn was comic relief. Finn and BB8 were this films C3PO and R2

He carried a plan, similar to R2 in A New Hope.
yet r2 is a hero and the brotha is a coon??

Lazy writing got them in the facility.
lazy writing got them on the planet...lazy writing created the death star 3.0 and lazy writing created whole scenes that aren't just reminiscent of ep4 but repeated them almost verbatim.

Han took out Vader in A New Hope giving Luke a chance to take the shot at the Death Star. Han was quick to shoot Greedo and a bunch of stormtroopers when they left Mos Eisley. Han chased a bunch of stormtroopers IN the Death Star. Finn always wanted to run unless he didn't have a choice.
are you saying han had a choice in all those things?? Hans bravery was out of panic and adrenalin much like finn's but no one calling han stupid for it. And han came back to help luke out of guilt not bravery and shot vader when he was concentrating on luke not in a straight up dog fight..its the equivalent of shooting someone in the back.

Half way trolling, halfway true. Jar Jar DID end the film awake during celebrations. I'm sure he got some female Gungan ass that night too. Finn got a kiss on the forehead, while in a coma.
naw thats just pure trolling:rolleyes2:
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Rey saved Finn on Jakku. Rey saved Finn on Hans freighter from those monsters. Han saved Finn. Rey saved Finn at the end.

When you're being saved more than you're saving others, yes, you're a fucking joke.
han saved luke on the death star twice, r2d2 saved luke and han in ANH...han saved luke on hoth in ESB and r2 saved luke (by having his lighthsaber) when he got captured by jabba in ROTJ...lot a people saving luke's ass across 3 flicks but somehow he's no joke.

Luke lost a hand to a Sith Lord. He returned and defeated said Sith Lord.

Finn lost a fight to a stormtrooper wieldimng a riot baton, while Finn held a lightsaber. Han saved him.
Finn lost a fight, and got his back sliced but a Sith in training, and is saved when Rey whoops Kylo Ren.
finn never backed down when he had an opportunity to run and save his own ass..much like han in the OT but I guess that doesn't count.

He's not a coon because he sucks. His character was written like a runaway slave in space. Escaping from Slavery, running from the south (First Order), being given a name by Poe...(Good thing his name wasn't TBY2187, otherwise, he'd been called TOBY), drinking pig water on some Jim Crow shit, getting friend zoned immediately by Rey, being Comic relief.......ending up in a coma, instead of on his feet celebrating the victory.

They completely pulled a bait and switch. Instead of getting a bad ass Jedi like character, we got a BS character that was written with damn near every trope Hollywood could think of thrown in.
Are you kiddin me?? the mark of a hero is a person who takes their life in their own hands..initiates and takes charge of their destiny.
Finn broke his conditioning willingly, devised a plan of escape on his own, initiated a deal with someone who had a skill he lacked to complete his escape..just because poe gave him a nickname thats more friendly sounding than a designation doesn't denote ownership anymore than your friends giving you a nickname. Excuse him for drinking the first water he saw after walking thru the hot ass desert with no money. And I guess you thought he should have had rey sucking his dick after meeting in the first five minutes..Luke got two kisses from leia that turned out to be his fucking SISTER and han didn't get action until the second flick...but the brotha shouldn't have to wait that long huh:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Finn did more in the first 30 minutes of TFA than Django did in 2 hours of his flick and black people LOVE that movie..
we first see him as a broken slave who had to be bought out of slavery
given tacit permission and cover to kill cacs
be given cloths and dignity to ride a horse
was offered the plan to save his woman rather than he make a deal with the cac
and only when the white man sacrifices himself after giving django all that shit does he actually become a self activated man in the last 20 minutes. if you have a problem with finn in this film then you must fucking HATE django unchained.

And a runaway slave is no coward..thats an insult to the REAL people who were in a ungodly fucked up situation and resolved to get out of it by any means necessary.

Ran away From the subscriber, living on the Kentucky river, near the mouth of Jessamine, a likely Negro fellow about five feet ten inches high, well made about twenty three years of age, called BURGES by name, reads and writes a tolerable good hand, and is expected to write himself a pass, has rather a down look when spoken to: took a small yellow bay mare, and new Dutch blanket with him, and perhaps will try to pass for a free man. Whosoever takes up said Negro and delivers him to me, or secures him to that I may get him, shall receive ten dollars reward. WILLIAM LEWIS
Source: Kentucky Gazette, 16 January 1796


Thats someone with a fucking plan who took charge of his life..thats no dishonorable coward..so in respect to OUR ancestors..drop that runaway slave shit.
 
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when Rey was captured Finn chose to come back for her, he could have left on the freighter to the outer rim
He chose to go after her because she was a white girl.
while Rey was knocked out after being thrown into a tree- Finn protected her
Finn was more so protecting HIMSELF. He had no choice but to face Kylo Ren.
you're being ridiculous- did those 2 events happen in the same movie?
Yes different movies. Luke DID fly to Bespin to save his friends and knowingly face Vader, as Yoda told him not to. Luke knew he what he was going to face, and the possibility of failure, from what Yoda said, and yes, he lost a hand, but he still flew to Bespin. He wasn't afraid.
 
The film was a remake/update of A New Hope. I certainly hope you understand this. As with most remakes and updates of previous films, they definitely add in a few other items.
Was he an exact copy of C3PO and R2? No, however, thematically, he was.
Finn was not an observer in this movie. Regardless of how much you dislike him, he is the catalyst for this story. Your comparison of him and the droids fail in this regard.

C3Po always wanted to avoid trouble, was the coward of the bunch who just found himself being in heroic moment almost by accident.
choosing to not kill innocents when you know it might get YOU killed is not cowardice. Breaking out Poe is not cowardice. Choosing to save Rey by running into battle is not cowardice. Fighting Kylo with a lightsaber is not cowardice, nor the results of bumbling serendipity. Your comparison is dead wrong.

Brainwashing sessions, dead stormtroopers? Did those scenes add to the overall theme of the film? How exactly did Finn, breaking his programming in the beginning of the film effect the end, when he was in a fucking coma?

Are you joking? This is like questioning the significance of Vader because he was tumbling off into space at the end of episode 4, or Luke because he lost a hand in 5, or because Han was a tv dinner at the end of the same movie. Are you being obstinate or are you really this dishonest?

Your recollection of the movie is faulty. Finn LED the rescue/sad mission, even if he lied about it. Leia appointed him the mission command leader. That's a fact. He didn't have a few kills, he had more thpan anyone else in this movie. He lost only 2 fights, and has more on screen lightsaber kills than Luke Skywalker. Without Finn's kills Poe doesn't go free, bb8 never reaches the resistance, Rey is never discovered, Luke us found by the first order, etc.

You keep saying Finn is inconsequential, but without adding anything to the movie, you cannot present how it could advance without his influence.

Your dislike for Finn is a matter of personal choice rather than an accurate critique of this movie.
 
yall going hard on finn lol. hard track to the top.....true he has the most flaws out of the heroes right now. can tell he gonna be a strong character. can tell the writers are setting it up that way........i hope,if not i'm gonna be fiyah hot pissed....lol
 
i personally think that when people realized that finn was not going to be a force wielding jedi in this film, they wrote him off. There is nothing to say he can't become one later, but you don't have to be a jedi to be a star. Han Solo was a bigger star in the movies that Luke was, and the film was all about Luke and his family. Finn was a very good character and is a hero, following in Solo's footsteps if you look at it from that perspective
 
I knew I forgot to add something, yes, he was even a SPACE JANITOR. WTF!!
Okay, now you all are just being plain stupid. Droids clean up shit on imperial and now first order installations. Stormtroopers guard and defend their posts. Finn being assigned to sanitation only makes him a janitor to selfhating uninformed closedminded jackasses.
 
Cats caping HARD for Finn!

Look, if you like Finn, cool. More power to you.

I was immensely disappointed in his character, due to the tropes the writers added in this film concerning him. All the marketing for this film showed us a Jedi like bad ass dude, yet the movie gave us a completely different character.

That shit is unforgivable. They knew what they were doing. They were getting People of Color excited about this shit and put him in there front and center, only to pull the bait and switch.

Cats making excuses upon excuses for why they felt he was "central" to the story.....yet, dude wasn't even conscious at the end of the movie.

Neo was in a coma in the second Matrix because they left it as a cliffhanger. Here, Finn was asleep for the last 10 or so minutes of film. Honestly, if he doesn't return (he will since he's signed for the sequels) no one on the resistance would miss him.
 
Cats caping HARD for Finn!

Look, if you like Finn, cool. More power to you.

I was immensely disappointed in his character, due to the tropes the writers added in this film concerning him. All the marketing for this film showed us a Jedi like bad ass dude, yet the movie gave us a completely different character.

That shit is unforgivable. They knew what they were doing. They were getting People of Color excited about this shit and put him in there front and center, only to pull the bait and switch.

Cats making excuses upon excuses for why they felt he was "central" to the story.....yet, dude wasn't even conscious at the end of the movie.

Neo was in a coma in the second Matrix because they left it as a cliffhanger. Here, Finn was asleep for the last 10 or so minutes of film. Honestly, if he doesn't return (he will since he's signed for the sequels) no one on the resistance would miss him.
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he isn't trolling...

a lot of geek brothas got those problems with the flick
I'm not even a big Star Wars geek like that, but man, watching that film, the things I posted earlier just stuck out to me. Couldn't ignore it, as much as I wanted to like Finn going in with the impression that he would a Jedi in training.
 
Fin was absolutely necessary in the movie. R2 isn't fighting dark jedi or shooting down tie fighters....ever. He straight up was looking like Cuba Gooden from the 90's in the first act of the movie though...lol
 
I would agree with your assessment but the opening crawl made go uhhh...

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS
Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.

With the support of the REPUBLIC, General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE. She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy.

Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….


1. every line in the crawl pertains to luke
2. that gain his help in restoring peace to the galaxy line makes his presence important to both sides of the conflict.

the new hope/only hope referred to the fact that obi-wan the last trained official jedi in the galaxy..Luke was THEIR new/only hope.

I am seeing it as a parallel to Obiwan being Leia's only hope in ANH. (the message left in R2D2)
 
Cats caping HARD for Finn!

Look, if you like Finn, cool. More power to you.

I was immensely disappointed in his character, due to the tropes the writers added in this film concerning him. All the marketing for this film showed us a Jedi like bad ass dude, yet the movie gave us a completely different character.

That shit is unforgivable. They knew what they were doing. They were getting People of Color excited about this shit and put him in there front and center, only to pull the bait and switch.

Cats making excuses upon excuses for why they felt he was "central" to the story.....yet, dude wasn't even conscious at the end of the movie.

Neo was in a coma in the second Matrix because they left it as a cliffhanger. Here, Finn was asleep for the last 10 or so minutes of film. Honestly, if he doesn't return (he will since he's signed for the sequels) no one on the resistance would miss him.
I find your lack of comprehension disturbing. One does not have to even be alive at the end to have been central to a story. Why don't you know this? And NONE of the marketing showed Finn as a Jedi. You can't post one fact to refute anything I've pointed out (and I am a professional writer!) about this story, from Finn's body count to his being the movie's central character, but you STILL find false faults with it.

Face it, you wanted Finn to be Jesus, instead you got Batman from the Dark Knight rises, and that just aint good enough for you.
 
And NONE of the marketing showed Finn as a Jedi.

OK now you're just refusing to acknowledge the lightsaber heavy marketing Disney did with Finn at the central part of their campaign. Posters and trailers, all over social media and TV which marketed Finn as a lightsaber user...and not some dude who was holding the lightsaber for the Star of the film.

Like I said, the movie didn't end with Finn as the last scene in the film, he was in a coma and we still had about five/ten minutes of Rey flying to find Luke.

Rey was central to the story. Finn wasn't. Episode VIII wouldn't make sense if Rey was left out. Think about that. This is HER story. Finn is just along for the ride.

If Boyega was dropped from the sequel, they would drop Finn from the story. They wouldn't replace him like they did Terrence Howard in Iron Man. He's not that important to the story. It would continue without much issue. He's more Captain Panaka than Han Solo in that regard.

If you disagree with that, you're playing yourself.
 
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He chose to go after her because she was a white girl.

Finn was more so protecting HIMSELF. He had no choice but to face Kylo Ren.

Yes different movies. Luke DID fly to Bespin to save his friends and knowingly face Vader, as Yoda told him not to. Luke knew he what he was going to face, and the possibility of failure, from what Yoda said, and yes, he lost a hand, but he still flew to Bespin. He wasn't afraid.
of course finn was went after her because she was white..remember how he chose her over the sista in the film..and that 3 breasted asian chick..how about the hispanic chick he could have fucked on the death star 3.0...yeah he only did anything because rey was white thats the ONLY reason.

And finn was more so protecting himself...hmm what was han doing when he charged those stormtroopers on the death star??

And when finn grabbed the lightsaber and stood his ground against a stormtrooper and lost just like luke lost but lukes a hero and finns a coon

do these look like the face of someone whose afraid??
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meanwhile heres the face of a hero
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he isn't trolling...

a lot of geek brothas got those problems with the flick
he is..when the only you can come up with in reply to genuine heroics finn showed in saving rey is: He chose to go after her because she was a white girl.
THATS pure trolling. As if rey wasnt the ONLY girl in the whole damn movie:rolleyes2::rolleyes2:


I'm not even a big Star Wars geek like that, but man, watching that film, the things I posted earlier just stuck out to me. Couldn't ignore it, as much as I wanted to like Finn going in with the impression that he would a Jedi in training.

either your trolling or your conditioning is showing badly

white man doing something = good
black man doing the exact same thing = bad or not good enough.

the context is white supremacy/racism:smh::smh::smh:
 
OK now you're just refusing to acknowledge the lightsaber heavy marketing Disney did with Finn at the central part of their campaign. Posters and trailers, all over social media and TV which marketed Finn as a lightsaber user...and not some dude who was holding the lightsaber for the Star of the film.

Like I said, the movie didn't end with Finn as the last scene in the film, he was in a coma and we still had about five/ten minutes of Rey flying to find Luke.

Rey was central to the story. Finn wasn't. Episode VIII wouldn't make sense if Rey was left out. Think about that. This is HER story. Finn is just along for the ride. If Finn wasn't in the sequel, the story would continue without much issue. He's more Captain Panaka than Han Solo in that regard.

If you disagree with that, you're playing yourself.
me: published author by Warner/Aspect books uncredited contrbuting writer on 2 tv shows

you: can't recognize the difference between central character and important character.

I try to inform and educate on this forum, but some cats are beyond help.

You have completely misunderstood this movie, and prefer to look like a dumbass rather than receive help.

Do. You.
 
me: published author by Warner/Aspect books uncredited contrbuting writer on 2 tv shows

you: can't recognize the difference between central character and important character.

I try to inform and educate on this forum, but some cats are beyond help.

You have completely misunderstood this movie, and prefer to look like a dumbass rather than receive help.

Do. You.
tellin yall he's trolling or willfully ignorant..:smh::rolleyes::smh:
 
me: published author by Warner/Aspect books uncredited contrbuting writer on 2 tv shows

you: can't recognize the difference between central character and important character.

I try to inform and educate on this forum, but some cats are beyond help.

You have completely misunderstood this movie, and prefer to look like a dumbass rather than receive help.

Do. You.
Rey is Robert Downey Jr. Finn isn't even Terrence Howard. He's not important enough of a character to warrant a recast if Boyega left. He's straight Captain Typho, who took over for Captain Panaka.
 
I'm not even a big Star Wars geek like that, but man, watching that film, the things I posted earlier just stuck out to me. Couldn't ignore it, as much as I wanted to like Finn going in with the impression that he would a Jedi in training.
i agree, man. They've been wanting to make a film about star wars for years, but what was more important, was to trick blacks about a character in the film and show some good ol racism. Everything else was back story because the writers woke up every day wondering how could they degrade the black character. Star Wars is just a front for some real KKK/white supremacist propaganda.
Plus on the Falcon, the white woman entered first and he had to go in the back. What's up with that? RACISM.
Then when he wanted to go to the Outer Realm, he had to negotiate. They wouldn't have done that for the white man. BULLSHIT
Don't get me started on Lupita's joint. The other actors that had to play characters that weren't real got bigger people. Why she gotta be small and shit? Plus her eyesight was fucked up. I bet a white person would have 20/20 vision. That was some bullshit.
Then he ran and drank the first tub of water. What? No self respecting black man that's been in the desert all day would do that. We would wait to try score some Aquafina with no money until we die of thirst. That's more logical.
 
I find your lack of comprehension disturbing. One does not have to even be alive at the end to have been central to a story. Why don't you know this? And NONE of the marketing showed Finn as a Jedi. You can't post one fact to refute anything I've pointed out (and I am a professional writer!) about this story, from Finn's body count to his being the movie's central character, but you STILL find false faults with it.

Face it, you wanted Finn to be Jesus, instead you got Batman from the Dark Knight rises, and that just aint good enough for you.

Boogie, come on now. :lol:
 
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who are the mothers?

Anakin's mother was who, you see?

Siblings they are, Finn and Rey... Humm, you will see.

Mother, who is not the question... Yes Skywalks, they are

The force is strong in young Rey, train she must.
The force is stronger in Finn, train he will
Will take root, the force from opposite ends
 
An opposing figure fighting against an evil threat is captured, however, just before they are, they put vital information the evil threat is searching for into a droid and set the droid off onto a desert planet.

The droid is found by someone living in said desert planet, someone who's lost and waiting for their life to be more than it currently is. This person is a pilot and understands the droid and bonds with it.

Said person escaped the clutches of the evil threat aboard the Millenium Falcon and takes the droid and completes it's intended mission. Along the way, they fight against time and a deadly weapon that can destroy planets, but has one vulnerable spot.

Somewhere along the way, an old guy who's past adventures are a thing of legend Dies/sacrifices himself at the hands of the evil dude carrying a red laser sword.

Finally, the one who found the droid on the desert planet finds themselves and helps defeat the evil threat, bybusing the Force, and they have taken their first step into a larger world.

Did I just describe A New Hope or The Force Awakens?
 
SWTFA Concept Art

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Fire & Ice Concept (Jan. 2013)
To symbolize the inner conflict of Kylo Ren/Ben Solo (known only as Jedi Killer at this point), and the two sides of the Force he represented, the antagonist was initially going to have separate red and blue beams, per artist Erik Tiemens. At one point during the concept phase, when Michael Arndt was still involved as screenwriter, Ren was given this unique double-bladed lightsaber, which eventually gave way to his crossguard weapon.



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Alt. Kira (Jan. 2013)
At the outset, our heroine Rey had a different name (Kira) but the same plucky spirit, captured here in this “guided imagery” sketch from the conceptual phase.


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Trooper G (March 2013)
Elements of this cloaked trooper would be repurposed with an early Kylo Ren design to create the signature look of Captain Phasma. The single eye slot recalls the Cylons from Battlestar Galactica.


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Imperial Rally (April 2013)
“I just took Olympic Third Reich photos, put them on my computer screen, modeled them in 3D, and put in little TIE fighters instead of guys. And I switched the flag logo to the Empire logo,” says artist Yanick Dusseault of this image created during the concept phase. J.J. Abrams closely matched this visual for the scene when General Hux addresses the First Order troops on Starkiller Base shortly before the attack on the Hosnian System

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Rally Site Troops View (March 2014)
J.J. Abrams stuck close to Kevin Jenkins’s pre-production rendering of the First Order forces mustered at Starkiller Base.


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TIE Loading Wide
James Clyne conceived this look at the hangar of Hux and Ren’s flagship Star Destroyer, Finalizer. Although the design of Ren’s shuttle became more streamlined, the stacked TIEs were virtually unchanged in the final cut.

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Jedi Killer in Snow
This dramatic image by Doug Chiang, used as the book’s cover, perfectly captures the feel of Kylo Ren, referred to as Jedi Killer in early drafts.


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“Jedi Killer New Concept”

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Rey with bike

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I REALLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THIS CHARACTER MORE SHINE IN EP7! Maybe he will get it in ep8. In TFA, he was gonna take Fin to the outer rim. But imagine what he could have been as a bad guy?

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Captain Ithano




THE FORCE GHOST OF ANAKIN SKYWALKER WAS PROPOSED TO BE IN THE FORCE AWAKENS!


I recently picked up the Art Of Star Wars The Force Awakens book, and in it concept artist Iain Mccaig explains how he proposed the idea of having the Force Ghost of Anakin Skywalker appear in Episode VII! I think that this idea may still be forming and we may actually see this come true in Episode 8. Rumors have been circulating over the last few months that the stunt team that worked on Force Awakens is also training Hayden Christensen who portrayed Anakin Skywalker in the prequels. I have taken some screenshots of the Anakin ghost pages from the book, check them out:

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This quote is very interesting to me as i believe it is insinuating that Luke communs with the force ghost of Anakin. I think he actually did in the time he spent on that island before Rey finds him, it would make sense.

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Now this is the more interesting information on the concept of Anakin’s force ghost. It seems as if when Anakin died, he did not fully go completely light in the force. They explain how Anakin would flow back and forth between both Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. I am speculating that in Episode 8, we will see Anakin talking to Kylo Ren as Darth Vader, and talking to Rey as Anakin Skywalker. This concept is to good not to use. I am sure in the coming months we will find out if Hayden truly has been cast in Episode VIII, but until that time, speculate away! You can pick up the book on Amazon.Com or wherever books are sold!
 
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