Official STAR WARS:THE FORCE AWAKENS discussion thread

[lukas james]

True enough after reading it again he does seem to suggest that, if for instance, giraffes stretched their necks to reach higher branches that the successive generation would somehow have marketedly longer necks. That's not the example he used but it employs the same argumentative logic... and a murry kryeatmas to you

That is the general idea, but the giraffe example you're using is a significant physical development and would require multiple generations of progression. So that's more the standard definition of evolution and Darwinism plays a role in that as well. Epigenetic changes can be measured in as little as a single subject's lifespan or the difference between the original and the next immediate generation.

 

[lazarus]

Then get whooped. And he get saved.

well he's not a jedi

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

im assuming that this is correct and that we are goung to see the real finn. in part 2. cause in this movie he was kinda useless.

Finn: killed more stormtroopers than a deathstar explosion, more than anyone else in that flick . He used previously unknown weapons with intuitive high skill, displayed lightsaber weapons forms competently having never seen one before, broke Poe out of a First Order stronghold singlehandedly, gave the rebellion the position, inside layout, weak spots of the starkiller then took them on a guided tour of it, fought and further wounded a much stronger opponent with a lightsaber ...and you call that useless? The entire movie revolved around Finn, without him the rebellion would've been deathstar dust. There isn't a more important character in TFA.

 

[geechiedan]

Finn: killed more stormtroopers than a deathstar explosion, more than anyone else in that flick . He used previously unknown weapons with intuitive high skill, displayed lightsaber weapons forms competently having never seen one before, broke Poe out of a First Order stronghold singlehandedly, gave the rebellion the position, inside layout, weak spots of the starkiller then took them on a guided tour of it, fought and further wounded a much stronger opponent with a lightsaber ...and you call that useless? The entire movie revolved around Finn, without him the rebellion would've been deathstar dust. There isn't a more important character in TFA.

total agreement!

I said before in the saga theres the war side and the jedi side...

The big difference between the OT and the PT (prequel trilogy) and The Force Awakens is that the OT didn't mention any "Balance to the Force" and how that effects the civil war. The Empire and Rebellion fighting was separate from Luke's personal development and involvement with Vader. They were two separate issues in the OT..we saw the war played out as Luke was having his adventure. Sure he used the force to target the ventilation shaft but Han (not a force sensitive) made that opportunity happen. In Revenge Of The Jedi, Luke's issues had really nothing to do with destroying the Death Star. And Leia didn't use any latent Force powers to make that happen either.

What was happening between the Jedi and the Sith was between THEM and had no real consequence for the larger Republic...that's why we kept running into people who didn't believe in the Force or scoffed at those who did. Han does it as well at the officer who got smart with Vader then Force choked. Hell even in TFA Rey and Finn thought it was a legend or myth which means none of that means shit to people in their real lives in the galaxy.

Lucas fucked up by placing that balance bullshit in the PT. And it seems like Abrams is going with that which is why there is so much strong focus on finding Luke because the galaxy depends on it rather than Leia trying to find her brother for personal reasons and Rey and Finn are drawn to her because that's how the Force is working BETWEEN THEM. But that shouldn't be pertinent to and should run parallel with the galactic issues between the Republic and First Order. Much like how the OT played out.

The prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force was eye-rolling bullshit when we first heard it in The Phantom Menace and its bullshit now.

 

[keone]

Finn: killed more stormtroopers than a deathstar explosion, more than anyone else in that flick . He used previously unknown weapons with intuitive high skill, displayed lightsaber weapons forms competently having never seen one before, broke Poe out of a First Order stronghold singlehandedly, gave the rebellion the position, inside layout, weak spots of the starkiller then took them on a guided tour of it, fought and further wounded a much stronger opponent with a lightsaber ...and you call that useless? The entire movie revolved around Finn, without him the rebellion would've been deathstar dust. There isn't a more important character in TFA.

useless maybe the wrong word. but they could have done without him and the movie would still go on. thats how i feel.

 

[EPDC]

Finn wasn't shit. Honestly, replace Finn with a sentient Protocol droid, and the movie would have more or less played the same way. Dudes only purpose was to help move along the stories of the other characters he came into contact with.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

useless maybe the wrong word. but they could have done without him and the movie would still go on. thats how i feel.

Dude...did you understand anything i wrote? Without Finn THERE IS NO MOVIE. no escape for Poe, Ren gets the map from bb8, they find Luke and kill him. Rey stays on Jakku waiting for the magic school bus to return, never to have her force abilities awakened. The Starkiller blows up the rebellion. Game over. Everything in that movie is a result of Finn's choices and actions. He is this movie's central figure.

 

[EPDC]

Dude...did you understand anything i wrote? Without Finn THERE IS NO MOVIE. no escape for Poe, Ren gets the map from bb8, they find Luke and kill him. Rey stays on Jakku waiting for the magic school bus to return, never to have her force abilities awakened. The Starkiller blows up the rebellion. Game over. Everything in that movie is a result of Finn's choices and actions. He is this movie's central figure.

Finn is the equivalent to the droids in A New Hope.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Finn wasn't shit. Honestly, replace Finn with a sentient Protocol droid, and the movie would have more or less played the same way. Dudes only purpose was to help move along the stories of the other characters he came into contact with.

See my prior response. Everything I wrote is factually accurate. If he is the movie's central figure then he is also the most important figure in the movie. You may not like him, but you can't honestly say he ain't shit.

 

[EPDC]

See my prior response. Everything I wrote is factually accurate. If he is the movie's central figure then he is also the most important figure in the movie. You may not like him, but you can't honestly say he ain't shit.

His character ain't shit. Like I said, dude was a flesh/blood protocol droid who could have easily been replaced by one in the film, and the movie wouldn't have skipped a beat.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Finn is the equivalent to the droids in A New Hope.

How many brainwashing sessions did the droids break out of? How many storm troopers did the droids kill? How many deathstars did they break into? How many lightsaber fights did they have? How many rescue missions did they lead? Either you aren't comprehending what you've seen or you got some issues to hash out.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

His character ain't shit. Like I said, dude was a flesh/blood protocol droid who could have easily been replaced by one in the film, and the movie wouldn't have skipped a beat.

I'm starting to question your movie I.Q. your statement is not just inaccurate, it displays an amazing lack of simple storytelling comprehension.

 

[bwb]

Wtf is this

To be honest, I'm a little scared to google this. Not sure if serious or not.

 

[keone]

See my prior response. Everything I wrote is factually accurate. If he is the movie's central figure then he is also the most important figure in the movie. You may not like him, but you can't honestly say he ain't shit.

again they could have done it without him. thats my opinion.
im just waiting for the sequel and see where is story goes.

 

[geechiedan]

useless maybe the wrong word. but they could have done without him and the movie would still go on. thats how i feel.

would you rather he had Poe's part in this flick?? get captured, tortured and doesn't show up again until the last 20 minutes..THAT character was useless...shit the old dude could have just given the chip to BB-8 straight out and then the old dude would have been captured, tortured and divulge the droid has it. The movie STILL would have gone on the same way...Poe part was TRULY useless..you could argue they just wanted to stick a young white male in there so that all the hero parts aren't just a woman and a black.

 

[keone]

His character ain't shit. Like I said, dude was a flesh/blood protocol droid who could have easily been replaced by one in the film, and the movie wouldn't have skipped a beat.

exactly

 

[ViCiouS]

To be honest, I'm a little scared to google this. Not sure if serious or not.

its real and should be good

 

[keone]

would you rather he had Poe's part in this flick?? get captured, tortured and doesn't show up again until the last 20 minutes..THAT character was useless...shit the old dude could have just given the chip to BB-8 straight out and then the old dude would have been captured, tortured and divulge the droid has it. The movie STILL would have gone on the same way...Poe part was TRULY useless..you could argue they just wanted to stick a young white male in there so that all the hero parts are just a woman and a black.

like i said earlier useless was not the best word. but the movie could go on without him. i like what @ViCiouS said about the finn character

how so..I just broke down to you how Poe was useless...how he had literally NOTHING to contribute to the story whites so ever.

Now you or anyone break down how without Finn doing anything the story still goes on without a problem..


I'll wait....

they could have let han solo do what finn did in movie and it would go on.

 

[geechiedan]

like i said earlier useless was not the best word. but the movie could go on without him.

how so..I just broke down to you how Poe was useless...how he had literally NOTHING to contribute to the story whites so ever.

Now you or anyone break down how without Finn doing anything the story still goes on without a problem..


I'll wait....

 

[EPDC]

How many brainwashing sessions did the droids break out of? How many storm troopers did the droids kill? How many deathstars did they break into? How many lightsaber fights did they have? How many rescue missions did they lead? Either you aren't comprehending what you've seen or you got some issues to hash out.

The film was a remake/update of A New Hope. I certainly hope you understand this. As with most remakes and updates of previous films, they definitely add in a few other items.
Was he an exact copy of C3PO and R2? No, however, thematically, he was.

C3Po always wanted to avoid trouble, was the coward of the bunch who just found himself being in heroic moment almost by accident.

Brainwashing sessions, dead stormtroopers? Did those scenes add to the overall theme of the film? How exactly did Finn, breaking his programming in the beginning of the film effect the end, when he was in a fucking coma?

How exactly did the few stormtroopers Finn may have killed effect the end of the movie, when he was still in a fucking coma?

The droids were central to helping the oither heroes in the first film escape the Death Star. Finn did the opposite here, he "helped" them break into it, but he lied about his plan, remember, he had no clue when they got there. It was Han Solo flying the Falcon coming out of light speed on the planet that set off their mission.

Finn's lightsabers fights were cool for the few moments when he wasn't getting his ass kicked, which was every time.

Finn was a joke of a character. He was WORSE than Jar Jar. At least Jar Jar took out a battalion of droids and ended up a General at the end of Episode One. Finn was in a coma and didn't get a chance to say goodbye to the white girl he was crushing on, the one who put his ass in the friend zone immediately.

Dude's going to be either paralyzed or with a bunch of cybernetics in the sequel, even less than a man he was in this film. More droid. Which is what he more or less was in this remake like film.

 

[bwb]

Finn is the equivalent to the droids in A New Hope.

not sure how you can seriously think this.

The film was a remake/update of A New Hope. I certainly hope you understand this. As with most remakes and updates of previous films, they definitely add in a few other items.
Was he an exact copy of C3PO and R2? No, however, thematically, he was.

C3Po always wanted to avoid trouble, was the coward of the bunch who just found himself being in heroic moment almost by accident.

Brainwashing sessions, dead stormtroopers? Did those scenes add to the overall theme of the film? How exactly did Finn, breaking his programming in the beginning of the film effect the end, when he was in a fucking coma?

How exactly did the few stormtroopers Finn may have killed effect the end of the movie, when he was still in a fucking coma?

The droids were central to helping the oither heroes in the first film escape the Death Star. Finn did the opposite here, he "helped" them break into it, but he lied about his plan, remember, he had no clue when they got there. It was Han Solo flying the Falcon coming out of light speed on the planet that set off their mission.

Finn's lightsabers fights were cool for the few moments when he wasn't getting his ass kicked, which was every time.

Finn was a joke of a character. He was WORSE than Jar Jar. At least Jar Jar took out a battalion of droids and ended up a General at the end of Episode One. Finn was in a coma and didn't get a chance to say goodbye to the white girl he was crushing on, the one who put his ass in the friend zone immediately.

Dude's going to be either paralyzed or with a bunch of cybernetics in the sequel, even less than a man he was in this film. More droid. Which is what he more or less was in this remake like film.

good one... i thought you were serious for a while

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

like i said earlier useless was not the best word. but the movie could go on without him. i like what @ViCiouS said about the finn character

It could not have. The entire movie proceeded based on Finn's actions alone. This is not an opinion, this is a fact. You may not like Finn, but your continued assertion that the movie could have continued without him displays an amazing lack of understanding of storytelling strcture.

 

[EPDC]

not sure how you can seriously think this.




good one... i thought you were serious for a while

Thematically, he was. The droids helped move the story along in A New Hope.

Finn's character did the same here. Again, replace Finn with a sentient protocol droid, like an non assassin IG-88 model, and the story could have moved on with minimal changes.

And I was serious about Jar Jar, at least he was conscious and a General at the end of Phantom Menace.....Finn didn't even say bye to Rey....she carried his ass to the Falcon.

 

[Built4Life]

total agreement!

I said before in the saga theres the war side and the jedi side...

The big difference between the OT and the PT (prequel trilogy) and The Force Awakens is that the OT didn't mention any "Balance to the Force" and how that effects the civil war. The Empire and Rebellion fighting was separate from Luke's personal development and involvement with Vader. They were two separate issues in the OT..we saw the war played out as Luke was having his adventure. Sure he used the force to target the ventilation shaft but Han (not a force sensitive) made that opportunity happen. In Revenge Of The Jedi, Luke's issues had really nothing to do with destroying the Death Star. And Leia didn't use any latent Force powers to make that happen either.

What was happening between the Jedi and the Sith was between THEM and had no real consequence for the larger Republic...that's why we kept running into people who didn't believe in the Force or scoffed at those who did. Han does it as well at the officer who got smart with Vader then Force choked. Hell even in TFA Rey and Finn thought it was a legend or myth which means none of that means shit to people in their real lives in the galaxy.

Lucas fucked up by placing that balance bullshit in the PT. And it seems like Abrams is going with that which is why there is so much strong focus on finding Luke because the galaxy depends on it rather than Leia trying to find her brother for personal reasons and Rey and Finn are drawn to her because that's how the Force is working BETWEEN THEM. But that shouldn't be pertinent to and should run parallel with the galactic issues between the Republic and First Order. Much like how the OT played out.

The prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force was eye-rolling bullshit when we first heard it in The Phantom Menace and its bullshit now.

I am not sure the new trilogy is going to do this chosen one nonsense.

In ESB the emperor states that there is a disturbance in force. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi. So, when Snoke says to Kylo Ren that there is an awakening it seems to be along the same lines as stated in ESB.

Well.... I am hoping. In a way, the whole force stuff is full of prophesy. Obiwan waits for the right time for Luke. He sacrifices himself. That boy is our last hope. the title (ANH). You have to remember that ultimately the Force is magic so you are going to get prophesies etc. I just hated the chosen one shit and the virgin birth.

 

[keone]

It could not have. The entire movie proceeded based on Finn's actions alone. This is not an opinion, this is a fact. You may not like Finn, but your continued assertion that the movie could have continued without him displays an amazing lack of understanding of storytelling strcture.

bro you not the only that watches movies. there were a lot of people saying it. before i even watched the movie. and i didnt even know what they were talking about till i watched it. again you can say whatever you want but it wont change nothing.

 

[geechiedan]

The film was a remake/update of A New Hope. I certainly hope you understand this. As with most remakes and updates of previous films, they definitely add in a few other items.
Was he an exact copy of C3PO and R2? No, however, thematically, he was.

C3Po always wanted to avoid trouble, was the coward of the bunch who just found himself being in heroic moment almost by accident.

C3po wasn't herioc at all..r2 was as he was determined to carry out his mission from leia and he fixed the millenuim falcons hyperdrive system at the the last second. C3po was comic relief..laurel to r2's hardy in their dynamic.

Brainwashing sessions, dead stormtroopers? Did those scenes add to the overall theme of the film? How exactly did Finn, breaking his programming in the beginning of the film effect the end, when he was in a fucking coma? How exactly did the few stormtroopers Finn may have killed effect the end of the movie, when he was still in a fucking coma?

his plan destroyed the death star 3.0..in fact it was ONLY his plan as NO ONE ELSE had any solutions at all.

The droids were central to helping the oither heroes in the first film escape the Death Star. Finn did the opposite here, he "helped" them break into it, but he lied about his plan, remember, he had no clue when they got there. It was Han Solo flying the Falcon coming out of light speed on the planet that set off their mission.

han got them on the planet...finn got them IN the facility.

Finn's lightsabers fights were cool for the few moments when he wasn't getting his ass kicked, which was every time.

and han got captured and tortured and frozen and mount by vader and pretty much ran from every fight he got in..except for greedo whom he shot FIRST..

Finn was a joke of a character. He was WORSE than Jar Jar. At least Jar Jar took out a battalion of droids and ended up a General at the end of Episode One. Finn was in a coma and didn't get a chance to say goodbye to the white girl he was crushing on, the one who put his ass in the friend zone immediately.

worse than jar jar...now your just trolling

Dude's going to be either paralyzed or with a bunch of cybernetics in the sequel, even less than a man he was in this film. More droid. Which is what he more or less was in this remake like film.

han saves Luke...yet luke is still a hero

Rey saves finn and he's a joke

Luke lost a fight to a sith..yet still a hero

Finn lost a fight to a sith..biggest coon anyone ever saw..

double standard much??

 

[geechiedan]

I am not sure the new trilogy is going to do this chosen one nonsense.

In ESB the emperor states that there is a disturbance in force. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi. So, when Snoke says to Kylo Ren that there is an awakening it seems to be along the same lines as stated in ESB.

Well.... I am hoping. In a way, the whole force stuff is full of prophesy. Obiwan waits for the right time for Luke. He sacrifices himself. That boy is our last hope. the title (ANH). You have to remember that ultimately the Force is magic so you are going to get prophesies etc. I just hated the chosen one shit and the virgin birth.

I would agree with your assessment but the opening crawl made go uhhh...

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS
Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.

With the support of the REPUBLIC, General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE. She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy.

Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku, where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke’s whereabouts….

1. every line in the crawl pertains to luke
2. that gain his help in restoring peace to the galaxy line makes his presence important to both sides of the conflict.

the new hope/only hope referred to the fact that obi-wan the last trained official jedi in the galaxy..Luke was THEIR new/only hope.

 

[EPDC]

C3po wasn't herioc at all..r2 was as he was determined to carry out his mission from leia and he fixed the millenuim falcons hyperdrive system at the the last second. C3po was comic relief..laurel to r2's hardy in their dynamic.

Finn was comic relief. Finn and BB8 were this films C3PO and R2

his plan destroyed the death star 3.0..in fact it was ONLY his plan as NO ONE ELSE had any solutions at all.

He carried a plan, similar to R2 in A New Hope.

han got them on the planet...finn got them IN the facility.

Lazy writing got them in the facility.

and han got captured and tortured and frozen and mount by vader and pretty much ran from every fight he got in..except for greedo whom he shot FIRST..

Han took out Vader in A New Hope giving Luke a chance to take the shot at the Death Star. Han was quick to shoot Greedo and a bunch of stormtroopers when they left Mos Eisley. Han chased a bunch of stormtroopers IN the Death Star. Finn always wanted to run unless he didn't have a choice.

worse than jar jar...now your just trolling

Half way trolling, halfway true. Jar Jar DID end the film awake during celebrations. I'm sure he got some female Gungan ass that night too. Finn got a kiss on the forehead, while in a coma.

han saves Luke...yet luke is still a hero

Rey saved Finn on Jakku. Rey saved Finn on Hans freighter from those monsters. Han saved Finn. Rey saved Finn at the end.

Rey saves finn and he's a joke

When you're being saved more than you're saving others, yes, you're a fucking joke.

Luke lost a fight to a sith..yet still a hero

Luke lost a hand to a Sith Lord. He returned and defeated said Sith Lord.

Finn lost a fight to a sith..biggest coon anyone ever saw..

Finn lost a fight to a stormtrooper wieldimng a riot baton, while Finn held a lightsaber. Han saved him.
Finn lost a fight, and got his back sliced but a Sith in training, and is saved when Rey whoops Kylo Ren.

He's not a coon because he sucks. His character was written like a runaway slave in space. Escaping from Slavery, running from the south (First Order), being given a name by Poe...(Good thing his name wasn't TBY2187, otherwise, he'd been called TOBY), drinking pig water on some Jim Crow shit, getting friend zoned immediately by Rey, being Comic relief.......ending up in a coma, instead of on his feet celebrating the victory.

They completely pulled a bait and switch. Instead of getting a bad ass Jedi like character, we got a BS character that was written with damn near every trope Hollywood could think of thrown in.

 

[Pimpslap407]

Just got back from watching this and it was ok I'll give it a 6. Also does anyone else think Kylo looks like John Travolta when he removed his mask.

 

[bellsbreaker]

SPOILER ALERT


Finn & Rey are brother and sister
Both are Jedi
Luke is their father

I won't elaborate any further but let that sink into your noodle...

 

[Pimpslap407]

Finn was comic relief. Finn and BB8 were this films C3PO and R2

He carried a plan, similar to R2 in A New Hope.

Lazy writing got them in the facility.

Han took out Vader in A New Hope giving Luke a chance to take the shot at the Death Star. Han was quick to shoot Greedo and a bunch of stormtroopers when they left Mos Eisley. Han chased a bunch of stormtroopers IN the Death Star. Finn always wanted to run unless he didn't have a choice.

Half way trolling, halfway true. Jar Jar DID end the film awake during celebrations. I'm sure he got some female Gungan ass that night too. Finn got a kiss on the forehead, while in a coma.

Rey saved Finn on Jakku. Rey saved Finn on Hans freighter from those monsters. Han saved Finn. Rey saved Finn at the end.

When you're being saved more than you're saving others, yes, you're a fucking joke.

Luke lost a hand to a Sith Lord. He returned and defeated said Sith Lord.

Finn lost a fight to a stormtrooper wieldimng a riot baton, while Finn held a lightsaber. Han saved him.
Finn lost a fight, and got his back sliced but a Sith in training, and is saved when Rey whoops Kylo Ren.

He's not a coon because he sucks. His character was written like a runaway slave in space. Escaping from Slavery, running from the south (First Order), being given a name by Poe...(Good thing his name wasn't TBY2187, otherwise, he'd been called TOBY), drinking pig water on some Jim Crow shit, getting friend zoned immediately by Rey, being Comic relief.......ending up in a coma, instead of on his feet celebrating the victory.

They completely pulled a bait and switch. Instead of getting a bad ass Jedi like character, we got a BS character that was written with damn near every trope Hollywood could think of thrown in.

Damn bruh like that. I'm not going to lie when he said he worked sanitation (garbage man) I was like WTF!!

 

[EPDC]

Damn bruh like that. I'm not going to lie when he said he worked sanitation (garbage man) I was like WTF!!

I knew I forgot to add something, yes, he was even a SPACE JANITOR. WTF!!

 

[ViCiouS]

SPOILER ALERT


Finn & Rey are brother and sister
Both are Jedi
Luke is their father

I won't elaborate any further but let that sink into your noodle...

who are the mothers?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

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12 years a space slave
http://www.tariqradio.com/uploads/2/4/4/7/24470289/tariqradio111.mp3

Why are they using that Finn picture?

 

[EPDC]

Why are they using that Finn picture?

Because, they're pushing the image of him being an escaped slave. smh....12 Years a Stormtrooper