this coming from the guy who copied A New Hope TWICE and fucked up Star Trek into darkness
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this coming from the guy who copied A New Hope TWICE and fucked up Star Trek into darkness
did JJ Abrams also copy Kung Fu Panda??
Shifu trains a gifted pupil who turns out to be extremely powerful and evil.. and then.. has to train an orphaned kid to be an unsuspecting master. Just saying..
Like I said before I think we have already seen the mirroring of empire in this movie with the dialogue between Kylo and snook.
I believe they are done with ode's to past movies from here on out its gonna be new ground. I think next we will see a departure in training of rey and snook training kylo.
I hope so..
Shit was light. It's OK, but nothing really innovative nor to creative about it. It's a sequence of rehash. People were hyping it up too.
Alright, now I'm in Return of the Jedi, now I'm in fascist Germany, now I'm in Predator, and on . . .
Brotha went from Cuba Gooding to Kevin Hart towards the end.
Hopefully the next one got all those cameos out the way. And can move forward. Ultimately a letdown.
Not horrible but not impressive.
Alright, now I'm in Return of the Jedi, now I'm in fascist Germany, now I'm in Predator, and on . . .
Brotha went from Cuba Gooding to Kevin Hart towards the end.
Hopefully the next one got all those cameos out the way. And can move forward. Ultimately a letdown.
Not horrible but not impressive.
As I said earlier old heads know that when vader said he was lukes father we were like "he's lying!!" it didn't get confirmed until return of the jedi in this scene.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/21/10636442/star-wars-the-force-awakens-cameos-voice
A key scene finds Rey, the preternaturally gifted orphan who teams up with Han Solo, Chewbacca and ex-First Order solider Finn, stumbling upon a lightsaber locked in the basement of all-knowing Maz Kanata. When she goes to handle the mystical weapon, she is immediately flooded by memories and thoughts both her own and belonging to its original wielder, Luke Skywalker.
While these images are flashing by, a series of voices speak up. According to Entertainment Weekly, director J.J. Abrams revealed in an interview at the Writers' Guild of America this weekend that it was classic characters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda who fans heard in the scene. Original actor Frank Oz provided the disembodied sounds of Yoda, while Ewan McGregor and even Sir Alec Guinness were back as Obi-Wan.
An old voice clip of Guinness, who passed away in 2000, was repurposed to make it sound like the Jedi master was calling out to Rey specifically.
A key scene finds Rey, the preternaturally gifted orphan who teams up with Han Solo, Chewbacca and ex-First Order solider Finn, stumbling upon a lightsaber locked in the basement of all-knowing Maz Kanata. When she goes to handle the mystical weapon, she is immediately flooded by memories and thoughts both her own and belonging to its original wielder, Luke Skywalker.
While these images are flashing by, a series of voices speak up. According to Entertainment Weekly, director J.J. Abrams revealed in an interview at the Writers' Guild of America this weekend that it was classic characters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda who fans heard in the scene. Original actor Frank Oz provided the disembodied sounds of Yoda, while Ewan McGregor and even Sir Alec Guinness were back as Obi-Wan.
An old voice clip of Guinness, who passed away in 2000, was repurposed to make it sound like the Jedi master was calling out to Rey specifically.
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Supreme Leader Snoke Has Been Around For Ages...
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-biggest-differences-between-the-book-and-movie-v-1749329046
The 11 Biggest Differences Between the Book and Movie Versions of The Force Awakens
Filed to: STAR WARS
Many movie novelizations are surprisingly different than the actual movies. The original Star Wars had a book version that was weirdly different and came out months earlier. So it’s probably not surprising thatThe Force Awakens’ own novel is contains some surprising moments that aren’t in the film.
Suffice to say, there will be major spoilers throughout this post for The Force Awakens. Not seen the movie yet? You’re going to want to get out of here pretty sharpish!
Alan Dean Foster—who wrote the very first Star Wars novelization (although he was credited as George Lucas in its first edition)—returned to write the Force Awakens novel. This book is already available as an e-book, with no physical release until January, for fear of spoilers.
We devoured the Force Awakens novel over the weekend, and noticed there were some pretty surprising differences. Here’s some of the biggest changes between the book (which was presumably written from a near-final draft of the script, as is the case with many movie novelizations) and the final movie.
Supreme Leader Snoke Has Been Around For Ages
Supreme Leader Snoke is a whacking great mystery throughout The Force Awakens. Who is he? Where did he come from? Is he a Sith? Is he really that big, or is he holocommunicating with some major compensation issues?
The novelization doesn’t answer all of those questions, but it gives some insight into Snoke by revealing that he’s been working behind the scenes for quite some time, even during the Original Trilogy. In one of their several hologram chit chats, Snoke reveals to Kylo Ren that he actually had apprentices before the fallen Solo. But Ben shows the most promise, because he didn’t begin his training as an adept of the Dark Side, but was corrupted and fell from the light, something Snoke hadn’t experienced before:
It is far more than that. It is where you are from. What you are made of. The Dark Side—and the Light. The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work.
Snoke then recalls to Kylo that he saw the Empire “rise, and then fall”, and even that he knew that Darth Vader was Luke’s father (which is probably something Luke didn’t go touting publicly after Endor). This is something that he may have learned while seducing Ben to the dark side, admittedly, but in the book it’s implied that it was something he already knew at the time, anyway. The book really emphasizes that Snoke was a major presence throughout the events of the previous films, though, more than the film did—and that he has a vested interest in the Skywalker family lineage.
We Find Out How Poe Survived The Crash
After Finn and Poe liberate themselves from the Finalizer and crash land on Jakku, Poe essentially vanishes from the film until close to its climax—and there’s a reason for that, as he was originally meant to die early on, presumably in this crash.
The movie gives Poe a wishy-washy brief explanation for his survival (he ejected, and then went on his merry way) but doesn’t actually go into how Poe got off Jakku. This was one of our biggest questions, and at some point, it looks like the movie was going to answer it. In the novel, Poe doesn’t eject, but wakes up in the crashed TIE, and groggily wanders off pretty much just as Finn is running to it—he doesn’t hear his shouts because he’s concussed. Poe eventually meets up with a scavenger wandering the Jakku deserts, strikes up a connection with him the way he did with Finn, and then protects the scavenger from an attack by thugs with some slick speeder piloting. The scavenger takes Poe to an outpost where he can contact the Resistance for backup.
The “Cantina Scene” Was A Lot More Violent
Remember how Han threatens C-3PO in A New Hope by saying that Wookiees have a habit of yanking people’s arms off when they lose at a game? Well, The Force Awakens nearly showed us that threat in action.
Unkar Plutt (the scrapyard owner that Rey trades with, played by Simon Pegg) tracks Rey and the gang to Takodana thanks to a locator he put on the Falcon, and confronts the young girl as she goes to see Maz. Rey tries to use her newly-acquired blaster on him, but forgets to take the safety off—and when Plutt gets hostile, Chewie steps in:
Grabbing the thrusting arm, a roaring Chewbacca twisted and ripped it off at the shoulder, throwing the dismembered limb clear across the room. Looking down at himself, Plutt let out a scream of agony...
Bloody hell. Understandably, you can see why that was cut from the film. But that moment would’ve been another link between The Force Awakensand A New Hope.
Starkiller Base Makes (Slightly) More Sense
Okay, so Star Wars plays very loosely with the “science” part of its “science-fantasy” genre—parsecs, anyone?—but even by the franchises’ most egregious standards, the way Starkiller Base works in the film is quite frankly ridiculous.
It’s still ridiculous in the book, but it makes way more sense. Instead of slurping on stars like they’re hot, plasma-laden smoothies, Starkiller Base is powered by dark matter, which seems like a much more sustainable source of energy. In the film, when the base’s weapon fires, it shoots a single beam of energy across hundreds of thousands of miles... that then somehow inexplicably splits into 5 separate, pre-targeted beams to blow up the Republic Capital world Hosnian Prime, its four moons, and the New Republic’s fleet.
It’s really stupid.
In the book however, it plays out far differently. Starkiller Base doesn’t shoot a gigantic beam, but a ball of energy that is shot through sub-hyperspace, making it disappear just outside of the base, and then reappear just outside of its intended target. The ball of energy supercharges the target planet’s core, making it go supernova and burn up any nearby planets in the ensuing explosion. It’s still very silly Star Wars science, but way better than what we got.
Leia Has No Love For The New Republic
In the destruction of the Hosnian system, Leia loses someone close to her. Her Resistance-Senate envoy, Korr Sella (who was going to be played by Maisie Richardson-Sellers), is on Hosnian Prime on Leia’s behalf when Starkiller Base destroys it.
Why didn’t Leia go there herself? Turns out, she and the New Republic are not the biggest fans of each other. While the Republic secretly supports the Resistance, it publicly denounces the organization, and its relationship with General Organa has gone rather sour. When she dispatches Sella, Leia tells her that if she went instead of her agent, something sinister might happen to her:
I would have a terrible ‘accident,’ or become the victim of some ‘deranged’ radical. Or I would eat something that didn’t agree with me. Or encounter someone who didn’t agree with me.
Hey, Senators, show some respect to the lady who helped make your Senate in the first place! Wait, too late, you’re all dead now anyway.
Ben Solo Really Hated Han... But Still Felt Bad For Killing Him
Kylo Ren—a.k.a. fallen Jedi Ben Solo—and his emotinal trauma are some of the most intriguing parts of The Force Awakens. He’s really the first villain in the Star Wars movies that we’ve met, who is consumed by turmoil and his own nebulous rage. In the book, that rage is considerably less nebulous: Ben despised his father, finding the smuggler he really was could never match up to the expectations he had from Han’s legendary role in the Rebellion, a disappointment Snoke capitalized on.
In the movie’s most poignant moment, Ben draws his father (who, in the book, is revealed never to have seen his son as an adult until Ben takes his mask off in front of him) close with a touching declaration of his personal conflict, only to reveal he was drawing Han in to stab him through the heart with his lightsaber. In the film, it’s very clear that Ben is doing this to set himself firmly on the path to the Dark side, not on a redemptive arc towards the light—and even JJ Abrams has since said that it was meant to show there is no longer good in him.
The novel leaves Ben in a much greyer area after he kills his father though:
Following through on the act ought to have made him stronger, a part of him believed. Instead, he found himself weakened.
It’s an interesting distinction that leaves interpretations of the movie scene up for debate.
Han and Leia’s Relationship Was Clearer—And Sadder
I’ll just come out and say it: The book confirms that Han and Leia got married after the events of Return of the Jedi. Sorry Rob, your unhappy ending just got a little unhappier.
But on top of that, the book also reveals that Leia knew Snoke would try to turn Ben to the Dark Side—and kept this information from Han, thinking that as a non-Force user, he wouldn’t be able to help, or understand. Leia thought as the Force sensitive parent, it was her duty alone to protect Ben, but she ultimately failed him:
I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn’t true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you.
I was afraid that your reactions would only drive him farther to the dark side. I thought I could shield him from Snoke’s influence and you from what was happening.
Her keeping the secret was part of why Han left her following Ben’s ascension to the Knights of Ren and the massacre of the new Jedi Order—because as in the movie, Han believed that it was his fault Ben turned.
Who started chopping onions in here?
The Battle For Starkiller Base Had A Lot More Ground Action
Although they were plastered all over the toys and merchandise for the film, the First Order’s snowtroopers barely appeared—some were at the First Order rally, and that’s it. But now we know why they and their speeders ended up being such a big part of the toy push: a whole action sequence from the climax was cut from the final movie.
In the novel, when Rey and Finn make their way to the oscillator to plant their last set of bombs, they do so by hijacking a First Order snowspeeder—which leads to a big chase as Snowtroopers took pursuit of the heroes.
Poe Didn’t Get His Trench Run Moment
Some of this may have come down to the fact that in earlier drafts, Poe was meant to die earlier on in the film, but one of The Force Awakens’ most oblique homages to A New Hope almost didn’t happen. In the book, the Resistance’s X-Wing squadrons simply bomb the oscillator with everything they have after Han’s ground team blow it wide open—no trench, no fancy flying, just a simple run. Completely different to Poe’s crowning moment as he goes solo and flies into the oscillator, torpedoing it from the inside.
Maybe if we didn’t have that trench run bit, Ello Asty wouldn’t have had to die (he’s the only casualty in the trench run, in the movie). Don’t worry Ello, you’ll live on as an action figure. *sniffles*
An Alternative Answer To R2-D2’s Awakening
Although JJ Abrams has already clarified how R2-D2 managed to miraculously restart himself after his self-induced droid coma in the movie, the book actually offers an alternate, simple reason.
According to Abrams, it’s the mention of the Imperial Archive that kickstarts R2’s awakening, a process that takes place over a good chunk of the film—but in the book, the astromech simply hears the mention of the Imperial records as where the files stored on BB-8 are from, and wakes up almost instantaneously, sensing the presence of the remaining part of the map nearby within BB-8.
The Film Could Have Ended With A Major Callback To A New Hope
The final moments of The Force Awakens are silent—Rey, having found Luke Skywalker, holds out his old lightsaber to the venerable Jedi Master, silently imploring him to recognize the weapon.
In the book, the moment is still silent, but it’s a fun little callback to Leia’s hologram from the very first film:
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his Lightsaber. Taking several steps forwad, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
It’s probably for the best she didn’t quote his own sister at him. I’m not sure Luke would’ve appreciated it.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-biggest-differences-between-the-book-and-movie-v-1749329046
The 11 Biggest Differences Between the Book and Movie Versions of The Force Awakens
Filed to: STAR WARS
Many movie novelizations are surprisingly different than the actual movies. The original Star Wars had a book version that was weirdly different and came out months earlier. So it’s probably not surprising thatThe Force Awakens’ own novel is contains some surprising moments that aren’t in the film.
Suffice to say, there will be major spoilers throughout this post for The Force Awakens. Not seen the movie yet? You’re going to want to get out of here pretty sharpish!
Alan Dean Foster—who wrote the very first Star Wars novelization (although he was credited as George Lucas in its first edition)—returned to write the Force Awakens novel. This book is already available as an e-book, with no physical release until January, for fear of spoilers.
We devoured the Force Awakens novel over the weekend, and noticed there were some pretty surprising differences. Here’s some of the biggest changes between the book (which was presumably written from a near-final draft of the script, as is the case with many movie novelizations) and the final movie.
Supreme Leader Snoke Has Been Around For Ages
Supreme Leader Snoke is a whacking great mystery throughout The Force Awakens. Who is he? Where did he come from? Is he a Sith? Is he really that big, or is he holocommunicating with some major compensation issues?
The novelization doesn’t answer all of those questions, but it gives some insight into Snoke by revealing that he’s been working behind the scenes for quite some time, even during the Original Trilogy. In one of their several hologram chit chats, Snoke reveals to Kylo Ren that he actually had apprentices before the fallen Solo. But Ben shows the most promise, because he didn’t begin his training as an adept of the Dark Side, but was corrupted and fell from the light, something Snoke hadn’t experienced before:
It is far more than that. It is where you are from. What you are made of. The Dark Side—and the Light. The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work.
Snoke then recalls to Kylo that he saw the Empire “rise, and then fall”, and even that he knew that Darth Vader was Luke’s father (which is probably something Luke didn’t go touting publicly after Endor). This is something that he may have learned while seducing Ben to the dark side, admittedly, but in the book it’s implied that it was something he already knew at the time, anyway. The book really emphasizes that Snoke was a major presence throughout the events of the previous films, though, more than the film did—and that he has a vested interest in the Skywalker family lineage.
We Find Out How Poe Survived The Crash
After Finn and Poe liberate themselves from the Finalizer and crash land on Jakku, Poe essentially vanishes from the film until close to its climax—and there’s a reason for that, as he was originally meant to die early on, presumably in this crash.
The movie gives Poe a wishy-washy brief explanation for his survival (he ejected, and then went on his merry way) but doesn’t actually go into how Poe got off Jakku. This was one of our biggest questions, and at some point, it looks like the movie was going to answer it. In the novel, Poe doesn’t eject, but wakes up in the crashed TIE, and groggily wanders off pretty much just as Finn is running to it—he doesn’t hear his shouts because he’s concussed. Poe eventually meets up with a scavenger wandering the Jakku deserts, strikes up a connection with him the way he did with Finn, and then protects the scavenger from an attack by thugs with some slick speeder piloting. The scavenger takes Poe to an outpost where he can contact the Resistance for backup.
The “Cantina Scene” Was A Lot More Violent
Remember how Han threatens C-3PO in A New Hope by saying that Wookiees have a habit of yanking people’s arms off when they lose at a game? Well, The Force Awakens nearly showed us that threat in action.
Unkar Plutt (the scrapyard owner that Rey trades with, played by Simon Pegg) tracks Rey and the gang to Takodana thanks to a locator he put on the Falcon, and confronts the young girl as she goes to see Maz. Rey tries to use her newly-acquired blaster on him, but forgets to take the safety off—and when Plutt gets hostile, Chewie steps in:
Grabbing the thrusting arm, a roaring Chewbacca twisted and ripped it off at the shoulder, throwing the dismembered limb clear across the room. Looking down at himself, Plutt let out a scream of agony...
Bloody hell. Understandably, you can see why that was cut from the film. But that moment would’ve been another link between The Force Awakensand A New Hope.
Starkiller Base Makes (Slightly) More Sense
Okay, so Star Wars plays very loosely with the “science” part of its “science-fantasy” genre—parsecs, anyone?—but even by the franchises’ most egregious standards, the way Starkiller Base works in the film is quite frankly ridiculous.
It’s still ridiculous in the book, but it makes way more sense. Instead of slurping on stars like they’re hot, plasma-laden smoothies, Starkiller Base is powered by dark matter, which seems like a much more sustainable source of energy. In the film, when the base’s weapon fires, it shoots a single beam of energy across hundreds of thousands of miles... that then somehow inexplicably splits into 5 separate, pre-targeted beams to blow up the Republic Capital world Hosnian Prime, its four moons, and the New Republic’s fleet.
It’s really stupid.
In the book however, it plays out far differently. Starkiller Base doesn’t shoot a gigantic beam, but a ball of energy that is shot through sub-hyperspace, making it disappear just outside of the base, and then reappear just outside of its intended target. The ball of energy supercharges the target planet’s core, making it go supernova and burn up any nearby planets in the ensuing explosion. It’s still very silly Star Wars science, but way better than what we got.
Leia Has No Love For The New Republic
In the destruction of the Hosnian system, Leia loses someone close to her. Her Resistance-Senate envoy, Korr Sella (who was going to be played by Maisie Richardson-Sellers), is on Hosnian Prime on Leia’s behalf when Starkiller Base destroys it.
Why didn’t Leia go there herself? Turns out, she and the New Republic are not the biggest fans of each other. While the Republic secretly supports the Resistance, it publicly denounces the organization, and its relationship with General Organa has gone rather sour. When she dispatches Sella, Leia tells her that if she went instead of her agent, something sinister might happen to her:
I would have a terrible ‘accident,’ or become the victim of some ‘deranged’ radical. Or I would eat something that didn’t agree with me. Or encounter someone who didn’t agree with me.
Hey, Senators, show some respect to the lady who helped make your Senate in the first place! Wait, too late, you’re all dead now anyway.
Ben Solo Really Hated Han... But Still Felt Bad For Killing Him
Kylo Ren—a.k.a. fallen Jedi Ben Solo—and his emotinal trauma are some of the most intriguing parts of The Force Awakens. He’s really the first villain in the Star Wars movies that we’ve met, who is consumed by turmoil and his own nebulous rage. In the book, that rage is considerably less nebulous: Ben despised his father, finding the smuggler he really was could never match up to the expectations he had from Han’s legendary role in the Rebellion, a disappointment Snoke capitalized on.
In the movie’s most poignant moment, Ben draws his father (who, in the book, is revealed never to have seen his son as an adult until Ben takes his mask off in front of him) close with a touching declaration of his personal conflict, only to reveal he was drawing Han in to stab him through the heart with his lightsaber. In the film, it’s very clear that Ben is doing this to set himself firmly on the path to the Dark side, not on a redemptive arc towards the light—and even JJ Abrams has since said that it was meant to show there is no longer good in him.
The novel leaves Ben in a much greyer area after he kills his father though:
Following through on the act ought to have made him stronger, a part of him believed. Instead, he found himself weakened.
It’s an interesting distinction that leaves interpretations of the movie scene up for debate.
Han and Leia’s Relationship Was Clearer—And Sadder
I’ll just come out and say it: The book confirms that Han and Leia got married after the events of Return of the Jedi. Sorry Rob, your unhappy ending just got a little unhappier.
But on top of that, the book also reveals that Leia knew Snoke would try to turn Ben to the Dark Side—and kept this information from Han, thinking that as a non-Force user, he wouldn’t be able to help, or understand. Leia thought as the Force sensitive parent, it was her duty alone to protect Ben, but she ultimately failed him:
I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn’t true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you.
I was afraid that your reactions would only drive him farther to the dark side. I thought I could shield him from Snoke’s influence and you from what was happening.
Her keeping the secret was part of why Han left her following Ben’s ascension to the Knights of Ren and the massacre of the new Jedi Order—because as in the movie, Han believed that it was his fault Ben turned.
Who started chopping onions in here?
The Battle For Starkiller Base Had A Lot More Ground Action
Although they were plastered all over the toys and merchandise for the film, the First Order’s snowtroopers barely appeared—some were at the First Order rally, and that’s it. But now we know why they and their speeders ended up being such a big part of the toy push: a whole action sequence from the climax was cut from the final movie.
In the novel, when Rey and Finn make their way to the oscillator to plant their last set of bombs, they do so by hijacking a First Order snowspeeder—which leads to a big chase as Snowtroopers took pursuit of the heroes.
Poe Didn’t Get His Trench Run Moment
Some of this may have come down to the fact that in earlier drafts, Poe was meant to die earlier on in the film, but one of The Force Awakens’ most oblique homages to A New Hope almost didn’t happen. In the book, the Resistance’s X-Wing squadrons simply bomb the oscillator with everything they have after Han’s ground team blow it wide open—no trench, no fancy flying, just a simple run. Completely different to Poe’s crowning moment as he goes solo and flies into the oscillator, torpedoing it from the inside.
Maybe if we didn’t have that trench run bit, Ello Asty wouldn’t have had to die (he’s the only casualty in the trench run, in the movie). Don’t worry Ello, you’ll live on as an action figure. *sniffles*
An Alternative Answer To R2-D2’s Awakening
Although JJ Abrams has already clarified how R2-D2 managed to miraculously restart himself after his self-induced droid coma in the movie, the book actually offers an alternate, simple reason.
According to Abrams, it’s the mention of the Imperial Archive that kickstarts R2’s awakening, a process that takes place over a good chunk of the film—but in the book, the astromech simply hears the mention of the Imperial records as where the files stored on BB-8 are from, and wakes up almost instantaneously, sensing the presence of the remaining part of the map nearby within BB-8.
The Film Could Have Ended With A Major Callback To A New Hope
The final moments of The Force Awakens are silent—Rey, having found Luke Skywalker, holds out his old lightsaber to the venerable Jedi Master, silently imploring him to recognize the weapon.
In the book, the moment is still silent, but it’s a fun little callback to Leia’s hologram from the very first film:
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his Lightsaber. Taking several steps forwad, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
It’s probably for the best she didn’t quote his own sister at him. I’m not sure Luke would’ve appreciated it.
even in the book R2's "awakening" is STILL corny
Poe is STILL useless
and Starkiller Base is STILL stupid..
I predict by next summer there will be a full on backlash to TFA by fanboys..right now most people WANT to like it but once all the plotholes and stupid shit sinks in you'll see a change.it won't get as bad as the PT but even now no one ranks it as better than Empire Strikes back and thats over 30 years ago..
Poe is STILL useless
and Starkiller Base is STILL stupid..
I predict by next summer there will be a full on backlash to TFA by fanboys..right now most people WANT to like it but once all the plotholes and stupid shit sinks in you'll see a change.it won't get as bad as the PT but even now no one ranks it as better than Empire Strikes back and thats over 30 years ago..
I don't agree with that guys position on this whole Jedi discussion but you're wrong - epigenetics is real bruh. Hope that helps.
Fin making baby mixed sky walkers >>>>
what do you think about this?
Snoke then recalls to Kylo that he saw the Empire “rise, and then fall”, and even that he knew that Darth Vader was Luke’s father (which is probably something Luke didn’t go touting publicly after Endor). This is something that he may have learned while seducing Ben to the dark side, admittedly, but in the book it’s implied that it was something he already knew at the time, anyway. The book really emphasizes that Snoke was a major presence throughout the events of the previous films, though, more than the film did—and that he has a vested interest in the Skywalker family lineage.
When confronting Kylo Ren, Fin activated the light saber without clicking anything. That's force sensitive.
The force was strong in Both Luke and Leia.
After ROTJ, Leia becomes a Jedi Knight in the New Jedi Order
To me that would indicate that Snoke was possibly Plaugus after all...but apparently those rumors have been squashed. Would have been dope though. I think introducing Plaugus could salvage the medachlorin fiasco. Since Plaugus had so much knowledge of the force that he could create life and prevent death..they could reveal that he actually created Anakin through the medachlorin and explain his connection to the Skywalkers...and also why their connection to the Force is so strong.
damn the remastered scenes look great...might have to rewatch these joints...thought it'd be cheesy w/ all these years passed...can still feel the tension in that scene tho
Stop tryna play Fin
He is force sensitive
All that shit he was going threw
Wait till like trains him
He is force sensitive
All that shit he was going threw
Wait till like trains him
this is expanded universe stuff that had better pay off REALLY good if they are going to incorporate it into the film saga.
I've never really gotten into the EU books with the exception of the book Splinter of the Mind's Eye (which came out after ANH and is the first book involving the movie)
and a few story arcs from the Marvel star wars comic namely the Shira Brie arc and one where she later becomes Lumiya
IMO snoke is just the new emperor and its not necessary to get into his background any more than we got into palptines to enjoy the new trilogy.
Don't get me wrong. I hope he is force-sensitive. Shits more interesting that way.
But so far there's nothing showing that he might be.
Power switch for Anakin's blue light saber is the palm lever.
There's nothing to click. It's activated by simply closing your hand around it properly.
Those buttons seen at the top of it are adjustment knobs.
Look it up. Even the toy version operated the same way.
Leia was a Jedi Knight only in the Expanded Universe.
According to Force Awakens, she never had any Jedi training at all.
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Epigenetics is real. Never said it wasnt. He is talking specifically about epigenetic drift. Which while real,. is not seen to the scale that was used in the example. Good thought, wrong scale.
Silent night, holy night, all is calm, all is bright...
True enough after reading it again he does seem to suggest that, if for instance, giraffes stretched their necks to reach higher branches that the successive generation would somehow have marketedly longer necks. That's not the example he used but it employs the same argumentative logic...
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im assuming that this is correct and that we are goung to see the real finn. in part 2. cause in this movie he was kinda useless.
the force doesn't work that way -y'all are all over the place with this.
based on canon - eliminating jedi didn't reduce the amount of force sensitive being born- they just weren't being sought and trained unless the emperor sensed them and those were the very strong, which has always been few
there are entire races that are ALL force sensitive and capable of wielding the force
for the most part going back a thousand years jedis wouldn't have children but they still maintained their numbers
the connection to the force, the amount of power one wields is not exclusively hereditary
fyi - Maz Kanata is force sensitive
a parent training does not make one stronger in the force either- Kylo Ren is very strong in the force but really untrained, he is being conned that he walks in dark side but he isn't. Not Jedi not Sith, he has no discipline, no rage... just insecurity, fear and frustration. I'm very curious to see what corrupted him while training under Luke
IMO -Rey is related to someone - she had some youngling training... she was hidden on Jakku and had her memories suppressed w/ a command to wait implanted
Finn - they left him up in the air - so the next movies aren't locked in to him being force sensitive...
but in this movie the force is stronger in him than anyone else. The lightsaber may have called out to Rey, but the force guided Finn from the moment he and Poe said "we're doing this!"
Throughout the whole movie Finn's first instinct was always right (forget the "we all got to run away")
Finn was guided to Rey
He chose the Millennium Falcon while Rey looked for the practical
he pulled a Qui Gon Jinn when they were about to break into the base (fuck a plan, the force will guide us)
was guided to Rey again.
+instinctive learning:
capable on weapons system on the tie fighter
mirrored Rey in the Millennium Falcon
he defended himself 2x with a lightsaber without injuring himself
remember "there is no luck, only the force"
I hope so too - cause they left themselves an out to leave him with no power and maybe even a criple
Yea man, it would be silly to the story line of this current trilogy to only have one Jedi Knight especially with the Knights of Ren on the horizon for the upcoming episodes.
Having Fin further trained as a Jedi and with Mandalorian-esque gear (armor, jet-pack, blasters, etc) would give him the edge in combat,,,flying around on his jet pack taking out adversaries from a long distance and close combat as a Jedi warrior. Now THAT would be bad ass combination of ARC Trooper and Jedi
What The Force Awakens Borrowed From the Old Star Wars Expanded Universe
http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-the-force-awakens-borrowed-from-the-old-star-wars-1749328107
Whether intentional, by coincidence, or because the plot points are obvious continuations of the established characters, there are a number of things in The Force Awakens that tread over ground the old Expanded Universe also walked. Major spoilers ahead.
The New Republic and the Remainder of the Empire
As in the original-now-Legends Expanded Universe, the Rebel Alliance of the original trilogy becomes the New Republic. Which makes sense, since it turns them from a group of freedom fighters into a “government.” In both cases, the change follows Battle of Endor (i.e. Return of the Jedi) and Mon Mothma becomes the political leader.
Both the Imperial Remnant and the First Order are the results of the Empire losing to the New Republic and being forced to the fringes of the galaxy. In The Force Awakens, the First Order is the militant splinter faction of the Empire, with the original Empire relegated to a “rump state.” In the Expanded Universe, the Imperial Remnant is what remains of the Empire decades into the conflict with the Rebels/New Republic. Like the Empire in The Force Awakens, it has peace treaties with the New Republic and has a faction of hardliners still prevalent.
And, semi-hilariously, semi-horrifically, both iterations of the New Republic don’t even make it one generation before crumbling into dust. At least The Force Awakens lost to a superweapon wielded by the Imperials and not an invading hoard of fanatically religious bug people.
Starkiller Base
Speaking of the superweapon, Starkiller Base has more than a passing resemblance to another EU nightmare: the Sun Crusher. First, there’s the weird compulsion the Empire seems to have towards planet-killers. Second, both of them destroy suns to do their jobs. In both cases, the result is a whole system being killed in one fell swoop, rather than a single planet.
Weirdly, as much as the Sun Crusher is a ridiculous ship, it has less in common with the Death Star than Starkiller Base does. Starkiller is much bigger than the Death Star, but it’s still got the one soft spot which can be targeted. The Sun Crusher isn’t a base, it’s a fighter. And it’s made out of an indestructible material. The Sun Crusher, and its related books, isn’t good. In this case, hewing closer to the formula actually worked in The Force Awakens’ favor. Where trying to fix all the problems with the Death Star ruined all the fun.
A Son of Han and Leia Turns to the Dark Side
Kylo Ren manages to combine a bunch of elements from the Expanded Universe. His original name, Ben, was given to Luke’s kid in the books. (Which, honestly, makes more sense.) In the books, Han and Leia also send their kids away “for their own good.” In The Force Awakens it’s for training. In the books, it’s to protect them from kidnapping attempts.
In the books, Jacen Solo turned into a Sith under the influence of Lumiya, who trained under both Darth Vader and the Emperor. Jacen Solo was told he had to sacrifice his parents in order to become a true Sith Master. He wasn’t entirely sure he loved his parents anymore, and ended up seeing the death of his aunt—Mara Jade Skywalker—as his sacrifice.
Kylo Ren’s got a lot of that same plot in him. He’s the Solo son who goes dark. Like Jacen, he started out training under Luke Skywalker. Like Jacen, Ren’s lured to the dark side and is under the sway of another. And like Jacen, Ren ends up cementing his turn by murdering a family member. Jacen chose the name Darth Caedus, while Ben Solo chose Kylo Ren.
There’s a lot of speculation over Rey’s family—whether she’s a Solo, a Skywalker, or just specially Force-powerful. For those familiar with the EU, it’s really hard to not assume some kind of familiar relationship between Ren and Rey. When Rey fought him and won in The Force Awakens, that was reminiscent of Jaina and Jacen Solo’s last fight in the books. Jaina is Jacen’s twin.
Timeline-wise, Rey can’t be Ren’s twin. She’s nineteen and Ren is around 30. And Han and Leia don’t react to her strong enough for her to be their daughter. But something about that theory feels right, if only because of the baggage left behind by the EU.
Luke’s Jedi Classes End In Tragedy
It’s nothing new for Luke to lose a trainee to the Dark Side. It happens a lot in the books, since it’s always a fun dramatic device. Which is likely why we got it again in The Force Awakens. And Luke does spend a significant period of time searching for information about the Jedi, since most of it was lost in the Emperor’s purge.
In the EU, Luke lost around half of his first Jedi class to the Dark Side. They were attacked by the most powerful turned one. Over the years, it happened fairly frequently that Jedi wandered to the Dark Side and back. It’s in-keeping with the EU characterization of Luke’s Jedi training that he lost his nephew to the Dark Side. And so is his search for information on the history of the Jedi.
Lightsabers
Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber, lost by Luke in the battle with Darth Vader on Cloud City, reappears in The Force Awakens. How it ended up in the hands of Maz Kanata is still a mystery. In the books, its reappearance is well-explained. The Emperor recovered it (and Luke’s hand) and stored them in his secret treasure trove. Luke gave it to Mara Jade.
We also see that the lightsaber that Kylo Ren has made for himself has a weak blade, which is much softer looking around the edges. We know that’s because he made it without complete knowledge. That’s also something we’ve seen in the EU, with the most memorable example being the lightsaber of Tenel Ka. She didn’t construct hers with care, and the blade failed during a training exercise, costing Tenel Ka her arm. The way Ren’s lightsaber looks, I half expected a similar thing to happen to him.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-the-force-awakens-borrowed-from-the-old-star-wars-1749328107
Whether intentional, by coincidence, or because the plot points are obvious continuations of the established characters, there are a number of things in The Force Awakens that tread over ground the old Expanded Universe also walked. Major spoilers ahead.
The New Republic and the Remainder of the Empire
As in the original-now-Legends Expanded Universe, the Rebel Alliance of the original trilogy becomes the New Republic. Which makes sense, since it turns them from a group of freedom fighters into a “government.” In both cases, the change follows Battle of Endor (i.e. Return of the Jedi) and Mon Mothma becomes the political leader.
Both the Imperial Remnant and the First Order are the results of the Empire losing to the New Republic and being forced to the fringes of the galaxy. In The Force Awakens, the First Order is the militant splinter faction of the Empire, with the original Empire relegated to a “rump state.” In the Expanded Universe, the Imperial Remnant is what remains of the Empire decades into the conflict with the Rebels/New Republic. Like the Empire in The Force Awakens, it has peace treaties with the New Republic and has a faction of hardliners still prevalent.
And, semi-hilariously, semi-horrifically, both iterations of the New Republic don’t even make it one generation before crumbling into dust. At least The Force Awakens lost to a superweapon wielded by the Imperials and not an invading hoard of fanatically religious bug people.
Starkiller Base
Speaking of the superweapon, Starkiller Base has more than a passing resemblance to another EU nightmare: the Sun Crusher. First, there’s the weird compulsion the Empire seems to have towards planet-killers. Second, both of them destroy suns to do their jobs. In both cases, the result is a whole system being killed in one fell swoop, rather than a single planet.
Weirdly, as much as the Sun Crusher is a ridiculous ship, it has less in common with the Death Star than Starkiller Base does. Starkiller is much bigger than the Death Star, but it’s still got the one soft spot which can be targeted. The Sun Crusher isn’t a base, it’s a fighter. And it’s made out of an indestructible material. The Sun Crusher, and its related books, isn’t good. In this case, hewing closer to the formula actually worked in The Force Awakens’ favor. Where trying to fix all the problems with the Death Star ruined all the fun.
A Son of Han and Leia Turns to the Dark Side
Kylo Ren manages to combine a bunch of elements from the Expanded Universe. His original name, Ben, was given to Luke’s kid in the books. (Which, honestly, makes more sense.) In the books, Han and Leia also send their kids away “for their own good.” In The Force Awakens it’s for training. In the books, it’s to protect them from kidnapping attempts.
In the books, Jacen Solo turned into a Sith under the influence of Lumiya, who trained under both Darth Vader and the Emperor. Jacen Solo was told he had to sacrifice his parents in order to become a true Sith Master. He wasn’t entirely sure he loved his parents anymore, and ended up seeing the death of his aunt—Mara Jade Skywalker—as his sacrifice.
Kylo Ren’s got a lot of that same plot in him. He’s the Solo son who goes dark. Like Jacen, he started out training under Luke Skywalker. Like Jacen, Ren’s lured to the dark side and is under the sway of another. And like Jacen, Ren ends up cementing his turn by murdering a family member. Jacen chose the name Darth Caedus, while Ben Solo chose Kylo Ren.
There’s a lot of speculation over Rey’s family—whether she’s a Solo, a Skywalker, or just specially Force-powerful. For those familiar with the EU, it’s really hard to not assume some kind of familiar relationship between Ren and Rey. When Rey fought him and won in The Force Awakens, that was reminiscent of Jaina and Jacen Solo’s last fight in the books. Jaina is Jacen’s twin.
Timeline-wise, Rey can’t be Ren’s twin. She’s nineteen and Ren is around 30. And Han and Leia don’t react to her strong enough for her to be their daughter. But something about that theory feels right, if only because of the baggage left behind by the EU.
Luke’s Jedi Classes End In Tragedy
It’s nothing new for Luke to lose a trainee to the Dark Side. It happens a lot in the books, since it’s always a fun dramatic device. Which is likely why we got it again in The Force Awakens. And Luke does spend a significant period of time searching for information about the Jedi, since most of it was lost in the Emperor’s purge.
In the EU, Luke lost around half of his first Jedi class to the Dark Side. They were attacked by the most powerful turned one. Over the years, it happened fairly frequently that Jedi wandered to the Dark Side and back. It’s in-keeping with the EU characterization of Luke’s Jedi training that he lost his nephew to the Dark Side. And so is his search for information on the history of the Jedi.
Lightsabers
Anakin Skywalker’s lightsaber, lost by Luke in the battle with Darth Vader on Cloud City, reappears in The Force Awakens. How it ended up in the hands of Maz Kanata is still a mystery. In the books, its reappearance is well-explained. The Emperor recovered it (and Luke’s hand) and stored them in his secret treasure trove. Luke gave it to Mara Jade.
We also see that the lightsaber that Kylo Ren has made for himself has a weak blade, which is much softer looking around the edges. We know that’s because he made it without complete knowledge. That’s also something we’ve seen in the EU, with the most memorable example being the lightsaber of Tenel Ka. She didn’t construct hers with care, and the blade failed during a training exercise, costing Tenel Ka her arm. The way Ren’s lightsaber looks, I half expected a similar thing to happen to him.
besides saving rey and poe
Wtf is this
Then get whooped. And he get saved.
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12 years a space slave
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King Flex went in on this movie
why in the fuck is "dead-eye" whitaker in anything star wars?
I can't stand watching him do a scene with more than 1 other person in the room.
You have no idea who he's talking to.
I can't stand watching him do a scene with more than 1 other person in the room.
You have no idea who he's talking to.
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