They're averaging 102 ppg now, they can & will score as needed. They haven't had a game not in the 90s all post season
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RoadRage got his fanboy cape on extra tight right now.
He also has very fast hands, and in the Spurs game it was clear that Parker was frustrated by his defense.. One announcer even commented, he never say, he never seen Parker disrupted that much by one guy. Been watching Cole from day one, and I have a feel of the type of players he matches up well against, believe it or not, he also matches up very well vs Rose.
But that said, knowing Spo, he will put Rio on him and Parker would have a big game.
Only one game Parker scored 32 but then again he held him to 13,17, and 20.. If he puts up those numbers vs the Heat, and Duncan fails to score 45, its lights out..
Basically to have a chance Parker is going to have to out score or come close to out scoring James... Just do the math...
Here is a realistic box score vs the Spurs..
Wade 22
James 27
Bosh 17
Rio 10
Birdman 10
Allen 10
Cole 8
Battier 10
Thats 114 points... Teams like Indiana and Chicago can do things, in terms of packing the paint, to disrupt these stat lines.. But this line is very conservative where most of the players are below their scoring average.. The real problem is trying to get 114 points with the Spurs lineup with out Parker and Duncan having damn near career games..
Here is a realistic box score vs the Spurs..
Wade 22
James 27
Bosh 17
Rio 10
Birdman 10
Allen 10
Cole 8
Battier 10
Thats 114 points... Teams like Indiana and Chicago can do things, in terms of packing the paint, to disrupt these stat lines.. But this line is very conservative where most of the players are below their scoring average.. The real problem is trying to get 114 points with the Spurs lineup with out Parker and Duncan having damn near career games..
Curry wasn't even defending him a majority of the time. They started switching him off and putting Jack on Parker and going to the smaller lineup. You can't hold a defender to anything when you aren't defending him and you're not a good defender in the first place.
Spurs aren't build around Tony scoring a lot of points. He's a PG. He also distributes. Tony had games in this playoffs where he had 17 points and 18 assists. That's the tony you don't want to see because that means everyone is scoring.
I'm suprised you're sounding so gotdamn silly in this thread. The Spurs don't need Parker or Duncan a lot of points to win. They want everyone distributed. A sure fire way for them to lose would be parker and duncan dominated the ball. Everyone knows that and that would never happen. Their players are too smart to do something so stupid.
It's the role players that you don't want scoring.
Will the Heat beat the Spurs if they play? Who knows, this is why the games are played... But as a honest basketball fan (my allegiance to the Heat put aside) the Spurs do not match up well vs MIA, I explained my logic and why I came up with my conclusion.. Now unless someone can convince me how the Spurs defensive unit will be able to some how contain the Heat scoring to under 110 and/or someone explain how the Spurs plan of scoring that much, then opinion will remain as stated.
Stop with the dumb shit. The Spurs don't need to worry about scoring points. They score 100+ a game. They never have problems scoring. The issue is whether Pop will devise a defensive scheme to contain Wade (because Lebron is going to get his) and keep the Miami shooters off the three point line. Chicago and Indiana give Miami problems because they dont need to double and send as much help. The issue is going to be if the Spurs can defensively handle their assignments one on one.
Doesn't matter unless you can convince me the Spurs will score at least 110 or find a way of holding the Heat to under 110 its just a moot point.
Commentators can be idiots so their comments can be pointless. I also saw a commentator last night say that wrist and hand are apart of the ball and that when Gasol went up and got hacked on his wrist and hand pretty ridiculously they said it wasn't a foul because "hand is apart of the ball". They clearly misinterpreted the rules. Let's not depend on commentators. If you get all ball and then hand later it is not a foul. If you get hand and wrist only that is always a foul.
The reality of the matter is that Parker was playing with the bench squad as 2 of the starters and their sixth man (who plays starter minutes) was out of the game.
If your bread and butter is the pick and roll and feasting off teams who can not play team defense, by rotating and switching up, and you go against one of the best teams not named the Jordan Bulls, at defending the pick and roll. Also a team that has the capability of scoring 110 against you in a average day, then your primary concern should be finding ways of scoring a lot of points..
Also I said that the Spurs will have a hard time defending one on one, and if anything my box score numbers are really conservative, that said I still don't see how this Spurs team is able to constantly score over 110 points vs this heat team.
You aren't an honest basketball fan and you know that. You always find ways to support your conclusion even if it defies all logic. The simple fact that you are leaning on Cole to stop Parker as the core of your argument should pretty much let anyone know that you're a homer.
This is a logical fallacy. The Heat don't even average 100 points a game in the playoffs so why would anyone need to make an argument for 110 points (and they scored 105 in one game and 88 in the other during the regular season against the Spurs). However now they are just gonna start scoring 110 a game? You're such a fucking homer that you are creating ridiculous hypotheticals. Stop the bullshit RR. You should be better than this.
aside from that, stopping tony parker is not the key to "stopping tony parker".
Most teams in the NBA are incapable of guarding against the pick and roll, the Heat may have problems rebounding and other things, but their strength is guarding the pick and roll, and to beat the Heat they may be force to score more than they average (due to so many S.A. mismatch on defense) I just don't see that happening ..
I'm not even sure why RR is making that argument in the first place. Since when has the story been "The Spurs will only go as far as Tony Parker takes them"?
The Heat has played the Bulls and Pacers, teams who match up better against them by packing the paint, and using bigger guys to play one on one vs LeBron, Bosh and Wade. The Spurs like OKC last year do not have the personal to do this, and like last year I expect Miami numbers to shoot up... Matter of fact with out the lux of being able to put Durrant on LeBron, I expect things to be much worse for the Spurs..
The Spurs only hope is for Parker to be able to match James, point for point, something I don't see, especially vs Cole.
Something Pop mastered all those years going against Shaq, he wouldn't double...he'd go straight up & deal with the consequences. I don't see the Heat with anyone outside of Lebron you'd double. The only time I'd double down is when he posts, make him come off the ball or spin inside...cause he killing George spinning baseline.
Cuban talk about this damn near anytime he talk about the Heat & he asks why don't teams do what the Mavs did against them: mix your defensive coverage. If you don't change, the Heat will kill you...Spo is pretty good at figuring out the opponent & adapting. We rotated 3 different guys on Bron & switched from zone to man numerous times. You gotta know Pop is going to devise a better scheme than Thibs & Vogel.
If you take away the pick and roll, then where is the scoring going to come from? And unlike Indiana and Boston, they wont be able to man handle the Heat in the paint, so don't expect the same 2nd chance rebound put backs either.
You're real good as moving the goal-posts man. You've been talking shit 110 point a game shit when not only do the Heat score less than 100 a game in the playoffs but average well less than 100 against the Spurs. So how in the hell are you telling people that unless the Spurs can score 110 a game they can't win?
You're making a bunch of silly-ass arguments.
I believe Miami will win but it won't be because of the reasons you're giving.
With Shaq you could put one of your best defender one on one against him (Duncan) and though he is not the physical beast Shaq was, Duncan did have the foot speed to at least slow him down and make him play on both ends of the floor... With LeBron you are going to have to go with Lenard a player that is slower, a inch shorter and 25 pounds lighter.. What makes it so bad they don't have anyone off the bench that is much better. The Heat will get around 114 if LeBron scores only 27 but what if he goes for 35, something he has a much better shot at doing than Parker, that would put them close to the 122 mark basically we are talking blow out, and starters being pulled.
You act like Duncan can't work whoever on the block, like Duncan can't still bang jumpers...I'm not as confident as you are that the Heat are going to take away the pick & roll. Hell, David West out here picking dudes off...George Hill just not TP.
Parker averaged 22.5 ppg against Curry, what are you talking bout dawg??? He went for 13, 25, 17, 32, 20, & 28. That's not holding him in check bro.
Why are you under the illusion that the Spurs can only score if they run a pick and roll? Even if Miami could cause problems for their pick and roll, to follow your logic one has to presuppose that the Spurs are so offensively-challenged that they depend on once scheme to generate points.
The Spurs don't have a problem scoring points.
The key for the Spurs is gonna be what kind of defensive schemes that Pop runs take the Heat role players out of their sweet spots (haslem off the baseline jumpers, Allen off the curl corner threes...Bosh off the 15 footer from the right block, etc).
I came up with that number based on a conservative yet realistic stat line I expect vs the Spurs... I didn't go crazy giving Wade 30 and James 40.. I then added up the tally and came up with 110.. I really don't see the Spurs being able to be successful in running their pick and roll offense nor do I see them being able to slow down the Heat offense enough to beat them more than one game..
Dude did you just start watching hoops in 2011? Duncan DID NOT guard Shaq. Duncan stayed at the four & no...the Spurs did not "slow" Shaq down, they just beat everyone else & destroyed them defensively with the pick & roll.
How in the fuck are they conservative if they are FOURTEEN POINTS higher than what the Heat averaged against the Spurs during the regular season. Are you fucking serious??
They will have a hard time scoring one on one vs the Heat and their speed.. Remember the only quick team they played in the playoffs was G.S. and they lacked the height, depth and athleticism to beat them, yet the pushed them close. Think of the Heat as a bigger stronger, more athletic version of the Warriors with the ability to take it to the hole almost at will..
Why the fuck would anyone be dumb enough to do that when the Warriors play NOTHING like the Heat ??
That's fucking retarded RR.
Dude did you just start watching hoops in 2011? Duncan DID NOT guard Shaq. Duncan stayed at the four & no...the Spurs did not "slow" Shaq down, they just beat everyone else & destroyed them defensively with the pick & roll.
Back then they had Duncan as a option, but what teams did then was hack Shaq, and rotate different players on him.. You can't do that with LeBron on the Heat..
Dude did you just start watching hoops in 2011? Duncan DID NOT guard Shaq. Duncan stayed at the four & no...the Spurs did not "slow" Shaq down, they just beat everyone else & destroyed them defensively with the pick & roll.
That fanboy juice be having muthafuckas going crazy yo
Why the fuck would anyone be dumb enough to do that when the Warriors play NOTHING like the Heat ??
That's fucking retarded RR.
They can't play like the Heat because they get fucked up in rotations and switches due to their lack of size.. However they do have foot speed and are able to disrupt the passing lanes as well as keep up with the defenders.. But like the Jordan Bulls vs Utah faster athletic teams will always be the Achilles heel for pick and roll teams.
two words: Greg Popovich. period.
it's not going to be Tony Parker vs Cole. it's going to be Tony Parker vs Bosh or whoever is playing Tim Duncan. the pick & roll will turn into the pick & pop or pick, penetrate, & kick to an open 3-pt shooter. and then the pick & roll will turn into the give & go. defensive discipline is must vs the spurs.
iow, pop will adjust his offense to how Miami moves against his base offense & the spurs have the guns to shoot with Miami. plus a week off will help Tim Duncan big time.
Tony Parker didn't carve up Conley. the match up problems caused Zack Randolph to be matched up against Parker in pick & roll sets...and that's why Tony Parker went off.
did anyone really expect zbo to stay with Tony fucking Parker? ! hollins should have IMMEDIATELY sent help defense towards Parker, but he didn't. zbo was spinning line a top looking for Parker.
and the result was layup drill...
bingo! multiple screens from multiple sets from multiple angles to create match up problems...with Tim Duncan or a 3 pt shooter waiting in the cut.
man, I hate the spurs but that shit is hard to stop.
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Most of the time when the Heat get up to the 110 level they pull their starters out and call it a day, and they do this way more than most teams..How in the fuck are they conservative if they are FOURTEEN POINTS higher than what the Heat averaged against the Spurs during the regular season. Are you fucking serious??
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